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Yes. She was also a contestant on Big Brother before she was booted off for misbehaviour. I don't watch the show so I didn't know this until recently.

On the show she mentioned that she was a child prostitute at age 16. Both her mum and dad deny this as they have said that she was at a private school at this age for the whole term until she was 17. They added that she did gender studies at University where her dissertation was on prostitution and this is how she came up with the idea.

From what I'm thinking, it looks like she joined a gender studies course where she learned that the menz are eval and out to getz the wimminz and thus became a radical fembot after that.

I certainly hope not, but there is the possibility that impressionable girls are being taught this brand of Rad feminism within our very own institutions.

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Can we please make a concerted effort for there to be no vigilantism going on here? Letters to employers and media outlets to get them fired and shamed for their misandry is one thing, but if these people receive irl harassment that would discredit us, in addition to being just wrong.

I think it would be good if we could attach a message to all posts about this and all messages containing this information explaining that it's both counter-productive and immoral to engage or encourage real life harassment.

The last thing we need is some kind of battle of brute force and intimidation suppressing open dialogue about gender issues. The status quo is on their side and reason is on our side. Suppression of ideas and critical thinking can only help them.

Edit: I've read into it more and seen that what they write is not just misandrous hate but actual threats of violence. So in addition to attempting to get them shamed and fired, I think government action would also be good. "I hate men" is misandrous, but protected by free spech. "We should kill all the men" is conspiracy to commit violence, not speech. But still, no vigilantism. Respect the rule of law.

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"I got confused when you jumped into that conversation for no reason I can discern."

I am sorry that such a thing caused confusion for you. And I'm more sorry that your confusion led you to accuse me of being a child molestor.

Still, at least you sort of almost apologised for saying such a horrific thing - "I suppose that was my mistake"

Yeah, I suppose it was.

I don't know what JeremiahMRA meant by saying you want innocent men to go to prison.

But referring to an innocent man as a child molestor with no fucking grounds whatsoever certainly indicates that he might be right.

I don't care for the rest of your trash talk. You go ahead and be a big hard man who 'hits back.' But you make one more accusation against me like that and your name is going to go viral in connection with it. You got that?

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your deflecting , ill rephrase it , we have in our possession the ability to interact to remove from positions of authority persons who can potentially do harm with that authority , do we 1, ignore it and run the risk of children suffering because we dont want to offend the wimmens ? or do we 2, put the facts out there let the school and people know this exists and let the chips fall , there is as much chance of them hurting the children as the perceived idea that a big nasty mra would find them and harrass them or going by some of the comments here "skin them and wear their heads as hats while driving across several states" ( i figure that should keep the sistahs happy as a descriptor of an MRA ) ...... so with those two choices there it can be summed up in one other question ... who is more deserving of protection , people who revel at the idea of killing men and boys and abandoning male babies to die or children who have done nothing wrong in the world and do not have the abillity to protect themselves, what one should we protect ?

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right now in the past few days i saw the tantrum and the threat to leave the boards ( very school boy like " i hate you im running away from home esque" ) .

You are someone who has kicked up so much shit at people , and someone who refuses to answer a very simple question which ive asked in a few different ways and ill be honest anyone who puts a potential abusers needs in front of childrens is pretty much loathesome in my eyes .

When I saw the school teachers data last week , me and the majority of people here focused on the fact kids are at risk , the radfemhub is a group that not only have done all this vile stuff but they also doxxed john the other, making DIRECT threats at him and approaching his work and his home trying to wreck his life .. the reason, he wrote about the fact that they want to kill people , feminists and srs and people like yourself who feel giving voice to bigots is more important than kids safety have said nothing about the behaviour of these animals and instead have made a mass of unsubstantiated claims of terrorism and name calling simply because these people have been outed , I started last week with a modicum of respect for the people who came to the board and disagreed , all i have seen from them has been hate and lies, im done with them , im done with people who are a waste of flesh .

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I completely agree. This whole thing further exclaims how this subreddit has one of the most vitriolic and self-important user bases I've ever seen on the net.

Do you think anyone cares what a message board full of people filled with hate for [x] human subset has to say? Or the people involved? Do you think the NAACP or Amnesty International give a shit about the PLETHORA of white supremacist message boards? Of course not. They don't ignore it, but they don't pretend that their battles lay in some dark corner of the internet like a bunch of 13 year olds.

/r/mensrights is a place where advantaged people go to feel like they're in some kind of incredible battle with a distinguishable foe. There is no great battle, and while men face evolving issues (as is the case when society builds up gender roles), so does everyone else.

And until we can all realize this then places like /r/mensrights will do nothing but consume and regurgitate the exact kind of thought that propagates these issues.

MRAs: for once I challenge you to not downvote something that doesn't repeat the inner paranoid narrative in your head.

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Both boards are full of angry people and frankly, I think they BOTH have reasons to be angry. There is a real disparity between men and women on many fronts and it's not bad to talk about them. My concern with the boards on Reddit is that it has become a pissing match with ever increasing vitriol.

It would be easy to dismiss the members of the Matter and Wome's Life board as angry lesbians. Hell, from what I read, most of them are. But so what?

Does that mean they have no justification for any of their views? Of course not. Do they go overboard? IMO, yes. But I wouldn't have given out their information because sometimes people just want to rant and I don't see how it's any of my business.

I think it's unwise to dismiss /r/mensrights as just whiny teenagers for the same reason I don't dismiss the other board as angry lesbians. Frankly, it's never a good idea to categorize people without understanding WHY they're acting how they are.

It is not in contention that women get the kids in a divorce. Nor is it in contention that men earn more than women. But without knowing WHY, we can't work to solve those issues. Both boards are full of confirmation bias but hey, that's their right! If they want to say men suck, more power to them. If the guys on /r/mensrights want to complain about how child support is handled, well, they should be able to.

These issues aren't made up. They're real. But as long as we're screaming at each other, no one will ever hear the voice of reason.

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We don't know that, Some creep didn't release any information to the public in a 100+mb file

Well actually, screenshots were released on a voice for men showing that they were.

It has men's rights in the name. If you thought feminists had bad PR...

WHOO BOY you guys are in for it. Men's rights aren't really all that well known. Any PR this movement gets (say like a news story) will be the face of it.

We are hoping to create some bad PR for feminsts with this info you nutcase. The information being released shows Radfems in positions of responsibility that they shouldn't have. i.e. Child Carers who hate males including male CHILDREN that they look after.

Well this whole situation is buttfuckingnly bonkers, silly statements are downright obligatory.

I don't see how this is any different from a newspaper. Newspapers don't go around publishing stories withholding details of who they are writing about. Any men doing the equivalent would have been named and shamed easily without any backtalk like this.

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No, this is not purely a matter for law enforcement. These people should be outed to the general public simply because the general public needs to know about them. There is nothing private about a facebook or Linkedin profile and all of the "private" information was gathered using google and other publicly available sources. There is absolutely nothing wrong or amoral with shining a bight light on these people and their hate especially since many of them hold positions of influence. Seriously, if you had a kid in school and there was a teacher who was fantasizing about killing children on an online forum wouldn't you want to know about it? The time for dillydallying with feminists is over. MRAs must take more of this type of action and we should not be hesitant. Think about what happened two weeks ago when the Canadian Authorities detained an MRA and questioned him after he was FALSELY accused of stockpiling weapons by feminists who simply wanted to intimidate him. This is a rough fight that we are in and we cannot fret too much on our tactics as long as they are legal. We will let our enemies terrible behavior speak for itself.

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You have to remember that anyone who would choose to undertake something to specifically harm a group makes up such a statistically insignificant portion of the population as to make the occurrence negligible. Each year, there are more people that die from the flu than from this type of hate violence [on the magnitude of 10 x.]

I'm not trying to lessen the impact of this violence on families, friends, and the general public by saying this. I'm bringing it up to speak about the intellectual dishonesty used in making these statements.

Anyone who would do something "stupid" was already going to do something "stupid." That person just needed someone to hate.

These specific statements DO need to be made public. Reverse the sexes, or introduce a racial element, and there will be an FBI profile and a watch list team set out for the posters. The women that made, and continue to make, these statements online need to be outed. For the detractors of this, I'll again state that thought is not a crime. It should not be, it can not be.

It is a crime when you make it public, which they have done.

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You have to remember that anyone who would choose to undertake something to specifically harm a group makes up such a statistically insignificant portion of the population as to make the occurrence negligible. Each year, there are more people that die from the flu than from this type of hate violence [on the magnitude of 10 x.]

Oh, so that makes it okay to add more harm?

Anyone who would do something "stupid" was already going to do something "stupid." That person just needed someone to hate.

But what would they have done if you hadn't just given them a target to attack?

Reverse the sexes, or introduce a racial element, and there will be an FBI profile and a watch list team set out for the posters.

You are not the FBI, a professional organization that knows to stay in the shadows and not intervene unless truly necessary. You are a bunch of vigilantes on the internet, a batch of 4channers out for blood. You're going to get somebody killed, because all it takes is for just one of you to be that crazy.

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Some of those women have children. Boys. No worried?

They teach special ed students. Not worried?

They work in youth programs. Not worried?

They work to pass legislation. Not worried?

They are ready to practice selective abortion. Not worried?

They wonder how easy it would be to put some experimental chemical into people's food to engineer a soft gendercide. Sure, they would fail. Abysmally. But some people would get strange chemicals in their lunch. Not worried?

The point you seem dead set on missing, is that they do not need to achieve Hitler-levels of power and malevolence to hurt people badly. They don't even have to do it themselves. Just plant the ideas, and hope another Solanas comes along and implements them.

The past posts have had lots of, "They'll get what's coming to them, wink-wink."

[citation needed]

And I certainly hope they get fired from any sensitive position they might occupy.

AnnAnarchist has called for feminists to be beaten, raped, and killed in the past.

Lies. In some specific instances he has wished violence on some offender, out of anger. It is poor behavior, but to my knowledge he has never called for systemic violence against any group of people, for any reason.

Finally, in a serendipitous way, I've just noticed a link in r/MR which puts your claim of doxing being a MRM phenomenon to the lie. Apparently, feminists have been doxing MRAs for quite a while, already.

So go peddle your concern trolling elsewhere.

Edit : your edit confirms what I said about AnnArchist. He can be an asshat, but he's not advocating violence on any group.

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Do you seriously believe that ~50 sectarian and transphobic radfems posting on a forum are somehow able to instigate a genocide?

They don't need to actually instigate a genocide for their ideas to be harmful. Andrers Brevik wasn't able to instigate a war on all the brown people in Europe like he'd hoped to. But his ideas about wanting one led to a massacre.

Proposing radical violence and repression as an option legitimatises and desensitizes us to lesser forms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

In the 60s someone would have laughed at you for proposing a bunch of college feminists would have the power to create the terrible legal mistreatment of men that exists today, but they did. In the 20s someone in Germany would have laughed at you for proposing that a bunch of angry cafeteria radicals might succeed in having millions of jews killed - the jews who, by the way, were considered privileged oppressors of the rest of Germany that the rest of Germany needed to protect themselves from.

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The problem is that calling it Schrodinger's rapist actually destroys the paradox.

It's based on Schrodinger's cat, as you know; the cat might be alive, or might be dead. There's no way of knowing until you open the box.

Now, as I understand, the idea behind Schrodinger's rapist is that any given man might or might not be a rapist; there's no way of knowing until it's too late, presumably.

Except ... you've already concluded that any given man is a rapist, because you've referred to him as Schrodinger's rapist.

We don't refer to Schrodinger's cat as Schrodinger's alive cat or Schrodinger's dead cat. That would defeat the purpose of the paradox, by positing an unknowable conclusion in advance. You follow?

So, in the case that a man may or may not be a rapist, to refer to him in advance of that knowledge as 'Schrodinger's rapist' ... as I say, destroys the actual point it is attempting to convey!

And really, it's just a long-winded way of saying "all men are rapists" ... that old chestnut!

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Because the rape survivor in this scenario doesn't exist.

False - the essay is deliberately written as to make the woman mentioned a possible survivor, but leave it ultimately unclear. I referred to one specifically because the trauma which some rape survivors go through when they feel threatened far, far outstrips any unhappiness a well-intentioned man might feel if a woman feels threatened by him.

Nothing has actually happened to her.

Wrong again. The woman in the essay is made to feel uncomfortable by the behaviour of some men.

The only crime he has committed is existing.

Nope, his behaviour has made the woman feel threatened. The author explicitly details how this behaviour this, and explains how men can act so as to minimize this. It is completely and unilaterally the woman's prerogative if she feels threatened by a man's behaviour towards her, just as it is solely a man's prerogative if he feels threatened by a woman's behaviour towards him.

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False - the essay is deliberately written as to make the woman mentioned a possible survivor

Everybody on earth is a possible survivor. Read the essay. None of the arguments are dependent upon her being a survivor. They all are intended to apply to every woman.

I referred to one specifically because the trauma which some rape survivors go through

Again, there is no rape survivor in the scenario. If you would like to write your own essay and refer to that scenario, feel free to put a rape survivor in it. There is no rape survivor in the Schrödinger's Rapist scenario. Mentioning rape survivors in this scenario is an appeal to emotion. It's an attempt to engender sympathy for the woman in the scenario, even though nothing bad has happened to her.

Nothing has actually happened to her.

Wrong again. The woman in the essay is made to feel uncomfortable by the behaviour of some men.

his behaviour has made the woman feel threatened.

The only thing that has happened is that the man has approached her in public. This is a perfectly normal human interaction. It doesn't make her a victim.

It is completely and unilaterally the woman's prerogative if she feels threatened by a man's behaviour towards her

We agree here. It is her prerogative to feel threatened. But it doesn't make her a victim. A paranoid schizophrenic can be made to feel threatened by an empty room. It doesn't mean somebody has harmed them.

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I was not insinuating that you did have that view.

I think it is pretty evident that there are people with very ignorant views towards gender in nearly every group. Misogynists here? Yup. Misandrists there? Yup.

When do we start taking the size of the group seriously, in relation to their views?

You are directly suggesting that we shouldn't consider this such a serious threat simply because it is ~50 people posting on a forum. Can they instigate a genocide? Maybe not. But they can cause change, they can influence other people.

These are very distinctly people who are spewing hate speech, in my view. I hold this identical to a situation of KKK members, or any other hate group. I would very much like to know if people I may possibly interact with, or who are in political or influential positions, are members of a hate group like the KKK.

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Interesting that you rush to defend them. It says a lot about who you are.

But, no, the issues are

That obviously there are more people than these ~50 involved; these individuals likely represent the tip of the iceberg, and
Said individuals are not ranting from a position of powerlessness, but hold worrying political sway (this has repeatedly been made clear, to the point that your refusal to acknowledge it comes across like apologia), and
All prior genocides have been instigated by a very small number of people with political sway. All that is needed is for other people to be indifferent or hostile towards the target population. And ... remind me who is cultivating indifference and hostility towards men? Oh right - the Earnest Feminists.

Earnest and Radical Feminists, working together, side by side, with common aims!

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All prior genocides have been instigated by a very small number of people with political sway.

I think you'll find that all prior genocides have been instigated by a very small number of men.

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The naming part is essential, we have Radfems in child care caring for children who advocate for gential mutilation. The specic example I am talking about goes by the screen name of Allecto and reading her blog was pretty much mind frazzling. Apparently her real name is Dannielle Pynnonen and she is a child carer.

From her blog she has vented the opinion that all men should be castrated from birth, all men are rapists, she wrote a whole article on how Josh Wheedons shows (Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly) were hardcore pornography (Yes, she is that nuts) filled with rape. And of course the tip of the iceberg is that she has also advocated for the extinction of men all together.

Trust me, I want this person out of her job and not caring for any children at all. WHo knows what she would end up doing to some poor boy on one of her bad days.

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So the hate mongers at SRS have decided what comments it is we're getting upset about and are deriding us for it

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/nlsbk/effortpost_feminism_inevitably_heads_down_the/c3a3ks5

How they looked at that blog post and decided that was the worst is beyond me. They ignore this gem...

As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification.

I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy

Not to mention the comments...

And look at animals… primates do NOT do pair-bonding. Females live together in groups, they are the community, and men hover around the outskirts fighting and killing each other. Let’s go back to the way it’s supposed to be, I say.

and

The magic number to bring the males under control is ~30% of the population (roughly 2 females per male). There are a few countries (like in Africa) where the men have managed to kill themselves off with a lot of warring, then the women get into politics and make a lot of community-friendly political decisions, that benefit the whole community, not just women.

and

hmm. the not raising male children one is difficult one for me as I have one!! I mean, we need female children and I’m so glad I have a daughter. SHe was my first, perhaps I should have stopped at one, but as I was saying on another thread just now I only had my radical reawakening when I was well into my second pregnancy. We need to severely curtail male power out there in the world. When their social power is annihilated surely that will count for something. Black men are bigger, faster and stronger than white men, this is obvious, you only have to look at the Olympics to see that, and yet white men have always managed to oppress them. Japanese men are tiny and yet they have completely dominated Asia for a century. So I don’t think physical size and strength is the issue here. it’s the structural workings of social power. Men need to be stripped of their social, economic and political power. The rest will follow.

This is my favorite though...

Even if we killed off 90% of men, the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I’d dare say we’d have to kill off all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.

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but this would be punishing them for having their own ideas in a way that they would punish us for fighting for men's rights.

This is a false equivalence. We're fighting for equal rights. They're advocating violent extermination. Have you read the comments? It's not just comments like "men are disgusting pigs and I hate them." It's stuff like

Even if we killed off 90% of men, the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I’d dare say we’d have to kill off all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.

Free speech has to apply to all ideas, no matter how terrible, but making their ideas public so that they're shamed and taken out of positions of power isn't suppressing their free speech. Only using physical force against them is suppressing free speech.

Additionally, free speech exists contextually. It applies to all ideas, no matter how horrible or bigoted, but it doesn't apply to plans to commit illegal activity. Threats of physical force aren't protected speech. Whether this is direct enough to apply as a threat is debatable (they say men should be killed and need to be to achieve their goals; they don't say when or how they're going to do it), but you could make a good case for it. Any punishment they receive, of course, should be taken by a government employing the rule of law, not vigilantes.

The idea that they're small and their ideas are unpopular so they're harmless I addressed in an earlier comment...

They don't need to actually instigate a genocide for their ideas to be harmful. Andrers Brevik wasn't able to instigate a war on all the brown people in Europe like he'd hoped to. But his ideas about wanting one led to a massacre.

Proposing radical violence and repression as an option legitimatises and desensitizes us to lesser forms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

In the 60s someone would have laughed at you for proposing a bunch of college feminists would have the power to create the terrible legal mistreatment of men that exists today, but they did. In the 20s someone in Germany would have laughed at you for proposing that a bunch of angry cafeteria radicals might succeed in having millions of jews killed - the jews who, by the way, were considered privileged oppressors of the rest of Germany that the rest of Germany needed to protect themselves from.

As Ayn Rand said, "Today's unchallenged absurdities are tomorrow's accepted slogans."

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I'm going to stick to my guns and say that there's nothing wrong with this. I've posted on numerous other threads, many defending men's rights, and one of my strong principles is that nobody should ever be held accountable for the offense another person feels from what you say. This extends to threats. If someone simply says, "I want to kill all men" or "I am going to rape your face" or "Get ready, here comes the face-rape brigade!" or -anything- that makes you feel threatened, and does nothing else, it's not wrong. The only immoral way to use words is deception.

If these people want to talk about this stuff, that's fine with me. If they try to harm another individual, they should be charged accordingly, but not before that point. Furthermore, if the people are to be fired from their jobs over inappropriate use of company/organization resources, then the nature of that material should be kept private and not released to the public.

It is my firm belief that, despite the horrible beliefs espoused by these people, the only thing we should have heard about it was that random people were discharged for inappropriate use of resources. I think some crazy shit, and I'd hate to have to explain to my bosses why I'm a proponent of legal suicide.

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It's disgraceful and 1000000000000000000000% more likely to cause legit harm to a real live person than their moronic fantasies about their women only utopia.

I explained why these are more than "moronic fantasies" in this post.

Additionally, do you think that day care worker isn't doing any harm to the boys and girls whose parents are entrusting them with her? Do you think that Arts and Culture policymaker isn't contributing to the dehumanizing of men in pop culture?

It's amazing how you people defend "free speech" issues like r jailbait and beatingwomen but if it's speech you disagree with you literally support ruining the persons life and tacitly approve of whatever happens to them.

I don't know about others but I think Reddit was right for closing jailbait and should close beatingwomen. Someone refusing to let you use their property for your speech isn't censorship.

I would say posting pictures of underage girls for people to fap to and making jokes about domestic abuse, while each highly contemptible, aren't as bad as grouping together to advocate systematic violence against three and a half billion people. But of course, not being as bad as that isn't saying much.

but if it's speech you disagree with you literally support ruining the persons life and tacitly approve of whatever happens to them.

Your use of "harm" earlier and "ruining the person's life" here equivocates any type of harm that might come to them because of this. I certainly don't approve of "whatever happens to them." My highest-voted comment is strongly emphasizing that we need to prevent there being any vigilante violence against them.

If they lose jobs and friends, I think that's good. I may or may not support government action. This isn't merely things we "disagree with." These are advocations of violence. These people deserve all the contempt anyone can give them. You have a right to spread any ideas you want, no matter how terrible, without being physically forced to stop. You don't have a right to do that and not have it affect who wants to give you a job, friendship, or respect. You certainly don't have a right to call for the initiation of violent acts without it affecting those things.

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It's disgraceful and 1000000000000000000000% more likely to cause legit harm to a real live person than their moronic fantasies about their women only utopia.

Its thanks to these women that other women like Catherine Kieu Becker go around chopping their husbands dicks off for no reason.

Your whole "what about the men" thing is asinine when you do shit like this. It's amazing how you people defend "free speech" issues like r jailbait and beatingwomen but if it's speech you disagree with you literally support ruining the persons life and tacitly approve of whatever happens to them.

They are allowed their free speech but its interesting how you are trying to hinder our free speech in wanting to out these people publically. Shows just what kind of moron you are really. Nobody is trying to censor what these Radfems are saying you moron. In fact the more they publically declare their dislike of men then the better because it does wonders for the MRM then. All we're trying to do is highlight this "free speech" to the public. Surely you can't be against that, surely these evil witches would welcome the opportunity of having their voices broadcasted to everyone else in hope of spreading their vile hatred.

Say something public, then don't be surprised when it gets passed around.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Yes, your hypocrisy is astounding.

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You'd report them to the police, not internet vigilantes who might end up killing someone.

What crime, pray tell me, have they committed? None. Fantasizing about the demise of men is not a crime.

And internet vigilantes? Ah, yes. That old chestnut about us being "dangerous males". Yet, even though not a single MRA has ever harmed anyone, these women aren't outed to us alone. They are outed to the world. To the parents of the children they supervise, to the public officials they advise, to the social services they are members of, to the editors who publish their words.

Shouldn't they be warned about those "dangerous females"? Aren't you concerned about the harm they might do?

No, of course. Only men are dangerous. To a misandrist.

Edit : Oh, and since they fantasize about harming children, I think in this case the pedophile comparison is adequate. Feminism is generally more akin to general prejudice (actualized as misandry), and these kooks just escalate this trend to hate crimes levels.

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In 1989, the internet (well, the Web) didn't exist yet, so Marc Lépine could hardly be a internet vigilante, which was the question.

He also was a very disturbed individual, and probably totally unaware there was anything like a Men's Rights Movement, given the time frame.

In fact, such individuals and tragedies are exactly what we are trying to prevent, as many MRM websites and authors have stated repeatedly. As fathers get estranged from their children, as physical and social violence against men is ignored or downplayed, as economic and educational opportunities disappear for men, the pressure on such fragile individuals mounts, and a few of them are bound to snap in violent and spectacular ways.

Anders Breivik, who you incorrectly (but oh so predictably) identify as an MRA, even though he repeatedly identified himself as a Christian Crusader against multiculturalism, is another case of a fragile individual coming from a fractured family, and suffering from psychiatric issues.

Such men, in the pressure-cooker of a misandrist society, are ignored and belittled before they snap, and demonized afterwards, paving the way for more male vilification and repression, which in turn leads to another vicious cycle of violence.

Unless men are finally recognized as inately valuable individuals, and not just disposable bodies unworthy of the same attention and empathy we lavish on women (that hateful "yeah, what about teh menz", of feminist fame), there won't be any solution to those type of shootings. These men will continue popping up every now and then, killing innocents in a blind rage against a system of misandry they cannot even identify.

The only solution is to expose this systemic misandry to the light of day, until it becomes as unacceptable as any other form of discrimination, and finally subsides.

And you, 1338h4x, think you're fighting against this violence, when in fact you are just perpetuating its cause.

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i dont care if there was only 5 , the fact you have teachers claiming that they would like to throw kids through closed windows, and calling the kids in there care rapists , the others i dont give a fuck about , the fact there are people who could be a risk to children takes it out of being games and makes it something that needs to be addressed, and anyway , and this is something that pissed me off , why is the volume important, ive seen this with amanda marcottes writing on more than once when discussing things that happens to males, as well as other feminists saying the same thing , to them it seems like small numbers = insignificant, i thought acceptable losses and collateral damage was only an army thing. Its on record here my mother was like these women , spouted a lot of the same rhetoric and beat the shit out of me on a weekly basis till i got to a size where that couldnt happen , i am only interested in the fact there is a CHANCE that kids are in danger, anyone who says that they arent is delusional , no one knows these women personally , there has to be something done, I contacted the police over the sexual assault video posted on ebaums world yesterday , ill do this today , even if 1 person is safer , they are worth more to me than people who can happily talk about killing kids and leaving male babies to die from neglect, im just at a loss to understand why feminists are more interested in playing this down than the well-being on the kids these women teach, and bear in mind one of them teaches special needs kids so they are even more at risk .

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Fucking hell. If advocating genocide isn't enough to get someone to lose their job then what is? Using your book nobody would be arrested for anything because you would shout out loud the words "Vigilante justice"

Oh wait, of course, this is only in relation to women.

Where is your voice when men who are falsely accused of rape or domestic violence then get hassled in the street for something they didn't do by vigilantes.

Here's a clue, you're very own movement promotes vigilante justice, so you have no fucking right to tells us what we can or cannot do in the first place.

Secondly, we are not advocating vigilante justice. This information is for public release to the media outlets in the first place. The same media outlets who have no qualms in naming and shaming men for anything bad they do but apparently you don't give a fuck about that. Very telling if you ask me.

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From a few comments up:

In fact, you and peole like you are exactly why men and women everywhere should fight every last one of you, tooth and nail, until your hate is wiped from the face of the Earth.

Technically, you're correct, but as it happens, this little thread involves MRAs both exposing people who "discuss plans for genocide", as well as actually discussing and upvoting plans for genocide.

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Title	Agent Orange Files Released
Author	AgentmraOrangemrm
Upvotes	37
Comments	455
Date	December 21, 2011 4:55 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/nleln/agent_orange_files_released/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/agent-orange-files-released.1030251 https://theredarchive.com/post/1030251

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