What's your unpopular seduction opinion? Something you really believe, but would get down voted on this sub? [recovered]

recyclablebanthas · 2022-03-25T02:35:34+00:00

PSA: Please check out the pinned post about the updated rules.

There's a basic bar that any post needs to meet to be posted here. And that is, "Does this post help someone get laid or land a relationship or whatever they're looking for in dating?"

A shitpost where everyone's swapping what they think are unpopular opinions, while interesting, does not meet this basic requirement.

CompetitionFair7686 · 2022-03-24T21:34:59+00:00

That people sometimes think they have game when they don’t and then blame it on their looks when the girl rejects them, when the reality is that their game sucked and they were boring, generic, try hards and predictable as fuck.

LandscapeClear1630 · 2022-03-24T21:43:13+00:00

Women are generally hypocrites when it comes to dating.

Silver-Variation8903 · 2022-03-24T20:42:36+00:00

Manipulation is effective.

great_account · 2022-03-24T22:19:49+00:00

Women have no idea what they want and 99% of what they say with regards to attraction are irrelevant. Body language is everything. The only word that matters from a woman is "no". Even the "yes" is tenuous at best.

eszibit · 2022-03-24T20:52:42+00:00

Both men and women need to grow the fuck up, accept responsibility that the environment is against them and make themselves much better than they are right now. So many girls that would be cute/wife material if they would drop some weight, so many guys that would be better if they would hit the gym and get some therapy. Actually therapy goes for the women too, we lost our values, women are going to OF and guys are simping, wtf is this life.

Daunt02 · 2022-03-24T20:33:09+00:00

I agree with both of these.

Mine is that you have to be some sort of Alpha or dominant all the time to get with women.

My mannerisms and the way I express myself is very androgynous. I dress like a dude but who I am is very fluid in my expression. I'm not an alpha bro. My dating and sex life has been just fine for a while.

It may not excite certain type of women but a lot of women that I'm attracted to, both feminine and masculine women, respond well to the way I express myself. There's also been many times where I've blown out the Alpha tall Chad guy in group interactions because of who I am and the charisma to which I express myself.

Dudes faking Alpha hurts their game way more than helps if they are not like this naturally. Congruence and knowing yourself is the key.

Extra-Boysenberry · 2022-03-24T22:31:16+00:00

She actually might be genuinely busy and honestly doesn’t have time for a date or other get togethers. Everyone jumps to conclusions that she’s not into you when she’s not willing to make plans because she’s’ “busy.”

I’ve slept with a handful of girls who acted super flakey and not interested in me because they were genuinely busy and didn’t have much free time due to school and work. I had to wait a little, but it was worth it.

putcoolusernamehere · 2022-03-24T23:43:04+00:00

Cold approach works best for the men who wouldn’t seek it out (ie: confident, fit, & successful men). The majority of people who come through this sub (myself included rn tbh)would be better served putting any effort they’d spend into learning daygame into first bettering their fitness, career, and social skills generally until they reach a certain baseline level (set tangible goals for them as to not be perpetually not there yet). I’ve just wasted so much time trying to grind daygame approaches to find the needle in a haystack girl who are attracted to an obese dude making $18 / hour with a very small and mercurial friend group, that if I had put that much effort into fitness and career growth, I’d be at a point where my dating life would greatly improve if I started implementing cold approach. Cold approach tricks us into thinking we can pull models through sheer volume, which while it may be true on the surface with a .001% success rate, if all you’re doing is approaching, odds are you won’t be able to keep that girl around or more likely not even be able to keep her interest for a single date.

Hit the lab before you hit the streets. Unless you are a guy with exceptional ability to be emotionally unaffected by rejection, don’t even sarge cold approach until you hit your baseline level goals. If you want to talk to girls you see as you go about your life then fine, but don’t put any emphasis or time in the schedule for approach.

Euphoric-Can-3223 · 2022-03-24T23:17:24+00:00

It’s mostly women that hate this opinion, but DO NOT take a women on a full date the first time you go out. Get to know each other on a lite coffee or evening drinks date, and no more time than an hour. Neither person should invest a lot of money or time until things click.

anoyingprophet · 2022-03-24T21:24:22+00:00

Game doesn’t actually exist. There’s no amount of finesse, tricks or tactics that can somehow make a girl want you. The reality is that if she’s physically attracted to you enough, all the shit you’re telling her seems more interesting. For example, you could have the exact same conversation with two different girls. The one who thinks your ugly, will think your jokes are obnoxious while the girl who is attracted to you thinks your jokes are charming. Another example, the difference between cute and corny is dependant on how much she’s attracted to you. Same thing with creepy and romantic. Once you understand this, you will stop caring as much and have more confidence. Which goes to my next point. Any guy can actually get a girl. This sub is obsessed with the idea of learning how to “get” a girl. The reality is that this is super easy. It literally just takes courage. Believe it or not but there are girls out there that think you’re attractive and all those weird qualities about your personality that you think are a turn-off are actually not a problem for many girls. You just need to take shots which I know most y’all do not do. Now what’s truly difficult is KEEPING a girl. Women are extremely fickle. They hate routine and get bored so easily. You might be with an amazing girl right now and you think the relationship is great. She might leave you one day and you’re going to be tossing and turning all night thinking about what you did or didn’t do that made her leave, when she most likely just got bored of the relationship. I personally believe that most women are unattracted to guys that prioritize them. They don’t like feeling that a guy puts her number one over everything. They like the idea that a guy has so much going on in his life and he’s doing so much amazing things, but he still wants her around sometimes. It’s all about that reassurance and validation for her. A dude working at the dollar store, who has no friends, doe nothing exciting who bends over backwards to make her happy turns her off so much. It might be cool to her at the start of the relationship, but that’s only because it contrasts her toxic ex that was the opposite. What she wants is that guy who’s doing shit with his life. Has a busy schedule, is always going places, who’s important, etc. And the fact that he might squeeze her into his life for a couple hours a day a day, makes her feel like she’s special. I believe the reason relationships are so hard to maintain these days and why girls live by the mantra “men ain’t shit” is because the men of our generation have been conditioned to prioritize women over purpose and have become obsessed with instagram, TikTok, porn, and over exposed to lust. These guys that dm them are so sleezy it’s not even funny. Women don’t even respect us anymore to be honest. I know my father and mothers relationship is still amazing because tbh, my dad is just so fricken masculine in every way. He lives life on his own terms and that’s why my mom still appreciates him after all these years. My parent met in their 20s and I know if my dad resembled how 20 yr olds guys are today back then, no way he woulda got my mom. I also know that a lot of guys when they’re single embody this type of masculinity, but lose their edge when they finally get the girl, which leads her to losing interest and leads her to leaving. So what i want y’all to all do is to stop over validating her, put your grind before everything, and I garuntee you she’s not leaving

Snakehead004 · 2022-03-24T20:50:09+00:00

Agree with your two.

Being genuine and looking for real connection in every facet of life will yield better results than any of the "seduction experts" advice.

ResponsibilityKey427 · 2022-03-24T20:37:20+00:00

Agree with both.

The physical attraction thing is despised in this sub which is rly delusional.

If she isn’t attracted no matter what you do will change that.

If she attracted you don’t even need to “game” her. You can just talk to her normally.

If she isn’t attracted from the jump, you are rejected before you open your mouth.

Not saying you can’t be friends with her, but since there is no attraction there is no chance of sexual tension.

NostalgiaUltr · 2022-03-24T22:08:55+00:00

I agree with both points but the first one hits the nail on the head. Sometimes even with everything going right for you,physically and game wise, some women just don’t want you and that’s okay.

mrFivedollarbill · 2022-03-25T00:04:48+00:00

Men and Women cannot be friends, no exceptions

ThatGuy_Nick9 · 2022-03-24T21:14:05+00:00

Men really need to get better at taking no for an answer.

Men are very toxic with how much sex they expect from people they’ve never met before.

Women are a fantastic resource to learn seduction from, you just have to listen a bit.

You’re not getting rejected because your “ugly and women are all shallow” you’re just a cry baby who blames their problems on other people. Ugly fuckers get married to models every day. Stop making lame excuses

Going to the gym and buying new clothes isn’t going to turn your life around. Self care is good but, again, women would rather date a guy who is a MAN than a loser with a rolex, a $500 shirt from Men’s Warehouse, and a giant torso with tiny little legs.

If you’re spending more time reading books than you are socializing and practicing, you’re wasting your time. Really if you’re reading book about how to talk to girls you’re wasting your time. You’re a sap, a chump, bamboozled, wasting your time.

Most-Order-9464 · 2022-03-24T23:42:36+00:00

Woman don’t really know what they want. They say one thing and do the COMPLETE opposite

sijil_the_cat · 2022-03-25T00:30:10+00:00

most people wanting to learn game would solve more of their perceived problems with going to therapy

farang · 2022-03-25T00:59:59+00:00

Treating women with respect might actually get you somewhere. No, that doesn't mean being a wimp.

No-Department6252 · 2022-03-24T20:27:15+00:00

both opinions I agree with. I express these a lot but they are always shot down on this sub

humbledrumble · 2022-03-24T21:35:34+00:00

Many guys would be better off spending time in the gym, instead of spending time approaching women.

MrDownhillRacer · 2022-03-24T22:14:53+00:00

That it's really possible to be totally "outcome independent" and improve at the same time, because learning or improving at anything requires you to look at your mistakes and try to correct them. You can't adjust and try to improve your outcomes if you literally don't care about outcomes.

It makes sense to get people to not feel like their whole self-worth depends on if they get rejected or not, and to get people to understand that looking like you don't care what others think makes you more successful than when others can tell you're seeking their approval.

But that's different from literally being "outcome independent."

bigfriendlygiant98 · 2022-03-25T01:08:50+00:00

1st: yes and no. a lot of game is about body language and how you carry/present yourself. this has a huge say in physical attraction. its the same for guys. girls who are more confident and have a stronger presence tend to usually catch our eye more than the girl with a pretty face and nice body who doesn't feel confident and tries not to stand out. but bring physically attractive doesn't guarantee a thing, so you still need game to get results

2: agreed

Crisia_1234 · 2022-03-24T23:43:52+00:00

I actually belive that introverts are better at game/seduction but because they are introvertet, chances that they get to that point are way worse compared to an extrovert. Therefore extroverts are more sucessful with women.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-03-24T20:34:22+00:00

"Game" is useless. If you need game, you are a loser or deficient in some way. Normal guys who get laid don't need game, they just need to show up.

UrFavPlayerIsBack · 2022-03-24T20:36:21+00:00

Aaaiiight lets hit the reality and count how many dummies we got here

Everything thats harsh truth, logical, real & not relevant to hollywood movies will be downvoted by TikTok weak gen and modern society/feminism victims..

Example: be masculine and dont tolerate her bs. Earn her respect and you’ll earn her. She’s useless to you unless she’s giving u what u want.

Ps: about ur points. #1 nah, many times women brought up my body shape (underweight af) be4 moaning in the bed. #2 kiss is nothing at all. Go for sex, escalade things forward smoothly. If u didnt even get kiss in 30min of meeting her, be ready to move on. And if no sex on 2nd date, delete her digits and text another one

Mau_Fernandez · 2022-03-25T01:48:25+00:00

As a introverted guy i think women should take the first step if they feel attraction.

tomatosauce23 · 2022-03-24T23:18:30+00:00

Back hand compliments work better than just compliments!

blessedwiththecurse · 2022-03-24T23:58:53+00:00

Getting better at game is an essential part of a mans development in discovering who they are. If you don’t get rejected a shit ton of times then when a simple rejection in the future (maybe at work or in some other field unrelated to seduction) you will feel distraught

HallandOates2 · 2022-03-25T00:48:59+00:00

You just suck under pressure

UnwrittenUnification · 2022-03-25T01:02:28+00:00

So this is definitely going to be downvoted a lot:

You can go to the gym so much and make your body bigger but it helps if you have somewhat of a good genetic makeup in the first place. If you are really don't have much going for you, you really won't get success with high quality women. If your face is around 4 or 5 out of 10, you won't get anywhere in dating successfully even if you go to the gym and work harder for your body. Even if you have a successful job somewhere and make money, if your genetics and looks start to fail as you get older, it's going to be a more worse relationship. Your woman will not really like you much. She won't like you much. Status doesn't help much if you are ugly. Your woman will probably just want to take your money and is probably a gold digger. You can be a doctor making millions but it doesn't mean she loves you. She wants your cash. Also, not everyone can really be successful in dating obviously.

RastaPilot737 · 2022-03-25T01:14:30+00:00

Women love sex and we must pursue a sexual relationship on the get go, if you already went platonic then forget her, doesn't matter how special she is just move on!

DeJuanBallard · 2022-03-25T01:34:56+00:00

Pretend to be in a committed relationship, girls love feeling like their doing something taboo, and that you want her so much you will risk your whole relationship over her.

Livinlikelary11 · 2022-03-25T01:35:08+00:00

The "ick" is basically post nut clarity for women, but without the nut. It's a bit of a far fetched theory of mine, I'll admit.

I'm a woman, but listening to Rogan and Andrew Schulz talk about post nut clarity put things in a perspective I hadn't really considered before.

I'm interested in a guy, start talking, go on a date, etc. Then there's something that triggers an instinct that completely flips me 180°.

It could be the way they smell, and not BO, their smell, or the way they said something, not something horrific or a "red flag", but it's in their tone or phrasing that puts me off. I went bowling with a guy, and the way he bowled melted away all the attraction that I had for him. It's something that's intangible, a gut instinct that just makes my subconscious and body say nope, not this guy. It's not as if it was obvious that we wouldn't have hit it off.

This doesn't happen often mind you, but it's an odd occurrence. And now that I've rambled enough, there might not be any correlation to post nut clarity. Idk guys, what do you think?

NuclearThane · 2022-03-25T01:38:04+00:00

Both men and women in the modern dating landscape need to be better at compartmentalizing sex and emotion.

It's something women are generally accused of for being "more emotional" in general, but most of my male friends are terrible at this too.

They all talk about wanting a FWB, and once they've had one they fuck two or three times, they catch feelings and have an SO instead.

And it's bullshit when people say this is just their natural inclination -- "that's just me, I can't enjoy sex without the emotional side". You're not special, and that's not true.

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