How constantly criticizing men effects dating and relationships?

EstablishmentKooky50 · 2022-01-24T22:37:12+00:00

There are a lot of examples of society crapping on men with misleading explanations of certain statistics, like men do less childraring and less household...

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Because they are selling to women, and shitting on men is a proven strategy to sell things, at least household goods. Why do you think every household item commercial for a long time was "My husband is so fucking stupid, he can't even use X product." Why would they try and sell to men when we only spend 20 cents out of every dollar in the economy. I guess we could up our consumerism and turn this into more of an oligarchical hellhole than it already is, I'm sure you'd love that.

Look, you're under no compulsion to give a shit (I expect you won't, ever) but that is idiotic logic to think that just because a man is in power that somehow that power trickles down to the rest of us or we have some connection to him. Jeff Bezos growing billions doesn't do shit for me. You're trying to make the argument that just because I have the same genitalia as someone powerful that I share in that power.

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Bullcrap women are almost always catered in society we constantly told to respect women

Uhuh, women are so catered that we had to have a group of women ‘feminists’ to advocate for women’s rights. If we were so catered why did we need feminists? Or did the catering of women just start after 3rd wave feminism?

Men respect women so much that they form male-only groups (incels, TRP, mgtow, PUA, Manosphere, Indian male ‘marriage strike’) to bash women, insult, manipulative, and degrade women. Men respect women so much that women are still 4 times more likely to experience rape between the age of 12-34. Such a great deal of respect alright.

Always believe all women even if they’re wrong

When does that ever happen? Do you have proof of that statement? Come back with proof or a link.

Commercial about strong independent women

You can’t be serious with this lame point ass point.

Meanwhile boys are constantly berated for their gender crap like toxic masculinity, rape culture

And little girls have it so easy in life that they’re SA and are victims of rape and are told to get over it because they were ‘asking for it.’ /s cut it tf out because yes boys have it terribly but girls have it worse because they’re still more likely to be in physical danger due to predators.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

Did you really list toxic masculinity?? like Gtfo like seriously foh you came with emotions and not with a worthy argument. All your points were emotional and biased. Come back with data or valid points then we can discuss further.

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You mean just like porn is controlled by men and sexualizes women but sells to men?

Yeah exactly. The women are the product, that's why they get paid 5X more than the male talent, and that number has probably only inflated with OnlyFans. I got no problem with that. Getting mad at women making a lot of money in porn is like getting mad that Tom Brady gets paid more than some 3rd String QB in Jacksonville.

Women don’t need to spend 80 cents out of every dollar to stop the media on behalf of men because we haven’t been able to stop the media for our own causes.

Good point, you do engage with media (social media) that is causing teenage girls to self-harm, and that rate of them doubles every 3 years. Maybe y'all like being miserable? Makeup ads make most of you feel like ugly shit and you fork over your money to people who purposefully do that to you, so maybe you just don't have the ability to organize in any meaningful way.

Especially since we earn less than men, your point makes no sense.

Operative word, earn. Thank you for recognizing that you aren't paid less, you earn less.

I’m not comparing you to Jeff bezos I’m saying that you should be talking to other men about how to overthrow the media that other MEN control.

Overthrow? So, we should solve our problems with violence is your belief? The thing is that when we speak up for ourselves and how the media portrays us, nobody takes us seriously.

This is a patriarchy

No it isn't. Primary education is geared towards young girls sensibilities, you're the majority of college students and graduates (and access to double the scholarship and grant funds by the way), you are the majority of our workforce, and you have plenary control over mating. How exactly are men oppressing you? Seems like the more common trait of oppressors nowadays is them being billionaires, but you want to pretend all men have equal levels of societal power, be my guest.

This is a patriarchy so Idk why you’re asking women for help when we haven’t helped ourselves with our male problems.

Fine, help yourself. I'll take that as approval if men only help themselves ever though. I made it very clear I wasn't entitled to women helping on this issue, just don't be entitled to men caring about your issues in return.

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“The women are the product, that’s why they get paid 5x more than the male talent and that number has probably only inflated with only fans…. Getting mad at women making a lot of money in porn is like getting mad that Tom Brady gets paid more than some 3rd string QB in Jacksonville.”

Odd comparison but this shows that guys do control the media because the only reason why those women earn money from getting degraded is because that is what guys choose to fund. Which means that guys prioritize sex and porn instead of the boys and men who get bashed. Even you guys don’t gaf about the bashing because y’all are too busy funding porn and sex starved instead of doing something about the media bashing. Somehow women are now the savior of men who we are also fighting against, interesting.

Overthrow? So, we should solve our problems with violence is your belief?

The definition of overthrow: 1. remove forcibly from power 2. To cause the downfall of 3. To depose and defeat Doesn’t necessarily mean in a violent way.

The thing is that when we speak up for ourselves and how the media portrays us, nobody takes us seriously.

Once again, the media is controlled by men so the reason no one takes you seriously is because other men made it so.

No it isn’t. Primary education is geared towards young girls sensibilities, you’re the majority of college students and graduates (and access to the double scholarships and funds by the way)

Let’s dissect this misconception that people have been running with. Women are a majority of college students and graduated students because men have always been a majority of the workforce and college students has always been geared towards young men.

Colleges are now being geared towards women because for the longest it was all about men and male children. Another reason to the fact that more women attend college is became men CHOOSE not to go to college. The men get into trades, they drop out, or they find the easiest way to make money that doesn’t require college; that is why women are a majority. Men used to be a majority of college students and graduates but that has changed because of men’s choices not to attend college and because of the inclusiveness for women.

This goes into further detail: https://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/why-do-women-outnumber-men-college

Here is a summarization of another article: “For decades, American women have been told that the path to independence and empowerment flows through school. Although they are still playing catch-up in the labor force, and leadership positions such as chief executive and senator are still dominated by men, women have barnstormed into colleges. That is the very definition of progress.”

“The U.S. education gender gap isn’t just a college phenomenon. Long before female students outnumber men on university campuses, they outperform boys in high school. Girls in elementary school spend more time studying than boys, are less likely to misbehave than boys, and get better grades than boys across all major subjects. “For decades, guys have been less likely to graduate from high school, less likely to enroll in college immediately, and less likely to finish college and earn a diploma,” Reeves told me. “There is a linear educational trajectory for girls and women. Boys and men tend to zigzag their way through adolescence.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/620066/

And access to double the scholarship and grant funds by the way

This is the only fair point you have made so far. I think women receive more scholarships because there are more women enrolling into college than men so if you had money to offer in regards to education, would you give it to people that are enrolling at a higher rate that could bring more money into your school/degree/company? Or would you give it to a smaller percentage? But trust me those female-only scholarships are under fire for male discrimination.

you’re a majority of our workforce

This is not all the way accurate. I say it’s not completely accurate because women’s participation in the labor force rises and declines each year but since 2021 it has decline which means men still are the majority in the workforce. Although women are catching up and are soon to be a majority of the workforce, we are still less likely to be in the workforce compared to men.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2021-12-03/theres-still-a-gender-participation-gap-in-the-workforce-but-its-shrinking

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/widget

https://statusofwomendata.org/earnings-and-the-gender-wage-gap/womens-labor-force-participation/

Fine, help yourself. I’ll take that as approval if men only help themselves ever though…. Just don’t be entitled to men caring about your own issues in return.

Trust me some of you guys already don’t care and a lot of you hate feminists but what exactly do you think women spending money would do so that news stations, social media etc would stop bashing men? I know you said “stop giving money to companies that bash us men” what companies are those? Do you mind listing some of the companies that bash men so we know how to proceed?

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Odd comparison but this shows that guys do control the media because the only reason why those women earn money from getting degraded is because that is what guys choose to fund.

Yes, men control what kind of porn gets made because that is what makes the most money. You can call it degrading, but two things. First, at least in the US, the overwhelming majority of those women are consensually engaging in porn and the acts that are requested of them (you get very occasional stories of women being forced to do things, but most women want to do the more extreme stuff because it pays more), second, it's more extreme because it's a visual medium. You have to crank up the intensity to sell it. Do you think John Wick is an accurate film in terms of gunfights?

Also, since you want the dumb fuck husband commercials, I'll keep the "degrading" porn. Sound fair?

Even you guys don’t gaf about the bashing because y’all are too busy funding porn and sex starved instead of doing something about the media bashing.

You had an ex-boyfriend who enjoyed porn a lot, didn't you?

Do you think men want sex like that all the time. It's just the sex version of an action movie, no need to be so threatened by it.

Once again, the media is controlled by men

No, it's controlled by billionaires whose bottom line is funded 80% by women. Again, just because they have the same genitals as me doesn't mean they have my interests at heart as you are implying.

The men get into trades, they drop out, or they find the easiest way to make money that doesn’t require college;

How does this change the fact that colleges are biased towards you? Real guys get fucked by it by the way. Title 9 fucked a friend of mine out of a wrestling scholarship. They didn't even re-allocate his scholarship to a woman, they just eliminated it because men's athletes were outnumbering women's athletes. So, because women CHOSE not to engage in athletics at the same rate, my buddy gets fucked out of an education.

Also, why would men want to go to college when practically every humanities class will have a section explaining why your genitals make you innately oppressive to women.

and leadership positions such as chief executive and senator are still dominated by men, women have barnstormed into colleges. That is the very definition of progress.

Along with janitor, sewage worker, construction worker etc. but you're not interested in equality in those positions are you. Why are women only interested in C-suite cushy jobs if you want to be equal so badly?

Also, the article implies that women outnumbering men is progressive and good. Yeah, y'all are fucking liars when you say you want equality.

This is the only fair point you have made so far. I think women receive more scholarships because there are more women enrolling into college than men so if you had money to offer in regards to education,

Then why was it also the case 20+ years ago when women weren't the majority. Also, you get double the money to go into STEM, choose not to, and then blame us.

But trust me those female-only scholarships are under fire for male discrimination.

No they aren't. Besides, in your mind it's impossible to discriminate against a male, so I assume that was an attempt at a joke?

This is not all the way accurate. I say it’s not completely accurate because women’s participation in the labor force rises and declines each year but since 2021 it has decline

That's temporary and due to the pandemic. Don't worry, you'll be on the diversity hire roll again soon enough.

Trust me some of you guys already don’t care and a lot of you hate feminists

I hate people who hate me, what a novel concept.

but what exactly do you think women spending money would do so that news stations, social media etc would stop bashing men?

It would alter the messaging to be in line with whatever advertisers wouldn't be boycotted. You do understand media companies are soulless profit whores right? All they care about is money, you control 80% of their bottom line. Look, I said I was not entitled to women helping and nobody is forcing you to care. But as you pointed out, women can't even stop themselves from buying products from people who try to make them feel like shit, so maybe I'm asking for too much logic and coordination from women.

what companies are those?

Gillette would be one example. Any company who puts out that kind of marketing in essence. Also any home appliance ad that goes with the "dumb fuck husband almost burns house down because he wasn't using Glad trash bags". Amazon would be top of my list, but that's more how they treat their workers overall.

Maybe don't watch and laugh at shows where the comedy is derived from men getting mutilated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80JqoyaL-p4

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Also, since you want the dumb fuck husband commercials, I’ll keep the degrading porn.

Where is that commercial? Send a link so that I can also share sexist commercials that have also discriminated against women.

You had an ex-boyfriend who enjoyed porn a lot, didn’t you?

Here we go shifting focus away, no I didn’t have a bf like that I just thought about how much money the sex industry makes and how that is what men spend excessive money on (besides sports) lol.

Do you think men want sex like that all the time.

Yes and no. There are outliers of course but yes I do think (and know) that a majority of y’all love sex.

No, it’s controlled by billionaires whose bottom line is funded 80% by women.

False. 90% of the media is controlled by Comcast, Walt Disney company, viacomcbs, fox corporation, Bertelsmann etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_and_gender#Gender_disparity_in_media_careers

These are all male companies and there is no way in hell 80% of women fund that shit while 20% of men do when I didn’t even know about half of these companies till I looked them up. Show me a link where it says that women fund 80% of the media. I can’t believe that made any sense to you that men only fund 20% of the media LMAOOO stop the bs. How is it that women fund 80% of the media but there are more male billionaires, these companies are created by men and funded by other males, and there are more male news anchors & reporters. The next thing you will say is women fund Bitcoin at 80%, or maybe we also fund sports at 80% (which is part of media that is also male dominated). I will be waiting for the link to this statement of yours that says women fund the media at 80%.

How does this change the fact that collages are biased towards you?

It changes the fact because colleges are not biased per say, men are simply refusing to attend.

Real guys get fucked by it by the way.

Explain further what you mean.

Title 9 fucked a friend of mine out of a wrestling scholarship. They didn’t even reallocate his scholarship to a woman, they just eliminated it because men’s athletes were outnumbering women’s athletes.

Okay…? And male athletes are overfunded while female athletes are undervalued and underfunded. How many male athletes did they have in comparison to female athletes?

Also, why would men want to go to college when practically every humanities class will have a section explaining why your generals make you innately oppressive to women.

Have you even been to college?? If so what the hell school was that and what are you studying?? I feel like this statement was purely based on opinion.

Along with janitor, sewage worker, construction worker etc. but you’re not interested in equality in those positions are you.

Women don’t need to go to college to be a janitor.. plus careers are passions that you CHOOSE to follow, wtf does that have to do with joining male fields such as sewage workers. We’re talking about positions that WOMEN want to get after college not positions that men want us to get just so y’all can scream “equality” till kingdom come.

Why are women only interested in C-suite cushy jobs if you want to be equal so badly?

Because those are the fields that they chose to study and that they see themselves working in. Duh. Why else? Did you not choose your own job? Did you choose your career or did a woman choose it for you?

Also, the article implies that women outnumbering men is progressive and good. Yeah, y’all are fucking liars when you say you want equality.

I’m guessing this is a response to women getting more jobs and filling more positions. So you were fine with it when it was men outnumbering women and having more jobs than women because it was ‘equal’ then but now that we’re catching up we’re ‘fucking liars?’

Then why was it also the case 20+ years ago when women weren’t the majority.

Post a link to this claim.

Also, you get double the money to go into stem, choose not to, and then blame us.

I don’t know which women you’re talking about because I am studying stem and I currently work in a stem field.

No they aren’t.

Yes they are. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-20/women-only-science-programs-discrimination-complaints%3f_amp=true

https://www.scholarships.com/news/female-only-scholarships-under-fire-in-higher-ed

There are male-only scholarships as well but I’m sure you have no problem with those, as long as there are more than the female-only scholarship.

Besides, in your mind it’s impossible to discriminate against a male, so I assume that was an attempt at a joke?

Hmm so because I said that men are the ones that discriminate the most against other men that means that I think male discrimination is fake?

That’s temporary and due to the pandemic. Don’t worry, you’ll be on the diversity hire roll again soon enough.

Lol why does women getting more jobs and opportunities upset you so much? Even in 1990s when women had the highest number we’ve ever had in the workforce, men were still the majority in the workforce.

I hate people who hate me, what a novel concept.

Feminism: advocacy of women’s rights Yea that sounds exactly like a man hater alright /s

It would alter the messaging to be in line with whatever advertisers wouldn’t be boycotted.

This makes no fucking sense.

You do understand media companies are soulless product whores right? All they care about is money, you control 80% of their bottom line.

Women control 80% of what bottom line? Please give us a part of media women control at 80%. Is it all of media including sports or is it just a sector of media?

Gillette would be an example

What did Gillette do? Also don’t forget to mention that Gillette is owned by Procter & Gamble and the CEO of Procter & Gamble is a man called David Taylor. Just throwing that out there.

Also any home appliance ad that goes with “dumb fuck husband almost burns house down because he wasn’t using glad trash bags.”

I have never heard or seen that before, didn’t know glad uses profanity on tv.

Maybe don’t watch and laugh at shows where the comedy is derived from men getting mutilated.

This is the only good example you have mentioned, this is the first I’m hearing of this but luckily the show’s ratings have been down for some time now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunrXLRbGuo

Here we go shifting focus away, no I didn’t have a bf like that I just thought about how much money the sex industry makes and how that is what men spend excessive money on (besides sports) lol.

Here we go stereotyping men and treating them like a monopoly. I doubt you've actually talked to a man outside of this space if I'm honest if you think all we care about is sports and pussy.

Yes and no. There are outliers of course but yes I do think (and know) that a majority of y’all love sex.

If you're going to refuse to actually answer the question, what is the point of this conversation. I said sex LIKE THAT not sex in general. Reading comprehension is a useful skill.

These are all male companies and there is no way in hell 80% of women fund that shit while 20% of men do when I didn’t even know about half of these companies till I looked them up.

That doesn't change the fact that 80 cents out of every dollar in our economy is spent by women. Also, you didn't know Disney existed? Maybe you're sheltered.

How is it that women fund 80% of the media but there are more male billionaires

Media is funded primarily by advertisers, advertisers sell products, women are 80% of the consumer base where those products are sold, therefore if the media wants advertiser dollars they need to align their message with advertisers, and advertisers are trying to sell to the largest consumer base to make the most amount of money they can, and that consumer base is women since it's 80% of the economy. This is an incredibly simple concept, how are you not understanding it?

Okay…? And male athletes are overfunded while female athletes are undervalued and underfunded. How many male athletes did they have in comparison to female athletes?

See here you want pure 50/50 equality. It can't just be that more men showed interest in athletic pursuits then women, it has to be women being held down. Fine, if every facet of our society has to be a 50/50 split, y'all need to take half the responsibility in life-threatening jobs, with paying bills, with marrying at an equal economic level etc.

That's not reality though, in reality you want equality when it's beneficial and benevolent sexism when it's beneficial.

Have you even been to college?? If so what the hell school was that and what are you studying?? I feel like this statement was purely based on opinion.

Most humanities courses.

Women don’t need to go to college to be a janitor.. plus careers are passions that you CHOOSE to follow

That's an incredibly privileged mindset to careers.

We’re talking about positions that WOMEN want to get after college not positions that men want us to get just so y’all can scream “equality” till kingdom come.

Because you constantly scream about "muh sexism" because men dominate those positions and say CEOs should be 50/50 or all men in society hate you. You know why men dominate in powerful positions, we work longer hours, we work harder, and we are more career-oriented than you.

There are absolutely no barriers to women going into finance, STEM, or any high earning field, they simply choose not to.

I’m guessing this is a response to women getting more jobs and filling more positions. So you were fine with it when it was men outnumbering women and having more jobs than women because it was ‘equal’ then but now that we’re catching up we’re ‘fucking liars?’

You're not catching up, you're the majority. You outnumber men in college, that is not equality. Fine if you don't actually want equality, just stop fucking lying about it.

I don’t know which women you’re talking about because I am studying stem and I currently work in a stem field.

Then you know most women aren't interested in it and wash out of programs because of that disinterest, you're a relative exception. Yet, y'all have double the access to financial resources to pursue STEM and you're 15-20% of the employees in those industries. And when you actually lead your own companies, they commit medical fraud on a massive scale, lol.

Yes they are. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-20/women-only-science-programs-discrimination-complaints%3f\_amp=true
https://www.scholarships.com/news/female-only-scholarships-under-fire-in-higher-ed

Those cases are pending, not settled.

There are male-only scholarships

Links? And does it equal the money female-only scholarships have? You want equality right? Or is this another instance of you lying about wanting it?

Feminism: advocacy of women’s rights Yea that sounds exactly like a man hater alright /s

Your most prominent feminists like Julie Bindel have straight up said men should be placed into concentration camps. They hate us.

Women control 80% of what bottom line? Please give us a part of media women control at 80%. Is it all of media including sports or is it just a sector of media?

You control advertisers, advertisers in essence control the content in media.

What did Gillette do? Also don’t forget to mention that Gillette is owned by Procter & Gamble and the CEO of Procter & Gamble is a man called David Taylor. Just throwing that out there.

That stupid "boys will be boys" ad. Also, yeah, he's a man. He's shitting on men because he knows that sells well to women. If CEOs are going to be the barometer of our gender's actions, why do women like to commit medical fraud?

This is the only good example you have mentioned, this is the first I’m hearing of this but luckily the show’s ratings have been down for some time now.

The fact that every woman in that audience is howling tells me all I need to know about how women feel about men getting mutilated.

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Here we go stereotyping men and treating them like a monopoly. I doubt you’ve actually talked to a man outside of this space if I’m honest if you think all we care about sports and pussy.

Never did I say that’s all you care about, what I said was that is what y’all spend excessive money on besides sports and maybe cars since porn is a $97 billion dollar industry and a majority of their viewers are male. It’s funny you feel insulted because not too long ago you made assumptions about women. I thought you said my ex bf enjoyed porn a lot but now I have never spoken to a male before? Hmm okay.

If you’re going to refuse to actually answer the question, what is the point of this conversation. I said sex LIKE THAT not sex in general. Reading comprehension is a useful skill.

Yes you should be telling yourself that because your reading comprehension skills should’ve been present for you to dissect my answer when I said “…Yes I do think (and know) that a majority of y’all love sex.” And I do mean LIKE THAT. That should answer that question, don’t use this as an excuse to run away from the discussion lol.

That doesn’t change the fact that $.80 out of every dollar in our economy is spent by women. Also, you didn’t know Disney existed? maybe your sheltered.

Why are you still running with this lie? Men spend more money than women https://www.renolon.com/male-vs-female-spending-statistics/

Women spend $.80 out of every dollar on WHAT? You never answered what you claim we spend that money on. I do know about Disney, I specifically said “I didn’t know about HALF of these companies” meaning I knew of the other half.

Media is funded primarily by advertisers, advertisers sell products, women are 80% of the consumer base were those products are sold, therefore if the media wants advertiser dollars they need to align their message with advertisers, and advertisers are trying to sell to the largest consumer base to make the most amount of money they can and that consumer base is Women since it’s 80% of the economy. This is an incredibly simple concept how are you not understanding it it?

You say the media is funded primarily by advertisers that sell products to women since we’re 80% of the consumer base. So what does those products have to do with men? It is true that those products such as, tampons, pads, makeup, etc target women because those are feminine products but what does a glad trash bag commercial about a “dumb fucking husband” like you called it, have to do with women? I think the problem here is that you intentionally confuse the roles/ things women fund in the media. We fun women shows, we fund feminine products, we fund beauty products, so when did those female pivoted products bash men?? How does an advertisement about women’s shaving stick bash men?

The problem here is that you’re purposely combining different types of media such as fox corporations, Instagram, Twitter with advertisements for women products when in reality fox corporations and the others are still controlled and funded by males. You do realize that basketball, soccer, football, Instagram, Fox News, cnn news is also included in the media? And we’re not the biggest consumers of those, men still have us beat.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/274828/gender-distribution-of-active-social-media-users-worldwide-by-platform/

What you need to do is say “women fund xyz of the media while men fund xyz” so that you can put the blame where it belongs not by saying “since women are the biggest consumers of products such as tampons, cars, and makeup that means you control the media” which is false.

See here you want pure 50-50 equality. It can’t be that more men showed interest in athletic pursuits then women, it has to be a woman being held down.

I noticed how you skipped over the question I asked which said “How many male athletes did they have in comparison to female athletes?” For all I know you could’ve pulled that story out of thin air so tell me how many male athletes there were or tell me the name of the school so that I can further research it because there is no way I can confirm your claim yet.

Fine, if every facet of a society has to be 50-50 split, y’all need to take half of the responsibility and life-threatening jobs with paying bills, with marrying at an equal economic level etc.

Every facet of society is not 50-50. You mad no sense here. There are male dominated fields and there are female dominated fields because of individual interest of each gender. I don’t know why y’all are complaining this much about women having equal opportunities.

Women also work dangerous jobs such as fire fighters, loggers, soldiers, airline pilots, fishing in Alaska, mining machine operator etc. Those are male dominated fields because men CHOSE to pursue those fields, they weren’t forced to so I don’t know why you’re trying to force women to pursue careers that they’re not interested in just because you want to be immature with your 50-50 point.

News flash, women already pay bills. Average women marry average men already so wtf are you even saying right now?? Get off social media and go out into the real world to see that average women are still dating and marrying average men in an above, equal, or below equal economic level. That was your sloppiest point yet, I had so much hope for this conversation but you’re getting lazy.

That’s not reality though, in reality you snag equality when it’s beneficial and benevolent sexism when it’s beneficial.

Explain to me how women want equality when it’s beneficial.

Most humanities courses.

Humanities teach about the fall and rise of empires, the past, and the development of humans. If you feel like those courses “explain why male genitals make you innately oppressive to women” then maybe that is because since the development of humans, men have been oppressing women 🤔 have you thought about that? Do you also hate history classes because “it teaches us that America is a bully?” That’s ridiculous.

That’s an incredibly privileged mindset to careers.

We’re you forced into your career? Did someone hold a knife to your back and told you to follow a certain career? I’m curious to know.

Because you constantly scream about “muh sexism” because men dominate those positions and say CEOs should be 50/50 or all men in society hate you.

You’re adding words that I never said just to be silly. There is a difference between women pursuing and dominating nursing because that is a field that not a lot of men are INTERESTED in studying, vs men actively not trying to hire women for CEO positions because they’re women. Men still have a choice to become nurses but not a lot of them want to which is why it is a female dominated career. There is difference in the two.

There are absolutely no barriers to women going into finance stem or any high earning field, they simply choose not to.

When did I say there were barriers? Women can study whatever they want but the problem is sometimes getting hired after their STEM degree because of sexism. Keep up with the conversation, you’re losing focus.

You’re not catching up, you’re the majority.

Women hold 50.04% of payroll jobs in the U.S.

You outnumber men in college, that is not equality.

Because guys CHOOSE NOT TO go to college. How many times do I have to explain that point???

Fine if you don’t actually want equality, just stop fucking lying about it.

You’re delirious asf. You’re clearly mad that women are getting equal job opportunities, that is the only reason why you constantly mention equality in a spiteful way because before it used to be men that held the most jobs but things are changing and you aren’t happy about it. Also, college education does not always equate to job after graduation.

Then you know most women aren’t interested in it and wash out of programs because of that disinterest, you’re a relative exception. Yet y’all have double the access to financial resources to pursue stem and you’re still 15 through 20% of employees in those industries

Women make up half of those (50%) employed at a STEM job. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2021/04/01/stem-jobs-see-uneven-progress-in-increasing-gender-racial-and-ethnic-diversity/

Try again bro.

And when you can actually leave your own companies they commit medical fraud on massive scale, lol.

False again lol, men are more likely to commit every type of fraud including scientific frauds. Why? Because male scientists receive more NIH research funding.

Source 1: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130122101905.htm Source 2: https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/women-still-less-likely-commit-corporate-fraud/ Source 3: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23532977/

Links? And does it equal the money female-only scholarships have? You want equality right? Or is this another instance of you lying about wanting it?

What you want isn’t equality, what you want is to make sure women are not outpacing men because then you will cry for the equality of men. There have always been more scholarships for men compared to women because women didn’t attend college at one point which is why there looks to be an influx of female only scholarships now, but I’m sure it makes you happy that men have more things because that is a fair balance when men have more opportunities than women right? Here are your links, feel free to look through it and calculate the cost yourself.

https://www.scholarships.com/financial-aid/college-scholarships/scholarship-directory/gender/male

https://collegesofdistinction.com/advice/25-scholarships-for-guys-class-of-2019-2020/

https://www.listsofscholarships.com/scholarships-for-men/

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Your most prominent feminists like Julie Bindel have straight up said men should be placed into concentration camps. They hate us.

“Your” nothing because you don’t know my beliefs. What she actually said “ “What can we do to end male violence?”, a campaign I have been involved with since 1979. I replied, jokingly, that if men could not learn to behave themselves, it might be a good idea to put them into an enclosed space, modelled a bit like a holiday camp, with a choice of quad bikes, white vans or bicycles. Female partners, mothers and friends could visit, and take them out like a library book, returning them at the end of the day. This would continue, I suggested, until men could learn to behave better towards women. Within hours of the interview going online, men’s rights groups were accusing me of wanting to put men in “Nazi concentration camps”. And they say feminists are the ones with no sense of humour.”

Do you agree that TRP and radical western men also hate women? Because they also make insensitive ‘jokes’ like Bindel.

You control advertisers, advertisers in essence control the content in media.

The media and advertising depend on each other. Advertisers control mainly commercial tv. I am yet to see any anti men advertisement that you said said “my dumb fucking husband.”

That stupid “Boys will be boys” ad.

The origin of that saying https://www.dictionary.com/e/unteaching-boys-will-be-boys/

The commercial was created by who? Men, why? Because it is a men’s razors. Gillette’s tagline is "The Best a Man Can Get" (1989–2019) "The Best Men Can Be" (since 2019). So blame men.

The term boys will be boys hurts boys and girls because it encourages the bad behaviors of boys while assuming that the only way to be a boy is by being rough and terrible.

Why do women like to commit medical fraud?

Link? Because I stated above, that men commit more frauds in medical, insurance, and federal.

The fact that every woman and that’s audience is Hollyn tells me all I need to know about how women feel about men getting mutilated.

Oh so we’re generalizing? So just because the talk has 30 or so audience members that laughed means that they represent all women? Okay let’s generalize. The fact that men laugh and make jokes about women getting raped tells me all I need to know about how men feel about women getting raped.

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Lol women control the media just as much as men do quit your bullshit

No, we don’t control it as much as men do. If women controlled the media just as much as men do then female issues would be address a lot more than they’re (issues such as sex trafficking, missing women and girls in Georgia etc). Plus 90% of the media is controlled by male companies such as Fox corporations, Walt Disney, Comcast, ViacomCBS etc which are all owned by men. What you mean to say is that women work for the media but there is a difference between working for the media vs controlling the media, the difference here is power vs the lack thereof.

If feminism was truly about equality they would help men as well.

Feminism is for WOMEN -_- the definition of feminism is “the advocacy of women’s rights” it is not the advocacy for men. I can’t believe you even said that, that was a silly point you tried to make but failed miserably at.

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Well, women spend 80 cents out of every dollar in the US economy, so...

Women might refuse to buy something that shows a bad enough attitude toward women but they don't go out of their way to buy products they wouldn't otherwise because their advertisements portray men as dumb.

And if those she's buying stuff for don't care either way as long as she buys the item they want, she's going to buy them the item they want.

What I'm really talking about is the news media pandering to emotional gratification, politics and special interest groups while limiting coverage to what they believe will turn the largest profit, rather than actively gathering facts and reporting a balanced view of events.

Or platforms like Twitter and Reddit that become so large by basically doing the same sort of pandering and censoring to project a particular POV rather than focusing on equal access.

I think about treating them like utilities but that could be an even bigger nightmare.

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Most people don't function well when constantly criticized, and I don't like the idea of constantly criticizing young boys for stuff they never did.

A lot of the stuff you said are legitimate concerns from women, and most men that I know that grew up in a loving environment is able to differentiate themselves from women voicing concerns over some trends they see. For example, I think my husband and I work and share chores very evenly. However, because he knows statistically women end up doing more household chores and is under appreciated for them, so he's very proactive in making sure and checking in regularly to make sure the household chores burden is still fair. Similarly, he tries to make sure that I'm not being underpaid for what I do, and to make sure that the women he's managing isn't being underpaid either. It's about knowing where common pitfalls are and watching out for them.

Similarly, you mentioned that women tend to initiate most abuse. I don't have stats on that, but I can believe it given that women are less likely to to think of certain things as real abuse (like hitting or mocking). That's something that women should watch out for, and think if anything we think is just light playing may actually be harmful.

The less you criticize someone all the time, the less defensive they will feel, and in turn the more likely they are to not take everything personally and think about general criticisms in productive ways.

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Most people don't function well when constantly criticized, and I don't like the idea of constantly criticizing young boys for stuff they never did.

You're in the minority there. It's a full on hobby for a lot of women at this point. Either that or just straight up saying bad things happening to us is funny (Sharon Osborne and castration, for example).

Similarly, you mentioned that women tend to initiate most abuse. I don't have stats on that, but I can believe it given that women are less likely to to think of certain things as real abuse (like hitting or mocking).

This reminded me of two interesting statistics when you compare gay people and lesbians. Per FBI crime statistics, 3/10 lesbian relationships have domestic violence occur within them, while the domestic violence rate for gay men was actually too small to represent statistically.

The second statistic about gay men and lesbians is that lesbians divorce at twice the rate gay men do.

So, when we are removed from each other, we get less violent and more committed to relationships, and women get more violent and less committed (on average, not making a commentary on any one individual).

Also, yes, women don't think they can be abusive. Took a toaster to the back of my head from an ex who thought that way too.

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I don’t pretend to understand the biology of homosexuality but I’ve wondered about what you describe here.

I know a few gay and lesbian individuals and couples. What I’ve noticed is that the gay men are typically effeminate while the lesbians have a good mix of masculine and feminine traits.

What could be going on is that abuse is born from the contrast in masculine and feminine traits. That is, biologically, one partner with higher testosterone than the other. Making gay couples act more like two female friends, while lesbians end up more like a traditional heterosexual couple, at least in behavior.

I’m sure there are plenty hyper masculine gay men out there but perhaps they don’t couple up as much as effeminate gay men or lesbians, maybe due to societal stigma and closeting. And of course there are reports of men abusing men who are closeted that need to maintain their outward masculinity for the rest of their world because society equates masculinity with strength and femininity with weakness.

TLDR; I think this debate is more about feminine vs masculine more so than man vs woman. And those with big differences who couple together.

Just some thoughts.

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And like, there's nothing you can do to deserve being abused.

My mother literally tried to slit her wrists in front of me when I was 5, and my extended family blamed me for causing her too much stress. Sorry but I was straight up told I caused my own abuse, mostly by women. (Specifically, she got cut while I was trying to fight the knife out of her hand and I got yelled at by my aunts for that). Just because you don't believe men deserve it, that doesn't erase the women that make sport out of constant criticisms. Fuck, we get criticized for how we sit in public for fucks sake.

That's just one example of how little the world is willing to put responsibility on women. Eventually you just stop caring about women in this world. Abused your entire childhood, suck it up pussy; someone called that girl "Bossy", start an entire social media campaign with 100s of thousands of dollars behind it. Your minor problems are more important than our major ones to society.

To the OP, that's why I truly no longer care about women's feelings, problems, struggles etc. Everyone from my own mother to society is calling you a worthless piece of shit simply for the sex you were born, yeah my empathy for women dried up a long time ago.

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Your point on childrearing doesn't take into account that most women work and still do the majority of domestic labor. They aren't all stay at home moms.

It does. Most women do not work nearly as much as men do when kids, younger then 4 years are involved. Many still don't take on a full time role when there is at least one child who is under 12. This is what all statistics show on the topic. Men work more hours outside of the household, women work more hours inside the household, at the end of the day, it's about equal in the majority of the cases. Plain and simple.

And like, there's nothing you can do to deserve being abused. Man or woman.

Aggreed

That's gross to blame them for their abuse.

This sentiment is a massive strawman. People are seldom "blaming" them, but they do have responsibility in it. Not admitting that and blaming it all on men is disempowering, it takes away their agency. Besides, i merely said that this thing is far more complex then "men=bad", "women=victims".

However, I do understand womens hesitations when it comes to men as well.

I do too. But being careful around men and make us work for your trust is one thing, I'd teach my daughter exactly that, but there is a certain point where it becomes a pathological, internalized fear and this today is way too prevalent.

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In reciprocally abusive relationships (about 50% of times), they are both responsible. In non reciprocal cases, instead of fighting back, they leave or de-escalate, hence practicing their agency.

I have been in a non-reciprocally abusive relationship and I have had numerous men here say it was my fault the man became abusive because "I chose him." And that I should have known he would be abusive therefore the abuse was my fault. (Another relationship involved a man who did not put hands on me, but would throw things and punch holes in doors). I have never done either.

The men you claim are being pathologized do not practise widespread empathy themselves; why do they need so much of ours to the extent that we cannot discuss what our interests are so as not to scare a woman who has never dated before?

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The men you claim are being pathologized do not practise widespread empathy themselves; why do they need so much of ours to the extent that we cannot discuss what our interests are so as not to scare a woman who has never dated before?

I was abused too, given, not physically because i established early on, if she lays a hand on me, i might break it (i wouldn't but she don't have to know that). This however doesn't change the fact that i did put up with her emotional and financial abuse for years because i was looking for excuses for her behavior and since it was a "roller-coaster", the time everything was normal, i convinced myself that she changed for the better, besides i foolishly trusted in her non existent common sense. My responsibility in this situation is called "enabling". The reason she didn't abuse me physically is because i didn't allow that, but i did allow the rest, instead of speaking up firmly or walking away. Given all that, there was but one time when i actually yelled at her, when she lied into my face and gaslighted for the n-th time, despite better evidence. In one other occasion i was frustrated to the point that I punched a hole in the wall, but not in front of her, because i didn't want to intimidate her, just wanted the stress to go away.

I totally agree with you that abusive people are usually very good at disguising their behavior and often do not start out as abusive (quite the contrary), but later they gradually amp up. An inexperienced person will not see the difference, the red flags. So you can't be "blamed" for chosing them. But if you stay in the relationship while not enforcing your boundaries, you ARE responsible for enabling, and this is good news. If you willing to admit, that you have responsibilities, even if it hurts to admit it, you gain control over your situation, you enable yourself to learn from your mistakes and not commit them again.

The men you claim are being pathologized do not practise widespread empathy themselves; why do they need so much of ours to the extent that we cannot discuss what our interests are so as not to scare a woman who has never dated before?

I do not know. I think you should just simply ignore those people (also not all men acts the same way, in fact, i think those who never went trough these issues are more likely to talk that way, as they have no clue what they are talking about) if there is no truth to what they say whatsoever. Words can only hurt you if you take them seriously. After all, what does it matter what random dudes and gals, hiding behind avatars and nicknames say about you if there's no element of truth to it?

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So what's the excuse for men being most likely to both cheat on and murder a woman when she's pregnant?

Excuse? Who is talking about "excuse"? Also, i guess a woman can not kill a pregnant man for fairly obvious reasons.

All jokes aside, my experience is that men don't want women to talk about what their interests and risk factors are, they will do anything to silence them when they're talking about their interests, they perceive it as a threat when women prioritize their own interests and mental health.

I am very sorry that you had this kind of experience. I had shitty experience with women too. From time to time we all hurt others and beings hurt by others, that's part of human condition. I am pretty sure that most women are not sluts and most men are not insecure dickheads.

And with regards to falling marriage rates, men are obviously the ones driving that trend, women do not propose to themselves. Ever heard of a little old thing called the red pill? Men want marriage rates to fall.

I don't disagree. I'd simply ask you, why. And don't say it's because of Red Pill. The prevalence of Red Pill is a symptom, it's not the sickness. Actually, if you draw the appropriate conclusions fron RP, you can save your marriage, like it happened in my own case. The problem is, men became Red Pilled when they are already trough with the train wreck, and this tend to push some of them into nihilism.

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According to their count, across 2018 and 2019, a total of 273 women died by homicide either while pregnant or within a year of the end of their pregnancy.

In 2019, there was about 3.7 million births in the States. This means, the number of pregnant women died by homicide is less then 0.0001% of all pregnant women.

Based on the above, it's extremely unlikely (less then 1 in 13.000) that a woman is killed during or within one year of her pregnancy, even though just one homicide is one too many. In contrast, about 700 women dies of pregnancy or delivery related issues in the US each year, so the articles you cited are misleading at best.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990980242/as-pregnancy-related-deaths-rise-in-the-u-s-experts-say-expanding-medicaid-is-ke

These are exactly the kind of problematic media pieces i am taking about.

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Both men and woman are more likely to suffer due to a man's influence. Men attack/harm both other men and woman far more then woman do.

While, yes, woman are perfect should never be the message, there is value in holding men's feet to the fire for their behaviors. Not on a personal level unless they themselves have done something but on a cultural level. It wasn't until the 90's things like panty raids, bra unhooking and other forms of sexual assault became unnormalized. We are just moving into a post rape culture Era where getting a girl drunk to sleep with you isn't acceptable advice. Where blindfolding someone to trick them into sex with another person isn't comedy. Where sharing and posting nudes of woman without consent is now illegal.

Men feel attacked because we did attack a huge portion of social norms over the last 20-30 years. It's understandable we don't have equilibrium yet, but most of those changes are good things.

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Yes it legally does. Hence why it's not just rape

Show me a case where someone was convicted of rape on the basis that "she wouldn't have done it if she was sober".

The law and thankfully most basic human mortality disagree with you.

If your idea of morality is minimizing regret, then sure. But then you should just advise people not to get drunk, period.

If you preform predatory and calculations behavior, then you are expected to face the consequences of those actions.

If you make decisions while drunk, you're still responsible for those decisions. Just like if you commit a crime while drunk, you don't get let off the hook.

Don't purposefully make it harder to have consent. Don't trick other people into sex with you and it's a non issue.

That's literally the opposite of what alcohol does. It releases endorphins which make activities more enjoyable. Why do you think people drink so much? Why do think casual sex and alcohol are so strongly linked?

If the thought ever pops in your (royal you btw) head "I'm going to encourage this person to drink so they'll have sex with me becauseotherwise they wouldn't" you are sober enough to be manipulating someone. You are a rapist.

Regret is not rape.

I guess we're not as far off rape culture as I hoped.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but real life (and common sense) isn't what you read in certain feminist blogs. You don't get to arbritarily redefine terms to make your life more easy/comfortable.

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https://ipolitics.ca/2021/05/14/top-court-clarifies-law-governing-consent-when-victim-is-intoxicated/

Nice try, but that doesn't meet the requirement "on the basis that she wouldn't have done it if she was sober". The case mentions nothing about that. It simply focuses on whether someone is too drunk to consent.

Capacity to consent requires that the complainant have an operating mind capable of understanding the physical act, its sexual nature, and the specific identity of their partner, and that they have a choice of whether or not to engage in the sexual activity in question.

Again, nothing about whether she would have done it if she was sober.

And here's a key passage.

The trial judge’s reasons should not be read as equating any degree of intoxication with incapacity, as what was at issue was the extreme degree of intoxication to which the complainant testified.

So they made it clear that it's possible to be drunk and still consent.

https://youtu.be/EmWIphq-P4s

Sorry, I'm not interested in watching some grainy video about some completely contrived scenario. You can set one up to make any situation look favorable/unfavorable.

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Encouraging someone to drink more isn't predatory. It's still each person's own decision/responsibility whether they want to drink more or not. Usually, the person doing the encouraging is drinking more themselves.

But your statement that it's rape if "she wouldn't have done it if she was sober" is completely divorced from reality. You don't have to take it from me. Take it from other women in PPD. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/rxfiv8/why_does_it_take_alcohol_for_most_women_to_engage/

A small sample of quotes:

Alcohol lowers your inhibition which lets you do things you were otherwise stopping yourself from doing.

Before alcohol: “What’s the point?” “What will my friends think if I kissed him?” “He’s a bit weird I’d rather not”.

After alcohol: “Fuck it why not?” kiss

lowers inhibitions and everythin g feels good drunk. drunk or high sex is fantastic

also alcohol makes you feel connected with people. same thing happens with friendship, you get shitty drunk with someone and they become your best friend afterward

Probably because it helps with anxiety? Like as a socially anxious person, if I’m not on anxiety medication I need to drink to have casual conversation with strangers, much less casual sex. And sex is way more awkward in my opinion.

Also for me at least alcohol just makes me feel friendlier. And it makes you less worried about any risks you may normally be concerned with. I got really drunk on my 21st birthday and told the bouncer at a gay bar she was pretty, and normally I’m scared to compliment people.

Hmm honest answer, alcohol is a great scapegoat. Sometimes I’m bored and want some entertainment, I might see a guy who is not super attractive or is attractive but has other bad attributes, I’m lowkey into him but I know he’s not super desirable

Sober me says hooking up with him would be a bad look, my friends would roast me, it’s not my style, I don’t wanna be judged

I have a few drinks and suddenly, whether I’m I’m drunk or not, I can say “omg I was so drunk when I made out with that guy I’m so crazy hehehe so funny” perfect excuse.

I don’t do this anymore as I’m sober now, but back in the day? Yeah. Makeout with a not so cute guy, blame it on the alcohol

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It leads to more boys with self esteem issues falling behind on all metrics because they are held back and to more girls with inflated egos thinking they are the super shit and "worked SOOOOO hard" while being blind that everything of relevance in their lives is aligned in order to have as less obstacles as possibles.

Obviously women's attraction triggers have one big variable that is much smaller in men and that being they are attracted to men they think are in their league. The problem is that their league is entirely artificial be it through eduacation or through faking appearances with make up, shape wear or filters.

So now you have this 3 girl which fakes herself to an 8 in her photos and got a higher education degree most likely because of passive support structures in their educational way. You can now think yourself which type of men this uggo thinks are her "match".

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I'm sorry, but i am not entirely sure i understand what you mean here. Yes it seems obvious that men are stronger but in this day and age some women (not all!) are so entitled and so "empowered" that they genuinely think they can take down a man. According to a recent YouGov survey, 7% of the female (and 8% of the male) respondents claimed that they could beat a lion with bare hands.

If you say that women initiate violence/abuse as an expression of anger and not with the intent of harm, i can accept that, but this also applies to men.

IMO, nothing justifies any kind of abuse or violence especially not the reciprocal kind, but there are a lot of people unfortunately, both men and women to whom these kind of relationships are the norm, they are often brought up in abusive or neglectful environment themselves, they simply do not know better, or deep inside they think they do not deserve better. I think it should be obvious that the reason for this is not one's gender as the mainstream would have us beleive ("abuse is a gendered crime") or "toxic masculinity" or similar buzzwords. The reason is shitty upbringing, and by "genderizing" the issue we let down people who need the kind of help (CBT) they don't get because of it. These women are often told it's the men's fault and they have done nothing wrong, which is false, and by saying this, we rip them of agency, hence ensuring that they will repeat the behavior or end up resenting a whole gender. They then go on preaching this nonsense to the next generation essentially spreading hysteria among girls and self resentment among boys. How are these boys and girls will then be able to build anything that resembles a healthy relationship with each other? They will have casual sex, they will have babies, born very often in single parent households and be often neglected as a result so the cycle continues.. This whole thing is a downward spiral.

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According to a recent YouGov survey, 7% of the female (and 8% of the male) respondents claimed that they could beat a lion with bare hands.

I laughed so loud the dog is still staring at me. Even though I shouldn't be laughing at all because it's true.

If you say that women initiate violence/abuse as an expression of anger and not with the intent of harm, i can accept that, but this also applies to men.

How could that be possible? I can understand a woman buying into the current "wokeness" of portraying average size women as being able to knock a man down with a right hook, but that's mainly because the average woman's actual experience of real physical strength from men is limited. Conversely, I can't believe there are many men who haven't figured out that the majority of women never get much stronger than they were at 16, simply because of the way women are allowed to punch and pinch even in play compared to men.

IMO, nothing justifies any kind of abuse or violence especially not the reciprocal kind, but there are a lot of people unfortunately, both men and women to whom these kind of relationships are the norm, they are often brought up in abusive or neglectful environment themselves, they simply do not know better, or deep inside they think they do not deserve better.

I agree up to here. Beyond that, though, the simple, real difference in strength between men and women denies the logic of the rest of what you wrote.

But if nothing else, consider this statement again:

These women are often told it's the men's fault and they have done nothing wrong, which is false, and by saying this, we rip them of agency, hence ensuring that they will repeat the behavior or end up resenting a whole gender. They then go on preaching this nonsense to the next generation essentially spreading hysteria among girls and self resentment among boys.

It's a perfect closing argument from the defense in a 1960s rape trial.

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I laughed so loud the dog is still staring at me. Even though I shouldn't be laughing at all because it's true.

Yeah i tought it's kinda funny too.

How could that be possible? I can understand a woman buying into the current "wokeness" of portraying average size women as being able to knock a man down with a right hook, but that's mainly because the average woman's actual experience of real physical strength from men is limited. Conversely, I can't believe there are many men who haven't figured out that the majority of women never get much stronger than they were at 16, simply because of the way women are allowed to punch and pinch even in play compared to men.

Though what you say here is true, i couldn't figure out how this relates to the citation of what i said.

I agree up to here. Beyond that, though, the simple, real difference in strength between men and women denies the logic of the rest of what you wrote.

Sure, but the question is, how much are you able to use that logic when you are in a fight or flight mode and your prefrontal cortex is virtually offline. When you're in that mode, your body resorts to automatic, reflex-like behavioural patterns and you lose most of your cognitive functions. Your reaction will be what is most engraved and what is most engraved depends on both your upbringing and natural defaults. If you are naturally more prone to violence and you were abused/neglected from early childhood your reaction is pretty much granted to be violent. This mechanism is also recognized by courts worldwide. If you commit a violent crime due to high level of anger, your sentence will not be nearly as serious as if you would do the same crime in a pre meditated fashion.

Again, this is not an excuse. It is in or power to seek traitment, and this is also where our responsibility lies.

It's a perfect closing argument from the defense in a 1960s rape trial.

Not in the slightest. In those rape trials, the defendant's lawyers argued that she was "asking for it" by wearing a certain type of clothing. This argument is flawed and it's flatout victim blaming. Even if you decide to walk the streets butt naked, in no way that is a call for sex. Also, we are taking about domestic violence and abuse here, not rape.

But for better understanding, let's shift the conversation towards rape. Saying, that you have responsibilities doesn't mean that you are the one who is to be blamed. A good father will tell you not to walk alone in a bad neighborhood at midnight in a skirt that barley covers your ass cheeks. A good father would probably also beat the living shit out of anyone who dares touching you, even if you were walking alone at midnight in a bad neighborhood dressed in a skirt that barely covers your ass cheeks. Today at court, your stile of dressing will not mitigate the seriousness of the sentencing.

Telling women not to initiate violence against a man in a reciprocally abusive relationship or get out from a non reciprocally violent relationship instead of looking for excuses for the guy, hence enabling his shitty behavior is not victim blaming. It is telling women how to avoid getting hurt.

In a reciprocally abusive relationship - which i was talking about - they both have inappropriate coping mechanisms. They both need therapy and help. If you tell women that they have done nothing wrong in this situation, it's all the men's fault, she will be far more likely to be involved in a same kind of relationship with a different guy, because she is prone to repeat the same kind of maladaptive patterns. But in no way, shape or form this takes away any amount of blame from the guy who committed a battery for instance, nor does it excuse his conduct. This is far from victim blaming. It's victim empowering.

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OP was talking about examples of society crapping on men. That stuff doesn't happen in normieland.

You could find more examples of the family court discriminating against income rather than discriminating against men. Adultery is considered an at-fault divorce in court. How would a court enforce maternity fraud anyway. I'll give you that there may be something there though.

Metoo is about sexual abuse and assault. Something that affects men as well. I haven't encountered anything crapping on men who do not perpetrate sexual abuse and assault. Maybe there has been, but not popular enough for me to have come across it. Have you seen that ad against bullying that had a girl bully in it? Super demonizing women right?

I'm not sure why you're identifying with Homer Simpson from a comedy cartoon instead of any of the strong powerful smart put together male leads in marvel, Grey's anatomy, criminal minds, seal team or any of the numerous popular TV shows.

Why are you feeling so personally affected by this if you're one of those good men?

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Because in your post you copied and pasted uk articles about men working more hours

No, i cited OECD stats first, then UK data.

We can discuss both. Similar cultures provide similar statistics

Here is data about working hours distribution in the OECD countries:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF-2-2-Distribution-working-hours-couple-households.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwinr6fzw8z1AhVWPcAKHZMBD9wQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1IOWukdJUXZ8yG6nBI2H6M

The general rule is (with some exceptions) that the better off the country, the more disparity you will find in the working hours of males vs. females. This is because there is more opportunity for the family to get on with one person working while the other does not, or working only part time in more wealthy countries.

Here is the historical data on the marriage rates in the UK:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/934668/marriage-rate-england-and-wales/

Self explanatory.

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Okay then to answer your point of married men, they make more not because getting married means that you will get paid more, but because of promotions due to employer and economic discrimination and bias.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201804/unearned-privilege-1000-laws-benefit-only-married-people%3famp

It can also be because men with higher wages are more likely to marry.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/april-2002/for-love-or-money-why-married-men-make-more

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/married-men-earn-more-than-single-or-married-women-and-single-men-2018-09-19

The link you posted showed the difference between married men and women with children. Since one gender stays home to take care of the children while the other works full time and when a partner works full time while the other works part time. What is the point that you’re trying to make here? Is it why married men earn more or is it why married men earn more than married women?

But to answer your last point about why marriage rates are failing. It is because of many reasons such as: lack of faith in the institution, financial considerations, incomes, change in family structure, they’re happy in their current relationships, and women’s independence and gender equality.

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Okay then to answer your point of married men, they make more not because getting married means that you will get paid more, but because of promotions due to employer and economic discrimination and bias.

Sorry i didn't find relevant information in the blog post you cited in regards of promotions, you are welcome to quote. I can imagine that it happens in some cases as married people generally seen as more reliable. But you need to ask yourself this: wheb we talkimg about avarage people, do we talk about people with career opportunities and perspectives promotions? What is the difference between a team leader at McDonald's and the guy who flips the meat? About 0.30$ - 0.50$ /h, 20 bucks a week tops. This career and promotions based argument is nothing but a strawman. The vast majority of people have no or distinct career opportunities. That said, those who do have these opportunities are more likely to seek out these opportunities/change jobs/fields when married because they need to make more money to support the family. Single, young, childless men actually make less money then single, ypung, childless women, because they do not seek these opportunities, because they tend to come with more stress, more risls and more responsibilities for exchange of better money.

Here is a list of the top 50 occupations employing the most people:

https://www.careerprofiles.info/careers-largest-employment.html

It can also be because men with higher wages are more likely to marry.

Men (and women) with higher education are more likely to marry and more likely to stay married, yes. These are also the guys and gals who actually do have career opportunities so there are a lot of overlap between the groups. Also these people are more likely to have less children and more likely to delay childbirth till late 30-s. Also these people are the minority of any country's population. Again, these people are not the avarage chump. In 2020, the number of people who completed at least 4 years of college in the US was 36% of all men and 38% of all women.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/

What is the point that you’re trying to make here?

Exactly what i said in the OP. That men on avarage do less chores and childraring, because we do far more working hours outside the home then our wifes, who does more work at home. If you ever lived in a house, you know exactly that there is always something to do that usually requires a man's "expertise", from painting the picket fence to changing the light bulbs. None of these appear in the surveys.

But to answer your last point about why marriage rates are failing.

Yes, there's a lot of reasons why marriage rate is going down. Mostly it is because less and less men asks women to marry, and it is more and more futile for women to push for marriage. Also, marriage is not the only issue. Our relationships are far shorter then they used to be. We live in a culture of chain-monogamy, life-long partners are the obscurious minority. We just can't suffer each other any longer.

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Another way to look at the education catering to girls more is that it’s a side effect of living in a first world country. Obesity rises, girls get catered to more, but it’s either that or you live in a shitter where almost everyone that isn’t wealthy has a hard time and its actually bad for women.

Even with some preferential treatment given to women, which is fair to point out, the end results are always the same. Regardless of any kind of discrimination since the beginning of time. Men either dominate the fields/majors that require more than a few brain cells (stem, business, law), or their working jobs that require all muscles and no brain cells. The only job that is worth a damn that’s female dominated is nursing, and something like that appeals to smarter girls more anyways.

Also, you haven’t defined what discrimination against boys in schools is. Is it that girls like sitting in lectures for 7 hours a day and boys don’t or are they bumping up girls scores or is every school system pumping out liberal propaganda or…

In western countries where there‘s local policies, people that live in good communities relative to the bad ones don’t have many of the boy problems poorer counterparts do. I grew up in a better than average community, and if we polled the boys their experience of the school system, they might not say it was great, but their wasn’t a clear problem that made the boys fail and the girls succeed.

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Also, you haven’t defined what discrimination against boys in schools is. Is it that girls like sitting in lectures for 7 hours a day and boys don’t or are they bumping up girls scores or is every school system pumping out liberal propaganda or…

yes girls are more prone to blindly obey authority
teaching methods are catered to girls learning strenghts which is accustic and visual. Boys learning strenghts are through practice and motorical. Needless to say which types are catered to in your typical class
boys are more varied in behaviour thus many boys can't express themselves or get punished. Or just get fake diagnoes with ADHS with forced ritalin therapy
boys are more likely to hyperfocus on specific topics which the education system instead of embracing it tries to shut it down by force. This only get's better later in higher education but most boys will never reach it. And only very few will make it without education
due to behavioural differences girls grades are indeed inflated
boys getting feminists mantras forced down their throat's the moment they are exposed to any media. It's obvious that this is a hindrance in the early development stages especially regarding their self esteem
most teachers are biased in favour of girls because the stereotype is that girls sit still and boys disrupt the class

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Title	How constantly criticizing men effects dating and relationships?
Author	EstablishmentKooky50
Upvotes	20
Comments	187
Date	January 24, 2022 10:37 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/sbyn05/how_constantly_criticizing_men_effects_dating_and/
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