Physical Appearance Alterations: Cheating to win - Lets discuss

Original_Dankster · 2021-06-30T21:03:24+00:00

LAISK or PRK. I had my eyes fixed and it improved more than just my appearance. It improved my enjoyment of athletic hobbies. It made this covid mask stuff easier since I don't have glasses to fog up. I personally recommend PRK over LASIK for athletic men, as it retains more of your eye's structural integrity. Especially if you're into any contact sports, that's important. PRK has longer recovery time after surgery compared to LASIK though.

Also, invest in tailored dress shirts. You can find tailors online who will take your measurements and make the shirts overseas and ship them to you. With the current cargo rates it might not be as cheap as it used to be. But if you have a regular or slim waist, developed lats and delts, only a tailored shirt will do.

As for hair loss, minoxidil (Rogaine) and Nizoral shampoo can hit the snooze bar on hair loss, but that's a temporary solution that will only delay the inevitable. But possibly worth it. Hair transplantation is pretty advanced now and looks pretty natural if you can afford it.

Laika_give_a_fuck · 2021-06-30T22:20:49+00:00

Never underestimate looks!
You can be the funniest guy, the richest guy, women will cheat on you for the chad, because he's haawt and you're not.
-Diet and exercise - you'll be able to meet new people this way, and this is excelent.
And the benefits to your health are insane! And you don't need money to do that, just get out your ass of this chair and take a long walk.
Take this seriously as you do chasing women. Time working out is time you'll do improving yourself, instead of being ghosted by fat biches! hehe!
-Get a haircut that matches your face. Don't know who'll do this? Go to a fancy hair salon and they will know what to do. When your hair grows again, and if you don't have the money go to an affordable hair salon and ask to trim your hair, to maintain the cut. bam! You did cut that Yee yee hair of yours!
Same thing for barbers! I Paid a lot of money to a barber once and the guy basically did his job while teaching me how to do/maintain it. Also trim your hair down there, as we say in my country: Big bushes attract snakes
-Clothes: Don't need to buy expensive clothes. Buy decent looking clothes that fit your body. Same thing for shoes. Go to an outlet if you don't have much money but don't show up on places with old ass sneakers/clothes.

-Smelling good: Don't have money to buy cologne or don't like to use it? take your time at the market and sniff the deodorants. You guys have no idea how much women complimented me by smelling good, and it was only deodorant.

- Wash and clean your car: Self explanatory, I don't care if you have a 30 yo car, it doesn't need to look abandoned. I have a 2015 car (Citroen c3), and I take care of how it looks. You'll see your face reflecting if you look at the car too close. This attract lots of positive attention, because most people aren't into cars, and can't pinpoint exacly the car's age. They judge how it looks. Even mechanically, people tend to judge a "good" or "bad" car based on its appearance only.

PabloEscalera · 2021-06-30T21:19:45+00:00

Steroids This is specifically for scrawny guys who couldnt get big, juiced, then got big

No such thing unless you have some sort of disease. Most men will be able to look good shirtless within 2 y of lifting. 99% of dudes bitching about their "genetics" have shit training programs, diets, sleep schedules or consistency.

Ps if you're browsing those blackpill subs, stop

tripleicedcoffee · 2021-06-30T23:11:37+00:00

Take care of your real teeth or get fake teeth like veneers! I got veneers and the difference in attention I received was night and day!

jojojijo333 · 2021-06-30T20:32:23+00:00

This is the same discussion as using dark triad traits: a personal choice with risks and rewards.

Loud-Bottle-7879 · 2021-07-01T14:03:24+00:00

On the baldness part, a shaved head looks WAY better than a donut, etc. I shaved my head and grew a beard, worked well for me.

Gym definitely helped, have the burly man look.

Also on appearance/clothing, the only time I wear truly casual clothing is to the gym. If I am running out for anything or it’s not 5am, I am in at the least a nice pair of jeans w a button down and some nice shoes. I always subscribe to the theory that I may meet the next CEO who would employ me, etc. I have had women express interest just by the fact that I am dressed better than other men in the room. Like I said, no full head of hair, but I look like I have things going on in my life. They think he must be something if he dresses like that (not just a sham, I do have a pretty successful career, etc).

A nice pair of jeans, some drivers/loafers, and a sport coat can work wonders. Do not underestimate that. People take you more seriously if you portray yourself in a serious manner and do not dress like a college student just waking up to go to class.

zino193 · 2021-07-01T16:12:48+00:00

Looking like her idealized man will get you in the door - but you will fall flat the second you open your mouth.

I am 5'6, wear glasses, I spend less than $200 on clothes eah year, sub average penis and balding - not even full bald. For all intents and purposes if a japanese school girl would see me across the plaza in a trenhcoat she would think otaku panty sniffer.

However, my biggest hurdles were none of those. I drive a very cheap car - it doesn't even have power steering. I live 17 miles away from the city center in the suburbs. I am extremely cheap - in general. I have a speech quirk. I am extremely humble, not even trying to be humble, just not at all braggadocios compared to my instagram generation. These were the real hurdles and still are for me.

But still I make it work, I have 4 milfs on rotation just fished from neighboring suburbia and still get the regular college girl shenanigans quite regular. And it's all frame.

Correction - it's being fuckable, being in the right spot - the club, the park, the grocery store. Stating intent with confidence and low aggression -establishing male-female fun frame and then frame control all the way to the bedroom or even beyond that.

How to be fuckable - lifting, 25 % can be fuckable. Actually I was more confident going down to 20, than I am now at 21 - I feel small. And I think that gets passed on to women. Buy clean crisp clothes that show people you are not a basement dweller. Nothing to showy, but things you don't hesitate to put on when going out. My Fatties out there know what I am talking about. Buy a cologne that suits you. The older you are, the more this matters. Counts double for experienced women. Along with this comes basic grooming, showers, beards and head shaving. Fuckable is ultimately just a minimum standard to get you out of creepy zone. You need to look like you are a functioning member of society that never killed a cat. If you can pull off a casual business lunch - you don;t need to try harder with women.

Last note: Approach the hot woman. How women are attuned better to look for real signals of masculinity. And in return they will give you more femininity after she chooses. Under 8s live in a culture where they feed off the ego of men, especially inexperienced men for their self validation. They have nothing to offer you but a smelly hole that they even expect you to eat it "to get them in the mood" and fight off their daemons.

Wajisticist · 2021-06-30T23:05:28+00:00

I advise against braces In most cases unless absolutely necessary. I was no joke 9/10 in looks perfect chiseled symmetrical jaw. Chicks would fucking stare at me in public and walk in front of me to get my attention. I was pressed to get braces over for a minor issue by my ortho at 18. The braces proceeded to sink in my teeth thus sinking in my lips and sticking my chin out. Further more I was so misaligned after the braces my jaw literally popped out of place to adjust to my new bite leaving my face asymmetrical, much rounder, and just flat out uglier than before. I get a fraction of the attention from women now. I consider myself a 7 now nothing above 7.5. Too bad I was naive, awkward blue pilled kid back then who only cared about fortnite and porn. Long story short LOOKS MATTER. But, they’re not everything as I didn’t lose my virginity until recently when I just stopped giving a fuck about anything and actually invested in my social skills. Hot and awkward< average and confident

AxP3 · 2021-07-01T09:21:56+00:00

Every guy has to look well-put together. That means working out, eating healthy, being groomed and stylish (you could perhaps go for a few sessions of teeth whitening - it'll make you smile with more confidence, and women love it). I don't see a point beyond this looks-wise. You don't want to be the tool who takes longer to get ready than women and competes with women on who's hotter.

Women don't generally prefer guys whose only concern in life is their looks. They might fuck you, but that just makes you a dildo that's along for the ride. Looks get your foot on the door, but it's your personality and achievements that makes them crave you and makes you irreplaceable.

I'm a good-looking guy, but I absolutely despise women who get stuck on my looks only. I often find this type of women to be temperamentally masculine, the type of women you want to stay away from.

Believe me, fucking a woman who would marry you tomorrow if you wished so vs fucking a woman who wants to fuck you today and never talk to you again is mind-blowingly different. Women who become vulnerable and open in your presence are the type of women you have most fun with.

ThenIJizzedInMyPants · 2021-07-01T14:11:55+00:00

I see nothing wrong with stacking the odds in your favor by whatever means necessary. Women have so many tools available to make themselves seem more attractive - men shouldn't be afraid to do the same.

Personally I made the decision to shave my head around 25 and been rocking a bald look ever since. It works for me pretty well being darker skinned with a decent head shape/structure (nowhere near Statham levels of course) and I lift, etc. Maybe I would've gotten laid more if I'd opted for minoxidil and a hair transplant but the effort and cost seem unnecessary to me. Maybe I'll try a good wig some day and see if things work better....

MCnugget521 · 2021-07-01T21:33:34+00:00

Rogaine or minoxidil works to grow a beard if you have trouble with it

dynospectrum7 · 2021-06-30T20:23:30+00:00

Get in shape, wash your damn face, and wear clothes that fit. As far as looks are concerned, its really that simple. There is no cheating. You gonna wear a fake cock with your swim trunks then expect the girl not to realize the difference if it came to that? That is what you're going to get when you lie on Tinder or wear platform shoes. FOH.

You know what isn't simple? Having game. That's something I'm willing to bet 95% of dudes here have little to zero of. Actually speaking to real world women and acquiring game can be a lot more frightening for a beginner than going into the gym for the first time or shopping for clothes that don't make you look like a damn bum.

Sorry bud. This post reeks of excuses as to why people get no booty.

Errant_Gunner · 2021-07-01T14:51:12+00:00

I had a bone tumor in my upper jaw that ate 2 of my teeth as a kid. It destroyed the root on a third so I had a massive empty spot in my upper tooth line. I finally got bone grafts and dental implants to fix that shit. It was one of the first things people noticed about me. Getting it fixed has made an immediate difference in conversation opening.

ChrimsonChin988 · 2021-07-01T10:17:00+00:00

I used to be a scrawny kid at 16 and had bad acne. For the record I have good or even great genetics, good facial structure, tall etc. But those 2 things still fucked me up as a kid.

I started lifting very young, went from 75kg to 85kg at 6'3 shredded. Also, I took Accutane and within 3-4 months my face had completely cleared up and my back almost completely. Whereas girls used to ridicule me before at times, I suddenly started getting lots of IoI's etc. At the same time because I looked better, my confidence increased, became less shy and more outgoing; you enter this positive feedback vortex and just keep going up & up.

In combination with the looks improvement I went from a 5 in looks and a 2 in confidence to an 8 for both in 4-5 years. Took a lot of work though, both mentally and physically but it changed my life I can proudly say. Now at 24 I can barely recognize myself 5 years ago, feels like a different person. People who haven't seen me for a couple of years are mindfucked.

Looks & game are like diet & physical exercise to me. I don't know which one is more important but I do know that both are extremely complementary and you should maximize both.

reluctantly_red · 2021-07-03T15:25:32+00:00

I had weight loss surgery. Best thing I ever did. Should have done it ten years earlier.

I was a fat kid and suffered as a result. I worked out like crazy in my late teens and early twenties and managed to get and stay thin for a while but it was always a struggle. As I got older it became physically harder to work out and life made it mentally harder as well. It really sneeks up on you. One day you wake up and you're over 50, have diabetes, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, heart problems, you weigh over 300 pounds, and your wife wants a divorce.

My family moved into another guy's house and I ended up living in flat that had previously been a garden shed. My life had slid so far into the toilet that drastic action was needed. I decided to have weight loss surgery. It takes a year to get through the approval process and my wife's insurance was the only way I could afford it so I had to make up BS issues to delay divorce proceedings. When it came time to have the operation I had to take care of everything myself. Since I lived several hundred mile from the hospital I got a hotel room near the hospital and set it up with everything I'd need when I was discharged (paid for an empty room for a few days while I was in the hospital). I took an Uber to the hospital and then a few days later back to the hotel. I spent a week alone in pain recovering in that cheap hotel room. The blue pill chump I used to be died in that room.

I lost over 100 pounds. I can work out again easily and without pain. Losing weight took care of all my health problems except my heart arrhythmia. I cardiac ablation procedure fixed the heart issue.

Once I lost weight dating became much easier. Unexpectedly my career also took off. If things like weight loss surgery are cheating then I'm all for cheating.

BasilevsNihili · 2021-06-30T21:28:07+00:00

"We take antibiotics and vaccines. We are cheating death"

"Women use make up, get fake tits, ... cheating natural physical appearance"

None of these things have counter-effects, assuming you don't chug a whole bottle of antibiotics like a retard, invalid comparison.

"We take antidepressants and antipsychotics" Now this sounds like a perfect comparison. You cope the effects without attacking the root of the problem, becoming dependent on a drug. Now I don't know much about steroids, but I know the results go as fast, or faster, as they come, risking various aspects for your health. Unless you're competing at a high level like strongmen you're risking your longevity for ego like a dumbass, and also wasting a bunch of money, that's my 2 cents.

kalisto3010 · 2021-06-30T22:40:33+00:00

I have to disagree. There's a dude I use to work with who was ugly as shit but he was a pretty good amateur MMA fighter - in decent shape, and smashed all of the 9's and 10's at the job and his fiance was hot as shit too. I can't explain it.

filli1aj · 2021-07-01T15:00:44+00:00

Heavy kettlebell swings will do wonders for the traps and forearms, two areas often neglected in weight training. Add kettlebell swings into your daily lifting routine, 100-200 reps at the end of each work out. Vary the weight, do a Turkish get up or two. The body is full of muscles that isolation exercise and sagittal exercise don't hit very well.

trv22 · 2021-06-30T22:36:43+00:00

I don’t agree with this. shouldn’t feel the need to enhance your facial/body features via steroids and surgery. It reeks of insecurity and women can smell it off you.

be comfortable in your own body, fuck that fake it till you make, just graft and you’ll see results.

--Kamikaze-- · 2021-07-01T02:00:21+00:00

This makes me want to justify hopping on 💉

MatingAdvice · 2021-07-01T12:00:32+00:00

Imagine undergoing surgery just to get women.

NahDukeFkThat · 2021-06-30T20:16:47+00:00

all enhancements should be subtle otherwise you admit to the world you thought something was so bad about yourself you paid serious money (even worse, got indebted) to improve it.

also, vaccines and medicines and all that other stuff are for the sick. if youre healthy you dont need any of that, ever. women enhancing their appearance doesnt matter, no matter what a hot girl does to cheat the hand she was dealt with, they will always frown upon a man who cheats on that same level, and will immediately start looking for a guy who doesnt have to.

in short, dont make shit obvious. even a few photoshop enhancements are okay, as long as it's subtle. there's nothing more insecure and vain then getting enhancements when youre not even making money from your physical appearance (meaning, if your looks determine your income, do it duh)

iPoopWithMyJordansOn · 2021-06-30T20:44:46+00:00

This post is bullshit and not real red pill, if you're doing any of those things, you should really find something you're passionate about instead of trying to fake something you're not. I'm bald and don't give a fuck, I run barefoot and body weight exercises all for free, I see a doctor and dentist regularly, don't do drugs other than occasional marijuana use of which I have a legal right to. If you're stressed out see a shrink or meditate, it helps. Cheating is for suckers. I tell my bitch all the time, stop trying to look like a Kardashian because the shits fake and you'll look like a fucking hobbit. I'm pretty sure Kanye said the same shit. Focus on you homie, not trying to fit in. You cannot be happy with anyone else unless you are first happy with yourself.

PimPedOutGeese · 2021-06-30T21:28:44+00:00

Sounds like blackpill cope to me.

The minute you start talking about surgery for your jawline you lose all credibility with me. If you have an issue that’s one thing. Doing it to “look better”

Cope

Hair loss solutions… you can just accept it and shave.

Cope

Heigh enhancing shoes!?!! LOL

MAJOR Cope

Like come on… how about you just be comfortable and confident in your own skin, take care of yourself the best you can, and take care of business….

This SCREAMS I want pussy and don’t have any.

TopRPd · 2021-07-01T20:03:00+00:00

You can’t “cheat” I guess this shit but you can’t cheat real game. OP sounds insecure.

sharedisaster · 2021-07-01T02:49:06+00:00

I"m a bit of an average AAS (steroids) enjoyer. I'll answer any questions you guys might have.

itsnevrogre · 2021-07-01T03:45:35+00:00

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Cebhugolik · 2021-07-01T04:49:37+00:00

I know that if you somehow feel "bloated" or your gut feels "big" sometimes can be solved by lowering bf% but there were a couple of times that I would wear super tight undergarments to keep my gut in and thus look better. It is cheating 100% (both on myself for accepting a bandaid solution and to other people)

Thelonelywindow · 2021-07-01T05:41:49+00:00

Anyone ever used “beta blockers”? Are those for real? Also what about nootropics for memory/concentration ?

VDKay · 2021-07-01T09:12:47+00:00

I can't really tell you for sure because all these changes were compound for me.

Looking back at pictures of me, probably the biggest change was the eye surgery and ditching my glasses which made me too nerdy and unable to wear proper sunglasses. Other than that, improving my style and going from plain/casual/comfy to more formal, well-fitting and even a bit beyond that to flashy or to what an artist would wear. Nowadays, if a piece of clothing costs me more than 30$, I'll take it to the tailor afterwards and for an extra 5-10$ will make it fit me way better!

Anyway, to tell you the truth however, I've noticed that all these were like "buffs" for me. The thing that put me way ahead was actually mental. The ability and motivation to actually talk and connect to people and start approaching new people/girls consistently. Because, before that, I was like talking to like 6 new girls a month, so, say 1 of them was positive, and after I improved my looks, say, maybe 2 of them were positive, but I'd call that statistical error and can't really account it to my looks. However, when I started being a bit more consistent with going out and more consistent with making and effort to talk to as many people as I could, I now had 60 new girls a month and like half of them enjoyed my company and, like, 10 of them were positive to exchange numbers, so, yeah, I can't really tell you how much looks improved my game, but talking to more people certainly did in absolute numbers

RinkyInky · 2021-07-01T09:38:56+00:00

Any advice on how to treat acne or ice pick scars?

p8orion · 2021-07-01T12:15:41+00:00

Having the knowledge, means and will to do this kind of thing is simply another part of any meaningful definition of "alpha".

Protocol_Apollo · 2021-07-01T16:32:11+00:00

Seeing alterations as cheating in the first place is a faulty premise.

maziethemazing · 2021-07-04T04:58:06+00:00

Brooo idk why there are so many stigmas around men getting plastic surgery.

I see all my friends getting boob jobs (which I have no problem with) and everyone is like YOU GOO GIRLLL GOOD JOB while my guy friends who are taking steroids get death glares

The double standards:////

maziethemazing · 2021-07-04T05:12:30+00:00

If using new tech to make your life easier and improve your happiness is cheating, then we have been "cheating" since the dawn of man

Irrigation? Cheating

Motorized units to replace cavalry? Cheating

anti-pests? cheating

Medication? cheating

If we truly do not want to "cheat", it's time to stop being on reddit and go back to a cave.

What I dislike is not the cheating, but lying about the cheating:

If you get a boob job? Kudos to you! But if you get a boob job and start going around telling people that these are natural, you are a hypocrite.

If you use steroids to get big gun-show muscles? Good job! But if you go around telling people that you got these naturally, you are a hypocrite.

I do not have clear skin naturally. I take acne meds.

I do not have frizz-free hair naturally. I do Keratin treatments.

I do not have dark, bushy lashes naturally. Its the mascara.

I do not even have two symmetrical eyes naturally. I have a man-made fake eye.

Do as many physical alterations as you desire. Just please do not lie about doing it.

Kodered1551 · 2021-07-04T18:10:33+00:00

Divorce led me to the pill! I was around 200lbs at 5'10 big Ole beer gut. I was doing no self care and drowning myself in alcohol. Wife was done long ago but I was blind.

Now, I run 6 to 12 miles a day, found a jiu jitsu place near me and started eating cleaning. I'm now down to around 155/160 and have abs. I FUCKING SMILE WEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE SHIT. Ihadnt had that feeling that i can remember... I years.

I still have more work to do and I'm trying to pack on muscle now. Keep grinding everyone!

BullSydney · 2021-07-06T08:40:16+00:00

Came on here for the first time in years.

What the fuck is going on.

DO NOT get jaw surgery unless you look like a thumb.

Lift fucking weights. Stop giving a fuck. Marry a 6. Done.

pappo4ever · 2021-07-06T12:09:41+00:00

Guys that have regrown their hair, how did it change your life?

I had 2 hair "reallocation" surgeries. My life improved a lot, but not in the way you think.

First of all, I feel much better with my image. I never liked going bald. This in turn improved everything in my life as I'm not as insecure in my relationships.

But!

I actually looked better bald. Many girls told me so. Mainly because I was in a much better shape back then, and jacked bald beats hair. Yes, I could shave now, but shaving your head has a lot of maintenance.

With hair I also look 10 or 15 years younger. But this also don't help with girls, in fact many girls prefer mature guys.

Height enhancing shoes

I don't know if height enhancing shoes or high heels help in the long term. They help a lot, more than the hair, but the girl will see you sooner or later without shoes (if you are lucky) and then she will go away the next day. It happened to me several times. But I did fuck her, so I guess it doesn't matter.

McLoving90 · 2021-07-06T15:02:53+00:00

Fix your teeth. Bad teeth are a complete turn off not just with women but can cost you a lot of missed opportunities, professional wise. I neglected my dental hygiene for almost 20+ years, ended up paying much more than I would if I just went to regular check ups and maintained a healthy oral hygiene.

Indexxak · 2021-07-12T11:04:38+00:00

If you have the chin tucked back like the guy in the 'hey, leave her alone' meme definitely consider getting a surgery. I don't have and I don't know much about it but I saw the difference it made in a woman who went from 5 to 9 just because of it. I also know couple people who have it and don't do anything about it and it really messes up their sex appeal.

_iisu · 2021-07-01T18:02:02+00:00

There are no cheats, because there is no win. If you're "improving yourself" for a win, you're missing the entire process of improving yourself. The "win", whether it's pussy, wealth, health, is a natural consequence of self-improvement, but putting it on the pedestal is what it means to be blue-pilled. You've heard the mantra: "don't put women on the pedestal" – well, it extends to everything in your life.

You can add another 10kg to your weights but you'll do less reps and fuck up your technique, or you can focus on your technique with every rep and find yourself still able to do it in 20 years, when others would have fucked up their joints or given up and quit.

You can fuck your body with steroids and mutilate it with surgeries, or you can learn to properly care for it and use its best attributes for your advantage. You can glue a carpet to your head or accept being bald and own your frame.

I believe many of us rule these things out because its "beta" and we perceive it as "cheating."

I rule these things out because they're superficial and don't fix the underlying issue, which is the inability to accept your situation, and which often hinders the actual solution. You can't have a "cheat" without negative long-term effects, because they're not cheats, they're loans. With a killing interest rate.

We take antibiotics and vaccines. We are cheating death

Those have a very specific use case and by abusing them we lower their efficiency. A healthy body rarely needs them (and only to help it deal with the diseases that originally came from animals that have stronger immunity system than us).

We take antidepressants and antipsychotics. We are cheating mental health

Again, these have specific use cases and for the few people who need them they're the solution. If you're not one of these people and you want to cheat mental health, go outside. Spend time in nature. Meditate.

BigBoiBahmani · 2021-07-04T12:52:25+00:00

Lost 65lbs since I got in this space. I still have 20lbs more to go.

Nevertheless, got two plates. Made my instagram public after losing weight, my ex contacted me back after about a year.

Soupblime · 2021-07-04T22:01:36+00:00

Im on my first cycle and I went from being skinny to everyone I know commenting how good I look/ how big my arms are. A lot of my friends or people I talk to will mention working out or how they want to start , probably from being motivated by my physique

Title	Physical Appearance Alterations: Cheating to win - Lets discuss
Author	sabanMiles11
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Date	June 30, 2021 8:05 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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