Why do so many men here obsess over that some men get women more easily than them?

Otjeho · 2023-03-30T12:26:39+00:00

I've always been passive in regards to dating. I'm just naturally flirty and I guess I'm attractive, and from as young as I can remember (or...

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All things you listed you did by choice and now you want to cry about it?

Are you insane? Genuinely curious. You can look up in response to what I brought up this comment. You falsely and based on nothing and out of nothing accused me of hating women.

And the one thing you were forced to do, was set in place by men.

Factually false. Deserving a prize of a plate full of boiled dicks in porridge level of false. My country instituted conscription AFTER women got the right to vote. DESPITE European suffragette representative Rosika Schwimmer promising (a couple years prior) that giving women the right to vote will end all wars. One thing I was forced to do was set in place by women. And is kept in place by female majority of voters, for whom retiring earlier than men is more important than abolishing compulsory service.

Why do you assume they hate you?

If they told me so, does it cut it? If they selectively aborted a fetus because they found out it's a boy? If they deliberately dragged their husbands into criminal activity to snitch on them, put them in prison, and put their hands on all their property and assets? If they pretended to be a prostitute, got hired by a lonely nerdy guy, poisoned him to death (or to lifetime of paralysis), and robbed him of valuables?

Or are you expecting me to assume that women who hate men simply don't exist?

correct me if I’m wrong

On both fronts. First, I'm an adult man in late 30s; I know how to bring myself to leg-shaking orgasm better than any woman living in this world; "a bang maid" would be quite useless to me. Second, I know for a fact that many of my problems happened because of men. But neither these men, nor anyone on their behalf, EVER claimed that causing problems to me is their "human right".

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From the list you linked me with all the gifts and advances, it did sound like all expect one were by own choice.

YES. I don't do nice, let alone expensive, things for people that I hate. I do them, voluntarily, for women. Thus, no, I don't hate women. Except women who hate me.

I don’t see the correlation there. Who exactly set the conscription in place?

Women vote for politicians that keep compulsory service, selective service, or their equivalents based on sex in place; you don't see the correlation. Let's dig down a century to find SOMETHING to put it on men. Alternative suggestion: let's not.

Oh so “they hate you” isn’t in the literal sense and just your assumption based off your perceived notion that women hate men. Of course they exist, just like men who hate women exist (that number is probably even higher as well), but the vast majority don’t.

All true; nuance is lost - I don't think "women hate men" in general; I'm saying women who hate men have been successfully stirring the world's politics in the direction that benefits them for the last 100 years. At the expense of both men, AND women who don't hate men.

Can you give me examples of 2-3 problems caused to you in the name of human rights?

Taxes, as already mentioned. Currently, taken away from me income tax and retirement contributions make up around half of my surplus value. Mostly because a handful of decades ago women collectively decided that they want to fuck around instead of having a family and babies; as a dramatic coincidence, in the same time span, life expectancy gained a couple decades. As a result, there's a bunch of old farts and very few working people supporting them. Because millions of women chose career over family and failed at both.

Education: my area had quite glorious history of sex-exclusive education. There were male schools and female schools, male universities and female universities. All of this was scrapped basically within one year in the name of human rights. I've explained why it's a bad thing here. No-one yet successfully explained to me how having separate schools for boys and girls violates women's rights.

Workplaces: since employers are forced at gun point to allow women the same employment opportunities (even in professions that they neither interested in nor capable of doing), as a trivial example, expenses on maintaining separate bathrooms for women are deduced from my paycheck.

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So you expect that just because you give them nice and expensive things they then owe you something in return?

By you refusing to answer I’m assuming originally a man did put that into place. And are women the only ones who get to vote in your country now or?

I think amongst the people that see the shortcomings of men historically, you see hatred. That’s the disconnect.

Taxes: We just disagree here, I don’t think women have the obligation to take care of those elders. And I think it’s a good thing that they have become equal or more equal in comparison to men. I also don’t see how they’re failing at the career aspect?

Education: I haven’t really thought about it. On first thought though, I don’t see a huge issue with it depending on the context and motivation behind having some schools segregated.

Workplace: If equal employment opportunities means more people can have the chance of doing what they want, where they wouldn’t have otherwise, I don’t see an issue with it. But nobody should do something they don’t want to or is not capable of.

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So you expect that just because you give them nice and expensive things they then owe you something in return?

No. I don't expect anything in return. Because I don't hate women. Which you accused me of, based on nothing.

By you refusing to answer I’m assuming originally a man did put that into place.

Women said that giving them the right to vote will make them equal in politics. Everything that happened in politics since women got the right to vote is also on women. Everything that happened since women became the predominant voter base, is predominantly on women. The fact that women can't even find one of their own to represent their own interests - is not my, or men's, problem.

And are women the only ones who get to vote in your country now or?

Women outnumber men. Women of voting age, even more so.

Taxes: We just disagree here, I don’t think women have the obligation to take care of those elders.

I was talking about retirement benefits, not literal care services ("Currently, taken away from me income tax and retirement contributions make up around half of my surplus value").

I also don’t see how they’re failing at the career aspect?

How else do you call when an average woman never returns enough taxes into the system to cover the expenses on her own school education? As in "middle/high school", not college. There are basically no self-made female billionaires (i.e. neither heiresses nor divorcees). Virtually the entirety of American economy is kept afloat by married men (and, well, divorced men). The condition of female "liberation" was that women become economically independent from men. This did not happen. All the expenses of this social experiment were put on men.

If equal employment opportunities means more people can have the chance of doing what they want, where they wouldn’t have otherwise, I don’t see an issue with it.

These "chances" do not fall from the sky. Workplaces are not gifts from the gods. If women want to "do what they want", they can make their own. Revised laws on divorce have been redistributing all of the world's wealth in women's favor for decades. Revised inheritance laws - for centuries. Finally, if I run a small company and don't want to hire women out of principle and conviction, it should be exercise of freedom of association. Not a crime.

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If you don’t expect anything in return why did you even bring it up as examples?

Explanation number four. Because. You accused me. Of hating women.

Majority female voter base means it’s still lots of men voting as well

Which is why I never said that everything that happens in politics is only on women.

And so I was right

I don't know; I never cared to look up specifically if it was a man or a woman who wrote that law. What I do know is that the initiator of destruction of segregated schools and workplaces in my area was a woman.

However, considering that women 100+ years ago said that women don't have the right to vote (therefore, politics are not their fault), and you now say that women decided not to elect other women (therefore, politics are not their fault) - do you want wheels on that goalpost so it's not as tedious to drag it around? In year 2008, feminist National Organization for Women endorsed Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton.

How does these retirement benefits look like? Only elderly women get benefits or?

A) In many countries of the world, women retire earlier than men. In no country, men retire earlier than women. B) In all countries of the world, women live longer than men. C) In all countries of the world, women have lower workforce participation than men.

Retirement benefits look like taking money that mostly men earned, and redistributing it mostly among women other than those men's wives; this is by design.

As for "do only elderly women get benefits", in many instances it's the case; since remember, women work very important jobs as nurses. Jobs so important that several million excess men worldwide died of covid in hospitals, many as a result never surviving until retirement. But it's totally not women's fault. But politics where women elect men to represent their interests is totally men's fault. I am being sarcastic.

it’ll come around eventually. Women haven’t been able to work for very long.

It's been more than a century. That last woman who "hasn't been able to work" because of her sex in my area died before I was born.

Same thing goes for if women only wanted to hire other women, or if a racist only wanted to hire his/her own race. If the appropriate credentials are met, I think it’s a good law to equal the playfields more

Considering the equal playing field, and that it's constitutionally mandated that equal crime should result in equal punishment, why are prisons segregated? A rhetorical question; we both know why. Copy-pasted from older comment:

by separating prisoners by sex and sending them to different facilities, you can send male prisoners to more distant locations, worse conditions, worse climate, worse food, worse work conditions, worse personnel, worse medical staff, and still pretend that it's the same punishment for the same crime. You also can quietly run shady semi-authorized medical experiments on male prisoners; it'll take decades before civil rights activists and organizations (too busy with demanding better conditions for female prisoners) pay attention. Everyone involved will most likely reap the benefits and die of old age by then.

There has been a case recently that due to shortage of suitable housing, Republic of Belarus had to put male and female inmates in the same facility. Male inmates asked the administration's permission and built a playground in the yard so that children's visitations feel more homely for incarcerated women (well, and kids). This is real. Ever-present evil rapists under every bush and behind every door are imaginary.

But okay; evil rapists. Because of evil rapists, segregated prisons are fair, while segregated workplaces are not.

Except, rapists also happen on workplaces. So no, it doesn't work as an argument.

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We you can hate women and see them as pussy-machines too. Those aren’t good examples.

Which is why I befriended a woman online, and went to meet her TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, AFTER she rejected my romantic advances, and AFTER I partnered up with another woman (who went to the trip with me). What "pussy-machines"? What the Hell are you talking about? Women make terrible pussy-machines; they can't even rotate at 3000 RPM. It would kill them.

Why are segregated schools needed?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/11zrqz1/red_pill_is_a_cult_that_is_brainwashing_young_men/jdepkc1/

The reasons listed for why elderly women get more benefits aren’t at their faults.

Yes. And the fact that women are both terrible warriors and incapable of electing even one of their own into power is not ours. What is women's fault tho is that trying to become "economically independent" from men, they failed, crashed fertility rates in the process, and forced men to absorb the costs. This is not what was promised by Betty Friedan when she (successfully) pushed for Equal Pay Act in the US. This is not what was promised by Alexandra Kollontai in Soviet Union. This is not what was promised by Simone de Beauvoir in France. I don't blame women for living longer. I blame women for breaking the promise.

I don’t know if any developed country where a man cannot legally retire at the same age as the woman.

Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Israel, Japan, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Serbia, Switzerland. China, if you consider it developed (which you honestly should).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age

And men have worked for 100x more than that so? That’s my point. Some things take time.

No. Wage labor is a relatively recent invention, and mostly the consequence of industrial revolution. No social change takes more time than living memory. Humans don't work like that. We're mortal, and we don't have genetic/inherited memories.

The difference between workplace and prison is that the odds of a prisoner hurting a woman is way bigger.

Good; let's talk odds. The highest probability of a person being murdered is their first day of life, by their own mother. Those mothers selectively kill boys at the rate of roughly 2:1. What we do about it? - Oh... absolutely nothing.

Joint prisons existed for the most of prison system's existence; the cases of female prisoners being hurt by male prisoners were exceptionally rare. Because they were still kept in separate wings, just within the same facility.

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You went to another country to meet her after she already rejected your advances?

Yes; because I liked her as a person as well. And it was quite magnificent; she was graduating from arts university around that time, and I attended her graduation stage play, which was a rock musical with religious undertones of salvation, the burden of sin, and the power of personal choice. We had a great time overall. And on the way back from there, we stopped in a third country in a city where my partner's favorite female comic artist lives, and gave her an envelope with foreign currency as a small gift (that third country went through some economic turmoil around that time). The female comic artist who at that time was married and raising three kids. But sure. Pussy machines.

Who set those specific retirement ages in place?

In democracies, republics, and parliamentary regimes, NO ONE PERSON puts laws in place. There's process, procedure, hearings, votings, vetoes, and such. Thus, your question makes negative amount of sense.

Laws are put in place by governments. Elected by female majority of voters. Most democracies operate on majority rule (i.e. they don't have electoral college). Women are the majority. Voter is the position of power.

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Didn’t we conclude that whoever wrote that law in your country was in fact a man most likely?

No; it was you who kept insisting that the chromosomes inside the hand that signs the law, and not DOZENS OF MILLIONS of voters who elected that hand into office, is the only thing that matters. I disagreed, and said that it's not men's problem that women failed to produce anyone (or produced too few) of their own capable of winning elections held on conditions that they, suffragist women, agreed to. Women's interests are represented in power, and have been represented in power at the moment compulsory military service on the basis of sex was instituted. This is not something women, or you on their behalf, can wiggle out of, which is what you are trying to do.

Seriously, you can just scroll up. I know you're probably on your phone, but you can do it even on your phone.

To answer your question, no, I am not autistic at all. There is a certain struggle for me to respond to you since English is not my native language, but here it doesn't matter.

Also it doesn't even fit casually, because you started blaming men long before I brought up the factual power women hold in democracies (except for the money part). You probably didn't even notice. It's just a reflex for people like you. A man points out injustice - blame him for being a man. Knee-jerk reflex.

You’ve created a world view where you ultimately become the most stepped on person of them all.

Absolutely not. I am relatively well off. But I consistently end up the only person in the room, on Reddit, on entire Internet, and occasionally in the entire world able and willing to hold women accountable for their collective promises.

Yes, men did a lot of terrible stuff. No, men never said that if women give out more blowjobs, we'll stop. And women never tried this hypothesis as a result.

Women DID promise that educating them will make them "better wives" (Wollstonecraft), and instead drowned the entire developed world in divorce epidemic.

Women DID promise that giving them the right to vote will end all wars (Shwimmer), and we are on the verge of WW3.

Women DID promise that forcing employers to hire them will make them economically independent from men (Friedan), and they are not; in fact, equivalent of post-WW1 reparations are syphoned to women in the US alone.

Women DID promise that prohibition will solve the problem of violence (Temperance Movement), and the opposite happened.

And when I point these things out, women who hate me and my sex don't have anything better than to ask if I'm autistic.

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Why don’t we look it up then? That should settle it if a man or woman first wrote that law.

I never agreed to the gender of the law's immediate author as a criterion for anything. At the moment compulsory military service was instituted, Shwimmer's promise that giving women the right to vote will end all wars (and thus make armies obsolete) was 10 years old. At the moment WW2 started (the one that female suffrage, according to Schwimmer, was supposed to prevent), most of the women who supported her during her "suffrage will end all wars" speech were still alive. None of them got conscripted into front line combat roles.

The law was written by a committee, but did it have any women at the moment of drafting, passing, and publishing the compulsory military service law, I can't find. Instead a couple annoying links keep insisting that virtually all members were Jews. At least one mentioned name (in those annoying links) is female.

Women today aren’t responsible for the promises of the past.

"Real Nazism has never been tried." Good; I should not be responsible for women's promises of the past either.

Which means, the reforms made on the basis of those promises should be rolled back. Because currently, as I said in probably the first comment, I am forced to absorb the costs of those promises.

The reforms in question (that should be rolled back) are:

malicious destruction and ban of separate male education, healthcare, labor unions, and workplaces;

distribution of retirement benefits in the hands of federal government (which ends up in a positive feedback loop of getting reelected by promising women raised pensions and lowered retirement ages indefinitely);

sex-exclusive compulsory military service (if abolishing it entirely turns out impossible, women should be conscripted; as the constitution says, defending the fatherland is the citizen's duty, not "male citizen's duty");

division of assets not being dependent on marital fault (it should be);

two treaties on international ban on porn and all corresponding federal and local laws.

Additionally, should be instituted:

capital punishment or its harshest equivalent for breastfeeding on drugs;

prison time for paternity fraud.

For starters.

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most women agree to marry most men.

It's as stupid as saying "most men agree to fuck most women". Ofc they agree, not only didn't they work for it, unlike men for sex, but also it's what they want.

I got the data to prove it.

Funny, the data also proves that women prefer men older than them, with more money, higher status, ect... But somehow you think women are being lenient in their standards. The age gap thing is so bad that there are more than twice the amount of single men than women in the 18-29 bracket. And you know what they keep saying to justify this? That men need more years to be as mature as women. What do they say to justify that they find most men ugly? That men do not groom themselves enough compared to women, it's only normal to them to consider men ugly as a result.

They cant have a bias to think men are ugly and then fuck, date and marry most men. Its impossible.

Yes, just like it was perfectly possible that all the women of my social circle all crushed on the same chad who they thought was "just average". Or they get with an average man after 10 failed relationships and they feel stolen eternally for this "injustice", but they gotta do it if they want a stable home to have kids and deadbedroom him you know.

I'm being dramatic, but that people pair isn't indicative of who is dominated or taken advantage of.

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the thing with the age gap thing is

most of those men aren't sexless, just single, even the so called ''chad with harems'' are going to answer as ''single'' in the poll.

if you look at the actual sex data, young men are having more sex than young women: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/121g3ql/according_to_polls_young_women_are_more_sexless/

furthermore, more men than women are single in not just 18-30, but also 31-50 group in the pew, if they are being partnered by older men, i imagine it probably is not +60 year olds lol.

looking at the actual sex data instead of relationship and also remembering men under 30 are more than women under 30 in number, these stats actually imply that men might have more sex with older women than the reverse, albeit i just simply do not trust self reported data in either case. age gaps are not the norm in marriage in either gender's part.

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i have sent you a stat focusing not on relationships but casual sex, remember, what means single for a man and woman is not the same, if age gaps were that much normified, then older women would be single, this is not the case as most women no matter their age are more partnered up than men their age, except the +65 group, in which the explanation is that men literally die earlier, how are older women not affected by this at all if age gaps were as common as you describe?

https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2021/

you can go look at this study, how about just looking at a stat instead of denying it, appearently the 2021 data is that young men had more sex and that the gapbeteen total sexlessness was never huge in the first place.

also i will make a point about why the on pew stat isn't reliable using a point not related to age or gender, appearently about half of blacks according to pew stat are ''single'' but ''sex'' data would show you that black men and women lose their actual virginity earlier than other ethnicities and are less likely to be total virgins.

i honestly would say older women can easily sleep with younger men, an old guy has to look relatively ''young'' (full head of hair, thin or athletic etc.) but an older woman who isn't a total slob has many horny young men available.

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That seems like irrelevant to the original topic but I'll bite.

We would never have needed to work as women if men were able to provide on one income.

You would never have needed to work as women if it wasn't for capitalism wanting to cheapen the labor market by making more people work.

More men would be able to provide on one income if labor wasn't so devalued and competitive due to the presence of women in it.

Women on the labor market are like cats in australia, they can hunt for extra food and come back home for free food otherwise, they've the advantage of both feral animals and house pets. Women can marry to gain money and status, or work, or both, usually both. Men hardly can gain anything from marrying.

Now everything plays together as a vicious circle, women need to be independent since marriage isn't eternal (even though they're the ones to divorce the most and that they get alimony), so it cheapens the labor market, which makes men less financially competitive, which forces more women to work... All for what? For the benefit of some rich families.

We don’t get turned on by red pill. We literally find it appalling.

It is normal for women to be appalled by the understanding of raw male sexuality and incentives, but maturing includes accepting the other gender's different nature.

TRP didn't exist, but the collection of beliefs and behavior I formed to be more successful socially are the baselines of TRP, it works wonders.

Blue pill men will end up happy. Always getting laid and everything else you want will back fire if you fight against us. Why? Because while your arguing against misandry, the men that aren’t are actually getting the best women.

Boss to their employee: Unions won't make you happy, it'll backfire if you fight against us. Why? Because while you're unionising, the people who work are actually getting the best salaries.

That is just not how reality works. The blue pill men who are happy are in fact behaving more purple/red pilled than you think, and are just not intellectualizing the healthy and necessary force rapport of relationships. The actual blue pill men I know are alone, sad, or collecting failed relationships. I was a failure until I started considering women as having antagonistic interests. I bet you do not know a single blue piller who actually think their wives have to be happy the same way they do, they understand women are different and they do compromises for things to work, they still seduce and flirt their wife and play dread games in a manner you do not notice because they're just more socially skilled, which is why they never had to intellectualize TRP for their own good.

Similarly, the people who have the best salaries and who feel the most free are usually are those who integrate correctly the force rapport against their employers and are capable to play the labor market in their favor. And the people with the lowest salaries are the very loyal dutiful people who get exploited.

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Because you've already jumped through the hoops to get sex the guy before you didn't. So doing that does not benefit you. Why should a guy work for the sex another man didn't work for?

What men enable by jumping through hoops for women who have not made other guys jump through hoops is that it's ok to hold different men to different sexual standards. And in that respect the man who works for the sex is always sexually inferior to the man who didn't have to work it.

The onus isn't on men to just accept that because they should (when again it doesn't benefit them). The onus is on women to hold all men to the same standards.

Also its always as simple as don't enable things that don't benefit you. I'm not working hard for sex when clearly the woman was ok with other guys not working hard for sex. I want an easy beneficial life not an arbitrarily difficult one.

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No, i wouldn't feel entitled to exotic vacations just because he had taken girls there in the past. The difference though, is that in the first scenario, even if the woman makes you wait she still eventually has sex/develops a relationship with you. Although the relationship may take longer to develop (there is usually not enough initial raw attraction for women to just jump on men, this is such a small percentage of people it's sort of ridiculous to feel entitled to live life like them or be so jealous) that closeness, love, and physical intimacy will still eventually come (going by the scenario you've painted where she eventually sleeps with you).

In your scenario, the "benefit" never comes. It would be a more fair comparison to say men might pay for a vacation for Sydney Sweeney (or whoever) without ever talking to her, but would have to let a relationship develop and trust form before taking a more average woman on an expensive vacation. There's nothing crazy about that to me

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You wouldn't feel entitled but in all honesty it would bother you it would bother any honest person if that happened to them. You also act like men getting sex eventually nullifies the extra effort they had to put in to get it. Do you think men like courting women? Do you think men think it's fun? No guy likes putting in tons of effort to get sex a guy got for free.

Like you keep trying to separate sex and relationships but guys don't just court women to continue courting women they court women ultimately for sex and eventually sexual exclusivity i.e. a relationship. So when a dude puts in all that effort to get sex and see's another guy get it for nothing that automatically devalues her sex. He shouldn't have to work harder as she's already demonstrated other men don't have to work harder for sex.

So that extra effort will always be the difference. That is the difference this entire time after all. It's not inconsequential, one guy got laid the first night, the chump has to wait three weeks and prove his worth. Lmao why didn't the first guy have to prove his worth. Like you can't acknowledge sex is a man's reward and then downplay that another guy getting that same reward after way, way more effort isn't a big deal/difference.

"There is usually not enough initial raw attraction for women to just jump on men". Yeah so if a woman doesn't immediately jump on you she's doesn't have raw attraction for you, the guy then has to earn it like a loser. So basically you just proved my point right here which I already knew was womens true feeling on this matter the whole time. One guy is so rawly sexually attractive he gets sex super fast while the other guy is so sexually neutral he has to work for it. Those are two clearly different ways of treating a man. Just like taking one woman on exotic vacations and another to the park is two clearly different ways of treatment.

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You keep saying I am proving your point- I don't think we're in agreement about what is being discussed. The question is not do some woman have sex more quickly with guys they find immensely attractive, that is not controversial and not up for debate. The question is, are you, as an (assumedly) average looking man entitled to be treated like these super attractive men, and does choosing to pursue a more traditional courtship (which honestly even the hottest guys would have to do to marry an equally hot girl) somehow devalue the relationship that eventually develops.

I'm not separating sex and relationships at all, I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that you were pursuing relationships with the women you wanted to sleep with. If anything, you seem to be separating sex and a loving, mutually pleasurable experience by referring to sex as something someone "gets for free" and complaining about actually having to spend time with someone before they'll sleep with you.

You are complaining that you are being treated exactly the same as 99% of men- doesn't that strike you as spoiled and ridiculous? It'd be like me getting mad that random strangers won't pay my student loans for ass pictures or fly me around the world. That just doesn't happen to average looking people

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Did you not read what I wrote? Men have to start having these demands. Their lack of demands is why dating for men is so unbelievably hard in the first place. Most men validate women way too frequently and way too easily which over inflates their actual value. If men had standards and didn't validate or sleep with women below their leagues just because of horniness these women wouldn't go on to think they are too good for most men and have standards way too unrealistically high.

Our entire society is just bathing in simp culture and it's not sustainable. Men need a backbone they need self worth and caving to what women want is not how they get it. Men have already been caving to the demands of women for decades now and look what happens? More demands, less sex, more loneliness. Men need to take a page out of women's books and give themselves value. They shouldn't bend their desires, standards or morals to avoid being single. Men should be more traditional because our current sexually liberal society doesn't benefit average men and never will.

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Men not dating women who offer them worse treatment sexually than other men is sexist? I mean you can bend over backwards for women all you want. Sex with women isn't worth compromising your values or dignity. Like it or not a lot of men place stock in the sexual attraction their partners have for them if they notice a discrepancy there where another dude received better sexual treatment they are going to feel less sexually desirable in comparison. But your solution is to just gaslight them and tell them their feelings that they're entitled to are wrong and they should accept and give women their bodies and their sex anyway when they don't feel it's equally valued. Very progressive of you.

Most men are average which is exactly the type of guy women expect to jump through hoops. But by average men jumping through hoops there cementing that expectation that average means hoop jumper and attractive means red carpet to the bedroom. The only logical way to change that isn't to accept it, average men also can't make themselves not average. You can't change your face, you can't change your height or your penis size. So the only logical thing for them to change is the inherent value they see for themselves and to not undersell that value to women giving them a bad deal.

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It's funny how you say life can be cruel or unfair and you think men not wanting to be with women who undervalue them sexually is supposedly unfair to you so where's the problem? It's as simple as life is unfair right? End of story, unfair things happen so it makes perfect sense these men are doing supposedly unfair things to women. Or is it only ok for life to be unfair when it happens to people who aren't you/dont fit your world view?

Most men could never bang 100+ women no matter how many times they acted exactly how they're "supposed" to act. If you're not lying about your body count your probably some Chad progressive larper like HasanAbi who pretends the reason he's sexually successful with women is because he's a progressive liberal and is "pro women" but it's really just because he's tall and handsome.

Again average men have played your game and it doesn't work for them. It's not sustainable they need to look out for themselves and not settle for being sexual runner ups.

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You’re forgetting that I haven’t said that your view is not allowed. You and other men can think like that if you want, it doesn’t affect me since women will just go for guys like me who don’t think like that.

I don’t think that necessarily true. Although it would be harder for some people of course, I do think it’s achievable for most if that’s their goal. “All” have is that I’m naturally charismatic/flirty, slight above average attractive wise and good physique (that I worked for, as I was overweight growing up) I’m also 5’11. From what women have told me and why they enjoy hanging out with me is because I’m not an irritating person to be around, I make them laugh and I let them steer the direction of the relationship. AKA I’m laid back and take things as they come (probably even too laid back for my own good sometimes). And what they tell me about men they don’t like is that they’re obsessive, controlling, objectifying, overly-needy, too demanding, selfish and the list goes on. I’m simply none of those things.

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You're telling me to accept the situations where life is unfair. Accepting the situation means conforming to the situation. Women will always treat certain guys better sexually? That's unfair? Life unfair? So what's the solution there? I have to accept it right? So if my proposition of men not dating women who treat them different sexually is unfair the solution by that logic is for society to also accept it. And that acceptance will eventually lead to conformity. You're only one Chad. Chads are a minority. The majority of men fail with women as proven by the rise in red pill, black pill, and incel culture. Women can't keep recycling Chads. They have to eventually settle down and when there is no safety net for women from men settling for sub par sexual treatment these women will realize they can't have it both ways and then they'll value average guys more because they can't just have them after there done having sex with men out of their leagues.

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You literally said yourself men are obsessed with this sexual mistreatment. Like you know this is a big issue among men, so much so you just blanketly said men in your posts title. Not a small subset of men not a minority you said men because even in your own brain you know deep down men in general don't like unfair sexual dichotomy, sexual mistreatment.

That's a valid reason to avoid dating someone. Your solution to that issue is to gaslight them with the threat of being alone instead of telling them their personal relationship standards are valid and they should pursue what feels right to them and makes them happy. There's no moral or ethical difference between men wanting women who treat them sexually equal and women who want men who don't care about their sex lives at all. Both points of view are valid in their own right but your solution again is to shame, insult and gaslight men under threat of loneliness to have sexual interactions and relationships with women who's values make them uncomfortable.

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Having sexual values/standards/morals isn't insecurity. It's pure ignorance to invalidate someone's sexual preferences and act as if men owe women their bodies, their sex on their terms. Life literally does not work that way and it sucks you slept with so many low quality women who don't care about men's wants or needs or feel the need to trivialize them but I'm so glad I didn't do that. Sometimes I wonder why I'm married and in a healthy almost decade long relationship and then I meet guys like you and realize why. Because I have standards. I have a backbone. And I exercise my sexual autonomy as a man by not engaging with women that don't sexually resonate with me.

I want to help other men get what I have and I will continue to do so. You can continue banging low quality women and shaming men for how their sexuality works.

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I don't think there needs to be logic as some sort of justification for why a person has a sexual standard. A person being the arbiter of their body and what they do with it and who they give it to is pretty much a case closed.

Like I could understand if I was telling women they had to stop doing x behavior because men don't like it but I'm not. I have no control over what a woman does. But what I do have is control over what I do and what I feel is right. And men seem to not understand this concept. Like meeting women the full way on whatever they want seems to be the societal default at times and it doesn't have to be and some guys just need to hear that to wake up. They can choose to do things to their benefit if that's what they want for themselves.

Will there be consequences for these men? Who knows? But obviously guys don't like sexual inequality. And if they don't like it the solution isn't accepting it, it's not policing women and telling them what to do or how to act. It's simply disengaging and not enabling something they don't want. Find a woman who meets their values they will be infinitely more happy than settling for fear of being alone.

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It's not being a bitter loser to not date women who give men better sexual treatment than yourself.

See the problem is you think looking for a relationship should equal hard to obtain sex for men. Why? Because that's what benefits women? Because that's how relationships work? Most relationships start from having casual sex so the two really aren't that different. If a woman wants to make a guy work for sex to date her that's fine it's her body her choice. But a guy doesn't have to date a woman that gave out sex way too easily to the guy before him.

Men value sex the same way women value relationships. Why should I undervalue my importance of sex to accommodate a woman's value of relationships? Men care a lot about sex so if women want relationships they should be pragmatic about who they give it to all the time and not just when a guy makes her uncontrollably horny.

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Men don't work harder to be 6ft, they give up. I'm one of those men. I lifted, went to university, built a career, approached countless women, but dating sucks so I'm giving up and seeing Sugar Babies. I won't work harder when the results are so poor vs time invested.

Cuz we live in a society that taxes us for the greater good to help out women....who turn around and say Chad or Bust.

It's not that Chad does better than Betas, he always has even in 1950s, but in 1950s majority of men got married to a young thin woman.

Nowadays? Young men are majority single until 30, sexless for a year or virgins still. And they are kinda pissed.

And women have said we want to have casual fun with Chad in our 20s then look to get married to a Beta in their 30s, avg age of first marriage is like 28 and rising for women. And you know what? Those sexless men in their 20s, won't be good partners, and when she compares them to the Chad she slept with in her 20s she's going to be very depressed about settling. It's not a recipe for a happy marriage, hence so much divorce.

Society is built off of families. Society asked avg men to use their free time to contribute and pay taxes instead of being bums they usually are, and in exchange they got wives to work hard for.

Now women with modern day jobs and income and the safeties society offers like policing, she no longer wants to marry young. And then you're seeing young men revert to being bums. It won't end well but the current system has momentum keeping it alive.

Society is dead and Chad's killed it XD /s

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Title	Why do so many men here obsess over that some men get women more easily than them?
Author	Otjeho
Upvotes	6
Comments	327
Date	March 30, 2023 12:26 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/126lgca/why_do_so_many_men_here_obsess_over_that_some_men/
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