Turns Out, Blue Pill Bros are the Real Red Pill Salesmen!

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thedarkracer · 2024-04-16T15:49:53+00:00

This wasn't on a blue pill sub but on offmychest or something. The thing is she pointed out one thing which can be worked on so he should have communicated or rather she should have also. Clearly it wasn't bothering her but it was bothering him. Instead of using an instrument called language they decided to babble like kids behind each others backs.

dinnerwithjay-z · 2024-04-16T14:37:18+00:00

Yes. I have a husband I love more than anything. Hes a wonderful man and he’s good in bed. But he doesn’t bring out the wild child in me. And the best I ever had was the dude right before him. But, I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Sex with him means so much more. It doesn’t need anything ‘exciting’ to be fulfilling. It is all on its own. The guys I was with before lacked the depth. And so I needed something else (more risk or more kink).

Saw this gem yesterday in a thread about a husband concerned that his wife was settling for him. Could you imagine reading this as the husband?

izoldetales · 2024-04-16T14:38:06+00:00

At this point, some men are intentionally blinding themselves to some obvious behaviours from women . But first of all , after all the hate towards men for " locker rooms talk " why women are more open to share their sexual experiences with their friends?

Now to the point , yea people act like they are clueless but most people know . Do you really think the blue pill ideology would work on women? Do you really think modern women would accept someone saying " just cook and if you love him you wouldn't expect nothing from him " or " the relationship is about women doing and men just accepting " ?

Like seriously , most of us look at modern men who kiss women's @ss and feel disgusted cause women are litterally trashing on them all the time but they are not reacting. Successful men don't associate with average men and it's obvious why .

marmotjacket · 2024-04-16T15:01:45+00:00

Half the time when the sex is bad it’s partly or wholly the woman’s fault

A lot of women do not provide any guidance or feedback about what works for them and want the guy to just know

I guess women think all women are the same here while also being special snowflakes

When I’ve brought this up here under a different account, the women basically either say “no, women do tell the guy if the guy wants to know” (which is BS based upon just themselves as representing all women and also how would they know how women actually behave in the sack?) OR they say you should always be able to tell based upon nonverbal cues.

Listen ladies, this is not gonna work if you always figure out why you are right while denying the male experience and using BS logic.

berichorbeburied · 2024-04-16T14:45:09+00:00

I don’t really know the difference between blue pill and red pill

Except blue pill supposed to me female oriented. And red pill supposedly is male oriented.

But imo. I don’t think true masculinity is actually being presented or conceptualized.

As is evident when you bring up effort/competition/having to live up to almost impossible standards.

I honestly don’t think many men really want to lean into that framework. So that’s why it’s true masculinity has never really been conceptualized or expounded upon.

I feel like red pill is more of a response to blue pill. And in that way it’s more counteracting then being it’s own thing.

As in that if hypothetically one set of water is cold. And because I have to interact with that water. Even if I add hot water to it. The water will end up warm. Because of the constant interaction between hot and cold water.

Novel-Squash-9284 · 2024-04-16T15:59:07+00:00

Too many women get caught up in their romantic narratives and don't realize some of them are horror stories from the male perspective.

The "I fooled around with all these guys, but they didn't treat me quite right until I found you, so I'm going with you", is not the great story you think it is. Please keep it to yourself.

Every boyfriend you've dated didn't tell you even 5% of the outrageous shit he has beaten off to that he didn't even ask you to do, let alone got you to do. You're better off not knowing cause aside from being grossed out by it- you won't enjoy knowing for a fact that you never have and never will completely satisfy his most base desires.

Unless you're still an absolute freak, then you're the one and only.

Crimson-Pilled · 2024-04-16T14:44:44+00:00

The Blue Pill doesn't actually disagree with the Red Pill. They just think gynocentrism is a good thing. When Red Pillers say, and largely prove, it is a bad thing, they feel personally attacked, so they DARVO to avoid responsibility.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-04-16T14:33:46+00:00

“complete package” - i.e., a beta male provider from whom she could extract resources/use to obtain a degree of financial security; he was only ever a means to an end, and the mediocre sex was the price she was willing to pay.

Had they actually married, she’d have eventually cheated on him, and during the acrimonious divorce, she’d have rubbed his lack of prowess in his face, laughing as she relieved him of his home, half his assets and a sizeable chunk of his salary for the remainder of his natural life.

WesleyFRM · 2024-04-16T14:32:33+00:00

What ive noticed is that they will disagree with the pilled stuff the way it is said outright but if you ask a question a certain way they will prove it to be true. So which is it?

CliffPR · 2024-04-16T14:19:09+00:00

I especially love the implication that she's eventually going to work her way up to mind blowing sex with "total package" guy instead of, you know, starfishing and eventually DBRing him.

edgyny · 2024-04-16T14:38:42+00:00

My main thought is always that Morin's "The Erotic Mind" needs to be mandatory reading. He collected anonymous reports of men's and women's "peak sexual experiences" and analysed them (and came to a conclusion about a pattern). They are very interesting but the most important aspect is that it's not ever really about how hot the other person is. Attraction is very important but it's more of a precondition. What brings things to "best ever" class is a barrier of some sort that allows the attraction to build tension and suddenly the barrier is removed and things snapped.

I read that advice post you are discussing and I saw that comment you excerpted also. It's pretty much a nothing burger, truly. To me the saddest aspect was the guy's finality and fatalism about this. Does anyone want their best sex to have been in the past? He didn't even explore what it was that made the precedent so great for his fiancee.

Anyway my own opinion is that someone who is getting married should be working towards "best sex" as a future goal and a bar that keeps rising. Yes, there's a skill aspect involved but there's so much more to sex than just flesh. Anyway, he apparently had a great woman who was attracted and inspired to fuck. He was perfectly satisfied with as a partner. The journey is more important than whatever history. I never saw anything in the post that suggested the fiancee was dissatisfied or resigned about living her life in the shadows, longing for lost cock. My final verdict is he was dumb with a weak ego, seeking external validation and overreacted.

grillopie · 2024-04-16T14:50:52+00:00

That comment was written by a guy?

Anyway, its not CLEARLY a case of AFBB. It doesnt even make sense. What is AFBB even? Someone who is good at sex is the AF? I thought it had to do with being tall or some shit? The boyfriend could be the A. Just happens to not be as good in bed.

The main issue with the original guy imo is he is so nosy with his fiancees friends, like hes trying his best to dig something up. He unsurprisingly does, and its not that bad considering how hard he looked. If he wants to end the engagement after being a little PI and finding an errant comment like this, i dont think this was going to be much of a marriage. Hes basically looking for an excuse to leave.

Solondthewookiee · 2024-04-16T15:14:20+00:00

Are we discussing this thread again?

Dude nuked his entire life (broke up with her, cut off his friend, and moved to a new city( because he wasn't the best fuck she's ever had. And y'all want to act like that's totally normal.

This is clearly a case of AFBB.

Lol no. This is clearly a case of massive insecurity and immaturity. He had the opportunity to talk to his partner, to discuss that he was hurt by what she said, and to reach an understanding about how things could improve. Instead he lied to her by saying he could handle it if she just told the truth, and then dumped her when she did.

And you're wondering why she was hesitant to tell him?

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-04-16T14:37:06+00:00

Come on. That guy already knew they sex wasn't great, that's why he was prying and picking that scab.

Thing is... not every man is sexy and most religious and conservative men are inhibited and uncomfortable-to-awkward with female sexuality.

What can they expect, really? They can't compete with uninhibited men who enjoy sex and are comfortable and excited about their partners' pleasure.

The obvious solution is for men to seek and date the women who are on the same page sexually, not attempt to lock down the most attractive woman who enjoys sex.

obviousredflag · 2024-04-16T15:29:42+00:00

Nope, you just read something into it that you want to believe that is not in there. Easy to prove your worldview when you imagine the evidence into existence.

berichorbeburied · 2024-04-16T14:44:52+00:00

I mean if I take your main point aside.

That’s my main problem. Women and effeminate men. “Lie” or as you say. Sugarcoat the truth to the point that if you take their words at face value. Without adding salt. And without looking skeptical at it and metaphorically seeing the bigger picture and totally invalidating their first statement. You will be completely feel you are being lied to.

For instance

Looks doesn’t matter

Looks are only one of the things that are strongly considered in attraction from the female perspective

I don’t look for a man with money

He doesn’t need to be rich. But he does need to be financially stable. And willing to help out. And should not expect me to help him out financially in anyway

Personality is more important than looks

I value a man who will put the effort into me that I feel I deserve. That can also make me laugh and feel good. And be able to understand me. That I know actually cares about me more than sex. But also really likes who I am. Ect ect

It’s like atp you can’t listen to what people say. Just watch what they do. And learn from that.

Or

Learn through trial and error

Or

Come up with your own theories and philosophies and test them out irl

Because what you brought up. Is exactly what stunted my growth. Listening and believing what people were telling me. When in retrospect it was obvious lies

But I’m still obviously into understanding. It’s just frustrating when the lies are the only thing that’s transparent and the truth is hidden.

That’s the only thing I want to comment on your post.

ATasteofTx214 · 2024-04-16T14:54:24+00:00

So men typically propose to the woman with the best sex he's ever had and don't consider any other factors? I'm truely confused y this is controversial?

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MongoBobalossus · 2024-04-16T14:55:26+00:00

This sounds like a communication problem being shoehorned into some imaginary online “battle” between different pill factions.

Safinated · 2024-04-16T15:51:13+00:00

Yes, we know the red pill is a reactionary philosophy/movement

John_Oakman · 2024-04-16T16:14:58+00:00

Those who pursuit moralism (and other immaterial goods) cannot comprehend the mentality of their more materialistic peers. The reverse is also true.

AngeCruelle · 2024-04-16T14:28:36+00:00

Ask them about AFBB, you would be a sexist asshole. Say "As women age, they become more mature and personality matters more than looks", and they will agree.

AFBB seeks to describe female nature specifically, the idea of relationship priorities changing with age is not treated as exclusive to either gender. That is why the latter assertion is not considered sexist.

Plenty of men who dated/proposed/crushed on my attractive BPD sister are married to stable, average women now. In one case the wife is well aware that she was his second choice and he never made any effort whatsoever to hide that. She seems happy though.

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2024-04-16T14:09:16+00:00

What?

John-Nada_ · 2024-04-16T14:33:32+00:00

Blue Pill is the Real Pill fellas

Title	Turns Out, Blue Pill Bros are the Real Red Pill Salesmen!
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Date	April 16, 2024 1:51 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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