Weekly Community Chat Megathread

2021-01-04T21:00:17+00:00

This weekly thread is designed to be a place for all the funny discussions on PPD. Feel free to post off-topic questions, information, points-of-view, etc......

[–]YoMamas_azzTheoretically0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

Salt daddy chronicles update:

I salted this girl yesterday, the usual "pay you at the end of the month" scheme. She met me straight at the room in the hotel. Before leaving from her home she asked me to send her a video of myself and the room. I thought it may have been over at that point, but she ended up coming in. The hotel was actually kind of trash lol, but passable enough, it wasnt in the ghetto or anything, but certainly less quality then a man of my alleged means should have taste for. I told her the reason for it is that I didnt know her area and didnt look into it before booking.

Anyways, she came in the room and I went for a hug as soon as she took her coat off and placed down her bag. From that into a kiss and we were having sex not too much later. She was actually kind of a freak, she was really enthused the entire time, suggesting a bunch of positions and told me she liked to be spit on 🤣. Moaning and yelping so loud im sure those in the room next to me must have heard.

She thinks im a multimillionaire hotshot lawyer. Laying next to me in bed she asked me about it, and I told her something equating to "I specialize in tort law, I also have investments in rental real estate properties and stocks, but... and I know it may sound kind of weird... I do this kind of thing because I want an avenue to escape from the stress in my day to day , so I dont like to get too much into my personal life, when im with you, I just want to live in the moment and decompress with a pretty girl". She bought it hook line and sinker. She was eating out of the palm of my hand by the end of the night.

I felt pretty compatible with her actually, she was really fun. She emanated the "sex positive feminist" vibe. I wish we could have met under different circumstances, but alas, I will be blocking her soon. These girls need to be more smart and careful. This one attends a university which is ranked in the top 20 in the nation.

Currently sitting in the parking lot of a different hotel as I type this, meeting up with another girl in about an hourish.

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The person who actually committed the theft of services has the largest share of the blame

Contractually, sure. Morally, though, any woman with a lick of sense would be sure to protect themselves by learning the rules of the road.

But this is why I’m so annoyed by the marketing of “sugar babies” as anything other than prostitutes - it lets shit like this happen.

I totally feel this. It's not just marketing, there some mythology going on. I've read the forums, SB's & SD's catch the feelz all the time, but that's probably not the primary mode.

You have a better read on me than anyone else here. You know full well I could put up a profile that's in your face vanilla and find bored college girls to hang out with. I hope you see how wildly tempting that is.

Two roadblocks: I'm probably higher "disgust" than I allow myself to think, and I don't want to contribute to an exploitative system, regardless of how virtuously I go about my business.

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I'm not judging.

FWIW I'm been sorely tempted to try SA for months now.

I was protecting myself from 'Rona because Dad was being an idiot and I knew I couldn't get sick, that I might need to take care of things. As expected, he got sick, but bounced back quickly. His wife is out of the woods, so far, but knocked on her ass.

Now I want to put up a vanilla seeking profile. Just looking for cuties to drink Coronas and play Pandemic with. I know the quality would be lower and difficulty higher, but I just can't do what you're doing.

The only reason Dad beat my ass when I was a kid was for lying. I'm simply incapable of doing it.

In fact, I've asked myself why I'm so insistent on getting him to admit the full ramifications of supporting Trump, and it actually turns on this. Dad beat my ability to lie out of me, then turns around and supports someone who lies as easily as he breathes?

This can not stand.

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Life? Genetics?

He was always a heavy social drinker, but so was our entire circle (and many people in his career field). I certainly was, as well. But these things are gradual - I didn’t notice how much more he was drinking, and (in hindsight) I think he started sneaking drinks. Initially, I stopped getting drunk while we were out, so I could drive us home safely. Then it turned into babysitting him so he wouldn’t shoot his mouth off and get in a fight. In the end, I was driving him home and putting him to bed dead drunk by 9pm every night, then turning around and going back out so I could actually relax and have fun without having to deal with him

There was no trigger or anything, he just either never saw or completely ignored the tangible warning signs that his drinking was getting out of control. Including, it would seem, him refusing to give up drinking and losing his wife as a result of that choice

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So if a guy looksmaxes and does a Chad transformation will he never actually have to try in any other department?

Because my takeaway from the common sentiment here is this: because I am 6'0" and not super hideous, then all I need to do is save up for cosmetic surgery and bulk up at the gym and then all I need to do is walk in a room and get any girl I want? Because looks matter so much for men nowadays that I shouldn't even bother trying to make my personality all mainstream alpha or try getting rich because I'll be hot?

And I know there's tons of rationales like maybe the surgery won't work but modern plastic has come a long way and if you're average that just means you have a few bad features that need to be fixed for much less than the price of a car and apparently that will make your romantic life instantly upgraded for most of the remainder of your life.

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The animosity mostly comes from some healthy sibling rivalry, but it's main opposition is in the tradition of thought; continental philosophy traditionally studies the philosophy of Germany, France, Continental Europe in general. Analytic has come to be the main school of philosophy in the Anglosphere, etc.

You'll probably find the biggest rifts between them in epistemological approaches, methodology and use of terminology.

For paint an affectionate caricature—

Analytic philosophy:

STEM-lords and Debate Bros™ unite!
Did someone say Karl Popper?
Will throw latin phrases and play argument fallacy referee at you if you piss them off
Likelier to find a job. Also: fax & logic

Continental philosophy:

Postmodern neo-marxists
Probably think they know French and/or German better than they actually do.
They like long walks on the beach, but hopefully on a leash and dressed in a puppy leather helmet
They jerk off to Hegel and definitely own a turtleneck.

Both overlap a lot though, and while some draw political distinctions I think it's rather meaningless, especially as a leftie who knows there is a fair of of left-wing cuntie and analyticucks fighting about leftist theory at any given moment lmao

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I'll respond, but not with a pic.

You most definitely lift.

Getting to a decent v-taper kind of killed my motivation to lift, but summer is coming as are vaccines. I've mostly held on to gainz but haven't extended them, which is kind of inexcusable considering the circumstances.

I also think I need to move my barbell out of my bedroom, there's not much room out here but I just haven't been able to lift in my bedroom.

Actually, this give me a great idea, so thanks: I could move my plates out here, put my dresser in a different place, and store my half rack & barbell where my dresser now is, and then take it out to the living room on lifting days.

I used to think DYEL was the dumbest bro-shit imaginable. I now hear it as "do you do the bare minimum?"

Most dudes my age are not only not fit, plenty haven't seen their dicks since the Clinton administration.

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The context tho was that her previous post embodied the exact boogeyman she was mocking in her post today.

Also, there's this ambiguity and subtle gaslighting in whether or not looks are "primary" as you put it. I think it would be more accurate to say that, for women, looks are sometimes but not necessarily the majority factor in attraction. But they are absolutely the plurality. So it's technically possible a guy to make up for an ugly face or being short, but way harder than women like to pretend.

It's just disingenuous to promote the idea that improving your looks isn't the single most important thing either sex can do to increase dating success, and this is the natural conclusion of her first post. Which, if we're being honest, is more about women flattering their own egos and supposedly more evolved sexual taste relative to men, than it is about saying anything accurate about how they choose their partners.

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I think you're kind of fusing the impressions of more toxic posts with our gal big tiddy goth gf— I kind of understand it though, I just think that from a female perspective some of the toxicity comes from over and over being told that women are unable to actually have an honest observation or that their past and current partners aren't good people but simply good-looking guys that will cheat on 'em, you know?

At the end of it, I think all PPD'ers need to stop with reciprocating the salt either side gets from the other side's bad-faith counterparts on everyone else. I often need to catch myself from doing the whole ''yeah but the other day y'all were saying [insert whatever gaslighty shit i've gotten from incel alt accounts]'', und so weiter, as if these are the same people are the person I'm talking to. It's instinctual/an easy trap to fall into, but I think it's a fallacious thing that we all would benefit on avoiding!

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I.e., ~~an incredibly insecure guy.~~ a guy who wants to avoid infidelity.

Sexual promiscuity was significantly positively correlated with emotional promiscuity [r(356) = .261, p < .001], as well with sexual infidelity [r(323) = .595, p < .001] and emotional infidelity [r(323) = .676, p < .001], indicating that sexually promiscuous participants also tend to be emotionally promiscuous, and sexual[ly] and emotional[ly] unfaithful. In terms of the sexual domain, results showed that there is also a positive correlation between sexual promiscuity and sexual infidelity, stating that individuals that tend to be more sexually promiscuous also tend to be more sexually unfaithful. These results support our second hypothesis.

Pinto R., Arantes J. (2016). The Relationship between Sexual and Emotional Promiscuity and Infidelity in Proceedings of the Athens: ATINER’S Conference Paper Series, No: PSY2016-2087, Athens, 10.30958/ajss.4-4-3

https://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/bitstream/1822/38625/1/Ricardo%20Bruno%20Barbosa%20Pinto.pdf

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And I agree it’s all about the face. But the thing is a man’s face usually looks its best when a man is around 8-12% bodyfat because that’s when their jawline and cheekbones show the most.

That's assuming he has a favorable bone structure though, and if he does, he'll still look good at higher body fat. I think the file name of the #1 photo I linked was called 18-20% body fat.

Also yeah the 2nd guy will probably be the most successful in the casual sex scene, that’s mostly what I meant by my post.

Men value being successful in the casual sex scene though. I think they both would be successful, with the same face, though #2 looks the most likely to be pursuing casual sex.

I’m guessing a lot of girls who won’t prefer guy #2 for relationships is because they think he’s a fuckboi or like other women said spends too much time in the gym or counting macros (lol)

Haha, it's both, yeah. But if he's not a fuckboi and not spending too much time in the gym and counting macros (not possible though, with that physique), then few girls are gonna say "no thanks, too ripped". It's just very likely he'll be a fuckboi or spending too much time on maintaining his physique, that's what they don't prefer.

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Right like take a male model, even at a higher bodyfat he’ll have an aesthetic symmetrical face, but that sharp jawline and protruding cheekbones will only show at lower bodyfat %. I don’t have a male model bone structure but I still have strong facial features and losing weight has made them show a lot more and made my face a lot more attractive.

This is also why women can be more attractive fat than men, because round facial features are generally not as bad on women as it is on men.

I think I would still give the edge to #2 in the casual sex scene even if they had the same face (which they won’t at different bodyfat %), mostly because #2 will have a larger more masculine frame.

And yeah I hear you. I think those types of dudes will attract women who also spend a ton of time on their appearance. People tend to date people similar to themselves. I follow a few bodybuilders like Mike Thurston on IG and guys like him are usually always surrounded by models who also obsess about their appearance. I don’t think women on here relate to those types of women or those types of men, so its fair that women on here don’t wanna date that type of dude.

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Right like take a male model, even at a higher bodyfat he’ll have an aesthetic symmetrical face, but that sharp jawline and protruding cheekbones will only show at lower bodyfat %.

This is also why women can be more attractive fat than men, because round facial features are generally not as bad on women as it is on men.

Round facial features are feminine though, whilst sharper features are masculine, so that makes sense. It's dependent on where you gain the weight, I personally get a double chin at >140 lbs which is still a healthy weight for my height, so I make sure to maintain a lower weight.

And yeah I hear you. I think those types of dudes will attract women who also spend a ton of time on their appearance. People tend to date people similar to themselves. I follow a few bodybuilders like Mike Thurston on IG and guys like him are usually always surrounded by models who also obsess about their appearance. I don’t think women on here relate to those types of women or those types of men, so its fair that women on here don’t wanna date that type of dude.

I have an IG, but I strictly follow people I know and puppies/kittens/hobby stuff (ok, Henry Cavill is an exception). I wouldn't want to date someone that spends a lot of time on their online persona, no.

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Round facial features are feminine though, whilst sharper features are masculine,

Fair enough, but you get my point though of why a lower bodyfat % if beneficial for a man's attractiveness right? I have an article explaining why: https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/ideal-body

I wouldn't want to date someone that spends a lot of time on their online persona, no.

I actually make this point a lot on here. The women on PPD are not the type of women that red pillers interact with. The type of women red pillers are interacting with are the ones posting their ass on instagram or being trashy at a club or playing guys on tinder. That's why they have such a low opinion of women. I don't believe in AWALT because I think majority of women are decent, but if you only chase after the baddies you can't be surprised when they fuck your shit up hard

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Fair enough, but you get my point though of why a lower bodyfat % if beneficial for a man's attractiveness right? I have an article explaining why: https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/ideal-body

I think we're agreeing, but from different points of view, since I'm coming from the female viewpoint on casual sex. I don't partake, so I think they both look attractive. If the goal is casual sex, it helps to look as manly and masculine as possible. If lower body fat is necessary to have the facial bonestructure required, then yes, he'll be better for the job at a lower body fat.

I actually make this point a lot on here. The women on PPD are not the type of women that red pillers interact with. The type of women red pillers are interacting with are the ones posting their ass on instagram or being trashy at a club or playing guys on tinder. That's why they have such a low opinion of women. I don't believe in AWALT because I think majority of women are decent, but if you only chase after the baddies you can't be surprised when they fuck your shit up hard

Yeah, I've made that point a few times myself, why are the PPD-men surprised that the women they're picking through means of casual sex (dating apps) have higher n-counts than they like?

Or being surprised that women apparantly are vapid and don't have hobbies beside "vain" ones (makeup/social media), when your only criteria to her was "be hot".

Just.. smh.

Don't expect a fish to fetch the ball if that's the kind of pet you want, just get a damn golden retriever, lmao.

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What, if true, would explain what you described? It's a common type of question.

Answer: Men's and women's sexual strategies are adversarial due to basic biology.

The long and short of it:

At men's extreme, they take advantage of women physically -- rape.

At the other end, women's extreme is taking advantage of men socially -- deception of paternity, deception of sexual history to longer term partners to secure commitment/investment from those who wouldn't be interested otherwise, etc.

Men have conceeded physical exploitation as wrong.

But women today are overwhelmingly socially deceptive -- deception about sexual history to long term partners is widespread and overwhelmingly the rule. I cannot stress enough how big of a deal this is: women today are overwhelmingly socially deceptive in their mating strategy.

Interestingly, women often frame social deception in a justifiable/positive light to themselves (sometimes referred to a "rationalization hamster", due to the unconscious nature of the thought process used to justify actions/beliefs in a circular way).

Evolution naturally selects for qualities in each gender that make them more capable of maximizing their reproductive success. Men will have more reproductive success with increasing physical strength. Women will have more reproductive success through social means. Members of each gender who have those qualities will be selected for and pass those qualities to their offspring.

Your comment is consistent with this.

For example, to the extent there are legitimate or less defensible concerns from men (e.g., lying about sexual history, preferences for previous sexual partners, etc.), those concerns will tend to be downplayed, deflected, misrepresented, or lied about, whether true to a large degree or small.

Something related and less contentious might be used to reframe, for example, which characterizes your comment: Men want to invalidate sexual assault experiences and blame women. Therefore, men are wrong. How dare they blame assault victims, etc.

It's an innate quality that has been selected for in women the same way physical strength has been selected for in men over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

Make no question about it: This kind of deception is extremely exploitive.

Over time:

Women's widespread and overwhelming social deception = a widespread fear of men being willing to engage in long term sexual relationships.

In a mirror way that:

Widespread and overwhelming physical exploitation by men = widespread fear of women to engage in short term non-sexual relationships.

Neither is progress.

Both are regressive.

Progress will only come from the extent to which the most exploitive mating strategies of both men and women are eliminated.

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Ok, real life is for women what prison is like for men. 12-14% risk

No it’s not.

US rape (annually): approximately 140,000 of which about 100,000 is forcible.

Let’s assume all of those are women (and they are not).

US female population: approximately 167,000,000

That yields a .083% probability that a given woman in the US is raped per year at most.

and, women account for about 7% of the prison population, but make up about 22% of victims of sexual assault.

Rape =/= sexual assault

If we’re comparing sexual assault numbers you’d have to have some methodology for addressing the significant reporting bias effect. For example, I have been (legal definition) sexually assaulted by women numerous times but have never reported it. Men almost never report sexual assault, women surely underreport as well, but I’d bet it’s significantly less so.

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One was a robbery, I was 13 or 14 walking back from my first girlfriend’s apartment, second was a kid who brandished it at a group of us after some beef got started on the bus, again I was 14 or 15, and then much later in life a guy flashed he had a piece in his waistband when me and another guy were trying to get him to leave the park where he was selling crack near the kids playground. I lived a lot of my life in some really shitty neighbourhoods, add an anger problem, be a skinny dorky kid, and well...I’ve been in more fights than I can count, lost almost all of them, been robbed a few times, saw three people get killed, two from arson and one was a really stoned dude who threw himself off a terrace and hit head first on the concrete below, he didn’t make a sound, just a wet thump.

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Fearing for your own safety and well being is one thing. Your wife gaslighting you because she has feelings is a whole other animal.

They are exactly the same thing. Time and time again women insist they are justified in acting irrational and illogical because they 'feel' some way or another.

It's why we say they act irrational, because many of the feelings are not rational in that they do not reflect reality.

You're far more likely to die driving to/from a first date than on the first date. You're more likely to get cancer from spending time in bars than to be killed by a person in said bar. Eating out with a stranger is more likely to cause death due to metabolic disease than him actually killing you.

Yet none of these cause 'sinking feelings'. Heck, a man is more likely than a woman to be assaulted approaching her, yet girls cry victim??

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