I'll just copy paste a comment i made earlier

jesus the women on this sub unknowingly sound like incels

they're so defeatist about the average guys chance of becoming hot enough to have a couple average looking fwbs or even bang the occasional hot chick

then you have ones who say muslces don't matter mostly face and bone structure(shoulder to waist ratio)

it's like to some extent they agree with the whiny faggots.... barf

And then extra "confirmation" about muscles not mattering much

From

Average guy (a 5 on the bell curve) - not super short or tall, skinny fat or skinny, not very stylish , basic grooming , average look face etc

To

Chad - Hot enough for to have a couple average looking fwbs and bang the occasional hot chick.

Hot enough that girls go from being "meh" to actively flirting and making convo

Of course game can overcome "meh" but we're talking about looks rn

Do you even think it's possible for the average guy to become hot enough to be "CHAD"?

Have you ever seen a successful transformation from average to hot?