Seems about right

Klexosinfreefall · 2022-12-30T19:56:21+00:00

I wonder if a woman would commit a crime on behalf of a man? I wonder if a woman would commit a crime knowing she wouldn't go to prison? I wonder if a woman could be used by a man knowing she couldn't go to prison? Worse yet, I wonder if a man would force a woman to commit a crime knowing she wouldn't go to prison?

Since these are obvious questions, the answers are just as obvious. And since this is a 2014 article and we are now in nearly 2023, we have seen what a society looks like with women no longer going to prison and it's everything I just asked questions to.

Sandwhale123 · 2022-12-30T23:59:34+00:00

They're getting bolder on saying they shouldn't take responsibility on any of their actions

chocolatecows88 · 2022-12-30T19:15:14+00:00

Edit: /s for the title. I didn’t think it would be needed. I just posted this because I thought that this is such an asinine idea that women shouldn’t be in prison for crimes they commit, while men do. I know the article is old, but we still see this play out today. That somehow your chromosomes dictate the level of punishment for the same crime.

Also - this is the entire article, idk why it got formatted into snippets like this

I don’t agree with this at all 👍🏻

It sounds like a radical idea: Stop incarcerating women, and close down women’s prisons. But in Britain, there is a growing movement, sponsored by a peer in the House of Lords, to do just that.

The argument is actually quite straightforward: There are far fewer women in prison than men to start with — women make up just 7 percent of the prison population. This means that these women are disproportionately affected by a system designed for men.

But could women’s prisons actually be eliminated in the United States, where the rate of women’s incarceration has risen by 646 percent in the past 30 years? The context is different, but many of the arguments are the same.

Essentially, the case for closing women’s prisons is the same as the case for imprisoning fewer men. It is the case against the prison industrial complex and for community-based treatment where it works better than incarceration. But there is evidence that prison harms women more than men, so why not start there?

Any examination of the women who are in U.S. prisons reveals that the majority are nonviolent offenders with poor education, little employment experience and multiple histories of abuse from childhood through adulthood. Women are also more likely than men to have children who rely on them for support — 147,000 American children have mothers in prison.

The United States is a prison nation. More than 1.5 million people are incarcerated in the country. And this obsession with punishment is expensive. Cumulatively, states spend more than $52 billion a year on their prison systems. The federal government also spends tens of billions to police, prosecute and imprison people, though research demonstrates that incarceration harms individual well-being and does not improve public safety.

What purpose is served by subjecting the most disempowered, abused and nonviolent women to the perpetually negative environment of prisons?

Efforts to make prison “work” for women have only perpetuated the growth of the prison industrial complex. These putative reforms have helped some individuals, and possibly brought the nature of mass warehousing of poor, black and brown bodies more into focus, but the number of incarcerated people still continues to rise.

Community interventions work

So what is the alternative to jailing women at the rate we do? In Britain, advocates propose community sentences for nonviolent offenders and housing violent offenders in small custodial centers near their families.

There is evidence that these approaches can work in the United States. Opportunities to test alternatives to prison are increasing across the states, and some have demonstrated beneficial results for the women who participated.

For example, state-funded Project Redeploy in Illinois has built upon the evidence that nonviolent offenders are more effectively treated in their communities by diverting 1,376 nonviolent offenders from prison since January 2011, when the program began, through the end of 2013.

Oklahoma is currently ranked No. 1 for female incarceration per capita in the country. Nearly 80 percent of Oklahoma’s incarcerated women are nonviolent offenders, their presence in prison largely attributed to drug abuse, distribution of controlled substances, prostitution and property crimes.

A program that began five years ago, Women in Recovery, provides an alternative to prison for women who are sentenced for felony crimes linked to alcohol or drug addiction. The program includes comprehensive treatment and services such as employment services, housing assistance and family reunification. Women with small children are given the highest priority for admission to the program. Women who complete the program, averaging about 18 months, have a high degree of success after release.

The program coordinator has told me that 68 percent of the women who completed the program had no further involvement with the criminal justice system.

Even as we learn about promising diversion programs for women, are we really ready to shut down women’s prisons? If we think of abolition as a citizens’ effort and believe that women should be allowed to jump the queue for transport along the path of recovery and healing, there are steps that must be taken from a feminist perspective.

We need to understand the harm embedded in the current prison system and explore what alternative responses already exist. For example, Susan Burton, the founder of A New Way of Life, a group of transition homes for women exiting prison in Los Angeles, indicates that an abolitionist perspective transforms the lives of former prisoners. Direct assistance from this program reconnects women to their families, communities and citizenship. Circle processes used by indigenous communities in the United States, Canada and New Zealand provide models for these practices.

The systemic production of mass incarceration cannot be solved simply by assisting troubled and troubling individual women. Another step to abolition requires taking the discussion beyond the individuals and communities most directly harmed, controlled and erased by the prison industrial complex to the public sphere that has passively accepted it. Put simply, we need to stop seeing prisons as an inevitable part of life.

If we can’t close down women’s prisons, we can at least slow down their expansion. Efforts to isolate women from their communities must be identified and opposed.

In Denver, for example, the Fail the Jail campaign helped defeat the addition of new jail beds. Instead, the director of the state’s community reentry project told me that alternatives have proven to help individual women and change community attitudes.

The case for closing women’s prisons is built on the experiences of formerly incarcerated women and activists who recognize that women who are mothers and community builders can find their way forward when they respected and supported. It is possible to imagine a future without women’s prisons; whether it’s achievable will require a bigger shift in thinking.

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.

Adventurous-Hawk-235 · 2022-12-30T21:18:23+00:00

Wow, these people really don't have a high opinion on women do they?

JerichoRevival · 2022-12-30T23:15:18+00:00

This is basically already the case.

A study was done a few years ago showing the same judges tend to give women a 90% shorter sentence when compared to men for the same crime.

Njaulv · 2022-12-30T21:06:34+00:00

Meanwhile women's prisons are like a hotel or campus dorm compared to male prisons when it comes to how they are set up. That is of course not enough though. Plus the disparity in sentencing that feminists go on and on about when it comes to race, yet are silent about when it comes to gender.

equalRights111 · 2022-12-30T21:14:14+00:00

All in the name of gender ‘equality’.

CawlinAlcarz · 2022-12-30T19:38:16+00:00

The United States has a prison problem that is focused around privately run prisons.

The War on Drugs has done a great deal to line the pockets of private prison corporations and keep politicians flush with campaign funding from those corporate donors.

The answer is not to remove the possibility of prison from women. We see how women act in the absence of deterrents. Consider the deterrent that men live under with every single face to face interaction they have: there's a pretty good chance that if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person, you're going to wind up throwing hands.

With women, not only is the likelihood of a man slugging them reduced by social pressure, but a man defending himself against a violent woman also risks extreme legal implications... and women know this... and use it to their advantage. If they could literally get away with murder and not be incarcerated, you'd see anarchy in a fucking hurry.

Also, and importantly, it's well known that the isolation of men from the community through incarceration is just as, if not more harmful (by virtue of the rate of its occurrence and the lopsided nature of the much longer prison sentences that men get for the same crimes women commit), but nobody gives a shit about that apparently, right?

THAT_LMAO_GUY · 2022-12-30T20:43:17+00:00

The UK Green Party actrually had this as a campaign promise.

I would bring it up as insane to my left wing friends and they would accuse me of telling lies.

Then I would bring up the website showing: no prison for women (except extreme circumstances like murder)

Then they would suddenly say well its obviously a good idea.

It was amazing to watch the cognitive dissonance and was almost like witnessing NPC or chatbot programming but in a human being.

It was like an anti-turing test. I could make smart left wing people act like a chatbot with no reasoning ability or memory of their own views from even 30 seconds in the past.

atlas794 · 2022-12-30T22:48:21+00:00

This is loose vag energy.

Mortago_109 · 2022-12-30T20:24:00+00:00

He specifically includes murder in the article.

RatDontPanic · 2022-12-30T21:52:15+00:00

A woman rips the baby out of a pregnant woman, killing the mother.

This prison reform law keeps her out of jail.

HERPADERRRRP!!!

Law gets changed back to common sense mode and the politicians and feminists who made this disaster happen get run out of the country by armies of angry women

THE END

Taxfraub · 2022-12-31T05:27:17+00:00

that’s gotta be satire no way somebody would actually be that insane

Minute_Ad_1494 · 2022-12-30T22:16:10+00:00

Patricia definitely has some skeletons in her closet

2022-12-30T22:28:53+00:00

So basically no accountability? Noted

Shadowdragon409 · 2022-12-31T02:23:13+00:00

While that is a wildly out of touch article, I don't think it's very relevant to the discussion of Men's Rights. Especially since it's from 2014.

That being said, I do agree that we should incarcerate people less. Prisons need to be socialized. Ran by the government, focused on rehabilitation instead of some kind of punishment. Right now it has it's own fucking culture, and inmates who are released are much more likely to get sent back. It's fucking brutal in there, almost like a fucking warzone all the time.

Komdodge · 2022-12-31T15:39:43+00:00

What about men innocent men makes my feel to hate the world much

gafgone5 · 2022-12-31T16:07:42+00:00

If I had a nickel every time a woman has asked me to break the law on her behalf.... I'd be richer than Bezos

Party-Stormer · 2022-12-30T23:05:41+00:00

Would this apply to Gislaine Maxwell too? Sex trafficking and all?

pn1159 · 2022-12-31T00:28:25+00:00

Where do women get such stupid ideas from.

TheNerdWonder · 2022-12-31T10:44:41+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/zzc734/trying_to_get_feminists_to_answer_how_women_have/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

The one in the purple shirt and pearls is right. Feminism is not about equality. It maybe was at one point but nowadays, it's not. It is plainly about women using whatever means they have available to enshrine special treatment and privileges -- the very thing they often chastise MRAs and men in general for having.

The bottom line upfront (BLUF) -- they're gender supremacists.

Zeioth · 2022-12-30T23:33:01+00:00

Do they accept internet trolls on newspapers now? This really is the future.

silvrado · 2022-12-31T01:16:53+00:00

The harder you steer left, the harder voters turn right.

Disney_minus55 · 2022-12-31T01:03:56+00:00

Lol I read the article just now and the woman acts like women are impossible to be criminals😂 She brought up dumb arguments that could be used for saying both men and women shouldn’t be imprisoned and she acted like only woman can do it.

She gave a reason for her argument and just said “women are mothers so they shouldn’t be imprisoned.” As if men aren’t also parents, and as if that takes away from the crime they committed😂

skllyskullstyle · 2022-12-31T02:37:41+00:00

I looked at Patricia O Brian's pfp and she already looks like a weirdo liar.

Imagine how she sees people are not easily fooled on r/anti-feminist, r/pussypassdenied, r/MensRights, And she sees that reality is the total opposite. Women have little chances of going to jail Especially if the crime is something associated with being male.

So she's tripping balls. And I know that if I were to read her article it's all going be pulled out her @$$.

OrionBartholomew · 2022-12-31T10:45:01+00:00

Women are the privileged gender. Men are the oppressed gender. Don't give women the Sword of Damocles over your life. Stay single. Stay sovereign. Stay free.

outhouse_wholesaler · 2022-12-31T14:58:55+00:00

Just what they need… even less accountability

63daddy · 2022-12-31T15:37:07+00:00

One of the many examples of feminists wanting advantages for women, not gender equality.

PrimeWolf88 · 2022-12-31T09:17:12+00:00

"Post Everything"

Even if it's ridiculous, unworkable, sexist, far left bullshit?

mvslice · 2022-12-31T00:33:42+00:00

A screenshot of an opinion piece from 8 years ago? Are you just looking to be mad?

AffectionateSkin26 · 2022-12-31T04:01:51+00:00

Remember guys, women are equal to men. Somehow

Wilddog73 · 2022-12-31T06:27:39+00:00

Just gonna crosspost this in r/nottheonion ...

HythlodaeusHuxley · 2022-12-31T07:47:33+00:00

Meanwhile in the US private youth prisons profit judges who get kickbacks for sending elementary school boys to prison with grown men. Gotta love American Capitalism. A few years ago my state (Indiana) had the youngest male in prison for life - I believe he was 12.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118108084/michael-conahan-mark-ciavarella-kids-for-cash

crippledhermit · 2022-12-31T08:06:33+00:00

More and more, disappearing into the hills and going, yes, hermit really appeals.

Fuck this society.

yashspartan · 2022-12-31T09:14:32+00:00

That article speaks volumes... about how incompetent the author is.

griii2 · 2022-12-31T11:11:37+00:00

A new addition to r/ToxicFeminismIsToxic, thank you!

aircoft · 2022-12-31T13:54:13+00:00

Lol, could you imagine....

ChaosOpen · 2022-12-31T01:08:12+00:00

I don't see the Bee being able to match this. Poe's law is officially in effect and anything the Bee comes up with will be a rallying cry for feminist.

JudgementalChair · 2022-12-31T04:42:05+00:00

Like 3 posts above this was "Woman who fatally stabbed 2 sons gets handed life sentence" What kind of clown shit is this author smoking?

Ko_oK_24685 · 2022-12-31T06:32:11+00:00

I agree, electric chair all the way

17_yr_o_nibba · 2022-12-31T09:47:53+00:00

Define 'anything'

ThatGIRLkimT · 2023-01-02T05:14:44+00:00

I bet to disagree

ShandyFatGirl · 2022-12-30T19:19:14+00:00

yes, i also base my beliefs on what "posteverything" has said

Shreddersaurusrex · 2022-12-31T15:52:08+00:00

Nope

AgeOfReasonEnds31120 · 2023-01-01T17:59:01+00:00

Uhh...

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-01-02T02:59:18+00:00

Oh boy, looks like the old way of a man answering for a wife's crime is coming back.

Why the blazes is society going backwards in time on many fronts? We have plenty of information, no need for history to repeat itself.

techtesh · 2023-01-10T20:10:15+00:00

Fuck it I identify as a women, time to make a bunch of nukes and let's destroy a couple of countries

Title	Seems about right
Author	chocolatecows88
Upvotes	1129
Comments	78
Date	December 30, 2022 7:12 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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