Post on r/Feminism argues that being Male is a social and political concept, not a biological attribute, having nothing whatever to do with nature, essence, inevitability, or body as such. Mmmmm…..tell that to men of Ukraine

iainmf · 2022-02-27T03:18:15+00:00

Source of Quote - Toward a Feminist Theory of the State By Catharine A. MacKinnon

Rebel_Scum_This · 2022-02-26T15:44:37+00:00

Okay maybe I'm missing something, but what the hell does the screenshots in the post have to do with the post's title?

stunspot · 2022-02-26T14:31:37+00:00

If it's something an anthropologist can figure out by looking at your bones, it's probably a good indicator that it's not a social construct.

OctaviaPinfold · 2022-02-26T19:02:35+00:00

In that case female is also a social construct so there's no reason for feminism to exist, right? Just tell girls and women to grow up to be men, like they tell boys all the time instead of helping them with mental health issues or teaching them what to expect during and after puberty.

In what universe are these people living in?

erik-the-first · 2022-02-26T15:24:07+00:00

Isn't saying male is a social concept also saying that toxic masculinity doesn't exist? How can masculinity be toxic if masculinity has no inherent traits?

Or is this just another example of women changing the rules so they can shit on men?

psuedoscientist500 · 2022-02-26T16:29:00+00:00

If feminists want men to hold their tongues on what it means to be a woman than they can shut the fuck up about what it means to be a man.

Daman_1985 · 2022-02-26T19:57:44+00:00

"We want to be male... But only when it's beneficial for us"

Thats a double standard. And that resume all the actual problem.

NeoNotNeo · 2022-02-26T18:17:14+00:00

Being a male is a social concept.

Unless alimony comes up. Or the bill at dinner.

Mythandros · 2022-02-26T21:22:26+00:00

Feminists are incredibly hateful, stupid, deluded and evil.

Of course they'd try to diminish men, that's the sole purpose of feminism.

RetrogradeIntellekt · 2022-02-26T16:56:39+00:00

The post has absolutely nothing to do with the title. It's some story about a guy being creepy. The story does nothing to prove the point. The title and the story are just pushing two separate feminist agendas that have nothing to do with each other, but one there will care because they hate men.

TAPriceCTR · 2022-02-26T18:23:49+00:00

actually, men having to stay and fight while women get to leave is quite literally a social construct. so the feminists are grotesquely wrong but your "gotcha" is actually supporting them.

delocalelectron · 2022-02-26T15:49:26+00:00

It's because we are seen to tolerate such nonsense that we've made ourselves vulnerable to war. More grounded cultures look to the West and wonder wtf is going on. Inevitably, they fancy their chances that little bit more.....

jarmbur · 2022-02-26T23:27:55+00:00

If that's true then why don't they all just identify as male to get all the male privilege and end their oppression?

wdean8358 · 2022-02-26T16:11:48+00:00

Matt Walsh perfectly debated all of this on Dr. Phil.

anthologyxxviii · 2022-02-26T22:06:44+00:00

I don't even entertain those people's ideas anymore. They're nuts. I don't have a problem telling them it directly. I also don't think many people think like that either.

majestic_tapir · 2022-02-26T22:44:01+00:00

Interesting that this post was linked. A few weeks back I subbed to Feminism, thinking I'd give their subreddit a shot. I spend a good amount of time on MensRights, maybe i've got the wrong half of the stick.

I lurked for a couple of weeks, then commented on a couple of posts. Maybe 6-7 posts total, with the last one being on this thread. About a day after posting on this thread, I was then banned from Feminism for the following rule:

nformativity rule: all ideological considerations must show actual understanding of the relevant feminist concepts. Comments consisting of exploratory/follow-up questions, in good faith, are an exception.

I don't know if I was banned for my comment on this therad, as when I enquired about it I was simply told "Inactivity rule", then muted from contacting their mod team for 28 days.

I went back and read some of my comments, not a single one lower than 1 point, and a couple with a chunk of upvotes, and yet I was perma-banned seemingly for no reason. The thread that's been linked here is posted by an absolute poweruser, who appears to post approximately 250 different threads every single day across a variety of subreddits. Every single post on feminism has some feminist quote, that just about vaguely relates to the topic on hand.

Every response in Feminism is following the line. You can look through the comments in threads, and you won't see dissenting views anywhere, you don't see real debate, you see agreement and "men are pigs" everywhere.

It was an experiment that told me one very key thing. Feminism, at least on Reddit, is bullshit. You cannot have a movement that doesn't even allow debate. As much as people like to lump shit on MensRights, at least people can have dissenting views, and debates can happen, without people being banned.

Pathetic, really.

RandomHuman2354 · 2022-02-27T04:39:08+00:00

It's common for people to deny science to support their propaganda.

tshuldberg · 2022-02-26T19:48:30+00:00

The thread linked doesn’t argue anything that you’re claiming OP. It’s in the title I guess but there’s basically no further discussion or argument for that premise. In fact the post just described a dude being psychotic and creepy and the comments are mostly “wow I can’t believe how creepy!”

maskednil · 2022-02-26T22:18:21+00:00

This is stupid. Moct it, insult it, dismiss it, but don't open the door for discussion even slightly.

skcuf2 · 2022-02-26T22:19:32+00:00

This is the same as the flat earth theory. It's just a fundamental lack of understanding of how to think critically. Our school systems are completely fucked...

wanthonio31 · 2022-02-27T00:12:15+00:00

It's like you can spot the delusion just by reading the title. I can't believe it honestly. Also what does the imaged post do to even support that argument? It shows some guy acting entitled (which is gross), but what is the purpose of that?

YourPillsAintWorkin · 2022-02-27T01:20:40+00:00

This definition evaporates when someone shouts “women and children first!”

GodBirb · 2022-02-27T02:21:49+00:00

Weird conclusion to jump to based on one guy’s creepy actions I have to say

Zauxst · 2022-02-27T02:37:20+00:00

When they draft me, I'll identify as a female 100%.

mrmensplights · 2022-02-27T04:05:51+00:00

It can be said that there is a contradiction at the core of every successful dogma. In the case of feminists, it’s the total embrace of tabula rasa.. that culture is everything.. while simultaneously being obsessed with the immutable identity of people set at birth.

I guess the only way feminism can claim to be for everyone is if anyone can choose to be a woman.. because they fucking hate men.

squawker11 · 2022-02-27T10:22:12+00:00

Great- lets do away wth VAWA and all geneder based privilege.

EpicHajsownik · 2022-02-26T17:26:15+00:00

Im fine with treating gender as a social construct. Not because i think that gender is a social construct, but because I think that gender is only one factor of who people are. There are manly men, manly women, feminine men, feminine women. There are many factors that your gender influences, like how muscular you are, how emotional you are, height, and many other factors. How about looking at these factors instead of what gender the person is?

PFfounder · 2022-02-26T15:39:56+00:00

This is why I don't support the lgbt community or femminism.

michaelpaoli · 2022-02-26T18:30:58+00:00

being Male is a social and political concept, not a biological attribute

Uh huh ... good luck with that hypothesis. As if babies were born with a social and political concept - that must be what the doctors look at between the legs and in the biology and hormones, etc. So, what next, are they going to be likewise hypothesizing that sexual orientation isn't at all biological or innate, but a social and political concept ... or ... choice?

Uhm, yeah, ... some people just say stupid sh*t.

Now, that's not to say that being male (or female or whatever) isn't also a social and political concept, ... but that's not what some dodoheads are arguing.

Jemtex · 2022-02-26T18:48:20+00:00

Feminism is a poltical and factual construct that exists through tax rape of men by the state to give to womens studies and gender studies

taoofmojo · 2022-02-26T16:22:43+00:00

oh no one can critique Social Constructivism LOL! 5 minutes on that forum I would be banned for making logical statements. This is only going to lead feminism getting their right taken away, so let hope that keep on with obtuse behavior.

Flip3k · 2022-02-26T19:37:04+00:00

It’s very clear that academics (and pop-science pseuds) are attempting to argue that masculinity is a culture, and not the logical progression from a universal men’s experience.

What these people fail to realize, often because they themselves are not emotionally mature men, is that toxic masculinity (and femininity) stems from a lack of cultural guidance for men or women. So by deconstructing men’s “culture”, they are actually destroying men’s culture.

Huffers1010 · 2022-02-26T19:55:47+00:00

Well that's great, we can all decide to be something other than male and avoid our privilege...

What say you that it might not work like that in practice.

Reminds me of the situation that so often comes up in discussions on the nature of feminism.

"So what do you think feminism is?"

"It's about equality for men and women!"

"Then I'm a feminist."

"Oh, no, you're not, er, um..."

Vanriel · 2022-02-26T20:39:54+00:00

So by that same logic the same could be said about femaleness.

JRatMain16 · 2022-02-26T21:23:56+00:00

Which is completely false. Whoever posted that clearly didn’t pay attention in biology class.

RabbitFromBrazil · 2022-02-26T21:28:01+00:00

I hope all "men" feminists look at this.

AlE833 · 2022-02-27T11:27:32+00:00

According to these people, everything is a political construct. I guess genetics, evolution from primates, chromosomes have nothing to do with it

hendrixski · 2022-02-27T13:32:36+00:00

I like using feminist theories to explain men's rights issues.

In this theory, Male conscription would be a social construct of men as fighters and women as victims of war - NOT anything to do with biological attributes like strength or aggression etc. There are many women who are more qualified to fight a war than many of the men who are forced to fight against their will. But the social construct is outweighing any merit-based decisions around draft.

There.

Jemtex · 2022-02-26T18:46:00+00:00

feminism argues ....

It's semiotiics they can relable what they wish - as can anyone it does not make it a more valid system of better truth.

Male is genetic, a phennotype and poltical.

Anih1list · 2022-02-26T21:37:15+00:00

Ukraine isn’t feminist. NOW supported the NCFM in their lawsuit to abolish the all-male military draft, and it was conservatives who recently axed legislation to do just that. You literally just argued against ending male disposability so you could own the libs.