CMV: "The wall" is just a wish fulfillment fantasy for misogynists

TheGreasyPole · 2017-05-12T12:24:21+00:00

I think a lot of your views above are caused by a misunderstanding.

RP would say your RMV peak as a female is very early 20s. Let's say 22.

From there is declines very slowly and gradually up until about 27-28. So at (say) 28 you are still at "90% of peak".

At that point it starts to decline more rapidly, a heavier slope, such that although you only lost 10% in the 6 years since peak, in the next 7 years to 35 it drops maybe 25% more. Much more rapid, but still a slow decline, and so you are at 2/3rds of your peak by 35.

Then it accelerates massively. This is "the true wall". Between 35-40 you probably drop off half of your remainder or more. So (by 40) your are at only 20% or less of your 22 yo peak attractiveness.

That last part is "the wall" and you aren't there yet. The problem women have is they assume, just as you are doing, that "my experience 20-30 where I saw only a gradual decline of male interest will be repeated 30-40" and so they believe "I've got plenty of time".

They don't. It accelerates. And by the time they realise they've gone through a phase change it can easily be very late in the day, perhaps too late to "get a great mate" that their 23 yo self could have easily got. They can't get those guys anymore, and the guys they can get at that point are much lower quality (because the high quality ones are already married or dating 25yo girls not 35 yo girls).

Your experiences prior to 30 are not a good guide to your post 30 experiences as a woman in the smp.

Don't say RP didn't give you fair warning. :)

Edit: graph added to illustrate concept, not mine and ive described the true wall slightly later but it gives you the general idea...

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-05-12T12:50:24+00:00

I feel like "The Wall" is just a label like a lot of the labels in TRP that make stand in for a concept. As long as we stay attractive there's some guy that will be interested in us. I'm younger than you and even I can tell things won't always be like they were when I was 21. I'm glad things are going so well for you, you're a lucky girl. Usually people that have it so good have a little more charity for those that don't.

Ultramegasaurus · 2017-05-12T13:28:33+00:00

What the wall is not: A hard limit for a woman to attract ANY man. Always results in bitterness and depression.

What the wall IS: A soft, individual limit for a woman to attract a man that fulfills her high standards completely. Might result in bitterness and depression.

trpobserver · 2017-05-12T11:15:23+00:00

I'm a women in my late 20s

In other words, your own experience doesn't really say anything about the wall.

alreadyredschool · 2017-05-12T10:51:42+00:00

Cmv Mid 20 women are hotter than mid 30 or mid 40 women.

Nobody denies that men are thirsty and women of all kinds can get laid/relationships. Pretty much all things being equal which woman will have a higher smv/social desirability/more high quality options a mid twenty or a mid forty woman?

Peter5930 · 2017-05-12T11:18:51+00:00

It's overstated; women can, if they want, and sometimes do, get all the sex and attention that men desperately wish they could get, but which is disallowed to them by virtue of their gender being on the wrong side of the dating equation. Even when men start moving into their prime in their 30's and women are declining, women still have a massive advantage, and pretty much never lose it. The only wall is that women start struggling relative to other women who're younger and hotter than them; they never struggle relative to men because women blow men right out of the water at any age.

Men just get bitter about it, especially when women deny they have this advantage or say it's not an advantage because they don't want to sleep around anyway or that kind of thing. It's like someone with superpowers who says they're just like you and then doesn't understand why you bitch about your 60 minute commute to work when they just fly to work superman-style, and tells you that you just need to try harder to fly like they do.

ppdthrowawai · 2017-05-12T15:45:39+00:00

Sounds like you're having a nice experience fucking a bunch of dudes. That's cool, enjoy it. Are we supposed to be impressed that an average looking 29 year old woman can get casual sex if she goes looking for it? This isn't an astonishing revelation as much as you pretend it is. The wall is conceptual and has to do with market trends, of which their is plenty of data to support. Why do you think it's presented as a supply/demand type curve? If you really wanted to make a good point, you're going to have to argue the market model or the supporting evidence. Does supply and demand affect women differently than men as they age? Do wrinkles affect male and female attractiveness differently or maybe they wrinkle equally (Hint: They don't. The connective tissues in men is denser)

Men have a harder time finding partners but women have to deal with constant unwanted attention and threats to our safety. I laugh at every guy who claims that men have it worse just because he can't get his dick wet as much as he wants.

So women have it worse, mens struggles are laughable, and loser men should be shamed. OP Also thinks the wall is between 16 and 22, when it is placed by most sources around 30, tied to when female fertility starts to drop. For reference, OP is confusing peak attractiveness/fertility with the wall.

CMV if you can. I'm perfectly open to hearing logical arguments even though I'm not expecting much.

Lol. How open minded of you.

alby333 · 2017-05-12T13:14:45+00:00

Apparently in the uk at least women who are divorced re enter the dating pool as their kids leagally become adults and child support stops my freind regularly gets asked to move in with people after a matter of weeks. Makes me think many of these woman are keen to snare another beta bux

prodigy2throw · 2017-05-12T14:05:55+00:00

The wall relates to women struggling to get high value men to commit to them and inject them with babies. Any woman can get dicked down at any age if she stays relatively in shape.

Saint_Chad_of_Mercia · 2017-05-12T15:39:40+00:00

The concept of ''the wall'' doesn't make any sense.

People generally date within their age range, so gradually deteriorating looks don't matter that much, as you aren't competing for, or competing with, people 10-20 years younger than you.

Both men and women are obviously more sexually attractive in their 20's than their 30's, but that's not important as they are in a different dating crowd.

breakfasttopiates · 2017-05-12T16:18:42+00:00

When you have to start approaching guys you're fucked lol. And you're only late 20s? Yeah enjoy while it lasts

topapito · 2017-05-12T18:40:40+00:00

Lots of errant comments here. I'll start off with this. The wall has nothing to do with hooking up or one night stands. Hands down, a woman any age can and will get laid at exponentially higher numbers than Brad Pitt at any age. Especially a woman who has a keen interest in maintaining her body, exercising and generally with a decent body fat count.

The wall is mostly biological. It does exist, it is real. A woman's ability to have children decreases after 30, without changing her ability to ride the cock carousel. So she may have to do more approaching, but hey, that is also hot.

The wall affects those women with the house and the white picket fence and 2.5 children mentality and it is here that they find themselves hurrying to find someone to marry that will provide them with the security they have been taught to expect from marriage and motherhood. All hamstering by society BTW.

OP, seriously, kudos to you if you're riding the CC and having a good time. The biological wall is going to hit you just as old age is going to shrivel my dick. But the fact that you seem to have dispensed with the pressures of society and may not want children, or do but are willing to be unconventional in how and when you do have them, means that you have found a way to circumvent the biological wall and are living your life on your terms.

Not everyone fits into the same shoe. Expecting you to fit into the preconceived notion of a supply and demand reality however real it is to some, does not make for a wise human. There are exceptions to each rule and you seem to think you have it covered.

What I don't think you will find is a true Redpill man to rescue you and give you the type of life that someone else may expect you to want. And you seem to be fine with that, and I can respect that. But your example does in no way negate the biological wall or erase the supply and demand system. Both exist, you just seem to not be affected by it as much. /u/SilentLurker666 pasted a link that offers if not proof, a very good read on the biological wall. That cannot be denied with a straight face. The market values is also pretty solidly backed up. From claiming you are not affected by them, to outright claiming they don't exist, you are negating science and pretty common knowledge.

I have not seen our planet earth from space, that does not mean it is flat. I do not feel the need to see it from space, I'll trust the pictures and testimony of those who have. Still doesn't mean it's flat.

DeathByBeelzie · 2017-05-12T12:13:11+00:00

OK so I am gonna be 28 in a few months and all of my female friends are around the same age. It's all over the board tbh, from easily finding relationships to pump and dumps and to being alone for years at a time. The quality of men has mostly dropped from what I can observe, but not the quantity.

I don't think it matters how old my female friends have become and mostly that they date guys only a few years older then themselfs. As they get older they date older guys. Most guys past 30 fall into two categories. Guys that have almost no relationship experience and would take a fuckton amount of work to make into good partners(betas maybe?) and dudes that want nothing serious and are just looking for sex(alphas).

BPremium · 2017-05-12T13:00:22+00:00

The wall doesnt exist if she keeps trying. Once she stops caring and gains weight, then it becomes a real thing.

SilentLurker666 · 2017-05-12T16:33:42+00:00

Female fertility is affected by age. Age is thus a major fertility factor for women. After puberty, female fertility increases and then decreases, with advanced maternal age causing an increased risk of female infertility. In humans, a woman's fertility peaks in the early and mid-20s, after which it starts to decline slowly. While many sources suggest a more dramatic drop at around 35,[1] this is unclear since studies are still cited from the nineteenth century.[2] One 2004 study of European women found fertility of the 27-34 and the 35–39 groups had only a four-percent difference.[3] At age 45, a woman starting to try to conceive will have no live birth in 50–80 percent of cases.[4] Menopause, or the cessation of menstrual periods, generally occurs in the 40s and 50s and marks the cessation of fertility, although age-related infertility can occur before then.[5] The relationship between age and female fertility is popularly referred to as a woman's "biological clock"; when a woman reaches an age where fertility is commonly understood to drop, it can be said that her "biological clock is ticking."[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility

You can certain argue that if the male partner seeks to have children, an older female (with other factors being equivalent) will be less desirable due to the risk and chances of old age pregnancy.

After point that the BP side actually bought up: Men has more options as they get older because how men can date younger female but society is less accepting when the genders are reversed... so the question about "the wall" is really just simply supply and demand.

exit_sandman · 2017-05-12T16:34:09+00:00

For your reading pleasure.

Transmigratory · 2017-05-12T19:47:18+00:00

I'm going to start placing bets before looking into these threads, that most CMVs like this are made from a misunderstanding from a view which triggered the reader.

Though, I reckon age is a sensitive topic here.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-05-12T20:39:34+00:00

Keep using "misogyny" this way and it soon will lose all meaning

Eastuss · 2017-05-12T10:46:28+00:00

Humble brag post?

The fact is simple: After your reach 20 year old, your highest SMV potential is going to decrease no matter what.

There are plenty of young women that are good looking at 20, but from their body type you can tell in 10 year they're going to look like shit. Of course there will be women that can stay very attractive for decades past that point and that's ok.

Don't neglect how fast women's SMV can decrease, sometimes, just one pregnancy is enough. :) I guess you've not gotten pregnant yet.

The thing is, unlike men, women's SMV is almost exclusively about their body. Men's SMV can always be increased and worked on and suffers way less from time.

Women also have a short timespan to produce children. From what I read, It seems really difficult to start a family as an old childless woman.

Clock's ticking, you're soon 30 and you've not secured chad yet? Good luck because the highest value you can get is only decreasing with time.

AutoModerator · 2017-05-12T10:34:49+00:00

Attention!

You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message.
For "CMV" and "Question for X" Threads: Parent comments that aren't from the target group will be removed, along with their child replies.
If you want to agree with OP instead of challenging their view or if the question is not targeted at you, post it as an answer to this comment.
OP you can choose your own flair according to these guidelines., just press Flair under your post!

Thanks for your cooperation and enjoy the discussion!

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

Temperfuelmma · 2017-05-12T13:16:43+00:00

Hahahahahahahaha

All them bitches hit the wall. You'll still get attention and if you wanted sex but not from men you want. Those men will be after tasty 20 year olds not your stretched out stinky 30 year old ass pussy get out of here 😂

Peter5930 · 2017-05-12T14:34:44+00:00

Your not open to changing your view.

In other comments your appropriating any change that has occurred without giving notice to that change. If you have to approach guys to get them to notice you thats a significant change than if you didn't have to do that before.

More important question, are you able to get and hookup with guys younger than you? Do you see mid 30's women getting early to mid 20's guys?

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2017-05-12T14:50:45+00:00

Now I wont pretend that things don't change at all with each. Things did get a bit harder and I had to learn to start approaching guys a lot more instead of just waiting to be approached, but I'm not having anywhere near the kind of problems that "post wall" women are supposed to be having, and neither are any of the older women I know.

I think you summed it up here. I've noticed that women do start to change as they're no longer in their early prime. They start to grow up a little more, mature a bit, and learn more about life (as do the men). It may not be some huge struggle as some people might describe, but it seems that women have to do a bit more work as they get older (even if it's just approaching guys rather than sitting around waiting to be approached). When they were younger, things fell into their lap and they didn't even have to try very hard. But once they get to the point where they actually have to do real work to get what they want, that's when the rubber meets the road.

The only women I've seen struggle are ones who have serious personality issues like anxiety, depression, neediness, or poor social skills, but those are problems they've always had that have nothing to do with age.

It may have something to do with age, at least in the sense that the more experiences and years one has under one's belt, the more likely one will accumulate emotional baggage which leads to anxiety, depression, neediness, etc.

TheHeroReditDeserves · 2017-05-12T15:56:46+00:00

I would not say that's 100% true only mostly true

consios88 · 2017-05-12T18:11:06+00:00

I dont know why people are in denial about the truth people still trying to deny the wall , is like denying people get old both men and women hit the wall. Dont even know why this is an argument.

Title	CMV: "The wall" is just a wish fulfillment fantasy for misogynists
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	7
Comments	205
Date	May 12, 2017 10:34 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6aqihj/cmv_the_wall_is_just_a_wish_fulfillment_fantasy/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/cmv-the-wall-is-just-a-wish-fulfillment-fantasy.268162 https://theredarchive.com/post/268162

Comments