Why does all Men's advice keeps revolving around women?

heeroena · 2023-09-28T06:30:03+00:00

Because we live in a gynocentric social order

Contranovae · 2023-09-28T10:15:54+00:00

Society regards women as human beings and men as human doings.

Not my quote, it came from the venerable man woman myth series.

KrazyJazz · 2023-09-28T10:54:35+00:00

Because gender roles are still up and running. But just for men. Women can do whatever they want while concomitantly consider themselves victims of the almighty patriarchy.

Us? We still have to work to our bones, be chivalrous, pay, pay and pay, provide, die in wars and shut the fuck up about it.

Equality, man. Marvelous.

walterwallcarpet · 2023-09-28T06:54:03+00:00

What if women's expectations were unrealistic..?

TheAngriestDwarf · 2023-09-28T10:32:07+00:00

Personally I've just started focusing on myself and doing things I love. Make friends, hangout playing games like DND, and work a fulfilling job even if the pay isn't great because your happiness matters.

I'm 32 and idgaf about societal norms. Do things for yourself because they make you happy, not because it might get you laid.

grimmjoww · 2023-09-28T11:50:39+00:00

Most men haven't had women want them so they haven't been able to learn the lesson that it means shit all and will either be permanent in the race of outcompeting womens hedonistic adaptation or will become depressed when they get it.

They also don't have the emotional tools to analyse what they want and why and thus are looking female validation for broken selfesteems.

another-cosplaytriot · 2023-09-28T07:19:40+00:00

They are most of the problem.

Zestyclose-Owl-2036 · 2023-09-28T12:26:09+00:00

Totally agree. But in many ways that was the purpose of the original MGTOW idea - go your own way and if a female adds to your life as opposed to detracting from it then fine, if not do whatever makes you happy and better.

Buckowski66 · 2023-09-28T15:40:36+00:00

That's why I left the other men's subs, every question was about how to talk to girls, simp for girls or complaining about not having a girlfriend. Mostly 20 somethings who will eventually drill holes in pumpkins for relief.

lifesuckswannadie · 2023-09-28T11:02:39+00:00

Because for most men the problem right now is they're lonely and want women

diacylglycerol83 · 2023-09-28T14:24:44+00:00

Conservatism is based upon male servitude to governments, corporations and women.

Redpillers are failed conservatives or men larping as the top 1% and saying the system works for elite men and you are just a loser.

Deadwalking2k · 2023-09-28T16:07:30+00:00

We need to completely free ourselves from women’s opinions ions and influence. That’s the only way men have hope and going at it alone.

AnotherPhilosopher · 2023-09-28T11:43:05+00:00

Perception is reality. Take all the advice to DO THINGS FOR WOMEN and just do it, but FOR YOURSELF. Most the advice works just fine, the advice is just easier to market to more people if you say women love if you do this and that and what the fuck ever. Just do shit for yourself. Women tend to be the best waste of time that will fuck your life more than anything.

anthonyhceo · 2023-09-28T14:27:51+00:00

Great observation. I agree, advice shouldn't revolve around women. MGTOW, RedPill, etc... are stand ins for conversations we used to have with our fathers, elders, mentors, peers in safe spaces for men. Many of us no longer have these safe spaces. My father gave me great advice on life and not just about women. He taught me how to work, wake up early, fish, shoot a gun, not boast, and get things done. Saturdays were our time when my brothers and I would hang with my Dad while my Mom stayed home doing her thing. I'm in my 40's, passing these lessons down to my son any chance I get.

Many of my peers never got much by way of advice from their Dads. Church attendance is down, as are membership numbers in the free masons, elks lodges, etc... most men don't have a poker night, no pressure releases from their old ball and chain, many of us that could mentor the younger generation, or each other, but no longer have the places to do so. Extended families are smaller these days, less connected too.

In short... Redpill and MGTOW communities have filled the vacuum.

IceCorrect · 2023-09-28T06:44:11+00:00

Everything is about sex, expect sex. Sex is about power

papo4ever · 2023-09-28T15:07:40+00:00

In the red-pill forums is not only about women, its a lot about exercise, lifting, and even a lot about philosophy. They are strong in the no-fap, no-gaming and no-drugs (except if the drugs are steroids, then they are OK, lmao).

Killersmile60 · 2023-09-28T17:21:45+00:00

Society would come to a screeching halt if Men started doing what was best for them.

You think it's in a man's best interest to be working dangerous jobs (oil rigs, construction, etc.), but someone's got to do it if you want all those conveniences. More and more men are withdrawing from society, whether that be self deletion, or plots of land away from society. It's coming, it's so fucking clear.

The whole narrative about be a provider, support a family, be a good man, blah blah blah, that's so that the rich can enjoy their lifestyles. The reason Andrew Tate is so dangerous to society, is because he could rally the discontent men, and that would be a DANGER to those in power right now.

Common_Lime_6167 · 2023-09-28T23:10:59+00:00

I'm gay and periodically get women try to attack me for "not doing enough for women". Not my responsibility, same as it's not a lesbian's responsibility to help a straight guy (although some of them experience some of the same issues so their opinions can surprise).

VivaIlSesso · 2023-09-28T14:21:38+00:00

I think you said it. Genitals. Most men are pretty much always horny, and that's a constant problem they (we) have to deal with or try to solve on a daily basis

TheCarBun · 2023-09-28T08:18:29+00:00

Hey I'm looking to work on self improvement too. Is it possible for me to join that group?

Or maybe some tips can help if you have any(I'm in my early 20s rn, still studying)

ShennongjiaPolarBear · 2023-09-28T13:56:33+00:00

It's because most men's lives revolve the pursuit of women. It's mostly habit and peer pressure, like heterosexuality in general.

risingSon1212 · 2023-09-28T13:42:25+00:00

i have been in manosphere since 2008 even before that it started with PUAs it was all about how to woo girls etc while MRAs and MGTOWs were still present they came into prominence since 2010 and it mostly was about men and woman relationships after that it evolved to advice about other things to men

Life choices, economics, health etc was also there in videos but when videos got into ides about how to handle marriage or not to get into marriage but weird thing happened nearly during 2015 - 16 most of those channels got banned and only those videos that revolved around woman stayed

Pozos1996 · 2023-09-28T15:04:47+00:00

If you take the sex out of the equation I think that the problems one would have are the same regardless of sex so the advices can be given to everyone.

What I mean is, if it's money problems one is shaving his sex doesn't play a big role but when it's relationship problems then it does.

Cotehill · 2023-09-28T16:04:56+00:00

Men’s Rights are not solely about dating, but they are about lack of equality with regard to women.

Men’s issues are not just about women either. They are about education, social constructs, lack of value, suicide, false accusations, lack of principles, prison sentencing, presumption of guilt, finance, purpose, merit, logic and biased legislation among others. I suggest you look wider.

Catch-the-Rabbit · 2023-09-28T16:26:29+00:00

Same reason this sub does too, id imagine.

No-Cable7745 · 2023-09-28T17:36:19+00:00

I feel that the only way you can win a game which you have no desire to participate and it is utterly hard is not to play. So, just take care of yourself and ignore the rest. Simple.

Away_Entrance1185 · 2023-09-28T19:36:46+00:00

It is because men have been "Nullified" in gender discourse, as the academics say.

Tovo34 · 2023-09-28T20:06:19+00:00

Collect retro games and action figures - that's the only thing we have that's purely ours

rabel111 · 2023-09-28T20:50:06+00:00

Ideologically influenced schools of academic research, like psychology and sociology, dominated by women and led by feminist ideologues, have no method of framing men and boys as human beings, and can only understand men and boys in terms of their impact on women and girls. Its the limitation of their ideological sources and precedents.

This is the litnus test of services that claim to be there for men and boys. If their goals, principles or objectives include the impact of men and boys behaviour on women and giels, then there is a very high risk that these are services that focus on the benefits of women and girls.

BEEZ128 · 2023-09-29T02:57:49+00:00

Great observation you have there. There definitely are content creators out there who do deal in content which focuses purely on what’s good for men, it’s just a matter of finding them.

Two things however:

The reason most in the red pill space tend to focus on dealing with women better, is because it’s an in demand topic, and one of the most common problems men face today. Therefore selling solutions to solve a far reaching problem is profitable.
The reason there is a disparity in the ideals each group pushes, ie. “men should do what’s best for women, women should do what’s best for themselves” is because society is overly gynocentric. The key difference here though, is men are EXPECTED to do all the heavy lifting in relationships and society (mental, emotional, physical, financial) while women can CHOOSE to if they feel like it or it benefits them in some way.

When bringing these two points together, we can see that the red pill space focuses in this way because it recognises that despite society’s social leaning, there is still a demand for men to be traditionally masculine in some form. It’s just that the topic of women is very easy to get attention with, because it affects a large number of men. Red pill men want to be better prepared when dealing with women, and women consciously or subconsciously still want men to be traditionally masculine in a form that benefits them.

pacsatonifil · 2023-09-29T03:22:04+00:00

Yes, even here some times though. Like even negative focus on women, why? Just keep it on this side. Focus on the goal

AaViOnBando · 2023-09-29T05:13:55+00:00

Because we're simple creatures. All we want for the most part is money and sex, with the ideal being sex with a woman that won't leave us.

sixtysixpixistix · 2023-09-29T16:08:17+00:00

Are you not a creature evolved with the teleonomic process for building a family?

In that spirit, how is focusing on yourself not ultimately focusing on building that family?

If it hasn't been said, it's only because it's patently obvious. Always be working on yourself; don't ever relax.

skcuf2 · 2023-09-29T16:50:09+00:00

Any of the advice towards gathering women should apply to being gay as well. People want someone who is put together.

The reason everything is geared towards finding a partner is because things are easier when you have a support system. We're a weird species, but we're still animals. Stop thinking we're better than any other organism that's trying to reproduce and take over the ecosystem and you'll understand a lot more about how most of society functions.

r_c2999 · 2023-09-30T03:34:19+00:00

this is such facts

cum_dragon · 2023-09-28T13:43:48+00:00

Because fourth wave feminism is actively on a crusade to destroy men the last 3-4 years.

LateralThinker13 · 2023-09-28T14:39:33+00:00

What if a guy lost his genitals in an accident or was homosexual, whats going to be his purpose now since women are out of the equation?

What is his purpose WITH those? Not to snark, but what is the meaning/purpose of life? Do you have one?

Reproduction (and the sex urge that ensures it) isn't the only purpose in life, but it's a core one. A lot of meaning (NOT all) in life goes away if you aren't having kids. Sure you can 'leave something behind' but... how many men actually do? Invent something, write something, build something... for many, the most lasting contribution they make is their contribution to the continuation of the species.

And so many are avoiding that nowadays, albeit for quite valid reasons.

closetedapostate · 2023-09-28T15:10:53+00:00

This phrase seems relevant: “Don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm.”

Waratah888 · 2023-09-28T11:24:51+00:00

Seems to. It's sad.

Njaulv · 2023-09-28T15:52:54+00:00

Well MGTOW gets banned from everywhere including on reddit unfortunately. Maybe check out Tom Leykis clips on youtube.

Lucky-Slice399 · 2023-09-28T17:22:58+00:00

It's because at the end of the day, the majority of men want to have someone that would love them, and for most straight men, their sole motivation for improvement in pussy.

You will rarely find men who have distinctive motivations to improve themselves, it's simply because no one wants to be seen as that one weirdo who doesn't want a woman.

IRL, most people including myself would want to be seen as normal or like the majority. It's simply because of stereotypes and the majority of hIgHlY eDuCaTeD people are too naive when it comes to basic human needs.

I wouldn't expect people to change anytime soon though, it's too difficult for some of them to understand differences when they have been told all their lives that their sole purpose is reproduction. Some men really do take a lot of pride in it, for all I know even animals can reproduce, there is nothing to be proud of.

NameIs-Already-Taken · 2023-09-28T07:31:15+00:00

I suspect men have a drive to provide in the same way women have a drive to produce children.

midwestCD5 · 2023-09-29T11:31:35+00:00

☕️

lostcymbrogi · 2023-09-28T04:34:34+00:00

May I introduce you to "12 Rules for Life," by Jordan Peterson?

schwillyboi · 2023-09-28T11:31:40+00:00

Because it's a circle jerk of red pilled incels in this sub. Who blame women instead of looking at themselves and working on becoming a decent person.

Boxisteph · 2023-09-28T08:59:20+00:00

That's the most feminist thing I've read on here and it's true. You need to learn to be Kennough for yourself. Centre yourself in a way that maintains your integrity and be happy. People male and female will want to be around you then rather than chasing sex like a mindless goon.

lIllIlllIl · 2023-09-28T08:56:35+00:00

Don't know what you've been smoking because all I ever see is talk of self improvement for yourself, not for a woman or family. Men have the greatest purpose which is why we run the world.

DeDeepKing · 2023-09-28T19:02:44+00:00

Title	Why does all Men's advice keeps revolving around women?
Author	thebrownwizardX
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Date	September 28, 2023 4:12 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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