How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?

EmirikolWoker · 2022-01-31T15:37:53+00:00

I've often layed out how Patriarchy conjecture means that men are inntely psychopathic as a class, oppressing those with whom they have their closest emotional bonds (or being happy to sit back while others do so).

crippledhermit · 2022-01-31T16:02:39+00:00

I view it in the same vein as the Illuminatti. And explain accordingly.

WaddlinPenguin · 2022-01-31T15:51:33+00:00

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psuedoscientist500 · 2022-01-31T17:40:51+00:00

I've noticed that the term "patriarchy" differs, and feminists tend to contort the definition so it can fit into whatever narrative they need it to.

They do the same thing with the term toxic masculinity to.

Yoguls_monkies · 2022-01-31T18:29:39+00:00

If you want to have a serious conversation with someone about patriarchy, the first thing you should do is ask them to define it. I’ve noticed that feminists have a habit of changing the definitions of words and concepts as soon as it becomes advantageous to do so.

One minute, patriarchy theory is about how men have all the power and use it to privilege themselves over women, Moments later, patriarchy is actually about parental lineage, And then, patriarchy is all about capitalist systems.

They do that stuff all the time, it’s a shit show, and will leave you banging your head against a wall.

IIRC, Karen Straughan described arguing with a feminist like “sword fighting a fart in the wind”.

Eedoryeong · 2022-02-01T01:04:19+00:00

Women oligarchs created the patriarchy, as they are the top beneficiaries of it and the chief oppressors. They shape everything in the society ostensibly run by men. Even the apex powerful men are in a state of constant sacrifice, whereas their female counterparts enjoy fluid social currency should their enabling man falter or be called on to exercise his sacrifice. Ask any survivor of the Titanic. The patriarchy is a smokescreen for the matriarchy.

Then point your finger right at her and say "and YOU'RE complicit in that oppression". Make it personal just like she would. Put her on the defensive. Have your stats ready if she bites

SpanishM · 2022-01-31T16:19:42+00:00

Patriarchy -as defined by feminism- does not exist.

The premise of patriarchy is that "men feel superior to women and want to dominate them". The people who believe this are ignorant, paranoid, sexist or plain stupid (or all these things together).

BrokenDeity1 · 2022-02-01T00:15:04+00:00

Patriarchy is feminist conspiracy drivel and tradcon fantasy. Misandry, androphobia and male enslavement are the true norms of history and society.

Women are the dominant and privileged gender and always have been.

Feminism is a fraud and a hate movement.

Anih1list · 2022-01-31T17:18:39+00:00

Respond that women have been partially responsible for patriarchy. Through sexual selection, women reward men who are dominant and aggressive with ambitions for power. Through parenthood, they teach boys to grow up and attain social status. To tear down a SYSTEM is to do just that, not to point the finger at a group of people.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-01-31T16:10:16+00:00

Patriarchy was invented in 1848 at the beginning of organized feminism at the Seneca Falls Conference. It doesn't exist. There is no conspiracy of men, except for here at MR's where men conspire to maintain equality while there is a highly organized push that has overshot it's mark.

red_philosopher · 2022-01-31T16:57:20+00:00

Tell them that you agree that the patriarchy exists, but you disagree that men wilfully created it.

Then feign ignorance and explain what you take patriarchy to mean, and then ask them what patriarchy is.

"Oh. I didn't know that." Then explain to them why men as a class cannot have created it, because intersectionally, men do not form a single class. There are the bourgeoisie elite, and there are the men that form the lower class, with no ability to affect the decisions of the bourgeoisie.

So if anything is going on, there's a class war between the elite and the common folk, and as a way of keeping us distracted, they pit the lower classes of men and women against each other by stoking a divisional class-war between the sexes of the common folk.

Honestly, I might just say you should fuck around and see what you can learn xD

Iceman_Hottie · 2022-01-31T22:02:39+00:00

Short form/lazy version:

If you are going to judge all men on what a few do: then why are you a pedophile? All things that feminists have actively supported. The one that came with "patriarchy theory" - Simone de Beauvoir - actively advocated for pedophilia.

The longer version. My take is that the "patriarchy" delusion is 3 things:

Gaslighting - as it is contradicted by human biology, specifically men having a neurological response to women showing socially significant emotions, making human biology mutually exclusive with "patriarchy theory". Telling someone that what is true is false - is gaslighting, a form of abuse.
Normalisation of abusive relationships - the behaviour described by "patriarchy theory" is described by psychology and neuroscience, but as abnormal - thus is not descriptive of what is typical to men (it can be caused by brain damage). As it is abnormal - it is not exhibited by most people, therefore "patriarchy" cannot be true as it is not describing normal behaviour.
A lot of copium - the creator of "patriarchy theory" - Simone de Beauvoir, created it so as to pull others into her situation, so that she wouldn't feel as bad about choosing to stay in a mutually abusive relationship. As the saying goes: misery loves company.

AndyBrown65 · 2022-01-31T23:53:01+00:00

Walk away, they won't changed their mind. You could ask them "explain patriarchy" and they would say something along the lines of "an oppressive system established by men that denies women rights and privileges than men enjoy" "Oh, and what rights and privileges might they be?"

They usually respond with a "Back in 1953 women weren't allowed to have a bank account in their own name" or some biological problem, which men have no control over.

lozinski · 2022-01-31T17:39:31+00:00

Ask them: "How do I join?"

tenchineuro · 2022-01-31T21:27:05+00:00

How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?

Actually what they are referring to is feminist Patriarchy Theory and it was created by feminists.

RedcloudGeorge · 2022-02-01T01:50:59+00:00

The Patriarchy is a term used to shame men into submission and compliance. Not that it would do any good, but you could explain the truth of it all:

https://www.reddit.com/user/RedcloudGeorge/comments/o8uelm/the_origin_of_evil/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Killersmile60 · 2022-01-31T21:04:14+00:00

You tell her she's right, that you're double agent working to bring down the patriarchy and all the evil it's bestowed on the world. You're going to start with all the terrible things that men have invented that should be outlawed. No cars, no electricity, no cell phones, no money. You're going to start from scratch, and abolish everything that men started. The plan is to blow up all technology, and start from scratch, since the world we live in today was created by the patriarchy. No tampons, no birth control pills, no pharmaceutical products, no beauty products. Honestly, we're living at a time where our networth is in the top 1% of all humans that have ever lived on this planet. We argue over stupid constructs like the patriarchy, because unlike our ancestors, we don't need to plow fields or go on long hunting expeditions. Tell her she's a spoiled entitled little brat, laugh in her face, and walk away.

Liberal_On_Guns · 2022-01-31T21:37:23+00:00

Women fuck patriarchs so...

ivanoud · 2022-02-01T02:23:33+00:00

Tell them it's actually created by women, but blamed on men just how the wife controls over the husband in marriage.

Locketrocket28 · 2022-02-01T03:14:09+00:00

You cant win an argument with a stupid person so just walk away

Potato-with-guns · 2022-02-01T04:45:34+00:00

“And you created the matriarchy, all of men’s problems are your fault, do you see how dumb that idea sounds?”

Lon3Wo1f-117 · 2022-02-01T11:02:01+00:00

Tell them that it doesn't matter because the Patriarchy doesn't exist in modern day, first world countries. I can think of several rights that women have that men don't, yet the reverse is actually untrue.

Women's rights that men don't have, granted by law:

A commission on the status of women in every state, funded by taxpayer dollars (men only have one, in NH, and it is unfunded).
Tax benefits for being a "woman-owned business"
Government contracts guaranteed to women-owned (and minority owned) businesses.
Violence Against Women Act.
IMBRA
Full rights to their own born children. Men only get rights to their children when granted by the courts or by the legal precedent of marriage to the mother.
A department of Women's health. (yet women live 7 years longer than men on average.)
A Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women. (yet men are twice as likely to be the victims of a violent attack.)

I can continue with the hundreds of government departments for women with no corresponding department for men, but I think you get the point.

Women's rights that men don't have granted by legal precedent:

The right to abortion (yes, this is a legal precedent, not a law).
The right to abandon her child without her partner's consent.
The right to place her child up for adoption without the other parent's consent (and sometimes against that consent)
The right to lower jail sentences for the same crime, more likely to receive probation than incarceration and also shorter periods of incarceration.
The right "not to be offended" in the workplace.
The right to have a man evicted from his home because she's "afraid" of him.
The right to make false allegations of rape/DV/Child Abuse with relative impunity.
The right to keep custody of children after divorce unless PROVEN to be an unfit parent.
The right to have a man arrested on only her word, with no supporting evidence, upon an allegation of rape.
The right to women-only clubs/gyms/accommodations.
The right to use depression, PMS, or "being controlled by a man" as a legal defense and having way more of a chance of it working (not an absolute right, but Mary Winkler is getting it there)
The right to a standard of "self defense" that does not include an immediate threat.

This list continues, but I'll move on.

Responsibilities that men have which women do not by law:

Selective service (The Draft).
A requirement to list themselves on a putative father listing to have even the thinest rights to their children.
To support their Wives (these laws are still on the books. Husbands can be charged with abandonment, wives cannot.)
Responsibilities that men have which women do not by legal precedent:
To financially support their children (1: custodial mothers are not slapped with a "earn this much or go to jail" order. 2: NCP mothers are rarely ordered to support their children when in the custody of the father.)
The responsibility to accept being forced into parenthood against their will. (This is a combination of law and precedent)
The responsibility to get over their past as men cannot use prior abuse as a legal defense.

How do we live in a patriarchy again? In first world countries, we don't.

63daddy · 2022-01-31T16:40:23+00:00

We don’t live in a patriarchy, therefore any argument based on patriarchy theory is invalid.

Politically, a patriarchy is a system where only men can have a say and use their power of rule to benefit men. Women have no voice.

That’s not our system. Women can and do run for political office. We have more women voters than men. Feminism has a very strong lobby. We don’t pass laws advantaging men, we’ve passed many laws advantaging women.

Any argument about patriarchy is an attempt to trick you into claiming we live in a patriarchy. Stop the conversation right there. Don’t entertain any argument based on a false premise.

TraehNoil · 2022-01-31T16:36:14+00:00

Tell them they’ve been able to vote now for over 100 years.

bender_futurama · 2022-01-31T17:54:20+00:00

Tell them to read The Will to Change; Men, Masculinity, and Love. By Bell Hooks.. it is nice take on that problem..

usku · 2022-01-31T18:05:15+00:00

Fucking hell.

There is absolutely a patriarchy, that’s why they can vote. Buy a house. Have some of the best laws protecting your class of citizenship.

All backed by hardworking men like us, who believe women should be protected. I mean, let’s be honest here, compare any average man to woman, and we have all the natural advantages.

That said, I don’t know a single person who is part of the pAtRiArChY that represses women. I only know the parts of the patriarchy that suppresses men….

Greatest lie ever sold is that patriarchy suppresses women. Pretty sure it makes men pay the child support, takes mens kids away, takes away mens homes, sends men to war, and ensures we are all underfoot.

If we could get as half as many men together to March as the current freedom convoy sits with people, I at least we could bring more attention to it.

Or a general walkout of men, even for a day. But, the world believes the lie and wants to help the women be free…..by creating laws imprisoning men.

Edit: said men instead of women.

RandylVlarsh · 2022-01-31T18:16:02+00:00

"Silence is violence" xD

Huffers1010 · 2022-01-31T20:03:07+00:00

"What's that got to do with me - or you?"

ipwr85 · 2022-01-31T16:25:14+00:00

The patriarchy is about as real white privilege.

Elray_forced · 2022-01-31T15:34:33+00:00

Just dont respond. Its not worth it

gnuban · 2022-01-31T17:17:57+00:00

How do you convince a believer to not believe?

danielm316 · 2022-01-31T17:27:21+00:00

There is no patriarchy. Men are not privileged and women are not oppressed.

ImJustHereForCorn · 2022-01-31T18:20:19+00:00

At that point, they are closed off to any form of debate or discussion. Your best move is to get up, walkaway and say nothing back. Don't let their little jabs get to you, be the bigger guy.

SlivkaG · 2022-01-31T19:57:56+00:00

Ask her to elaborate. Spoiler : she can't.

TryingToLearn_17382 · 2022-01-31T18:41:37+00:00

There's lots of variations, but they all tend to say the same thing. I'm not sure if you're realling looking to get into arguments with feminists, because they won't change their minds just because you give them facts. https://youtu.be/JB9sfe_mQ1I

difersee · 2022-01-31T19:45:41+00:00

Patriarchy was created by the division of labor. Hunter and gather society were matriarchal, but the settled version of life favours patriarchy.

Women were pregnant or have small children that needed to be taken care of and there was a lot of work in home that needed to be done. Man worked outside, mostly with a plow. This requires a lot of strength, that on average men have more. This is also a reason why dowry is a thing, women were just another month to feed, so you would pay money to be fed elsewhere. And as It was men who worked outside, they also dominated outside matter of politics and were the first to switch from agriculture to craftsmanship. (There is some debate about the last thing, some say that women have first craftsman.)

But then in industrial revolution, the division of labour changed once again.

Flashy-Category-8069 · 2022-01-31T20:39:11+00:00

Just say ok. Those kind of women can’t stand someone not fighting back and she’ll make a fool of herself just rambling on

Ashamed-Sandwich9166 · 2022-01-31T20:43:11+00:00

Say “you’re welcome”

Other-Fennel-776 · 2022-01-31T20:44:31+00:00

A good response is "Who raised those men when they were children?"

It takes both a man and a woman to make another human life. After birth, lots of children are raised by both a father and a mother, but when a custody dispute does happen, we know that mothers get the children more often than the fathers.

Every man on this Earth was once a baby, every man was once a boy. The vast majority of them were raised by their mothers. If they're supposedly going into adulthood with toxic masculinity and are patriarchial, then it's silly to ignore that they were birthed and raised by women.

Necessity-- · 2022-01-31T20:54:29+00:00

it's useless to talk rationally to somebody that says this shit.

So either ignore them or roast them with something stupid.

It's useless to argue (in Italy we have a saying) it's like giving pearls to pigs

reddituniqueuser19 · 2022-01-31T21:54:11+00:00

It doesn’t really make sense if you believe in actual gender differences. Which we literally should if science, nature and, for those that have one, religion tell us anything. Patriarchy being a bad thing at it’s core doesn’t really make sense. I believe in our separate biologies and psychologies. They’re generally a fact. Men are naturally a more dominant species than women are. That doesn’t mean men are better. We both have our pros and, not cons, but things we lack in in comparison to the other. But then, I think the world is getting more and more confused about what gender is which is what is leading to more problems. I don’t think patriarchy should mean women shouldn’t have any input or be able to work etc., It just acknowledges that men are dominant. Which they are. I think there is good patriarchy. As, I believe, men are more dominant, those who do well in terms of rights for men and women are an example of good patriarchy. Good dominant men. For women to look at a woman and say oh, fuck the patriarchy because women don’t need to have babies and take care of kids. Well that’s just the dumbest thing. We’ve been proven to be more depressed since feminism became bigger (in the West specifically) as we battle figuring out to how have kids (which most of us want) and build a career. I see women post proudly that they had a baby and then went to work the next day like it’s some huge trend that should be followed and is as much of a procedure as buying a new handbag. It’s not. Acknowledge yourself and your beautiful power as a woman. Why are we depressing ourselves? We need to acknowledge our wonderful capabilities and realize that we are cohesive puzzle pieces. It’s not to say that a woman needs to stay home if she so chooses to leave. But we drew the biology lottery and are women. We are the ones who physically give birth and lactate therefore giving us more responsibility in physically being with the child. Men don’t so it gives them the flexibility to go out and work. There are things that men do against women and vice versa but it isn’t a patriarchy per se. I think patriarchy is a term too loosely used but then you can’t rest argue with people if they don’t believe in gender differences/capabilities. Which to me doesn’t make any sense and will only cause more problems.

Corran_Halcyon · 2022-01-31T22:42:32+00:00

If you want to be snarky and trigger them, in as genuine voice as possible simply reply, "Your welcome." Then smile and walk away.

Edit: But seriously I would just ignore them. Role my eyes and walk away. Listening to them will add nothing to your life and only waste your time and energy dealing with that level of professional victim hood and narcissism.

sleepyJoeBidet · 2022-02-01T05:40:47+00:00

You dont. Any v when who can say that with a straight face is either disingenuous, brainwashed, or a raving idiot.

Society has evolved to support itself as a whole. There has been to much competition between societies for a vanity project such as the Patriarchy to have survived.

That's one of many be arguments. But it will fall on deaf ears.

EzzyLight · 2022-02-01T06:00:37+00:00

It is conspiracy theory. Also if you are talking to women saying things you posted, you are wasting your time.

Aspiengineer · 2022-02-01T06:51:11+00:00

"So you say we live in a patriarchy? Realy?

Great! Now shut up and go get me a beer. No talking back, honey, this is a patriarchy.

rooiraaf · 2022-02-01T08:32:11+00:00

I first ask them to define it. Then they shut up when I mention the negative extremes men face - higher suicide rates, prison, end up in gangs, drugs, homelessness, work accidents, addicted to video games and porn, shooting up schools, being murdered, dropping out of school, no shelters for men. These things are at higher rates than that of women. Yes my friends, we definitely live in a patriarchy.

To add to that: went to see a film, and during the trailers there even was an ad about women's issues (which I support of course). You'd never see an ad like that for men.

makosh22 · 2022-02-01T10:10:12+00:00

Ignore.

19741280 · 2022-02-01T10:23:53+00:00

Just ask her to spell Patriarchy, and every time she brings it up, you ask the same question and don't react to the rest of what's she's saying. It will piss her off but in the end she will not bring it up because she can't get a reaction out of you. This is just a game for them designed for you to lose, don't play it by their rukes

Normal-Yogurtcloset5 · 2022-01-31T17:40:58+00:00

Agree with them and tell them that they can fight against the patriarchy by advocating that women start taking half of the jobs that men do like sanitation, road repair, working in sewers, doing construction, repairing roofs in the middle of summer, driving trucks, and getting 18 yo women to sign up for Selective Service. These activities would be a blow against patriarchy and a step towards true gender equality. Then, wait for the response.

IronJohnMRA · 2022-01-31T16:50:37+00:00

Leave. Stay away from women talking about feminist topics. No good will come from your association with them. You won't convince them no matter how strong your arguments. And once they know you are an opponent they will look for ways to hurt you.

Patches0h00lihan · 2022-01-31T16:28:42+00:00

The same way you respond to a preachy flat earther. These aren't intellectuals, they're conspiracy theorists and cultists. Or, best case, they're well-intentioned people who have been brainwashed.

loneBroWithCat · 2022-01-31T18:20:17+00:00

You don't. Don't waste your time arguing with idiots.

marks1995 · 2022-01-31T19:15:47+00:00

You don't. You will never change their mind.

They literally thrive on being victims. Trying to take that away from them will remove their entire identity and purpose.

They will either grow out of it or grow old and live by themselves with a house full of cats.

Just to clarify, in the US, it is impossible to look at the facts and claim men are keeping women down. They are advantaged in school, in college admissions, in courts, etc. The only thing preventing women from dominating is the fact that most women don't want to dominate. And that's okay.

ABeeBox · 2022-01-31T19:48:32+00:00

Never reason with them. You will NEVER win an argument. It takes such little common sense to see that there definitely is not a patriarchy (literally look at the amount of women only help lines, child custody cases, how women get away with crime, women and children first etc).

If you do want to fuck with them though, just ask them what patriarchal privileges do you have and disprove them. You will see how hard they will cling onto just about anything just so they can seem so high and mighty amongst their friends and "their cause".

SuperStateSamBamCam · 2022-01-31T19:54:30+00:00

Laugh and walk away. I think we waste too much arguing with feminists.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-01-31T17:51:51+00:00

If women are equally capable as men without modern technology they could have just left to form their own non patriarchal society, bringing a handful of sympathetic men for breeding. This means women were complicit in creating society.

The reality is that before the industrial revolution, most labor was hard, food was more scarce, healthcare was less sophisticated, and women had less control over the timing and number of their births-all while needing higher fertility rates to even maintain a population.

That arrangement became less necessary throughout the 20th century, and now most complaints about the patriarchy have nothing to do with it and it's just opportunistic grievance politics.

Of course we see the same gender roles in matriarchal societies in history, so whether men did create or not isn't even that relevant.

HyperJCT · 2022-01-31T16:32:35+00:00

Point out that they created the matriarchy but they aren’t good enough to succeed.

Inevitable_Brain9852 · 2022-01-31T17:12:54+00:00

Well at one point we did. Not intentionally as the world was very different. Men were providers whereas women were caretakers.

But obviously that is not the case anymore. Anyone can be either, and we don’t have a patriarchy anymore.

C834 · 2022-01-31T16:04:28+00:00

For me, the only thing patriarchy means is that most world leaders are male so in those terms, the patriarchy does exist.

NexLevelIntactivsm · 2022-01-31T18:03:13+00:00

Ask them whos genitals have scars? We live in a matriarch. Your Mother gets to choose if she thinks you were born disgusting.

The_Poofessor · 2022-01-31T18:01:41+00:00

I tell them all about the sweet dental plan and salary i get from the patriarchy. And how easy life is when you are part of the secret ruling class!

Best-Ad9993 · 2022-01-31T18:06:34+00:00

Say thanks and you're welcome.

Kindly-Town · 2022-01-31T17:25:15+00:00

Tell them patriarchy exists naturally and society cannot progress without it.

Wolffsrain · 2022-01-31T18:29:43+00:00

"ok" and smile. No matter what you say they will argue with you and won't change their minds. So don't waste your time.

ManofGod1000 · 2022-01-31T18:59:21+00:00

You don't, stop trying to change women and simply accept the way they are and walk away.

elebrin · 2022-01-31T19:32:05+00:00

Well, ultimately, social hierarchies are always going to exist, and social hierarchies of exclusively men are going to exist.

We have some choices, though.

We can have it so the hierarchies that dominate our lives are the ones created by the already-powerful, where they position everyone else as they see fit. This is what feminist circles do. You express the right opinions, or down to the bottom you go. Interestingly, this is what they accuse "the patriarchy" of being.

Our dominant hierarchy could be one of competence, in the general sense. The more things you are competent at, the higher you land. I do mean this in the general sense: are you competent in social as well as technical and physical spheres? You can't just be very good at math, or at sifting through articles quickly. You must be good at talking to people, convincing them, arguing your point. You must be good at having a physical presence, which often requires a person to be healthy and fit with a loud, strong speaking voice.

People see the social aspect of the second system and scream nepotism and ideology, and they are right. Both up being a factor - but it's only two factors among many. If the first system I've described is the preferred system, then they become the only two factors.

Interesting-Eye-5464 · 2022-01-31T19:44:16+00:00

You say “Incorrect! Gender Studies classes established in universities in the 1960s invented the Patriarchy”

NOgesiMinD · 2022-01-31T20:52:24+00:00

They did it once, they will do it again.

bigez526 · 2022-01-31T21:15:42+00:00

1 Timothy 2:12. God almighty created the patriarchy. Tell her to argue with him. See where that gets her.

RahStarAryan · 2022-01-31T21:30:47+00:00

Tell her about ancient matriarchal cults of the Middle East and Africa where men worshiped women with big tits and went to war at their command .

Tell her about the ancient queen Semiramis who was credited with creating castration. Show the the Falash tribe of ethiopia , ruled by women where men do brutal stick fighting with each other to gain female attention

. Show her the wives of ww1 objectors who were brainwashed by propaganda to wear whit feathers in their hats to shame their husbands to refuse to fight in a pointless war .

__pebble____ · 2022-01-31T22:57:54+00:00

You start by asking for evidence of the patriarchy in the first place, then watch them scramble around for excuses.

AndrewAffel · 2022-02-01T01:25:30+00:00

You don't. You smile and sigh. And if you actually care to you ask yourself; Will I ever understand women?

iainmf · 2022-02-01T05:30:24+00:00

They are basically saying men created society. So they are ignoring all women's power and influence, which is pretty misogynistic if you ask me.

Anytime someone uses the word patriarchy ask them to explain what they are saying without using the word patriarchy. If they can't do that, then they probably don't know what they are talking about.

MrSnrlub · 2022-02-01T06:00:32+00:00

I didn't design shit.

men_first · 2022-02-01T06:06:12+00:00

Ah yes the "Patriarchy" i.e. Men dying in fields, men dying under I-Beams, men dying in war.

"Patriarchy" is the spirit of using Men to serve women.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-02-01T06:06:36+00:00

Men destroyed patriarchy too. You think the feminists were capable of that?

The destruction of 'patriarchy' finally freed men from the archiac male-gender roles..

That's why you see marriage rates falling. Men avoiding LTRs. Birth rates falling..

The third and fourth wave feminism is in direct response to men finally expressing our sexuality.
Of course they are using the same tactics (legal coercion and shaming language) as traditional patriarchy. Coz, feminism and patriarchy are two sides of the same coin...

The patriarchy gave feminism its power. And now that it has backfired, both sides are crying..

Men don't care. We are finally free from the invisible shackles of both.

mimiczx · 2022-02-01T10:32:14+00:00

You don't. (if you want to be petty "LOL K")

EricAllonde · 2022-02-01T11:46:26+00:00

Tell them you speak English, you don't speak Feminist, and point them to the definition of "patriarchy" in English language dictionaries:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/sdweg4/what\_is\_mras\_ideal\_order\_of\_the\_day/huj7138/

NeoNotNeo · 2022-02-01T13:06:25+00:00

Ask them who builds the houses, bridges, highways, cars. Who works with hazardous materials, waste removal. Who lives longer? Who is far more in danger of dying while at work. Start there.

doggosrbabies · 2022-02-01T15:35:45+00:00

say something like "oh so I was suppossed to control the decitions of people from thousands of years before I was born"

nyarlathotep999 · 2022-02-01T18:04:12+00:00

Tell them feminists created the concept by combining half understood Marxist propaganda with misandry.

Cheap_Tomatillo_9600 · 2022-02-01T18:49:15+00:00

Just make eye contact and walk away maybe throw a little laugh just kill with cold blood. Works everytime.

Cottagecore_Sapphic · 2022-02-01T22:27:17+00:00

Tell them they're correct and shut your mouth

poop_fart_penis · 2022-02-02T03:05:41+00:00

You are correct.

T0tallynotreptilian7 · 2022-02-02T06:43:30+00:00

Ask for arguments?

DavidByron2 · 2022-02-02T23:28:12+00:00

It's like saying slaves created slavery because slaves were part of society that created slavery.

It's just the frontman fallacy. ie pretending all men are part of the 1%.

if she's still pretending to be dumb remind her that FGM is done by women.

dirty_birdy_feet · 2022-02-01T05:20:33+00:00

Oh! I know! Shut your mouth and listen. Cause she’s right.

Title	How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?
Author	bloodfuel
Upvotes	220
Comments	176
Date	January 31, 2022 3:31 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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