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That's specific to the denomination/sect. In Catholicism (what I grew up in), annulment is a religious dissolving of your prior marriage sacrament. You can get divorced in 'real life' but from the eyes of the Church you are not actually divorced until the annulment has been granted. That said, these days it's basically a formality, very few instances of annulments are not granted. You also need an annulment in cases where one spouse passed away and the widower wishes to remarry too, so it's not just a matter of divorce.

Can't speak for other sects/denominations, but being with a divorced person, from the perspective of Christianity, isn't all that taboo. The Church recognizes practical realities - especially at your age assuming Xennial/Gen X tag is accurate, there simply aren't that many never-married men left.

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Best of luck! I do think every person has to negotiate how much their faith matters and the degree to which it manifests in their communal life. Personal experience of mine is that most religious people I knew growing up were in it for the community, the beliefs are nominally there but doesn't really guide most people's moral decisions. This is why you have the Catholic church with its stance on things like abortion/gay marriage, but its believers in completely opposite beliefs.

Depending on what those values that are core to you, finding a person of faith who matches that (or a non-faith person who matches that) is probably more important than whether or not they were once married. So I guess it really depends on why you are considering leaning into Christianity completely, as you put it. I know friends who were once super religious and left completely, and a couple who grew up apathetic and became totally devout. All of our journeys are different, and it's valuable to really sit down and understand ourselves better as to why we seemingly want that something.

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The woman you end up with might not be your first place either. Or maybe she will. Maybe you rank the women you've been with very precisely, but I don't think most people do that.

As a guy who's been with a reasonably large number of women, I couldn't compare them with any precision if I tried. In some cases that's because I slept with her one time years ago and don't really remember all that much about it. In some of those cases, maybe I was drunk and it's a bit of a blur.

It's also difficult to compare the intensity of hooking up with a girl I just met to ongoing relationship sex. Like the first time we hooked up on the night we met was a very different experience from sex with her on a Tuesday night 6 months later. So when I try to compare the women I hooked up with and eventually had relationships with to those I just hooked up with, it's tough to compare.

I could probably pick my top 5 best in bed or top 5 hottest, but if you ask me today and ask me again a few days from now, I might not give you the exact same response. Some are clearly better than others, but force ranking would be hard.

I seriously doubt most people with high n counts precisely rank all their partners. It's more like a general sense for how they compare.

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“Know how to use them” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. If a guy is too big then that can make plenty of positions more difficult to avoid pain, or you can’t go as fast/intensely, depending on the woman’s anatomy. So there’s no perfect size but the further you go to an extreme the more problems there can be.

Also women aren’t oblivious to the kinds of NSFW content that men can be consuming or the kinds of comments they make about women’s bodies online. It’s not just women’s social media.

But porn and social media isn’t the same as having someone inside of you.

It doesn’t matter. Men can be making body comparisons whether or not they’ve slept with a lot of women. But the bigger point I’m making is that it’s pointless to obsess over. What matters is how your partner treats you and that you trust them.

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I somehow replied to the wrong poster. The guy I had meant to reply to said that he was someone who wanted to have a lot of sexual partners but wouldn’t marry a woman who had a lot of sexual partners because that means she’s a bad partner.

If you’re a man that thinks women having sex makes them less desirable for long term relationships - and logically actual love and commitment - then they would have to think that having lots of sex does something to women to make her undesirable. To still want to have lots of sex with different women makes you okay with ruining women for other men (and low key yourself) because you can’t have sex with a bunch of different women without also raising your body count.

And what studies show that men can have all the sex they want and somehow not be damaged but women are. Please share.

If you value sex something special between a couple you can’t then say “rule for thee but not for me” just because you want more chances to get your dick wet.

[–]chocobolamoRed Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (22 children) | Copy Link

Why are you saying if you are a man who thinks?

What men think does not matter. There are studies on this. What people think and feel *does not matter in the slightest*.

Body count matters, objectively, for longevity in relationships.

The studies show that the affect is pronounced for women and not for men.

Rather than writing comments about stuff you no nothing about, how about YOU LOOK IT UP:

https://imgur.com/DnMjpl3

Women go from like 90% happiness at 0 partners to ~25% at 20+. It's a linear relationship.

Divorce rate goes from 0% to 60%.

These men are not wrong for wanting women with less partners, they're just smart. The data does not lie. Your feelgood comments about sluts not being damaged is a lie. HVM get to choose, and they choose according to THEIR genetics, which values purity - and for good reason (the data backs it up).

Promiscuity in women gives men the ick, and they're not wrong for it either.

Sluts are damaged goods. To all smart men, get jacked, get a good career, get a good one, and get the fuck out. Don't mess with 304's.

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Why do you think that is not my goal? I told you I got one good one one and got out. You are making the assumption that is the goal for these men because these men desire sex, but these men aren't having any, so you are placing the blame of fuck boys on incels which is an insane take. It's actually clinically insane.

You are also trying to put everything on me, stop writing paragraphs and google marriage happiness by partner count. There is a lot of research on this.

Study	Key Findings (Female Focus)	Link
Re-Examining the Link Between Premarital Sex and Divorce (PMC)	Higher divorce risk with 9+ partners compared to 0–1.	Link
Counterintuitive Trends in Premarital Sex & Marital Stability (IFS)	33% divorce rate with 10+ partners; lowest for virgins.	Link
The Myth of Sexual Experience (Wheatley Institute)	More partners → lower marital satisfaction and stability.	Link
Premarital Sex Affects Marital Happiness (CNA)	65% happy with one lifetime partner; drops to 52% with 6–10 partners.	Link
Promiscuity and Marital Satisfaction (Bethel University)	More partners correlated with less trust and satisfaction.	Link

Like you can literally google this, it takes less effort than writing an ignorant paragraph. So do that next time??

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[–]NothingOrAllLifePurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

You can literally google and find something saying the earth is flat doesn’t mean it’s true. And I’m not talking about YOU! Personally!

I’m saying you as in the general you.

When I say “if you’re a man that thinks xyz” I’m not saying specifically about you. Just in general, in my opinion men that think sex ruins women but continue to strive to get sex with lots of women while not marrying them, then you’re a hypocrite.

Men love whores! Men love women that want to have wild crazy sex with them. Some men just think that if they are going to marry a woman then he has to be able to think she’s choosing him over all other men, and she can only do that by not having sex with a lot of other men. Some men think sex cheapens women, bemoan women for making them work hard for sex, then once they find a women they deal worthy of a “wife” title, will cheat on her with the same woman he said wasn’t good enough to marry because she slept with him.

Not saying ALL MEN or YOU SPECIFICALLY do this. But the guy I was (trying) replying to admitted to doing this. He said he wanted to sleep with lots of women but would only marry one that was low-n.

This bullshit your parroting from these studies is literal bullshit. No man or person that values sex as something special between two people will be able to sleep around (or have it be their goal to sleep around). You either view having sex as something special or you don’t .

Men are not different creatures. Having lots of sex may hurt whatever “pair bonding” nonsense sure, let’s say it’s true, ..but it hurts it equally for men.

[–]chocobolamoRed Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men are different creatures. We are both animals and each gender behaves in different ways. You are clinically insane if you think otherwise and you can actually just go google these differences. Gender differences are well studied.

So what you take one fuckboy in your life and apply that to all men on the internet. Isn't that what I said what you were doing? Taking fuckboy behavior and applying it to incels here? Self awareness please?

These studies are not bullshit, they're real, and they prove it. You sound like a high N count and you sound very unhappy. Not surprising.

It doesnt hurt equally. The data shows it doesnt.

Stop parroting bs feminist equality rhetoric that is literally anti science. No one is buying it.

Study (Year, Sample)	Outcome Measure	Findings for Women	Findings for Men
Smith & Wolfinger (2024, U.S. Add Health)	Divorce risk by premarital sexual partner count	Women with 9+ premarital sex partners had the highest divorce rates; those with 0 had the lowest.	Same trend: 9+ partners = highest divorce risk. No gender difference.
Wolfinger (2018, U.S. GSS)	Marital happiness	65% of women with 1 partner were "very happy"; 52% of those with 6–10 partners.	71% of men with 1 partner "very happy"; 65% with 2+.
Carroll et al. (2023, Wheatley Institute)	Marital satisfaction & stability	Wives with only one partner were twice as likely to report high satisfaction and stability vs 10+ group.	Same pattern. 45% of 1-partner men felt very secure; ~15% of 10+ did.
Laumann et al. (1994, U.S. NHSLS)	Marital stability & infidelity	Virgins had lower divorce & infidelity rates than non-virgins.	Same pattern. Non-virgins more likely to cheat and divorce.
Teachman (2003, U.S. NSFG)	Divorce risk	Women with 2+ premarital partners had elevated divorce risk vs those who only slept with their husband.	(Study focused on women only, but pattern aligns with other data on men.)
Legkauskas & Stankevičienė (2009, Lithuania)	Marital satisfaction	More premarital partners → lower satisfaction.	More premarital partners → lower satisfaction.
Rhoades et al. (2009, U.S.)	Communication & commitment	Women who lived with partner before engagement reported more negative communication & lower dedication.	Same trend. Early cohabitation linked to poorer communication and commitment.

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It seems, though, that there are men who care a little bit, and men who care a lot, and men who care not at all, so it's not really a binary, is it?

And like I pointed out earlier, many men *say* they care when surveyed, but their choices in partners and their consequent satisfaction with their relationships often dont reflect that they care about n count the way they previously expressed it... So does that really count as caring?

What about men who say, "Yeah, anything under (some significantly higher than average number that few women are likely to actually have) is fine..." Do they really even care, in effect, if none of the women they encounter even get close to that number?

And with all that grey space in mind, how does this translate to a meaningful conversation regarding men's feelings about women's n counts? saying "most men care about n count" isnt very meaningful or nuanced if your definition of caring includes the slightest of voiced (but not practiced) preference towards one number over another. And it certainly doesn't translate to reasonably actionable advice for women when choosing to have sex with new partners or not.

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But that's not what a man says in most cases. In most cases a man says she should take multiple dicks and doesn't do that himself, so not a hypocrite. Which sex is opposite is irrelevant. In fact, considering that would defeat the purpose of even evaluating if something is hypocritical, because you need to fix all parameters but one. Using something opposite already means you are not treating your samples the same way and have at least 2 parameters unfixed - the one that is relevant and whichever one is "opposite".

Yes, some guys do that. Like right now you are trying to get creative thinking we won't notice that you are allowing more than one degree of freedom. But we noticed.

Self-control has nothing to do with it. Men aren't saying women should have self-control while men shouldn't. They literally just say that they don't women taking multiple dicks. Not taking them doesn't mean she has self-control, too. She could be overeating, for example. She could not be promiscuous but still lack self-control in many other areas. This really just about dicks. She could also be sleeping with other women and that wouldn't be as big of a deal. Also, speaking of self-control. For a man to even be able to sleep with multiple women self-control is required. Nobody gets into top 20% without self-control. Not sleeping with multiple women actually means no self-control, not the other way around.

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That's a silly little argument. You can't logic women into thinking you're not a hypocrite. No matter how you attempt to phrase it, most women will think you're a hypocrite for saying you should be able to sleep with as many women as you want, but she shouldn't be able to sleep with as many men as she wants. An autistic sounding "but women don't have dicks" response is likely to make things even worse for you. But ultimately do what you think works best for you, I guess.

Nobody gets into top 20% without self-control. Not sleeping with multiple women actually means no self-control, not the other way around.

Another silly little argument. Just being born with the right genes can easily get you to the top 20%. I'm almost 6'4 with a face that women find attractive. Even when I was a skinny high school kid, it was easy for me to get girls. Staying skinny wasn't hard, because I could eat whatever I wanted back then and never really gained any weight.

I did improve from there when I started casually lifting late in high school and got more serious about it in college, but that was after I already had a well above average n count. I slept with more girls freshman year of college than I have any other year of my life, and that was before I made any real effort. Being tall with good face, skin, hair, etc. was enough.

I can 100% tell you I wasn't practicing self-control freshman year.

[–]Intelligent-InsightBlue Pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

No, that's a logically valid argument based on the definitions and basic rules of logic. You can't logic women into feeling you're not a hypocrite, but yes you can logic women into thinking you are not one if you are not one. What you said is very sexist and insulting. Not all women are dumb and illogical. Most women are not. Many women understand the rules of formal logic and clearly see when the definition of hypocrisy doesn't apply. You can't call it a hypocrisy if someone doesn't want other to do A and himself to do B if A is not equal to B. It's hypocrite to say you should be able to sleep with many women and others shouldn't. Any variation from that such as your example is not hypocrisy by definition. Plus, the though is not that you should do something and they shouldn't. It's that both of you shouldn't do something, where something = sleeping with many men.

Outliers exist. Mentioning statistical outliers doesn't invalidate the trend. Most men - even if they have genetic advantages - still need to work out to look attractive, watch their diet, etc. High school stories are irrelevant, we are talking about big picture. And again, the fact that for you it was easy while for some it wasn't only supports what I said. Especially if a man without that genetics slept with many women. It's not easy to get laid in HS for most men, most men who do get laid do it after HS (could be including HS) where they need to put effort to be in shape.

Again, outliers exist. Most men have to self improve to get to the point where they can even get a gf, let alone sexual variety and exploration. Your personal experience is irrelevant to this conversation, since nobody is implying that this thing is deterministic and talking about every single man. Many men need a lot of self-control to look good and/or to make money.

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How is that relevant? If I ask flat earthers how seasons work, does it matter how the results will look? Things are what they are regardless of what people feel or think about them. Hypocrisy has a definition. What you described is not hypocrisy. It doesn't matter what illiterate people would say or what literate people would say for that matter.

No, I'm talking from personal experience. I'm talking from everything I've seen on the topic from different sources and for years. It's well established that women have standards and preferences and that in the majority of cases to reach that level one must put in some effort if they weren't born with it. It doesn't take self-control to be rejected by a woman. It happens by default for most men, otherwise all this stuff on how to get laid wouldn't be in such high demand for decades.

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If I say I will only date short women even though I'm tall, most people won't react because I can't control the fact that I'm tall. It's not behavioral.

My guy what?

Your behaviour is not how tall you are, in this case your behaviour would be who you would choose to date. Picking the short girl is the behaviour. You could always also pick a tall girl..

But if I say I will only date slim, toned women even though I'm 300 lbs. and spend my days sitting on the couch eating Big Macs, people will likely call me a hypocrite.

Lol so I get it, if you're tall you can't pick a tall girl, because somehow you're tall and you can't change who you are.

But when it comes to weight and you can change it, you can pick between the two?!

Please help me out.

Saying that I don't want to practice any self control but I expect a woman to practice self control is hypocritical and likely to draw a response on reddit.

You know what, you just gave me an epiphany.

I'm actually turning guy in 2 hours, because I'm going to change my ways, I'm not going to be an hypocrite anymore, I mean, if I'm a guy, why would I think I should date a girl?

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What enrages women about ncount is that it reverses their usual position of being the arbiters of social norms. Women love to yield the "ick", "creepy" and other Kevin Samuels SIGN language™ to lord over men to direct men's behavior.

They like to be in that position, distributing good and bad points, wagging fingers and telling men what they should or shouldn't do.

But the ncount completely reverses that: it's a purely male inner psychological aspect about women's behavior. Women who have been lecturing others how "feelings" should be respected are suddenly trapped by their own rhetoric.

So well, the usual female double standard is once again used to exit this conundrum.

But no matter what women say, perception about ncount is something they cannot do anything about. And women are upset because for once, they are no longer the arbiters of social value.

Women tried to embrace it, but ask a woman her ncount and she will lie or not answer.

Because women know, that despite what they claim, they know that men do care about it and there's nothing women can do to change the importance of ncount for men. And that's what pisses them off the most.

https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1b4sx4m/n_counts_weekly_discussion_thread/kt3gp4d/

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The more "appropriate" version around the discussion of n-counts is relationship count.

For a guy, who is looking for a soulmate esque LTR, who would be the better option for him?: The woman who has had 2 LTR (both about 5 years long) over the span of 10 years, or the woman who has had like 5+ LTR's (scattered and short) over the span of 10 years {lets say these two are the same age}. Obviously it would be the former, as it makes sense. Lower number of LTR's over a large course of time = less likely of relationship failure.

Plus its a lot of more tact to ask that rather than n-count. "How many relationships have you been in since [Highschool, College, (year)]?" as oppose to "How many people have you slept with in your life? 😡"

But here is what i think is the kicker: One can deduce and come to a mental estimate of someone's n-count when told relationship count. If one has had a lot of LTR's, with large gaps in-between them, its safe to assume they are the type to sleep around, have FWB's, the type to hookup/have ONS', etc. Of course, this is also with the fact of assessing other parts of their character.

Of course, the main problem women seem to have about this topic is that its abundant with slut shaming (+ psychoanalytic Madonna-whore complex), men who supposedly have low n count preference, turn around and complain that their date wont sleep with them on the first night, etc. I don't have a rebuttal against any of that since their all fair points when it comes to analyzing cultural and social phenomenon. Personally i think its goofy for a man to have low n count preference, even if he doesn't wish to live up to it himself. But what i will say is, when it comes to something serious: its always in the best interest of the judge, employer, and the potential life partner to care about the past.

n-counts is an intriguing topic.

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Perhaps. I like to believe that people come out better, or at the very least more informed when they get out of relationships. Its the whole: time + experience = wisdom. In that sense then, it makes sense to go with the ones who have had long drawn out relationships, since that indicates that they were satisfied or content and knew what they wanted. As apposed to people who seem to jump from one short relationship to another like its a game or change their standards quickly.

But you may be right, i might just be too optimistic. Their may be a lot of variables, for example people often get trapped in abusive relationships and takes them a long time to get out. Or they simply just put up with a boring one, till they had enough and left. Their are just too many variable to cover to be 100 %.

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But can we assume that they were content and knew what they wanted though? A drawn out relationship means that much more investment into the relationship, and they threw away all that "sunk cost". That could be even more concerning in a way. If they knew what they wanted, they would have stayed forever, but after years, they decide it isn't right for them.

It could potentially be better for someone to treat relationships seriously, but doesn't take as long to figure out whether they determine if the relationship is right for them or not. We could call them a fast learner.

I don't think too many is good either. It is even worse when they make the exact same vetting mistake and end up with the same kind of bad partner over and over again. However, I think it could be better for someone to get out of a relationship they aren't going to be in forever within a reasonable period of time.

I am not trying to pick a fight fyi. I am enjoying talking to you about this topic. :)

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Title	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD
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