You cannot win an argument with a feminist. If a male is ridiculed for acting feminine, it's because "femininity is seen an insult," but when a female is ridiculed for acting masculine, it's because s

EvilPundit · 2013-01-04T17:00:57+00:00

Winning an argument with a feminist is not the point.

The point is winning the argument with the audience. If the feminist uses this tactic, point out the double standard and use it to show that they are being sexist/hateful.

headingtoshore · 2013-01-04T18:14:33+00:00

I have seen girls attack other girls by saying they look like boys, I have seen boys attack other boys by saying they look like girls. i have seen white people attack each other by claiming they act like black people, i have seen black people attack each other by claiming they act as if they were white.

The common thread in all attacks is, perhaps too obviously, that they are intended to hurt. You can ridicule someone in any way, with any particular phrasing and the only accurate translation of that 'attack phrase' into another language will be 'attack phrase, intended to ridicule'.

Coinin · 2013-01-04T17:42:44+00:00

Those kinds of arguments basicly come down to "it's different when it happens to women."

Feminist or whatever, I don't have much time for the people who spout that stuff.

Lightfiend · 2013-01-04T20:18:02+00:00

Hell you can't even ask a feminist a question. They'll ban your ass so quick your head will spin.

Lightfiend · 2013-01-04T16:18:06+00:00

so why are men ridiculed for acting feminine?

rightsbot · 2013-01-04T16:18:18+00:00

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elverloho · 2013-01-04T18:48:33+00:00

Are either of those theories even falsifiable?

Windex007 · 2013-01-04T21:07:06+00:00

If a debate has degraded to ridicule, then it's not really even a debate anymore.

thadjohnson · 2013-01-04T22:24:13+00:00

How about personally just not ridiculing folks who step outside traditional gender roles, and calling out others who do? Then you can avoid the argument entirely, because you're a better man than that, and you make other men look better, too. Also, trans/genderqueer people are shit-tons of awesome and get a lot of disrespect - if we step up as their friends, they'll step up as ours. True story.

ZorbaTHut · 2013-01-04T22:24:10+00:00

It's part of the underlying belief that every difference is rooted in prejudice against women. If it disadvantages women, it's actually prejudice against women. If it advantages women, it's still prejudice against women. Doesn't matter what it is, it's prejudice against women.

The best example of this is Hillary Clinton's infamous speech:

Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.

which is usually explained by saying that the men are dead, and therefore nothing bad can happen to them and so they aren't as important, whereas the living must bear the burden of living with their loved ones gone.

Which, of course, logically leads to the claim that the primary victim of the recent Delhi gang-rape attack, which resulted in death, were the victim's male relatives, and that the actual rape victim isn't really important anymore due to being dead. Good luck convincing them of that, though.

reenygreeneyes · 2013-01-05T00:39:09+00:00

Not all feminists are man hating bra burners! Contimuing this generalization only hurts both causes. -feminist who also cares a lot about men's rights :)

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-01-05T03:51:21+00:00

It would be more accurate to say "men and women face difficulties when acting outside their respective gender norms."

That much is true, but it isn't due to a value judgement on the part of either one.

browntulip · 2013-01-05T05:33:23+00:00

Relevant: http://unmaskingfeminism.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-feminization-of-rhetoric/

Explains the decline of rational discussion in the context of male and female relations.

dungone · 2013-01-04T19:57:06+00:00

It's funny, I made just about the same exact comment on Genderratic earlier today. http://www.genderratic.com/p/2473/tales-of-the-red-pill-feminist-allies-of-mras/#comment-25310 (I guess you might have to read a little up to get the context of it, but anyway...)

Macdaddy357 · 2013-01-04T20:51:25+00:00

How can you tell if you are in a feminist book store? There is no humor section.

2013-01-04T23:29:15+00:00

"Every problem that affects men is the result of misogyny, not misandry." Not everything is about women, for crying out loud.

Xenoith · 2013-01-05T01:42:15+00:00

You make anything true when you start with a false premise. Feminism has mastered this. It's why they're allergic to facts and statistics.

pasapprivoisee · 2013-01-05T03:57:45+00:00

Meh.

You know how in the 60s men were criticized for having long hair and the only people who could make it stop was men growing their hair out and saying "fuck it" until the stick-up-the-ass sort got used to it and shut the hell up?

And how the only people who could make it acceptable for wearing pants was the sort of women who said "fuck it" and wore pants until the stick-up-the-ass population got used to it and got over it?

Well if you want to wear a skirt, you're just going to have to get a pair (I use this with ovaries or testicles, so don't even bother) and wear the skirt.

I can't wear the skirt for you, 'cause no one will care. You're just going to have to do it yourself. Or get your dad to, like this guy.(Yes it's a YT thing, I can't find the video from anyone else on a quick search. Deal with it.)

Pecanpig · 2013-01-05T07:28:49+00:00

"Arguing with a feminist is like playing chess with a pigeon, it will just knock over all the pieces, shit all over the board and then strut away as if it won." Me

Title	You cannot win an argument with a feminist. If a male is ridiculed for acting feminine, it's because "femininity is seen an insult," but when a female is ridiculed for acting masculine, it's because s
Author	Lightfiend
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Date	January 4, 2013 4:16 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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