Can we get some success stories from people who shouldn't be successful with women by conventional standards?

1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v · 2017-02-20T18:23:08+00:00

First, I love this Video from Simple Pickup talking about the people who won't try and blame everyone for there failures:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLtFvC0yAsw Simple Pickup Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

Second to answer the OP, Kong and Jessie (from Simple Pickup) are not attractive, were not rich, not tall, and rumor has it that Kong has a small penis. Both of these guys have videos of their successes, despite the noted issues. Its because of their CONFIDENCE.

Now, here is what Jessie used to look like: https://youtu.be/2iGk87bug2s?t=20s

As you can see, he was not good looking, and in fact, can't even smile. But he changed.

Here is a video of someone doing pickup in a Fat Suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNyRHHLHlsU

Here is another of one of them in a Wheel Chair: https://youtu.be/64Ixzp94ksw?t=36s

Its all about CONFIDENCE.

I also knew a vet that had 1/2 his face burned during his tour. Yet, he is the most charismatic guy I know. He reminds me of the vet guy in the wheel chair in the Forest Gump movie. He just grew his hair long to cover that side of his face, and has no issues talking to girls (I assume hooking up with them too, from what I could see).

SunTzuArtofWar · 2017-02-20T17:54:32+00:00

I know an Asian guy, at 5'4". He's the greatest player on earth, he's been with over 100 girls, and women worship him.

He actually started his own site, a total legend.

He was also a total beta male in his youth, his father was a submissive beta male. When he started pick up he creep out hundreds of girls, and got like zero numbers. So he's definitely not a natural playboy.

chuckmeaway01 · 2017-02-20T17:35:36+00:00

I've not 'succeeded' but I'm not a virgin, so I guess you could call it 'success'! lol. But I tend to only get laid once every year or two and I approach quite a lot of girls. I also only go for pretty girls. I'm not interested in simply trying to get a high 'notch count' full of old, ugly, fat girls etc.

I'm short and my face isn't very good looking (big nose, crap hairline etc)

But to be honest, I can sympathize with them. In most 'successful' FR's, there's often a line like ''To be honest, I am a very handsome guy and girls have told me i'm hot before'' etc. Lots of people are legit ugly and have never had a girl tell them they are handsome or whatever. And i'm not talking about 'tyler durden ugly'. He's actually fairly decent looking in my eyes! Sure, he's balding and ginger, but other than that, he has a nice face. He is average looking. It's the ugly people with fucked up bones that struggle to be honest. Looks matter a hell of a lot, but it's no excuse to give up, really. Just means you gotta play the numbers game to the EXTREME!

Ninenine222 · 2017-02-20T23:06:03+00:00

Funny you should ask this. I'm 5'3" and have had pretty good success overall. I used to be a total introvert, but learned through youtube and research and -- above all -- just going out and doing it.

I actually filmed my first video today where I went out and talked to girls on the street. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't fantstic. Everyone starts somewhere, right?

I'll edit it and upload it here if people seem interested.

HaikusfromBuddha · 2017-02-21T00:04:22+00:00

This is a success story that I saw from my eyes. It was in middle school. Don't stop reading now, trust me, it's eye opening especially since kids tend to be the most judgmental.

There was this guy who's name is W. W had the unfortunate fate of being scared at a young age. Half of his face had a crescent burn/slash. It wasn't exactly appealing nor was it an instant turn off but where it any other person it would have destroyed their confidence. W was the opposite of unconfident. The dude was funny, talkative, and overall a good guy. He dressed in early 2000's emo attire. Not black lipstick or mohawks, just wore black and had that bowl cut. You know. Had a slipknow shirt on. All that being said, he could attract any person even if you were on the opposite spectrum. If he saw you were struggling he would instantly help you and go out of his way to make you shine. People loved the guy. Not only that but his confidence literally attracted all the girls. It was jaw dropping really but even I wanted to be his friend.

The best scenario to explain his popularity was that one time a jock who was grouped with all of his friends made fun of his scar as he walked by. W shit talked him back and instantly they were in a fight. At the end when both parties were separated the Jock found himself alone recomposing himself while the entirety of the PE class's were following W around in support. Let me just say this was in South LA. This wasn't a white people school were everyone is friendly and just helps each other out. This was a gang infested school early 2000's. To see everyone support this minority, emo looking guy is a big deal. Am a minority and I thought it was a big deal.

Last time I saw him he had a hot girlfriend and before that all the bad girls in the school flirted with him. I can't express how much confidence can influence the people you are with. And not just egotistical confidence, I mean sincere confidence with an attitude that wants to make everyone a better person everytime you leave them.

Tylerjjs · 2017-02-20T18:51:03+00:00

I'm really skinny. My current girlfriend definitely weighs more than me by 10 pounds or so. She is head over heels for me. Self confidence is really the key, when I stopped letting my insecurities fill my mind with useless thoughts girls came naturally.

purplestuff11 · 2017-02-21T06:31:24+00:00

I'm 5'4", chubby, ugly, and haven't aged a day since 14. I was suicidal and of course incredibly depressed. Like not even able to recall a happy memory. Never getting compliments even from my own family. Needless to say girls had negative interest in me. My only hobbies were video games and TV. But I had this high-school friend who was good looking and nice enough to tolerate my presence. I asked her what was wrong with me. What followed was the most real and horrific roast the world has seen. But I learned that most of what was wrong was stuff I could change. I stopped having my mom dress me. Then came actually speaking instead of writing notes. Then came finding hobbies I could do with others. Started with social video games then hanging out with people I had things in common with. I started working out. I didn't care about being thin but I grew my arms enough that I was confident that I was as strong as I looked. I got proper haircuts for my fat face and for the first time smiled when I looked in the mirror. But I still lacked that key cornerstone. Confidence or in my case not giving a shit what people thought of me. In my head I said fuck y'all if you don't like me I don't care and my insecurities seemed to vanish. That made people like me more. That fed my ego and gave rise to real confidence. Eventually that was enough for me to start asking people to do stuff. I found my old friend again and asked her again what was wrong with me. She had to think for a while before answering. She told me I was actually alright and apparently her type. She was with someone but I met her boyfriend and it was scary how much we had in common. So I asked what's the difference between us that made her like him more. He asked her out and had a little bit more in common with her. I thought then well shit if that's all it takes then it's my dumbass' fault. I asked out a girl. Rejected. Bothered me for a week then I got over it. Tried again. Success. I went on dates and realized I didn't like her that much. I was doing the rejection. That made me realize how much power I had. I became a bit too powerful. Heartbreaker. Fight starter. Learned to respect people as well after too many bad days. Became a man I was proud of. Still, could be less fat, could be taller, could be a pretty boy. But if you're confident, respectful, decent and most importantly social, you don't need to be those things. If you don't make a big deal about your insecurities then no one else will. I still see that friend almost weekly and she's damn proud of the man she helped make me. Wish I could pay her back but I do my best by being a good friend. We both help our friends who have relationship issues and try to help those who are blinded by a belief in scarcity into toxic relationships. Really the best advice I could give is to ask people out. You doing it gives the illusion of confidence and if they say yes that breeds actual confidence. You skip my years of bs. Think of it this way. Imagine if you walked into a car dealership and could ask if you could have a car for free and there was a chance they'd say yes. Like a 5% chance. Now imagine you could ask again and again for each individual car. Why the hell wouldn't you try? Sure you might end up with one that breaks down instantly but guess what there's thousands more out there. Whatever gender you're into they're not rare. Don't believe the movie/media crap getting asked out is a compliment. If they take it like an insult they did you a favor outing themselves as shitty. So are you gonna be like my garbage ugly dumbass or are you gonna be like my confident successful ugly dumbass who has girls and can pick favorites as candidates for a relationship? If you aren't a dumbass then guess what you already have a lead on me. I was a basket case so you have no excuse. That goes for you girls too. Never settle. You'll only hurt yourself and eventually who you're with. Have fun with people you like until you find someone you love enough to forget about the rest. Do it for your sake.

Sorry about the long speech I figured someone would want the long version. Good luck out there. Hope you're doing better than I was. Also I do not condone staying fat. I just don't condone using it as an excuse. Work out more trust me it's like a happiness/confidence generator somehow. I'll shut up now.

G_Refined · 2017-02-20T18:44:25+00:00

Well not one of those guys, but I think the main thing these guys should know and a lot of new guys should realize is that "seduction" or "game" isn't a quick fix. I see a lot of new guys looking for lines or routines that they think they can use to magically get a girl to like them and that's just not the case. The short, fat, ugly guys I know that consistently get girls are guys that are actually fun and have a great personality, which is something you most certainly can change and improve, it just takes a lot more than trying a certain routine or memorizing lines.

GrillPenetrationUnit · 2017-02-20T21:05:37+00:00

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stuckit · 2017-02-20T23:09:41+00:00

I had a room mate literally named Chad, who was tall and blond and naturally built like a damned male model. So Ive seen what EZ mode looks like. And damn he had it easy.

And then there was the guy I called "the master and I his humble student". 20 years ago I worked with a guy named Dan.

Dan was 5'7-5'9. Early 30s. Wore khakis and a polo shirt and white sneakers regularly. Slightly thinning hair in the most insurance sales guy look ever. Had glasses. Boston area accent. Dad bod.

He was known as a smart, funny guy at work, but no one took him seriously.

Well Dan was also my dive buddy, so I knew him outside of work. Never changed his demeanor. Easy going, confident. He could pick up girls faster than anyone Ive ever seen. And they were dying to be with him. As in inviting him home in under 5 minutes. As in going out of their way to see him in foreign countries, which a cruise ship activities director did for him in Cancun. The most natural of naturals.

rappingwhiteguys · 2017-02-21T01:11:16+00:00

Four examples: I know a guy with a very noticeable skin condition that absolutely slays because he's the shit. He's sleeping with multiple people at my house. He's like the friendliest and most passionate guy - he is also really tall tho.

My older brother is 5"4 and has slept with hundreds of girls - I've never seen him without a girlfriend for more than a few weeks. He's very intense and kinky and also is pretty good looking. I look really similar to him so can't blame my lack of success my height - which I used to be really insecure about.

I knew this guy who was like 350 lbs and just constantly pulled because he was so friendly.

Lastly, one of my friends is not attractive - he's short, his teeth are crooked, and I don't want to go on with this description because he's my friend and I really like the guy. He's slept with 3 girls I know personally and is kind of a charming sleezybag - he travels a lot and is usually able to meet a girl when he's staying somewhere for a few days.

ImJustSo · 2017-02-21T02:42:09+00:00

I was a fat fuck, but I never did bad with women. I got into a relationship that's been going strong for 13 years and even during this relationship I've gotten in shape (lost 120lbs, look stylish, etc) and I still talk to girls regularly. I will talk to girls, be funny as fuck, have them become interested in me, break it to them that I've got a fiancee and THEY'RE STILL INTERESTED. Yea, I pick up girls while in a serious relationship, and everyone is still fuckin fine with it.

Look though, I'm called handsome now that I'm not a fat fuck, but I've always been confident. Maybe not about my looks, but I always knew I was funny and gave no fucks about judgemental people. The only people I care about are legitimately good people to me, and they wouldn't judge me for being fat or having an awkward lifestyle. So I go out into the world looking for those people and not giving a shit about anyone else. It makes me come across as a mother fuckin (super nice) boss.

Confidence mother fuckers, do you have it? If not, quit giving a fuck about shitty people's thoughts. Good people don't judge you on stupid meaningless shit and the majority of people are fucking worthless. Keep that in mind until they prove otherwise, but never, ever, ever let it dictate who you are. You should always act like you because you think it's right.

Unless you're a shitty piece of shit that hates on everyone, fuck you. Get some chill and don't judge others, but treat yourself that same way. Quit judging yourself.

anon1moos · 2017-02-20T21:21:36+00:00

For Blueprint Tyler is >200 lbs, has dyed blonde hair down to his shoulders. But his hair was already starting to go so it looked like he was rocking a skullet. If you google it he'll be wearing like a brown suit or something, and looks not so bad, but one of the days he was rocking a white T and looked absolutely terrible.

If Todd has a nice face then I have a nice face, but I don't.

In 2017 the phrase should be "looks don't matter*" meaning, they do, but other than being fat or in shape you can't fix it much. So fix what you can.

I brought up mystery specifically because some guys in this thread were dropping the "too skinny" line. Yes, he gets mad points for being tall, but that's about it,

TheBurdTurgler · 2017-02-21T01:04:17+00:00

It may not be exactly what you are looking for OP, but up until a little under three weeks ago, I was absolutely convinced that I was too ugly to date. I have a few years worth of posts on this Reddit account that detail this struggle. It was actually body dysmorphia, which should have been obvious to me when I posted on /r/amiugly and got very positive reactions, but I still saw people giving me disgusted looks in real life, so I figured it was just pity from them.

That was until three weeks ago when I went to a concert and decided to roll on MDMA for it. I proceeded to chat up multiple attractive women without the reactions I expected, in fact getting interest from them, even going home with the last one I met. I also expected her to freak out when seeing me the next morning, but instead we just cuddled and got to know one another better.

Since that eye-opening revelation, I've seen that girl two additional times, got another number from an older blonde woman later that week (didn't work out but still), and the following week I had a girl who is stunningly pretty openly flirt with me (first time I've been flirted with in my life) with her friend actively playing winggirl for her, building her up to me while keeping in check this other guy at the bar who was trying just way too hard.

A lot of it may have been in my head, but to me there is still part of me that shouldn't be "successful". I mean I know I am not successful compared to the vast majority of guys here, but going from 8 years with nothing to show for it to having multiple dates in a week seems like success to me.

clutchutch · 2017-02-21T06:32:54+00:00

Never posted on here before but after seeing the post I figured I'd share my success. A little background about myself, I'm black (only posting to show minority success) and only around 5'9", although I have a pretty athletic build. I didn't get my first kiss until high school and spent a solid portion of middle school being bullied for a multitude of reasons. I got sick of it eventually and starting a dedicated lifting regimen before high school. I went into high school pretty fit and toned, but the results weren't there because I didn't have the mental game down. I kept working on it and putting myself out there, in uncomfortable situations, more and more, but it still took a while for anything substantive to happen. Eventually it came to a head when my girlfriend and I broke up junior year of high school after about 4 months. Even though we had been together for a little while we had done nothing more than kiss because I was too much of a pussy to escalate properly. I told myself I'd change after this and spent the next couple of months lifting again and working on myself. Eventually I ended up losing a virginity a couple months after that, on a fluke incident honestly, and it's only been uphill from there. I'm in my sophomore year of college right now at a prestigious university and my body count is just below 20. I've had a considerable amount of success with women of all races, and have found that if you go in with the mindset that she doesn't like you because you're a certain race, you're almost certainly going to fail. Anyway I thought I'd share my story just to show some of the readers that it does indeed get better, although it simply takes time. In middle school I used to reject offers to hangout with people because of how introverted and self conscious I was, and this past week I had sex with two beautiful girls, in the same night, back to back. I say this not as much to brag as I do as an example that anyone can improve, it just takes time and dedication. Good luck to you all.

ForeignInUsA · 2017-02-21T07:34:17+00:00

Was considered one of the ugliest kids in my high school and had never been with a girl. Up until 3months ago, I realized women find me attractive. Yes I am tall and good looking but it is a lot about how we perceive ourselves. I also started to take care of my fashion, hair, body and skin a while ago. Mark Manson had said that men are lucky because by changing their haircut, body and attire can go to being pretty attractive, whereas women are mostly stuck. I've also met lots of guys blowing out of proportion their so called "unattractiveness", we sometimes hold on to traits of our face that don't stand out to other people as much. Also know that pretty girls are just as insecure as we are in ourselves.

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BobBobCan · 2017-02-21T15:47:11+00:00

I have made my introverted and withdrawing personality work in my favor very successfully. I used to believe that it is necessary to impose yourself aggressively, be overt and overwhelming. And for some it certainly work. But then I used to be far too appeasing and kind, a gentlemen with too much gentleness. Aggressiveness come off awkward, yet comfortable chit-chat gets you nowhere. Over the years I´ve learned to use my introversion to evoke a certain anxiety, that tension and uncertainty that makes others slightly at unease. Couple that with my fondness for deliberate vague and seemingly contradicting comments and.. it works.

reallyloveyoupriya · 2017-02-21T18:15:30+00:00

You could consider me handicap by that metric then. 6’2, Indian, and get told I look like Riz Ahmed a lot. Even though people consider Riz Ahmed handsome, he is still brown which in this day and age is supposed to be a setback.

My luck really changed ever since I moved to Colorado, I mean really changed.

Been approached at bars, had girls wanting to take selfies with me a good amount, easy time hooking up, 100+ Tinder matches in under a week when I was on there, and yes I get laid. Lay count has not been in the double digits because I am picky, I want a girl with a pretty face and nice body. The girls I have been with are girls who get an abnormal amount of attention from guys in general.

If I didn’t have really high standards, I would have easily been with over 15+ girls. I’ve had moments where girls followed me back home and were pushy about sex, one even followed me to my apartment as I was walking home from a bar.

Currently dating a beautiful Indian girl from Canada who hates my past, mainly because my tall blonde ex is trying to get me to sleep with her again and told my current girlfriend about the stuff we used to do together. A lot of days, I wish I didn’t get the attention because my life has been filled with drama because of it.

Murfdigidy · 2017-02-21T18:36:47+00:00

Okay how bout this for debunking all myths about looks.... I'm 6'3 tall, white, good looking guy, friendly, funny, skinny, dressed marginally well. So you're thinking Oh wow you MUST have always done great with women WRONG!!!!!!!

I was a Virgin loser thru both high-school AND college! That's right and COLLEGE! No real girlfriends, no LTRs, no friends with benefits. nothing and I was friends will lots of people!

So these guys that ask the same questions about game, oh what if I'm short, fat, ugly, whatever I give them the same answer....the #1 aphrodisiac for all women is CONFIDENCE! not height, not looks, not cars, not money. To say those things don't help would be a lie but to say they significantly matter to women would be false.

Girls want a man, a man who is sure of himself, a stud confident dude who OWNS his look, who OWNS his swagger, a guy who doesn't give one fuck hes 5'5, oh I'm short but you should see me in bed I'm like 50 shades of Grey sexy, Yea I'm a freak ;-)

Take it from someone who aesthetically has all the right physical qualities... Looks mean far less than confidence. Own your shit

PS. Now I'm a stud

mapleridge_ · 2017-02-21T03:17:26+00:00

Okay this is a must watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6CKQKaSuGo

Aeon199 · 2017-02-21T05:29:03+00:00

I've been asking for this for an entire year!

Was I part of your inspiration for making the thread? ;-)

Hopefully I can find some stories that qualify and do indeed inspire folks like me. My "disability" is social and I also have the attention-span of a goldfish. I've been affected by this my whole life, to some degree, but it hits you like a truck on an icy road, once you hit adulthood. And it makes you a very miserable bastard who has to accept he's got almost no chance with women.

Overnight_Delivery · 2017-02-21T16:43:49+00:00

So you're asking if someone disadvantaged had success without putting in a ton of effort to overcome it? The better chances are they need to find a girl with similar disadvantages.

savior100 · 2017-02-20T19:55:05+00:00

Idk if you count black dudes as minorities but from what I've seen black dudes slay pussy like crazy. I'm in college and all the guys with the highest quality and quantity notch count are all black guys, from what I've seen.

ThatBoyAgain · 2017-02-20T17:38:07+00:00

Yeah let's get all the great people who may be self conscious and may have low confidence of silly things about them they uselessly worry about to dwell on the fact it isn't deemed normal for them to not sleep with any 'league' of girl.

Not the best idea IMO but I see where you're coming from OP

Title	Can we get some success stories from people who shouldn't be successful with women by conventional standards?
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