Women pledging commitment to you is like getting paid in monopoly money. It doesn't really count.

pavista · 2015-09-08T12:02:58+00:00

Spot on. I've had women say this only for our relationship to be on the rocks weeks later. Take statements like that as basically meaning that she's into you in this particular moment and that's it.

theultmatecad · 2015-09-08T17:02:02+00:00

Great post. One could also say women write checks (tell truth) with disappearing ink

A few months ago I was enthusiastically fucking a woman who told me she wanted my baby and to wake up next to me every day for the rest of her life.

A week later she told me she couldn't see me anymore. Too risky since she is married she said.

She definitely meant what she said at the time she said it. She just doesnt feel that way anymore. This feelings based "truth" is not understood outside our community. Its the basis of woman hating as "women lie"

They dont really lie. They just say what they feel AT THAT MOMENT

M1s4n7hr0p3 · 2015-09-08T17:57:40+00:00

First off: great post. Women run on emotion. This precludes them from being reliable or honorable because both of those things require denial of self to uphold principle. A promise from a woman, especially regarding fidelity, is worthless. The hedonistic urge is too great for them. They can't make the rational choice. They go where the tingles take them.

A buddy of mine saw a girl he knows I'm fucking out with another guy he knows. He tells me about it and I told him good looking out but I don't care what she does with her own time. This is a girl who constantly bitches about me being "emotionally available." Not a half hour later I get the text to come over and fuck her.

A few weeks later I ask her whatever happened to Mike (dude's name) and she goes pale. I clarify I'm talking about the dude she went out with, not angry, just curious. She says she was pissed at me (must have been Tuesday) and she met him and "he was so nice to me. Like, the total opposite end of the emotional spectrum from you. It was nice to be complimented for a change."

So I ask why she ended up fucking me that night. "I mean...he was nice. But that was it. I wasn't attracted to any other aspect of his personality and at the end of the night all I wanted was to see you. And I hate myself for that because it makes no sense." No tingles, no pussy.

So, she got her emotional fill from Mr. Nice Guy and got her physical fill from Captain Asshole. Dude is left holding the bar tab in one hand and his dick in the other while I'm choking the shit out of her and slapping her clit with my balls. If I made myself "emotionally available" (gave validation for statements like "I want to spend the rest of my life with you") I would share the privilege with Mikey over there of supporting her feelings while she satisfies her dick craving elsewhere.

OP's complete lack of emotional response is why she feels the urge to stay with him. The alpha is unconcerned with her emotional babbling. She's there for him, not the other way around. The moment he stoops to her shallow emotional level she will find someone who is a more stoic, masculine specimen and fuck them instead. AF/BB.

Secondly: Are there seriously self-congratulatory comments about googling for fucking cat videos? The rest of Reddit must be leaking. If that shit continues unabated the integrity of this sub will be compromised and the quality of this sub will turn to shit.

abdada · 2015-09-08T14:47:32+00:00

When a woman is gooey retarded for you, you've got her pretty well "committed". All my LTRs must be in this mental state for me to give them displays of affection and commitment.

But I've watched LTRs be gooey retarded for 3 years and then off like a light switch. I don't even bother with full on dread at that point, I just tell them the feeling is lost and it's best we just be friends.

Sometimes it was my fault, sometimes it was her life goal timing, sometimes it was the weather. That gooey retarded mental state tells me that not only am I doing right, but she's eating up everything I'm doing.

If it becomes her rational mind speaking, the relationship is toast -- or needs too much work to try to fix.

MattyAnon · 2015-09-08T16:11:06+00:00

A woman will pledge complete commitment one second, and the very next second state her inalienable right to change her mind.

bl33dingr3d · 2015-09-08T17:55:23+00:00

Integrity, fidelity, and honor...these are all fleeting, ephemeral concepts for women. It's just their nature, they aren't evil because of this fact.

Cyralea · 2015-09-08T14:37:08+00:00

Getting a woman to adhere to her words is like herding cats. She never feels a commitment to stay true to something she said in the past the way a lot of men do, intrinsic difference between men and women. If it's convenient for her to deny she said something, she will.

A pledge of fidelity from a woman only really means "I'm committed to you at this precise moment in time". Take it for what it is.

kitedancing · 2015-09-08T18:17:50+00:00

"The nature of promises, Linda, is that they remain immune to changing circumstances." -Frank Underwood, House of Cards

That quote just takes on a whole new meaning when seen through RP lenses.

Wrong_Opinion · 2015-09-08T17:37:45+00:00

I learned this one the hard way when the LTR I had just before I swallowed the red pill (thanks for that by the way exgf!) wanted to talk about moving-in together and maybe getting married.

We agreed in autumn to move-in the next summer when our leases would be up, and to get married if it worked out for 2 years or so.

3 months later, the week before my 23rd birthday, she abruptly ended the relationship via a phone call on my way home from being terminated by my employer for turning in my 2 weeks notice. (Yeah, you guessed it, I switched jobs to be closer to where we would end up moving.)

Not a month later did she change her profile picture from a bright smiled selfie to her standing next to a taller, richer, older guy she met sometime during our relationship with her arms in a deathgrip around his hips.

That was the gut punch that rocketed the blue pill out of my stomach and made room for the red one.

AaronKClark · 2015-09-08T16:10:59+00:00

Women don't give commitment, they seek commitment -Women's want of commitment is like your want of sex -Commitment is yours to give, not to chase

So profound. I am going to get this quote framed.

WardlyHasted · 2015-09-08T20:10:07+00:00

A lot of things make sense when you simplify them.

Men want sex. Women want commitment. Men and women will usually behave in ways that help them obtain their respective wants.

Like you said, when a woman says, "I want to be with you forever", that's what she's feeling at that exact moment. But if you start acting like a beta bitch then she'll branch swing.

When a man says, "Damn, I want to bang that chick", this is also what he's feeling at that moment. Hence why we get beer goggles and bang women below our standards. It's all about the physical, which is why if a woman gains 20 lbs or cuts off her hair or loses a limb we would change our mind about wanting to bang her.

nemaxofredpill · 2015-09-08T19:13:22+00:00

Excellent post. Was hit by a shit test the other day after fucking my main plate:

"What are your feelings on spending the rest of your life with 1 person?"

My answer: Haven't really given it any thought.

And this came from a main plate that I have had for over 5 years.

Her face was one of shock, anger, and helplessness.

But this is the chick that I found pictures of her bent over with her almost exposed ass rubbing against a guy's crotch at the club that looked like a Lil Wayne wanna-be when she went to Atlanta last summer to visit her dying grandmother that she was so broken and sad about. And the same chick that has gotten off work to go hang out with a guy "friend" from high school that was having a birthday party at 2am after she got off work one night. And the same chick that I have seen comments on her Facebook asking this same personal trainer with a magnificent beard guy "friend" if she could come over and "use his dryer" because her's is broken.

Yeah....I think I actually have given it some thought. And the judges are in about me riding your young pussy for another couple years until you turn 30. Then, I'm gonna trade you in for a newer model.

shurk127 · 2015-09-08T17:59:45+00:00

My ex of five years once told me when I went to visit family for Thanksgiving that she "couldn't possibly bear to be apart from me for a single night."

Two weeks later I got a text that she was moving out "to focus on herself and try to go back to school."

It's that immediate, gentlemen.

BTW she was pregnant 2 months later. No school in her future. AWALT

Snivellious · 2015-09-08T16:22:38+00:00

This is a specific, important case of a larger idea. Promises and commitments are reflections of the speaker's current mindset. They're only as good as the speaker's chance of not changing their mind, or choosing to honor an agreement they no longer like.

For a relationship, staying in an unhappy arrangement based on past promises isn't a good outcome, so it's even worse. All you can do is say "so she likes me now, how's that going to change?"

And yes, getting commitment from her as a payment for your actions is like having someone pay you with cash they stole from your wallet.

DarkSayed · 2015-09-08T18:42:31+00:00

Similarly, a woman's declaration of love should not be taken seriously.

You know how sometimes a woman will say something to the effect of "please don't break up with me, I would just die" LOL two months later she'll forget you existed.

flyers156 · 2015-09-08T14:57:12+00:00

It's always just a lease. Only your turn.

netarangi · 2015-09-08T22:10:36+00:00

This is so depressing. The realities of TRP are truly so sad. I've read and learnt that a women can never love a man the same that a man will love a women. Does this bother anyone else the same it does me? You could truly be prepared to stay with a girl for life/fully commit but she'll never truly feel the same.

SkorchZang · 2015-09-08T14:16:42+00:00

Clear, concise and spot fucking on. My enthusiastic nomination for red pill theory post of the month.

el_chief · 2015-09-08T18:09:01+00:00

More like "I want to spend the rest of my life with you...re income"

mrmeyhemn · 2015-09-08T21:41:40+00:00

women are only committed to their own hypergamous nature. they are incapable of what men know as commitment/loyalty, their only loyalty is to their feeeeelingz

abetterarsonist · 2015-09-08T21:44:32+00:00

Let's see...there was my high school girlfriend (who ended up being a dyke), my marine corps fiancee (who ended up being a cheating whore), and the girl that wanted to marry me after I got out of prison (that got knocked up and married the father who is deaf, short and overweight [wtf?])...all of them pledged their lifelong love to me. Shit, one of them told me I owned her for life. And I still hadn't learned my lesson. This was years before I discovered RP, obviously.

squidracer · 2015-09-08T12:01:58+00:00

I was watching some show the other day with the gf,I think she turned it on.. Wags I think. Wives and gfs of sports stars.. It was pretty interesting watching these women grill, and I mean GRILL these athletes about when they were going to marry them..

I actually have my own plan for getting commitment from a woman. Instead of getting married, I'll just tell her I'll put her in my will and she can have everything after I die..

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-09-08T16:51:04+00:00

.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/841143

Bachelor in Paradise:

Kirk tells Carly he's not feeling the same feelings she is.

.

When a woman feels a commitment to a man it translates into a lot of effort through hamstering that things are perfect. Carly was deeply committed and invested into a future with Kirk.

Kirk had been feeding her responses the week before that he knew she wanted to hear.

So women actually do invest effort into men, but it's in terms of their own internal restructuring. There is never any objective investment. (notice how quickly she turned on him once she realized he was hesitating)

Just remember women can only be subjective. When they say anything you must translate it out of any objective world and into their subjective world.

Beta males do the same thing. (changing themselves to satisfy women... essentially behaving as women)

The rule is:

"Whoever changes themselves the most for the other hurts the most when the relationship breaks apart."

So men that hold frame as who they are become less negatively effected by a breakup.

.

Keninishna · 2015-09-08T21:14:31+00:00

Ah the joys of learning the nature of women. One of my player friends would do some thing like push the girl away in that moment or belittle them. Granted he made a lot of women cry but those girls had some sort of commited love for him because he was honest to them that he would never commit to them and if they pressured him he would lie to get them to shut up, then when he went on sleeping with other women they would get hurt and upset but they would give him anything he wanted. money? a car to drive? a place to stay? sex? laundry? women are a lot like children lol.

Toklif · 2015-09-08T22:12:26+00:00

I take everything I hear and add "right now" to it. It helps me keep frame.

"I feel we're great together"...right now

"I love you"...right now

ramot1 · 2015-09-08T22:26:27+00:00

You are right of course. If she's with you, it means it's your turn. There is not promise of how long your turn will last, and nothing requires her to tell you that it's somebody elses' turn.

EvolvedA · 2015-09-08T14:05:16+00:00

It might just have been a shit test too, she tried to get a "Oh honey I want to spend the rest of my life with you as well" response from you which you passed with style. No shit.

drallcom3 · 2015-09-08T14:19:56+00:00

Now she feels like she wants to be with you forever. Tomorrow it could already be different. So enjoy it today and then forget about it.

thefisherman1961 · 2015-09-08T16:09:50+00:00

When she says "I want to spend the rest of my life with you" what she really means is "for the time being, you make me feel like I want to spend the rest of my life with you."

bonerpotpie · 2015-09-08T16:34:31+00:00

Spot on. When my wife told me she didn't want to be with me after a staggering 8 months of marriage, all I could think was why,why,why. This is the why I've figured out, though the OP has written it in an easy to ingest form.

epicureanmanslut · 2015-09-08T21:31:42+00:00

I have seen guys do this and I have done this myself. Everyone wants to be wanted and obviously it is not just for sex. People inherently want companionship.

Im_Hitler · 2015-09-08T22:16:13+00:00

Im curious to know what your response in a situation like this would be?

true_detective_sf · 2015-09-08T23:35:13+00:00

I had a girl text me that she loved me and wanted to get married to me and have my kids, while she was supposedly on the way to a concert with her girlfriends. Something felt off about the timing of the text (I love my sketchy behavior radar), and sure enough, it turns out that she was going to a concert with her ex-boyfriend.

RedPharaohRising · 2015-09-10T14:03:55+00:00

That's surprisingly insightful. When you see a hot girl and gape for a few seconds, your reptile brain takes over and whispers seductively about her touch, taste and moans in bed.
Then she leaves your line of sight, the haze lifts and you no longer feel the need to approach and you now see her without your own fantasies on top.
Would you STILL fuck her? This is how women see you.

House-of-Crows · 2015-09-08T15:18:26+00:00

Learned that the hard way. Forever grateful for TRP.

leodoestheopposite · 2015-09-08T15:53:57+00:00

Yes. We have all read the pillar of TRP Women are the gatekeepers to sex, Men are the gatekeepers to relationships and yet it takes a while to really truly fully understand it, and it's a combination of reflexion on past experiences, present experiences, and reading stories from other people in this sub.

Then, little by little, we "get" it.

And it's fun to watch. My personal favorite is when a plate wants to talk about Being exclusive, and my questions to her are always the same:

Why now?
Why me?

Because obviously we were not exclusive before.

Stythe · 2015-09-08T15:19:17+00:00

I like the sex comparison you made, that was apt.

Yea, in the moment I need to shoot a load or else my world is going to collapse in front of me. Then afterwords, the rest of it comes into perspective. If the emotional bond for women is like sex for men, it's a good way to look at the overall picture and not just that moment when she says "forever."

Darkuso · 2015-09-08T19:49:24+00:00

That is why I love being men, we can understand shit like this, women can't. The truth is that she wasn't lying at all, she was only expressing what she feelzzz in the moment and for they that is the absolute truth. But they don't understand how volatile female feels are, they can tell you that the sky is blue now and an hour later they can truly believe that is green.

I've heard of things like this countless times, "I want to be always with you" or "you are the best men That i have meet" and even "I do not want to be fucked by anyone else in my life," just to see them flip their thoughts like a light switch.

OilyB · 2015-09-08T20:01:23+00:00

"When those feelings are gone, the promise no longer makes sense."

I know. This happened to me quite a number of times.

"I want to be with you forever" - "I couldn't live without you" - "I want to grow old with you" - "I don't ever want to lose you". All expressions of one intense MOMENT.

Just one. It subsides or completely dissipates one day. And then those words. "I... I changed my mind." Or "you're responsible for making me break my promise."

reigorius · 2015-09-08T20:50:57+00:00

"in this moment I really feel like...yaddiyaddiya"

Buchloe · 2015-09-08T21:22:20+00:00

Don't let someone pay you with your coin. Perfectly said.

2015-09-09T00:43:37+00:00

I felt..... nothing and then surprise at my apathy

I'd probably laugh out loud in your situation.

PachinkoSAN · 2015-09-09T00:52:41+00:00

this is like a punch to the gut and a slap to the face to wake me up. my current "girlfriend" says i love you often now. and i say it often now too. Need to understand that she only loves me right now in this current moment.

Luckyluke23 · 2015-09-09T02:11:05+00:00

Your commitment is what she is chasing, not what she's selling. Within the confines of a ltr,

This is amazing. I havent had many ltra in my life but ill be sure to look out for thisnin the next one im in

BlackHeart89 · 2015-09-09T02:38:28+00:00

Short and simple. Thats a nice post.

I agree. A woman saying she loves you doesn't really mean shit. They may break up with you the very next week.

I now few monogamist relationships as a temporary thing until someone fucks up. Maybe lasting a few months before it should inevitably end.

iliketurtlesdurr · 2015-09-09T03:03:09+00:00

Short and sweet and to the point. Mark of a genius

Agu001 · 2015-09-09T09:14:30+00:00

"A woman's words are written on ice" ------ Italian Proverb

cesarfd · 2015-09-09T14:16:12+00:00

This is not to say that everything a woman says is a lie.

A woman could not care less if what she says is true or not, they say what serves them best. They tell you what they need you to hear.

prodigyx · 2015-09-08T19:00:33+00:00

nothing and then surprise at my apathy

This is a level up. At first you are surprised that these things that would seemingly make or break you in the past are meaningless now.

Then you realize the amount of freedom that comes with this attitude.

CrustsRemoved · 2015-09-08T21:59:49+00:00

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drummmmergeorge · 2015-09-08T13:53:12+00:00

Ever since I furthered my knowledge in Psychology I stopped reading and like an adult sees a conflict with a child, he waits it at and watches the child without intervening, hopeful they can figure it out on their own. I encourage you to read into female psychology, and you will stop thinking this way.

Title	Women pledging commitment to you is like getting paid in monopoly money. It doesn't really count.
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