For better or worse!?

alotofironsinthefire · 2024-04-28T02:19:15+00:00

Whole lot of spouses "accidentally" dieing

mrs_seng · 2024-04-28T01:13:32+00:00

Personally, it wouldn't impact me at all.

You would see protests, men having vasectomies, women having tubes tied and less marriages. Women would start getting illegal abortions, some of them would die.

Something-bothersome · 2024-04-28T01:49:32+00:00

A lot of those things would happen anyway but it wouldn’t be pretty.

Abortion, that’s obvious, we have already been there and know the outcome.

No fault divorce. You can introduce this, what you can’t fix is people leaving or staying but just not acting “married”. Marriage has both conceptual and legal element. You can be legally married and not see your spouse for 50 years. I think that would become much more common as would other interesting combinations of various arrangements.

Child support and alimony? That one would be interesting. Some people would pay anyway because they don’t want to see their kids fail - food, housing, education, all those are key to outcomes. People may not want to be married, but they don’t want their offspring to utterly fail. The guidelines would be shot though.

I think child abandonment would increase, child poverty spike, back yard deals struck, and dubious behaviours increase. People would revert to being way more dependent on their family of origin and it will be “dealt with” in whatever form the family can manage. People without money develop other ways to deal with things and it’s not always pretty.

It’s not the “good old days” any longer. Women in education and employment is well and truly established. People gravitate to stability, I believe it would be turbo fuelled for those that have access. The gap between the classes would grow enormously.

The community is diverse therefore the response would be diverse. It would depend entirely on what options are available to you and those that you can wrangle. If your family needs money to eat, your 12 year son leaves school and picks up boxes for a living. It’s better than starving.

Mental_Leek_2806 · 2024-04-28T02:38:28+00:00

More illegal abortions, less voluntary children, less marriages, more IUD placements, vibrator sales increase

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-04-28T02:35:30+00:00

Marriage rates would collapse. Children living in poverty would rise. Women would treat out of wedlock pregnancy as a severe life failure mode, and avoid premarital sex. “Fun” dating and sex would disappear.

EulenWatcher · 2024-04-28T02:31:34+00:00

A sudden drop of marriage rates.
A heavy drop of birth rates.
Even married couples would have less kids.
Increased rates of vasectomies and surgical sterilization.
Higher abuse rates and higher rates of murder in abusive couples.
A bit higher mortality among married people overall.
Heavy decrease in amount of casual sex.
More married couples who live separately.
Higher mortality among pregnant women -> higher women's mortality overall.
More kids born to unfit parents, which can theoretically lead to higher crime rates and social unrest.
Some increase of infanticide, more orphans around.

Overall I fail to see any positive changes in this scenario. My husband and I want to have maybe 2 kids, but if these laws passed, I guess we'd have one kid and maybe I wouldn't want to have any kids at all.

MyLastBestChance · 2024-04-28T01:11:48+00:00

Marriage and birth rates fall through the floor. Sexlessness rises precipitously. Taxes go up precipitously to support children born to abandoned mothers.

Men get confused and don’t understand where it all went wrong when they can’t get casual sex OR relationships / marriage and women just choose not to engage at all.

Sillysheila · 2024-04-28T10:34:41+00:00

People would still get abortions. Before abortion was legal people got back alley abortions and doctors secretly gave people abortions.

If there was no alimony or no fault divorce, either people would stop getting married or people would do that old BS thing where they had been “separated” from their husband/wife for 20 years but functionally act divorced.

You can order that there’s strict rules on who gets divorced. You can’t make people live like they’re married though. There would be a bunch of married people with boyfriends and girlfriends living separately from their “husband” or “wife”. That crap used to happen all the time before it was easier to divorce. I honestly fail to see how that’s different or better.

If child support didn’t exist I think a lot of people who want kids wouldn’t get married because there’s less financial incentive to do so in that situation. It’s more ideal to have children in marriages statistically but we just have to throw the babies out with bath water. Also a lot of kids would starve.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-04-28T01:42:07+00:00

women would close up shop and stop dealing with men sexually or lovingly. the fact that anyone thinks you could do this without some massive ubiquitous religious revival bought into and enforced by women os ludicrous

gloomette · 2024-04-28T02:54:45+00:00

I would get my tubes tied and stay celibate for the rest of my life.

RubyDiscus · 2024-04-28T08:44:13+00:00

abortion, child support, no-fault divorce & alimony were all outlawed & disappeared overnight; never to return again -

Uh awful. Literally baby abandonment like they have in other countries, where babies are just let in trash cans and in forests. Women dying from unsafe abortions and not being able to get medical help. Whole wards opening again in hospital for "septic pregnancies" from unsafe abortions. Women being stuck with abusive men/husbands. People stuck in miserable marriages. Single parents in poverty.

thedarkracer · 2024-04-28T03:54:27+00:00

We would be set back 100 yrs

literaryhogwartian · 2024-04-28T12:57:36+00:00

Backalley abortions would return. Marriage rates would fall. Unhappiness would rise

HappyCat79 · 2024-04-28T21:37:40+00:00

I think more young women would leave the country. I think more young people would choose to get sterilized rather than risk pregnancy and would refuse to ever get married.

I know that’s what I would advise my daughters to do. Either get out, get sterilized, never get married, or be a lesbian.

Ayaka_Simp_ · 2024-04-28T02:43:15+00:00

The number of single, sexless, and depressed men skyrocket. Men unalive themselves in record numbers.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-04-28T02:59:55+00:00

Women would deal with men wayyy less which can lead to unhappiness and men maybe become more depressed and maybe violent.

superlurkage · 2024-04-28T15:09:08+00:00

Oh, I’d move somewhere else. Canada, Asia, Europe

And so would most businesses. You can’t have a competitive modern society without them

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learn2earn89 · 2024-04-28T02:43:11+00:00

Nothing would change for me at least, I don’t deal with men romantically.

rma5690 · 2024-04-28T16:42:21+00:00

Women would capitulate, as they always have. Then they would tell themselves that this is what they always wanted. No different from today.

spaffjizz · 2024-04-28T18:45:32+00:00

Women and men would simply emigrate like they already do from religious countries.

operation-spot · 2024-04-29T01:47:34+00:00

I’d get a hysterectomy and start sleeping around. I’m not going to chance having children if abortion is outlawed and I’m not going to enter a relationship if I’m not able to leave it.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2024-05-01T00:48:02+00:00

I already lived in a no divorce, abortion is illegal country

The answer is more poor children, more women dying, more coat hanger abortions and more poverty

But that's okay, wahmen die and suffer is good for accountability so men can get their rage boners.

Oh and generally countries like this also have crap all contraception because religion. So more poverty, more teen pregnancy, and more lives ruined.

But those lives are overwhelmingly female or children and therefore okay to suffer according to men on this sub

PyropeKun · 2024-05-02T01:17:18+00:00

Shit would get cartoonishly evil and goofy real quick. Imagine bros face when a woman would rather commit spekku then be forced to be with them. Truly an incel classic.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-04-28T01:44:13+00:00

My life wouldn’t change. Society wouldn’t change overnight and I’m not convinced that rates of single motherhood would decline.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-04-28T02:56:11+00:00

Women would deal with men much less. Men will continue their lives.

Fantastic_Welder_348 · 2024-04-28T02:06:01+00:00

I’d say like 60% of women would immediately stop talking to the man they’re pursuing

70% of women filling out the paperwork to leave would immediately flip as well

CatholicChanner · 2024-04-28T01:51:33+00:00

A lot of women here will argue that society would simply completely collapse due to a complete destruction of birth rates, but that was not the case when none of the above existed, and is still not the case in countries where none of the above are really a thing. If you removed all welfare that would subsidize single mothers in addition to the above you would see people going back to more traditional society where people tended to marry off younger/sex was discouraged because it would then be on to the family of the woman to handle any potential children unless they could collar the man somehow and force him to take responsibility, along with a higher rate of women in poverty and a higher rate of either formal or informal prostitution. The high n-count women would be playing a very risky game in such a society, but so would the high n-count men because the male family members of the women don't want to get shafted paying their own version of child support for life to let Chad play around and then dodge responsibility if at all possible.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-04-28T00:58:39+00:00

I would take the week off to drink and smoke while laughing my ass off the total meltdown that would happen.

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-04-28T01:25:46+00:00

I’d get divorced. Just kidding.

How would society immediately change

Men with options, would have even more options. Men without? Would still need to improve themselves.

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2024-04-28T03:10:38+00:00

Everything would change for the better. No more hook up culture

Title	For better or worse!?
Author	THEbeautifuLIE
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Date	April 27, 2024 11:05 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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