Pickup artists why do you do it? Alpha widowing damages women for life.

Hennythepainaway · 2019-09-22T08:06:41+00:00

What a coincidence, I checked my facebook for the first time in forever and there was a Humans of NY post about a PUA. >https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/photos/pb.102099916530784.-2207520000.1569139108./3437404306333645/?type=3&theater

To pickup artists, why bother?

They just don't care. Why do people search out this stuff. It's because they've struck out enough times that all they care about is getting what they want. The guy acknowledges it's manipulative, he says "Of course it’s manipulation, but why should I care? I’ve been manipulated so many times in my life.”

I think the first reply was succinct. Hurt people hurt people

revente · 2019-09-22T08:44:16+00:00

Reading OP's description of a PUA i believe that OP has no real life experience with them and just bases her or his opinion on some cheezy romance novels.

cooktight · 2019-09-22T07:22:27+00:00

Every pua artist or player I ever met had his own heart broken by a woman who did it to him first. They're just playing the game they learnt from the other side when they were young.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-09-22T07:47:17+00:00

"Enjoy the decline?" Well guess who is contributing to it.

thats the idea yeah

PrideInIndividuality · 2019-09-22T07:07:04+00:00

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

NockerJoe · 2019-09-22T05:06:51+00:00

And?

I never went in for a lot of PUA stuff but I figured out a lot of this on my own. A lot of women form an image of a man who isn't real, but they never give real men a chance because they're chasing that phantom. When I was an awkward kid nobody cared. When I was that same awkward kid spitting game a lot of women were a lot more invested.

Hell lets cut the bullshit, these women are not blushing 14 year olds. A lot of women who fall for this bullshit are well into their 40's by the time I meet them and if I pass them up or they don't want me they'll fall for the same act of a different dude. I've gotten plenty of texts from older women who didn't see me that way but are repeatedly shocked the charming man who knows his wine and asked them out at that age wanted to fuck right off. Just extrapolate that back down and up the age line and there's no shortage of women at literally every experience level who still fall for some day one game, or even stupid shit like intentionally bad game to see how bad you can get away with. For fucks sake I spent like 10 minutes crafting the worst pick up lines I could for the worst dates I could imagine as a joke and a single mom who overheard me still went up to me and shot her shot despite also being upfront that she's been burned every other time she tried.

Game, weather straight game or inverse game that also works, isn't some inflated standard. It's the standard these women will run on from their first period past menopause. They don't like you for you, never did, and never will.

LeJacquelope · 2019-09-22T06:34:57+00:00

Not that I think PUAs are anything but trash, but it's quite obvious that their point is "you're either the dude who alpha widows her or the dude that comes in second and has to put up with her baggage after the dude who came before you."

They're correct, too - in a terribly short sighted way.

TheJim66 · 2019-09-22T05:40:28+00:00

So?

I'm not responsible for what she thinks or how she behaves.She has agency.And even if we assume I did something to deceive her...who cares she is an adult.Im not hurting her I offer her a good time.

By your logic women should be sleeping with the friendzoned dude because "she ruins him for other women and he got emotionally attached"

reluctantly_red · 2019-09-22T16:30:48+00:00

the image she's created of this man in her head is not real.

PUA stuff is total BS and hardly ever works. Players are just attractive fun guys women like having sex with. Women have been trying to domesticate these guys since forever and complaining when that doesn't work for just as long.

The bottom line is that she chose to have sex with him. She created a fantasy wherein he committed to her. I'm always amazed at how so many blame the guy for this.

peterlongc · 2019-09-22T06:27:52+00:00

Hate the player, not the game. Men without conscience, without ideals. Spreading their sickness.

They themselves are the decline. How enjoyable is it really?

-OpportunityCost · 2019-09-22T07:49:57+00:00

You basically just describes a girl getting attached to a Chad when he is pumping and dumping her. I'm not a pickup artists but I have had women who are super into me and want a relationship when I strictly told them I'm not looking for anything. I still hook up with them, and they still express that they want more when we get together and nothing ever changes. Why should I feel bad about that? It's not my fault that she expects more even though I explicitly state my intentions.

damiksta93 · 2019-09-22T11:13:00+00:00

Story Time....

I was a high school virgin. Not ugly by any means. But a bit socially awkward. Never had female friends. Got rejected a few times between 14-17. These rejections left me reeaalllly bitter and resentful of women in general....

Fast forward to 18-19. Id grown into a somewhat handsome dude, tall, and athletic, and through a combination of TRP/PUA material, and social observations, id learnt how to game and have sex with women... I started abusing alcohol & getting involved in Rave/Club culture (plenty of drugs involved etc), the drugs/alcohol masked my social akwardness and my N count skyrocketed....

Originally i thought that getting laid a bunch of times would quell my resentment towards women, and id settle down and get a girl... but that just didnt happen. TRP in particularly warped my worldview into the point of thinking that EVERY SINGLE CHICK HAD RIDDEN THE CAROUSEL... and to LTR any one of them would make me a cuck loser who was settling down for an ex slut that a plethora of chads before me had pump and dumped......

Ive never been able to rid myself of this paranoia, and for that reason i never settled down, i just continued to pump and dump.... none of the girls ive fucked have been virgins so i dont really see myself as damaging them. And even if i knew i was damaging them, i probably wouldnt care.

wtknight · 2019-09-22T13:36:45+00:00

Any woman can say no to a pick-up artist. The fact that some women can't says something about those women's character, positive or negative, depending upon your perspective. With that being said, I think that pick-up artists figure the same thing. "Good girls" will just say no to me. And if no women say no, then perhaps there really isn't such a thing as a "good girl."

Rabidstuffy · 2019-09-22T15:20:38+00:00

Young naieve woman are easy pickings. In a hilarious twist of fate women are the most foolish when they are also the most valuable.

They are also delusional about their own value. I'd like to be about to claim that by breaking them a bit they become more aware of which guys are in their league and which guys will commit but they don't.

If men actually cared about women and their future, and the children they are going to have, why in the world are they letting teenagers with no wisdom whose heads have been stuffed full of idiotic lies choose who they are going to get fucked by? You can't simultaneously state that you care about women and that you also want hormonal super horny idiot teenage girls to be free to all get fucked by the same few pieces of shit.

The conservatards answer for this is abstinence. Which is retarded young women are going to be having sex the choice is not have sex or not its who they have sex with. Our ancestors had a solution to this. It was get young girls married off. The progtards have a solution as well its to sterilize all the women and murder any baby around while demonizing the family so good moral people don't vomit in horror. Which just results in society dying out and being replaced by the great brown horde.

[deleted] · 2019-09-22T21:22:33+00:00

So? I’m no pickup artist, but it kind of seems like it’s not really their problem.

And why are you only asking PUAs here? Why not ask the frat dude who doesn’t even know what PUA is, or the hot dude on tinder who orders women to come to his apartment like it’s Uber eats. Most “PUAs” are these spergy dudes whose shit doesn’t work anyway because they aren’t hot enough. If you really want to get mad at someone, go bother an attractive fuckboy.

Geez, where’s that radar when you need it, amirite?

gprime · 2019-09-24T03:56:07+00:00

To pickup artists, why bother? You have the skills. You know these girls want more than what you offer. Go for the girl who knows what's going on. Additionally, sex in a relationship is much better. Why not foster something genuine, or at least not cause so much harm?

Why exactly should such men care? They are interested in getting their needs met, just as the women on whose behalf you lament are motivated by self-interest. If the collateral damage is to another equally self-interested party, so be it. Women are not owed anything by virtue of existing, and that includes the type of relationship and/or validation they crave. If they are stupid enough to fall for PUA tactics, none of which are especially brilliant or secret at this point, they deserve zero sympathy. Most women have no problem using men for their money, so why should men be reticent to use women for sex?

boardgaming234 · 2019-09-24T21:28:45+00:00

At the core of it, the idea of femininity and male domination is the culprit of our promiscuous yet antisocial dating culture. Men went to chase the idea of femininity, because they want to prove to themselves and other men their masculinity. It’s male domination. Women play the part and perform femininity.

This is why we get so many goddamned retarded people from both sides. You have men being furious at not being able to get laid because they’re insincere fucks who only want sex. That or they’re too nervous to go up to the girl they like and ask her out. Or maybe he’s pissed/apathetic because girls aren’t worth his time. Guys have all sorts of defense mechanisms to avoid being vulnerable.

The women side is so illogical that it gives me brain damage thinking about it. At the heart of it, these women just don’t understand that if you want to attract a certain type, you need to be someone that certain types want. It’s hilarious the amount of women who are fucking WAITING for the perfect guy to love them instead of becoming someone that’s worth it. They have this idea that you need a relationship to improve yourself and get relationship experience or something. The games that they play instead of being upfront is why PUA exists in the first place. “Keep him chasing”? “Have multiple guys to choose from”? “Don’t initiate texts to often?” If my gf did this I would have dumped her ass because this shit gives me anxiety.

Seriously, you want a decent and honest guy? Okay, take a look at yourself. Are you a honest and decent person? Are you sure? Then what makes you different? Honest people express themselves honestly. All I ever see on reddit in these female spaces almost NEVER have anything about how to be a better person, they just come in the the assumption that they’re good people. They’re just not being treated right by guys. It’s all about how to perform femininity better or be a stay at home mom or something. TwoXchromosomes? A validation circlejerk where women got upvoted doing the most basic of things. Get real.

I want you to know that whoever is reading this, you’re not a victim. It’s not unfair that you have to ask girls out, and you’re not more heavily invested in a relationship just because you’re a women. Fuck off with that shit. If you ever think that you need to play games, then get that shit fixed. People who love you don’t need to fucking play games.

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davidewan_ · 2019-09-22T10:22:44+00:00

Ive posted this before...theres a quote from Oscar Wilde - Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. I think thats your answer.

Willow-girl · 2019-09-22T13:10:01+00:00

Hard dicks have no conscience, but then neither do wet pussies.

rivertorain____ · 2019-09-22T07:58:21+00:00

Get real. No one is that "deeply attached" after sex once with someone, especially considering that it's so rare that the woman would orgasm (oxytocin).

He will always remain "the one that got away."

Lol I give it 2 months before she doesn't even think of him again; we (women) barely remember guys like this after a while. If anything, it will be him chasing her.

The men we remember are the ones that would have made good husbands. They're probably the beta boyfriends that we dated when we were younger.

rus9384 · 2019-09-22T10:15:46+00:00

You give PUAs too much credit. Women usually can't stand them.

There are men who are "naturally" attractive, including personality. But why would they bother if a girl is into casual sex or not? If she says "yes" they are gonna assume she is.

And yeah, men who have casual sex contribute into decline. Because they ENJOY it, duh.

[deleted] · 2019-09-22T11:37:48+00:00

If a dude gets skilled at PUA (5% of dudes who try it), he ill move from scarcity to abundance. So why would he settle when he has options?

Most omen are the same anyway once you have been with a few.

decoy88 · 2019-09-22T11:51:26+00:00

How does keeping inexperienced women in experienced help them in the long run?

You also mentioned that often women end up doing things they never thought they would. This is also known as discovering yourself

Very few women are wise to players and bad actors without first bring burnt by one.

The shit is a learning experience. They ain’t all pretty.

nevomintoarce · 2019-09-22T12:38:15+00:00

The pool of women who are DTF with any PUA is very small. You can have sex with way more women the younger you go and the more inexperienced they are.

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-09-22T14:37:05+00:00

Because

Sex.

I don't care what I do to get it or who gets hurt, I just want sex and Ill do what I have to. I see women as a resource to be used and discarded of.

Sex

Telling a woman your intentions will lower your success rate. For the most part, women either want to be "talked around" being a plate, or they dont want to be a plate so you have to trick them into it.

chomponthebit · 2019-09-22T18:23:26+00:00

Op is attributing morals and ethics to strategies for sexual selection. Boo fucking hoo, poor, naive, innocent women have no defence against evil players. Women - even the naive ones - are playing the game, too. Women choose players because such men exude the Machiavellian dark triad traits women spread their legs for. And since exactly none of these women were destroyed by the dude sitting at the back of the library, why the hell should anyone feel one iota of pity?

eboy4hire · 2019-09-22T19:46:25+00:00

Nobody is this good imo. The girl has to actively create this fantasy around you. I'd love someone to prove me wrong, but I don't think you will trigger these sorts of thoughts in every woman through skill. What makes you effective in the first place I imagine is that you're experienced, and she's not.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-09-22T23:21:42+00:00

I'm not a player I just fuck a lot.

ALeaf_OnThe_Wind · 2019-09-24T14:08:59+00:00

No I’m no pickup artist, but I definitely play the game with zero guilt. Why? Because it WORKS.

Someone’s gonna use these strategies to get these girls because they always fall for it. So if someone’s gonna get laid it might as well be me, if women don’t want these shitty practices done to them, they need to stop letting it work on them. It’s not my fucking problem.

Realistic_Status · 2019-09-24T19:17:07+00:00

dude you seem like a hater like the rest of society who hates pickup artist. why not just go work on yourself instead of hating on pickup artist who have worked on themselves and earned it. Girls are not dumb and we as pick up artist we know that. We pick up artist know that if a girl is drunk than its a bit easier than the girl who is sober. We are also not stupid we just dont sleep with girls who are super intoxicated. some can be stupid enough to sleep with them while they are intoxicated but those are the dudes who are extremely stupid. Those are the guys who end up getting rape charges. We know what consent is and we know how to use it.

Pickup artists who has their shit handled are guys who have many options of women. thats why they dont worry on who they are going to end up with. he could have hundreds of break ups initiated by chicks and he wont even worry about them. In a week he will find a new gf. If you havent noticed women love men who already has abundance in women. Women will get attracted to a guy who already has about 10 girls friends as friends because they think that type of dude is a safe dude. Women are extremely attracted to it. its harsh but its reality. If your a loner than women will erase you from their lifes for ever.

mylifesux62 · 2019-09-22T05:43:30+00:00

Duh. To feel pleasure in their pp.

MatSapientia · 2019-09-22T10:57:57+00:00

The “why” question can help you see the problem

The “how” will help you find a solution

A very honest and good question

I’ll give you a very honest answer. it’s a true solution that has been tested and succeeded for over thousand years.

A System: - That recognizes all sexual dynamics, enforces rules to guarantees optimal ratio between reality, satisfaction and re-productivity. Recognizes biological differences between male and female. Gives each gender a specific set of rights and duties which aren’t equal but just.

that punishes trespassing the rights of the other as well as lack of commitment to duties.
where women get to enjoy high value men while forcing men to take responsibility for these women.
- Where a woman has duties to fulfill for that man, or otherwise she loses her rights of provisioning..

Sadly this system is the opposite of popular outside its society. Many will shut it out before even truly researching it.

This unpopular system is : Islam.

Why do I say Islam, not just islamic social system? Because for most people it won’t make sense to take just a screw from the Ikea package and throw the rest away. You can’t get a screw to take the place of the rest of the closet. You have to use the whole package for it to work.

Feminism is extreme, TRP is extreme.. Islam cherry picks the good of both worlds. Though it existed before both.

[deleted] · 2019-09-22T08:49:01+00:00

Men are contributing but women are the cause. End of story.

Fly_Guy_97 · 2019-09-22T07:34:47+00:00

sex in a relationship is much better

Men who have “good game” get less sex in a relationship, and are now restricted to one person. Seems like a lose lose situation

Title	Pickup artists why do you do it? Alpha widowing damages women for life.
Author	Whiteberry
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Date	September 22, 2019 4:47 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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