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Alarming-Unit-7214 · 2022-01-29T05:44:38+00:00

yupp 100%. you'd have to be willfully ignorant or downright dumb to think a jacked 6ft guy's experience is gonna be the same as a skinny 5'4 guy's

Ok_Software7332 · 2022-01-29T05:17:31+00:00

I’d kinda agree with this. It’s hard for me to take people’s advice super seriously from people who look nothing like me. Where are the shorter brown dudes with average faces that pull?

NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr · 2022-01-29T12:53:35+00:00

Pickup game is kind of a paradox. It isn't a team sport. It's just dudes telling other dudes what strategies helped them carry on their genetic material. At the core of pickup is simply overcoming perceived inadequacies and keeping dudes from stepping on their own toes.

BrummieAMN19 · 2022-01-29T06:38:57+00:00

Kind of agree, the fundamentals of game remain the same but the guys gotta be aware of different cultural nuances. I’m black but it was white PUAs who helped me the most (and the most legit) and acknowledged all perceived advantages and disadvantages and they have clients of all races getting decent to exceptional results. As long there’s self awareness it’s fine. Irregardless of the guy no man should be taking advice from a white guy that lives in Thailand lol huge red flag

rodicus · 2022-01-29T06:46:19+00:00

Yeah, for the most part people date with their own groups. Naturally limiting for minorities. I get what you are saying though. I’m a tall burly bearded white guy, and attract women who are into that. Hockey fans love me lol

skatinislife446 · 2022-01-29T14:33:20+00:00

Black dudes are always pulling where I’m from. Most of them are hyper-masculine, have bravado and confidence, and are athletically built. All the same things women prefer in short-term, ONS partners of any race.

akihonj · 2022-01-29T18:01:16+00:00

Only real advice I can give you here

Don't ask fishermen how to catch fish, they are also trying to catch the same fish.

Don't ask fish how to catch fish they are trying to not be caught.

Listen to the tips here

General rules of thumb

Work out and eat right

Sleep

Work well at your job and build stability

Wash and shower daily

Wear good well fitting clothes

Learn to talk to women

It's a numbers game.

hakeem15 · 2022-01-30T02:29:01+00:00

Yes and no, there's a lot you can learn from people of any gender, race, religion, nationality, etc.

I'm a black man and I learned a lot from observing and listening to my white lady friends. It's obvious but from them I learned looks do matter a lot; they may say otherwise but their actions shows they're no different than me thirsting after a girl with an amazing ass/boobs/face. But you still have to have a normal personality, otherwise they lose interest quick.

From my white male friends I learned that just being your cool normal self is important (best version of yourself, not the version of you that licks the last bit of sauce off your dinner plate when the food is bomb lol). If you're at a party trying to practice shit you learned in a book, it doesn't always workout. Don't get me wrong, those books have a lot of great info and but you don't want that info rattling around in your head mid conversation... that's a lot of overthinking. They're always in their element because ever where we go they're surrounded by white women from a similar upbringing. And they just act normal and the girls grew up around dudes like them so they're attracted to them easily

My black lady friends showed me that money and how you dress plays a huge role. Ultimately if I dress decent based on what's acceptable in our culture, then I'm going to do well with them. This also made me realize that the dynamic my white guy friends have with white women, exists between me and black women. Which makes me wonder if I should move to a predominantly black area. If i go to a most black event area, I'm reminded quickly that women find me attractive and that dating/fucking isn't that complicated.

And my black male friends taught me confidence is everything through their actions because they all swear they're pootie tang or Drizzy in real life lol. And i learned not to compare since many of them do things that I don't want just to get laid/say they got cheeks.

I could go on but you get the point

reasonabledebate20 · 2022-01-29T07:57:51+00:00

As a 6’0 white guy reading stuff like this is honestly depressing. Like apparently i have built in advantages for online dating yet still get almost no matches

yoitsappy · 2022-01-29T17:30:12+00:00

More woman are into black guys nowadays

warrior75070 · 2022-01-30T14:54:19+00:00

100% agree. People's initial reaction to you is based on your appearance. You can smile, dress well, and have good grooming. But you can't change your height or skin color.

That DOES NOT mean that a black or brown guy can't do as well with the ladies as the white guys. I do better than many of my white friends. (I'm Indian).

However, the issue is getting from point A (not good socially) to point B (successful socially). It is easier to get from point A to point B by taking advice from someone who has traveled the same journey as you. My journey was not the same as the journey of a white guy. No better nor worse. Just different.

So it is best to take advice from someone who looks close to you and is more successful. That person will have been through the same journey as you. Their perspective will be the most useful to you.

bcool_returns · 2022-01-29T18:23:10+00:00

Definitely racial nuances, but I don't think you can just apply a blanket statement here. Most of the people I learned from in the "community" were definitely not black. But they were people who I felt spoke my language -- enjoyed the verbal and text game side of things, very analytical in some respects but also with a high emotional intelligence, and focused on deeper inner game concepts like boundaries etc. However, the natural friends in my social circle I learned from are black. End of the day, this space is about swapping notes, which cuts far deeper than race.

But yes you are right there are nuances. I think black guys need to focus more on the comfort side of the equation (since the stereotype is that we are smooth talkers) and on building a strong and diverse social circle (if we want to date outside their race). As far as OLD, once I optimized my profile and really learned how to text, I don't have any problems.

universityhound · 2022-01-29T19:47:21+00:00

This is why I find it really helpful when guys post their race, height, age, and location in their field reports. All this matters in seduction and it's better to learn from a guy whos stats look like your own.

thelambofdeth · 2022-01-29T05:33:23+00:00

I've been saying this for ages. Like 98% of women prefer white men, so there's a selection bias they have and can't comprehend not having so it subconsciously skews their advice. There's barrier you have against you when you're black that their advice doesn't take into consideration. They don't have to worry about all these negative stereotypes and prejudice that eliminate tons of women from even considering black dudes.

Whenever you mention how much more difficult OLD is as a black man they say you're just lazy and looking for excuses not even realizing for almost all the women there white is the preference or default, and if you're not that, you basically have to be a 11/10 just to compete with the average white guy. Then comes the anecdotal example of the one black guy they happen to know that kills it on OLD and slays everyone women when they go out...lol.

the-mo55 · 2022-01-29T13:07:24+00:00

According to SNL,

“How to avoid sexual harassment accusations “ 1. Be good looking

MA_CA_NV_CA · 2022-01-29T07:30:53+00:00

I kinda partly agree but only to an extent. Certain things are specific to the man but I tend to think most things are universally good advice and tactics and strategies.

Also to flip this a little I think the advice should be slightly different depending on what kind of girls you’re gaming - college girls v cougars v Japanese girls v American rural girls v black girls v artsy girls, etc.

There are great teachers who’ve helped me immensely who are nothing like me ranging from ripped huge black guys (I’m average white guy), people who game in other countries, people who game girls I’m not attracted to at all. The great gamers are 90% using the same universal principles.

Snakehead004 · 2022-01-29T17:58:12+00:00

I disagree. Everyone looks different but taking steps to better ourselves, be more interesting, sociable and confident is relevant for all people. Men and women.

gammaJinx · 2022-01-29T17:58:52+00:00

It’s all the same advice bro. Your race don’t matter. Get as physically attractive as you can. And hit on as many girls as you can. That applies to all men. Rates of success might differ from person to person. But that’s ok

almighty_nsa · 2022-01-29T13:09:19+00:00

Bs. If having women would foremost be determined by looks I would be drowning in pussy. Needless to say im not. Im vaguely successful. But not as successful as many of my much uglier friends.

HappyGreenPanda · 2022-01-29T13:23:33+00:00

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losingstreak999 · 2022-01-29T15:25:31+00:00

I don't usually chime in, but this is BS. Utter BS.

Yes, race, looks, age, style, money etc etc does matter

But good game is good game. Are there some specific things that work better in one setting but not another? Sure.

Are you making WAY more mistakes with your game, than you could be? Sure. A green-skinned Martian could point 'em out to you.

One of my wings is Asian and he's an absolute killer, semi-pro level. I'm a tall white guy and he could blow me out of any set in a second. I take his advice instantly and do my best to implement it.

SnooMachines1406 · 2022-01-29T13:41:58+00:00

Guys no matter your looks your gonna get rejceted alot what separates the guys who get girls and the guys that dont are the confident guys who keep putting themselves out there.

angelsfan-34 · 2022-01-29T15:48:31+00:00

People need to learn that if you don’t have looks you have to bring something else to the table. You have to peak a girls interest for her to notice you if your not overly attractive

b_a_d_r0b0t · 2022-01-29T16:06:47+00:00

Agree 100%

Sensitive-Permit-877 · 2022-01-29T16:37:18+00:00

I agree but dont close the doors to any man. Every man of every race can teach you some good game tips. Like I would have never learned to check women if it weren't for a black man.

GEEZUS_956 · 2022-01-29T18:31:24+00:00

With vitiligo, I’m fucked. Don’t worry, I don’t.

VDKay · 2022-01-29T19:51:48+00:00

Only if by "looks" you mean the overall image and mannerism they project and not only their face/body

SG_3160 · 2022-01-30T00:17:20+00:00

I agree on this no down vote from me .

Woujo · 2022-01-30T01:15:17+00:00

I completely disagree with this post.

OP: what should you, as a black man, do differently than a white guy? Serious question.

Organic_Pack1211 · 2022-01-30T02:09:34+00:00

Agreed. If you want advice on how to get the woman ask a man similar to you. If you want advice on how to please a woman in the bed, ask a woman

petty-Plant-1804 · 2022-01-30T03:58:43+00:00

I want to know if you are saying that white girls don't date black men or are you saying that women of all races don't date black men ?

BlaisianDan · 2022-01-30T16:52:46+00:00

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