Thoughts on “Passport bros”?

Protocol_Apollo · 2023-02-14T11:05:09+00:00

Yeh passport bros have exploded in the last 5 or so years. In 2012 if you mentioned leaving the west for better women, you’d be laughed at, now, most men would say something like “yeh I can see why you would do that”.

It scares me a little bit, that all the good traditional men might be leaving,

I wouldn’t say it’s all. Far from it. It’s growing for sure. But not all. They’re still a minority.

And I wouldn’t exactly say it’s mainly traditional men leaving either. LATAM/Asia are sex tourist hot spots.

Passport bros these days come in all kinds of flavours: some are the traditional type coming for a traditional wife, some are looking for sex tourism and using sexual arbitrage (white dude in Asia gets more attention than at home), some are just there because of the worsening sociopolitical climate of the west and wanted a place that’s safer, where living costs aren’t as high and the dollar can take them further.

Sure there might be overlap between these camps but these days, passport bros exist for a fair few reasons.

But I think your real question is “what do?” What to do if you have a growing contingent of men becoming passport bros?

that American women (and specifically Black women), are being painted negatively with a very wide brush in those communities, but I believe many of their frustrations are valid, as second wave feminism, body positivity, and sex positivity make the female dating pool horrendous here.

Be a breath of fresh air for men.

You know men’s frustrations, their concerns, what the dating pool is like, don’t follow in the footsteps of the women who would inspire men to go the passport bro route.

That’s all you can do. You can’t control them leaving, you can’t shame them for it, (they left the west because of that), all you can do is control yourself and be the type of woman your ideal man is looking for. It’s easier than you think since the bar is so low.

Don’t worry about the men who’ve left/are leaving, worry about those who are still here.

willowaverie · 2023-02-14T12:25:22+00:00

Is this a recent TikTok thing? I can name 15 guys I personally know who wouldn’t dream of leaving the US to find a feminine red pill wife. I think this is not the norm, and if so there’s an insecurity/ maybe a kink happening or a very specific heritage their pin pointing. I wouldn’t worry, I’d hop off TikTok or any plat form that’s convincing you. I think it’s really silly honestly like it made me laugh reading it because men have gone to other countries for years to find brides (mail ordered bride it was referred to for a long time) but yeah no. This isn’t a new huge thing or anything, if he thinks he can’t find ANYONE here he’s got self esteem, lack of confidence, lack of paitence and seriously needs to expand his area of search nearby. 🫠

SunshineSundress · 2023-02-14T02:55:55+00:00

My honest opinion is that these men need to understand that AWALT is AWALT, no matter where in the world you find your women. Sure, feminism and leftism may have particularly affected Western women, but that doesn’t make Eastern women or Southern Hemisphere women worlds ahead in comparison - women are still women. Sure, they are raised with more traditional values which makes them more willing to take on traditional gender roles like taking on more of the household work, and are less obsessed with silly woke ideas like body positivity or sex positivity, but that’s pretty much the biggest difference.

It’s just kind of funny that these men pedestalize Asian women as submissive little geishas. In reality, A LOT of Asian households have wives who are MUCH more unabashed with their nagging to get their way, who are blunt when it comes to their disappointment about finances/quality of life, and who will not hesitate to undermine their husbands in front of a crowd to save their own face (ask me how I know, and why I had to come to RPW to unlearn years of that kind of coding in the first place, lol). Do they think that tiger moms do 180s and just suddenly become gentle water lilies for their husbands, lol?

The same goes for the women at the other destinations that these passport men like to go to. Passport bros often complain about American women having unrealistic standards, but do they not realize just how hypergamous Russian and other Eastern European women are? To them, the standards that American women set are disappointing and don’t even meet their bare minimums. They are much more pragmatic about their goals when it comes to relationships, marriages, and families, so I find it a bit comical that men who fail to impress American women think they can hold on to the love and dedication of an EE woman after she gets what she wants.

And that brings us to the crux of the problem: passport bros need to understand that they are attempting to use Beta Bux Game on women where the asking price may be cheaper thanks to the power of the American dollar/euro. Even so, Beta Bux Game means that they are playing a losing game: when you lead with your ability to provide and not your masculinity, attractiveness, and dominance, the result is that you end up with women who want long term commitment and provisioning from you, but not women who are deeply sexually attracted and drawn to you. I’d argue that these men might not even get women who fully respect and submit to them, because they all know what these passport bros really are: what the Japanese have nicknamed them as - “LBH”: Loser Back Home.

If you are not sexually successful in the west, you may attract some attention in the East, but genuine and sustained respect, burning sexual desire, and true submission you will not.

marceqan · 2023-02-14T11:11:57+00:00

I live in a country that’s one of their destinations. They are usually very disappointed that the women don’t throw themselves at them just because they are from a dollar/euro country. The ones that are interested usually don’t speak much English and are purely money oriented (surprise surprise). I wouldn’t worry about this, those men usually want to live a fantasy and it’s not the men you’d like to date anyway. There are plenty of feminine women in the US, black femininity channels are on the rise - it’s unlikely that those men never came across feminine women at home, it’s very probable they did but those women rejected them, so they will use their passport to lure foreign women - it’s not a new concept, mail order brides have been around for decades, it’s a way for women to get out of poverty and provide for their families back home and for the men to have a wife. My guess is that relationships that are transactional to that extent have a limited potential for happiness, once the woman gets her citizenship she files for divorce or they stick around in a loveless marriage for companionship and security.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2023-02-14T14:56:36+00:00

So as a guy who has lived in both the West (primarily) but also in both Western (UK) and Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine) I can offer some perspective.

First, the numbers of guys doing this are not going to be significant enough to move the needle. They will increase a bit as the world becomes smaller and we move to more of an online/gig economy people are going to have more freedom of movement.

Second, the guys doing it are of all races (the "Passport Bros" are characterized as black men, but I think that's b/c black women are more sensitive to the reduction of eligible black men bc: reasons that are beyond the scope of this reply.)

Third, the guys are historically not guys who were successful at home. That's changing, at least a bit. With more freedom of movement and less satisfaction of what's on offer at home, guys are going to look abroad more, at least those who can. The guys who can move there and maintain their western income are going to be more likely to win at this game.

Fourth, for the guys, it's a different set of problems. Guys thinking they are going to move abroad and find a Slavic or Asian unicorn to be their Disney Girl are likely going to be disappointed. AWALT is in full effect, but at least she's going to know how to cook. I knew an E. European woman in the US who told me she was amazed - AMAZED - at the lack of femininity and particularly the inability of women in the West to cook. Her, "From the time we are 6 years old, we are helping mom or granny cook delicious meals! There is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS!" Yes, so when I say that cooking is the "secret weapon" to upping a woman's RMV, I am not joking. It's a learnable skill and nobody else is doing it. It's something a girl can trot out and say, "Oh, did I mention this cool power I have? I can turn raw meat and vegetables into delicious hot food!" I know a Polish girl (born there, mostly grew up here) who looks/acts like a cigarette-toting, tattooed biker chick w/attitude, but give her an apron and put her in a kitchen and you will love what comes out of it 3 hours later.

Fifth, it is more of a tradcon path, and a dude better be able to pull his own weight, and hers because: tradcon. Before I became the Dark Lord of TRP, I would have been perfectly happy in a tradcon life, but I kept getting run over in the dating marketplace by proto-feminists who wind up on the 6th floor of the Husband Store, confused and emotionally broken. Didn't help me in my 20s, though. So since that wasn't working out, I decided I had to start looking out of numero uno, and, well, now I am who I am. Sometimes, we find happiness in a different place than where we think to look.

Finally, probably not smth RPW need to worry that much about. Just focus on RPW skills and you are going to outclass other Western women by a mile.

Jenneapolis · 2023-02-14T04:32:53+00:00

I’m sure there are a minority of US men doing this but there are also plenty of guys who want American girls. It really goes both ways. Our community is very focused on a desire for conservative men so I can see we might heavily skew toward thinking they are all leaving but as an American woman who has and is dating non American men, they see the challenges dating women from other cultures as well.

Despite the stereotype of Asian women being submissive, there are quite a lot of demands that often can come along with it including a high level of family obligations/involvement and in general much quicker timeline/pressure for marriage. We know here that American men in general are skewing away from marriage more so this doesn’t always fit the bill as well as they think it might in the beginning. And Latino women are known to be fiery and not submissive. Now these are all just stereotypes in the same way American/white women are being stereotyped but the international guys that I’ve been out with always say “you white women are SO nice and sweet. My mom/auntie/sister would yell at me for doing xyz.” So this topic is really not as black and white as it seems. The short of it is, different guys are going to take different strategies but I don’t see American women at a disadvantage.

WhatIsThisAccountFor · 2023-02-14T14:58:28+00:00

This isn’t new, and it isn’t becoming more common. It’s just a trend, and most of the people “following” the trend probably aren’t in a financial position to afford this.

Realistically, you have nothing to worry about. Men have been marrying foreign women for as long as foreign travel has existed.

Living_the_dream87 · 2023-02-14T01:58:53+00:00

Have you seen 90 day fiance? The good ones are not looking overseas lol

WorthSevere5323 · 2023-02-14T12:29:17+00:00

I’m not worried at all lol

I’ve creeped on those passport bro forums before and those guys are total creeps.

Traditional masculinity is no where to be seen, just whining about not being able to impress women with $5 cheeseburger dinners in America lol

Also as a religious woman, these men are NOT Godly.

I actually feel bad for the women in these poverty stricken countries who have to participate in passport bro s*x tourism in order to put food on the table.

TheBunk_TB · 2023-02-14T13:10:38+00:00

Its third wave and intersectional now.

Cultural issues have poisoned the traditional areas too. (Consumerism and laziness especially).

I don't blame the men, but they forget that they must navigate a different set of cultural issues elsewhere. I did when I was overseas and it isn't a one size fits all solution.

(The women still have needs and wants.)

I do think that the "passport bros", for the most part, are interested in long term connections. I personally dont have a problem with it. For a religious man, I think it could be a good idea, but one has to keep their head on a swivel.

Not to be sour, but it will hurt women who already away from the margins. It will either drive them into extreme positions (or further into the morass they maybe already in). The non-competitors will hurt the same.

I'm not sure if there will be a renaissance for women (the ones on the margins, at least). There is too much of a sunk cost, can't help someone outside of "the herd" mentality out there.

(Rennaissance being where it is a recognized non-fetishistic adoption of traditional femininity into the mainstream, or at least where localized communities adopt this, outside of insular groups).

PositionFar26 · 2023-05-02T07:11:52+00:00

I'm a "passport" woman. I married a Russian. The quality of these "passport" men seems very low, so I wouldn't worry about it. I'm a traditionalist and know many women who are as well, many of whom have met traditional men.

My advice is to be picky. I actually met my husband on Tinder ironically. I took it very seriously and only swiped right on men who didn't have party photos. They had to have good bios, no picture with other women, etc. It worked for me.

CauliflowerElegant76 · 2023-02-16T15:41:58+00:00

I immigrated to the West from Eastern Europe as a child so I’ve been familiar with the passport bro lifestyle long ago. I feel like a lot of men are mistaken when they think women from poorer countries are actually into them for more than their potential to give them a better life.

Similarly to passport bros, a lot of Eastern European women marry men from South Asia who bring them over the west through immigration or as refugees. For example, I know a many couples where an Eastern European woman marries a man from Afghanistan because he can bring her to the west as a refugee. Sometimes these relationships do work out but there are other times when a these women leave the guy after they arrive in the west.

If you’re a passport bro, my advice would be to be careful. There’s a clear power imbalance in this sort of situation - you’re providing a lady with a chance to get citizenship in a western country which is desirable to many women back home. I’m sure if you’re smart enough you’ll be able to tell the difference between a woman who’s genuine about her feelings towards you and someone who just wants to use you.

Also if you’re interested in Eastern European women, be ready to provide and be romantic - they are used to masculine Eastern European men showering them with romance and being the main provider. Don’t expect these ladies to go 50/50 with you and find a job once they arrive in the west.

Mister_Badger · 2023-02-14T14:59:45+00:00

If these men were truly traditional, they would care about their ethnocultural group and they would want their people to survive and prosper. In reality, these men have been unsuccessful in dating and have been sold the lie that it’s because their women are somehow defective.

ayllie_01 · 2023-02-14T13:37:58+00:00

These passport bros haven’t discovered something new. For centuries, especially in immigrant households, the woman ‘back home’ was painted as subservient, meek and quiet. The perfect woman to marry if you’re a man in the west. What they don’t tell you is that the majority of those marriages are built on abuse. Financial abuse. Sexual abuse. Also the idea that a marriage to those women actually do not count. I’ve seen a couple of YouTube videos on African American men going to Thailand and slandering African American women, meanwhile he’s living with his Thai girlfriend (from poorer families) who cooks him food. Does his nails. Takes care of him. A man approaching his 60s is wasting a young woman’s life because he has made her promises. Tale as old as time. Because just like any other western woman, this young Thai girl wants a ring on her finger. She wants sure commitment. If you don’t marry her within a year, she is out. And believe me when I said this (as an ethnic woman) girlfriend status does not count and she would never put one egg in her basket. So yeah, let them go wherever. Because you can too :) live your life and honestly, go where you are adored and liked.

ewwitsjessagain · 2023-02-14T08:10:02+00:00

Lmao they may want us (foreigners/euros/etc), but we don't want them. They have a fantasy about women outside the US, once they realise that women expect more than what most are prepared to give, the illusion is shattered and they'll return home with their tail between their legs (unless they can afford sponsorship).

princess_mothra · 2023-02-14T14:26:45+00:00

What about passport bros screams high value men to you? They are unattractive, make low to average incomes, and are generally too unimpressive to be successful in dating women from their own country.

They are only successful in poorer countries in Latin America, Asia, and Africa, and sometimes Eastern Europe. And the women are not getting with them for love and admiration. Many of these women eventually will leave once they get what they need.

Fragrant-Round-9853 · 2023-03-06T19:09:54+00:00

This was a thing in the early 2000s...only the phrase was American Women Suck. And men were leaving the US for what they considered "traditional" and "feminine."

It created a lot of insecurities in myself and many other ladies I knew. Trust me when I tell you that 99 percent of those men are bald rejects. It's a small group of men that have a loud voice on the internet, thus giving the perspective that their view is common and widespread. It's not I assure you.

chxcolatewings · 2023-02-14T02:48:15+00:00

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cheesmanglamourghoul · 2023-02-14T18:59:37+00:00

These type of men are predators… good riddance. If they really an alpha they would man the fuck up and have no problem finding someone in America.

sunglasses90 · 2023-02-14T01:54:42+00:00

Good partners are a commodity. If people have the means to pay for them or to travel to get them they will do it. You’re not wrong, and it’s not that surprising.

brushshstrokes · 2023-02-14T23:01:40+00:00

I hate them because I wish I was as desirable as the women they seek.

simmingslytherin · 2023-02-14T17:44:24+00:00

european here, i don't think it's as common where i live so i'm no expert. but i always get a very insecure/loser vibe from the kind of men you're talking about. i wouldn't be too upset to see them go. but i obviously can't blame anyone for not wanting to date a western feminist and i understand why this could become a problem.

bethanymightytravels · 2023-02-14T21:00:16+00:00

There are a lot of benefits to the "Passport Bros" lifestyle, depending on how you choose to approach it. While there's no guarantee of finding the perfect mate in a foreign country, broadening your horizons and experiencing other cultures is a rewarding experience in itself. Personal anecdote: I went to Brazil and had an amazing time even though I didn't find a wife there - the food, people, and scenery all left a lasting impression.

aussiedollface2 · 2023-02-15T02:18:54+00:00

Men low of lower status change their location such that they are of immediate higher status (white man, US citizenship etc etc). I mean I can see why they might do it, but it seems the lazy option and not the sort of high quality behaviour that I would be attracted to.

FWIW the female equivalent may be older white women going to some of the African coastal locations for holidays/relationships (I saw a doco about this). Old white women feel ignored by men their own age in their countries and therefore place themselves somewhere where their desirability is immediately higher.

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Title: Thoughts on “Passport bros”?

Full text: There seems to be a growing community of men of all races being frustrated with westernized women, and leaving the U.S. to find a good and feminine wife.

It scares me a little bit, that all the good traditional men might be leaving, and that American women, and specifically Black women are being painted negatively with a very wide brush in those communities, but I believe many of their frustrations are valid, as second wave feminism, body positivity, and sex positivity make the female dating pool horrendous here.

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SakuraEmpire · 2023-02-14T23:46:40+00:00

It seems to be the opposite in people from eastern countries... I had an Indonesian ex once and he went on and on about how he liked me bc I was "different" from other women, apparently found out because Im a western woman.

Ok_Moment_8683 · 2023-02-15T22:05:41+00:00

Real love in the West is fucking terrible… I’m from Canada I’ve traveled and lived in many places and countries and I can tell you the west is awful and men are tired of it.. a lot of us men don’t ask for much we just want a women that is loving not combative that can also cook.. every time a man gets asked what he looks for in a women we get crucified on our standards why can’t a man have standards In the west!! Why would we want to be with someone who can’t boil an egg.. I can cook myself not a problem..but many men find those things attractive in a women.. it’s simple shit alot of guys don’t want promiscuous women why is that a problem?! Many of us get called misogynists for just wanting a traditional women.. why would we want a use car with thousands of miles why would we want a women who can’t cook if your man is protecting and providing for the house and making sure his queen is good.. when your in a relationship you owe your partner those things.. men as well.. I was with my ex she wanted to get married we talked about the wedding and her ideas and all she gave me was she wanted to wear a pink fucking dress the wedding and have her 40 year old brother be a flower girl… the shit sounded like a fucking circus 🎪.. dodge that bullet but anyway men are tired and men who want traditional values can’t have that here in the west it’s a to low of a percentage to find that women who isn’t damaged.. clowning men for finding love somewhere else is corny. white men find Asian women all the time that’s the most high percentage of interracial dating leave them men alone for looking for love

Icy-Doughnut4165 · 2023-02-27T00:55:53+00:00

Haha it’s not the traditional men leaving. I’m not scared at all. But guess what.. other countries should be scared. What’s going to happen is they’re going to westernize all the other countries. Maybe the next gen m will go to mars when they realize there’s actually no “trad” women left on earth 😂 Because the truth is.. it’s men who literally can’t get women it has nothing to do with them being trad. I am a trad woman and trust me, non of the Christian trad men I know are doing that crap.

Title	Thoughts on “Passport bros”?
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