Part #2 to "4/10 American girl goes to Japan." Author writes follow-up, called "Are North American Women Really THAT Bad?"

Lipophobicity · 2014-10-29T16:26:53+00:00

Using this author's own logic either:

a) North American women really are that bad

b) It's just her

I find both options equally plausible and hilarious

TankVet · 2014-10-29T15:27:34+00:00

This woman's words are just mind-bogglingly sexist, pompous and self-righteous.

She uses her own values to harshly judge another culture, but is morally outraged when that culture does the same to her based on their values.

She believes herself to be so far above other women that she is outraged when they are chosen over her. She's like the white knight neckbeard who believes he deserves a supermodel girlfriend to approach him in the depths of his parents' basement. She's just as detached from reality.

Her self-righteousness is grotesque. How dare these lesser mortals not value her as she does? They're scum! They should be calling to her as she passes them in the streets! (Wait, I think I saw that video...)

Man or woman, there's no maturity, morality or value in disrespect or pomposity. This person may be college educated (for what little that's worth), but she has the emotional maturity of a grade schooler.

lloopy · 2014-10-29T15:43:40+00:00

Men are seeking women who will make good partners.

Women are seeking men who will make good partners.

The attributes of a good man are not the same as an attribute of a good woman.

A tall guy with ripped abs and no job isn't going to put food on the table and keep you safe. While it might be a fun ride, it's not what you go home to. Many foreign women are looking for someone they can have children with, someone they can count on. An American man with the means to make it to their country is therefore a catch. He clearly has his life together enough to travel the world!

A hot American woman might be fun to have sex with, but is going to be a nightmare at home. "I speak two languages, and have traveled the world! Entertain me man-slave! dance! dance!"

I see women at the gym who have ripped arms and I can honestly say it does absolutely nothing for me. Those are male characteristics, not female characteristics. As one person stated somewhere else, "You can't negotiate desire".

UEMcGill · 2014-10-29T15:24:33+00:00

You know I read both articles. It seems both men and women fail to realize that not getting a LTR or even a casual relationship falls solely on one person, themselves. We can talk about game, holding frame, or whatever, in the end its about numbers. Even a hapless beta that hangs around enough post wall women may find one that says "Oh alright, might as well".

I'm in sales. Not used cars, but the kind where the CFO and I sit down and talk about cash flow for the next year. What I've learned is its not about product, but solutions. What problems am I going to fix.

She thought they had a problem with the product or the features. When really she should have been "What problem can I fix?"

That's why red pill works. You're not offering a product aka Beta Bux, your offering a solution, alpha Fucks.

slimcoat · 2014-10-29T17:00:42+00:00

One of the worst comments was written by Laura, a self-proclaimed feminist:

The thing I find most disturbing in these comments is the implicit notion of ownership. Judging from what a lot of these guys have written, a Western female (and maybe any female) is measured in terms of her attractiveness, subservience and datability---in short, "what good are you to me?"

Extreme double standard. Although she hasn't said it -- yet -- the implication is that she can measure men in terms of attractiveness and dateability (and perhaps subservience, too), but when the tables are turned it's classified as "the implicit notion of ownership".

Take the SF dress example. That's totally me in Converse and jeans. I dress that way cause it's comfortable. The objective in my getting dressed every morning isn't to attract men.

Then don't expect to attract men... ever.

I dress for my lifestyle, for me. Is that what these commentors mean by "self-centered"?---that I live my life for me, in a way that makes me happy?

Yes. That's exactly what that means.

That just strikes me as really really sad. I wouldn't be interested in a guy that came at me that way, and wouldn't expect a guy whose interactions with the opposite sex were framed entirely in that context to be remotely attracted to me.

I wonder if she would want a man to "live for himself" and dress sloppily before he tries to hit on her? More than likely she would label him "creepy" and outright dismiss him before going home to blog about how all these weirdos keep hitting on her.

But the thing that really bums me out about this whole discussion is this focus on outside validation: having vs. not having a mate, attracting vs. not attracting the opposite sex. When I say that I'm living my life for me, I mean that I want to be the source of my own happiness, not constantly searching for this acceptance and approval from men to measure my self-worth.

Probably the only point she has that's somewhat close to reality. Yeah, sure, you shouldn't be dependent on somebody else for your own happiness. But love/sex can be a huge part of happiness -- especially when it's nowhere to be found in your life. Ultimately, she's telling people to NOT to seek it. I wonder if this is because she hasn't been successful in the past (evidently due to her own behavior, which she cannot possibly fathom).

And I don't think that's just me being a feminist...

I think that has everything to do with it.

I hear that kind of desperate searching in the male commentors even louder than in the female ones. We're all okay, guys. We're perfectly okay just the way we are, and we really don't need either women vying for our affection or men lavishing attention on us to feel worthy or whole. We are worthy, just the way we are. (I'm apparently a hippie too.)

Worthy of what? When you're satisfied with your own mediocrity, expecting others to also be satisfied with it is the very definition of entitlement.

Her hamstering and self-validation would be quite humorous if she weren't trying so hard to drag decent women down with her. It's the same old message that feminism has been preaching all these years... women can sit back and relax, then decry victimization when women are held to standards. It's a horrible spiral that leaves otherwise normal women absolutely helpless and alone, and I can't help but feel a pity for those caught in this shrike's snare of "self-worth" capitulation.

EDIT: Some clarification.

TRPsubmitter · 2014-10-29T17:33:41+00:00

Generally speaking, American women make the worst WIVES, but are known for being great for CASUAL UNATTACHED SEX

At least in Asia, this is how lots of guys view NA girls. To be fair, most NA girls gladly participate in this arrangement. They're here to just "study and party" here for a few months or year. No one is getting married.

So it adds to their reputation as "easy girls". Lots of white girls in Korea complain that korean guys view them as easy lays. The fact is they ARE. The problem comes in when NA girls also expect the bf treatment after they spread their legs. Normal non-slutty Korean girls will have sex with you, but MOST want to be girlfriended before that happens. Even if it's just 1 or 2 dates and you tell them "I want to date you".

In other words, the price of sex is still "higher" in Asia because women here know its value. There will always be a segment of Asian slutty girls, but the majority make guys work a bit harder for it, which is why guys are willing to invest more into girls here.

FrogTrainer · 2014-10-29T17:27:32+00:00

cue the typical male shaming in the comments, and complete rejection of introspection by all female commentators.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T20:32:01+00:00

Good too see some commenters getting it. "Here in Brazil we say American women are good for sex and bad for love."

If the betas in the US/CA/UK/AU would just stop pedestalizing their trash, then maybe our women would have to actually improve, lose weight, get off antidepressants, shitty diets, drugs, and feminism. Unfortunately as long as feminist countries have squadrons of Captain-SAHs, then our women will never change. It takes extreme circumstances and a lack of a beta validation stimulus for women to even contemplate self-improvement, let alone stick to it.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T15:13:35+00:00

She doesn't even justify or try to defend American (Western) women. Just hamsters that it's hard to find a "life partner" if your rule out American women. When there's the entire continents of Asia and Europe try harder fatty. (not that non-Western women are angels or anything, far from it, still a hella of a lot better).

b00m_shakalaka · 2014-10-29T15:20:54+00:00

i. Blow criticism all out of proportion

"What, we seem more narcissistic and entitled than women from other places, on average? OMFG why are you comparing us to rampaging Godzillas and toxic chemicals?! So uncalled for!"

ii. Compare yourself to this giant caricature you've created

"Well, I'm obviously not as bad as they're saying (that is, your over-dramatization of what they're saying), so their criticisms seem unfounded. I think it's safe to write them off as bitter neckbeards.

iii. Write it off, keep believing you're perfect, fail to learn/grow/improve, keep wondering why you're not getting what you want.

Cyralea · 2014-10-29T16:42:41+00:00

I'm glad that she included Canada, Toronto is the capital of self-absorbed feminist cunts. This is the only place where "Do you know how to cook" is equally offensive to "Why are you so goddamn fat, bitch?" I'll throw out Australia as well, I hear they're in the same boat.

I'll give the author credit though, she isn't outright hamstering away the phenomenon. She recognizes the plausibility of it. You can't help but laugh at how she wants to weasel a way out for herself though.

TekkomanKingz · 2014-10-29T18:49:59+00:00

Yeah, I had a friend who is attracted to the stereotypical Caucasian alpha male type.

Too bad for her, because she's a muscular, aggressive, bitchy black girl. Trying to tell her (numerous times) "the things that work for me (being a muscular, aggressive, uncompromising black male) don't work for you" was just a waste of effort.

She was convinced that she just had to try harder.

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Watermelon_Salesman · 2014-10-29T16:19:17+00:00

I'm not american and I haven't been to the USA since 1993. Are things really that bad?

I always thought of your country as a vast, diverse continent, with each state having its own culture. I thought that there was a very relevant difference between Vermont and Texas, states with quite distant cultures, although part of the same country. I always thought that going from Oregon to Louisiana was like going from London to Maghreb.

Are american women really like that in every american state?

Frisky-Fox · 2014-10-29T15:43:11+00:00

I have done a lot of globe trotting with a family member's flight benefits, and from my personal experiences, I think most of the reason that women in america are so low quality is that they are spoiled by a lot of attractive and successful men.

When I travel to other countries, I find that most men are in worse shape (I don't mean fat, just not regularly athletic) and most men are poorer and less educated than men are in the United States.

Women always shoot for the top 25% of guys. In the United States, they have their pick of good looking, successful men. In other countries, most of those men come here, leaving women in those countries hungry for high quality mates. So as a good looking successful american man I work hard to be a player in the US, but I'm banging girls on rooftops in foreign countries. Vice versa for women.

Snivellious · 2014-10-29T21:26:02+00:00

"Fat, evil, and smell like yeast." That line alone justifies the entire conversation to me.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T21:32:25+00:00

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IllimitableMan · 2014-10-29T23:12:34+00:00

The vile and repulsive state of contemporary western women serves as a huge warning for the rest of the world not to institutionalise the ideology of feminism into their own cultures. Feminism has been, and always will be, cultural suicide. I of course, am referring to the fall of Rome.

brotherjustincrowe · 2014-10-29T18:07:41+00:00

"It's misogyny!" They're not complaining about ALL women, darlin'. Just you. "Well those other women have internalized misogyny." Nope, you. "SHUTTUP YOU MISOGYNIST!!" Oh, right, the problem is everyone in the world except you.

kick6 · 2014-10-29T21:22:09+00:00

Here's one of the comments that encapsulates everything that's wrong with western women, and why men who go to foreign countries, and meet foreign women say north american women suck (emphasis mine)

The thing I find most disturbing in these comments is the implicit notion of ownership. Judging from what a lot of these guys have written, a Western female (and maybe any female) is measured in terms of her attractiveness, subservience and datability---in short, "what good are you to me?" Take the SF dress example. That's totally me in Converse and jeans. I dress that way cause it's comfortable. The objective in my* getting dressed every morning isn't to attract men. I dress for my lifestyle, for me. Is that what these commentors mean by "self-centered"?---that I live my life for me, in a way that makes me happy? That just strikes me as really really sad. I wouldn't be interested in a guy that came at me that way, and wouldn't expect a guy whose interactions with the opposite sex were framed entirely in that context to be remotely attracted to me. But the thing that really bums me out about this whole discussion is this focus on outside validation: having vs. not having a mate, attracting vs. not attracting the opposite sex. When I say that I'm living my life for me, I mean that I want to be the source of my own happiness, not constantly searching for this acceptance and approval from men to measure my self-worth. And I don't think that's just me being a feminist; I hear that kind of desperate searching in the male commentors even louder than in the female ones. We're all okay, guys. We're perfectly okay just the way we are, and we really don't need either women vying for our affection or men lavishing attention on us to feel worthy or whole. We are worthy, just the way we are. (I'm apparently a hippie too.) Thanks for opening up this discussion. Super fascinating stuff.

Jesus Christ, I couldn't have written this better had I tried. The point is: western men don't realize that American women are narcissistic cunts because it's all they've known. Then they go to foriegn countries and realize "holy shit, these girls actually care a small amount about how they're perceived in the social sphere, and want a relationship with an actual person and not just some fucking checklist...American women suck!"

DumpyLips · 2014-10-29T22:38:06+00:00

What I don't get is the lack of reflection. I feel like anytime anyone has ever tried to tell me something about myself, no matter how little, big, insulting or nice I reflected long and hard about whether there was any truth in it and I always respected the fact that the other person may be able to see something that I can't see myself.

The comments were just filled with people saying "What is everyone talking about? Thats not true, American women aren't like that!!!" I don't get how that can be a knee jerk response. Wouldn't you ask yourself why the ENTIRE WORLD thinks american women are certain kind a way? Wouldn't you wonder if there was some truth to it that you couldn't see because you were an american women?

Axis_of_Weasels · 2014-10-29T18:10:29+00:00

I seriously doubt European women are much different than American. Its a western thing

PracticallyAlpha · 2014-10-29T19:04:57+00:00

That last quote called her stinky and was sourced "Unchi", or "poop". Well done, Internet.

kanaduhisfruityeh · 2014-10-29T21:40:32+00:00

The problem with North American women is that they think they're special, and North American men think North American women are special- until they go to other countries. Then they realize that North American women aren't the only option.

MickeyRoarick · 2014-10-30T01:41:09+00:00

@ Vin - Yeah, there are some pretty bad dressers here. I think the emphasis on comfort (I.e., the sweatpant and sneaker look) hasn't helped any. But is that really all that big of a deal?

I find it hard to relate to men and women of ANY culture who haven't traveled much or lived abroad. I hope that doesn't sound snobby...it's just the truth. I guess it's like anything...you're drawn to people with whom you share similar interests.

What a wonderful author. "I dress like shit and want to be treated like a beautiful independent human being without any mental problems! And oh but sorry I just judge the shit out of anyone who isn't wealthy enough to live and travel around the world. No I'm not only interested in rich guys, just guys who can afford to travel around the world frequently every year that's all. Everyone else is so blegh, like I can't even look at them they disgust me- omg why are people so shallow and judge me walking around wearing sweatpants!!!"

Another woman chimes in:

Take the SF dress example. That's totally me in Converse and jeans. I dress that way cause it's comfortable. The objective in my getting dressed every morning isn't to attract men. I dress for my lifestyle, for me. Is that what these commentors mean by "self-centered"?---that I live my life for me, in a way that makes me happy?

Lol it is kinda selfish and slobby, I could walk around wearing a Borat mankini with my huge gut gathering the melted ice cream dripping off my face, but if that makes me happy then fuck every other person in the world who doesn't like it! Am I selfish?? (But in all honesty, that jeans and converse outfit isn't too bad, plenty of girls I dated in HS dressed like that. I've just moved past that. What's really off putting is her attitude about it.)

These comments are just endless in entertainment.

hur1n · 2014-10-29T16:58:57+00:00

holy shit, the first comment on the article, by "Ania" -

Anyone who starts a comment with something like “I have traveled all over the world conducting a multi-billion dollar business" is a sad little loser with no accomplishments who pours out his self-disappointment and bitterness spreading internet hatred

w...wwhAT? lol.

a woman is saying that a man who travels and also conducts business on a multi-billion dollar level, is a sad loser with no accomplishments.

scarletspider3 · 2014-10-29T17:25:31+00:00

I love the under tone of this article. At least one woman was knocked off her pedestal. Now we just have to knock afew more off of their pedestals.

the99percent1 · 2014-10-29T17:32:35+00:00

discount 180million NA girls? Bitch please, you are livin in a place that has a billion pussy...

What the fuck is wrong with this liberal arts educunted sorry excuse of a girl?

How far up her own self-entitled ass does she have to be?

NiftyDolphin · 2014-10-29T18:37:08+00:00

"Hi! In an article I wrote, I pretty much branded myself as an undatable shrew. My co-workers have now found out about the article, and have read the comments section and are shaming me. I was just KIDDING! It's hard for every-AmericanMenAreJustAsBadOrWorse-body out there, so can't we all get along?"

kick6 · 2014-10-29T18:46:49+00:00

archive.today is blocked at work. Can someone kick me the real link?

letsgoblues · 2014-10-29T20:19:35+00:00

If this is how men abroad view the female population of North America, well then forget sewing a Canadian flag to my backpack, next time I leave the U.S. I’ll wear a fur hat and pretend to be Russian.

I'm quite familiar with Russian women. She couldn't come close to pulling it off.

LandShark805 · 2014-10-29T23:10:05+00:00

I want to have sake with Unchi-kun.

kamenr · 2014-10-29T23:27:52+00:00

Gaijin saying: "I didn't come to Japan to eat roast beef."

Keats852 · 2014-10-30T00:05:34+00:00

I'm a European guy, I've been in the USA for 4 years, and to be honest, I'm looking for a European or Asian woman. American girls are just too high-maintenance, show no initiative, and are generally pretty shallow.

RebootedMale · 2014-10-30T06:02:13+00:00

Can you imagine if this girl spent .01% of the time she spends traveling and whining in the gym?

You create your own problems in life by making bad decisions. Choosing the wrong priorities. Any bias against western women would be eliminated if the woman in question simply got fit and learned the value of humility.

guy2435 · 2014-10-30T06:28:50+00:00

I have watched a documentary about why japan's population is on a decline. There was a portion of it where they interviewed a 30 and 38 year old single men, if I remember it correctly, who are very much addicted to video games and PC anime dating games and are not interested in getting married. And the comment below that dating is a lot of work and women expects so much from men etc, summarizes their sentiments. They are much happier playing their games, going to clubs, going to geek conventions, with their friends or on their own. Comment below could be the RP reason for that.

valhar2000
September 10, 2014
Kelly: Don’t worry about the “sudden superiority western men assume”. It’s a scam.

Japanese men, in record numbers, have done what western men, so far, can only dream of: they have overcome their addiction to pussy. Once that is done, it becomes clear that dating is a lot of work, ludicrously risky, and offers little reward, except for a tiny minority of people who get lucky.

This is why Japan has the “grass-eater” phenomenon: a large number of men who are not interested in dating women, and whose only concern is doing what makes them happy. You will likely lob standardized insults at them, like “creepy” or “selfish” or “misogynist”, but since they are no longer addicted to pussy, they have no pressing reason to care what you or any other women they don’t know think.

Those western men you are jealous of? They are not scoring the Japanese Queen Bee. Instead, they are her prey. And once she has them securely in her clutches, the ugly truth will be revealed to them, and they will regret the choices they made, deeply.

But then, I suppose that makes it less likely you will find a willing, docile, humanoid utility drone that you can exploit, so I can see how you would be upset.

_Dog- · 2014-10-30T13:37:27+00:00

Interesting. I read articles like this and I think of my sister, an American woman in every sense of the word. We grew up in a rural area. She always worked hard on herself. From counting calories to maintain a size 0 through her 20s, to getting a doctorate while having two children, who she does raise as she only works one day a week to stay frosty within her field. Sure she is materialistic, but grounded due to her upbringing. We've had many red pill discussions masked as general conversation, and in my mind she is what feminism was meant to be. She was able to educate herself, find man, and is being the mother to her children instead of running from her responsibility in favor of a career.

Want to know how to get a woman like this? Well, her partner (as marriage to her is silly) is a former national rugby player current ER doctor from Argentina. Status, wealth, strength, and looks that's how.

Watermelon_Salesman · 2014-10-29T15:18:55+00:00

The Who knew this in 1970. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4GWOkvDeM

Funny enough, they're Canadian.

Di-eEier_von_Satan · 2014-10-29T21:54:18+00:00

Histrionic - Histrionic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people act in a very emotional and dramatic way that draws attention to themselves.

Learn something every day!

watersign · 2014-10-29T23:02:28+00:00

ive heard people say the same thing about german and french women as well..the feminists have won over there. hope its not true

snaptogrid · 2014-10-30T06:41:46+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uid7RrXBY2A

[deleted] · 2014-10-30T17:39:40+00:00

I like how at the end of the article, after talking about how American women are viewed in poor light, she literally says "why aren't men taking the blame for this?"

That sentence that you wrote? That is literally why non-Americans hate you and call you a blame-dodging princess. How can you possibly attempt to make other people take responsibility for your actions and then not be viewed negatively?

wildchild11 · 2014-10-29T19:16:42+00:00

These articles are 4 years old...don't get why it's getting a popularity surge suddenly

Title	Part #2 to "4/10 American girl goes to Japan." Author writes follow-up, called "Are North American Women Really THAT Bad?"
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Date	October 29, 2014 2:45 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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