Why does the manosphere despise high n-count women while actively creating those women via promiscuity?

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-05-19T10:30:23+00:00

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NockerJoe · 2022-05-19T06:30:26+00:00

Yes, but they have a saying: Enjoy the Decline.

Their whole premise is that all of that will happen anyway, with or without their participation. In fact, their core premise is that people won't find them until they get burned and the whole reason they got burned is they weren't the plate spinner but whoever burned them went for someone who had more in line with that type of person. The entire hate comes from the unspoken implication that none of them wanted to be that type of person to begin with, hence why they need a guide to become them, and they don't respect the women involved for this and various other reasons.

This is also why the whole "Pick Up Coach to Trad Influencer" pipeline is so prevalent and ubiquitous. The type of awkward nerd who needs a pick up coach isn't exactly going to be the kind of guy naturally inclined to the lifestyle that those things require and they'd probably just rather not. If you can't make it as a plate spinning macho man with clout and bitches then the alternative is a hardcore traditionalist and people don't seem to understand why the two are related as much as they are.

The only actual solution, from this perspective, is for women to not go for this type of guy at all to begin with. Obviously a lot of them aren't, but there isn't really another archetype of dude who's doing super well in a super visible way. Dudes who aren't getting casual sex and have 0 bitches will gravitate to whatever will speak in terms they understand and have visible results and most of the other discourse about the kind of person they start at is mostly centered around wishing they wouldn't change, but never asking if they're actually happy with who they were in the beginning or what it is they aren't getting that these groups are advertising.

Gigamon2014 · 2022-05-19T07:35:06+00:00

My partner count is in the hundreds. Maybe 300+. My girlfriend has been with 4 or 5. I met her when I was 27 and she was 20/21. Its never been a hugely difficult thing to find women who aren't promiscuous, especially now, I just tailor my approach...I've never been one to demand sex on first encounters and I tend to enjoy numerous dates with prospective partners these days regardless. I think a lot of women and men who can't do any better like to perpetuate this idea that if you're a promiscuous man you somehow have to date a promiscuous woman. It's nonsense really and testament to people's low self esteem and lack of options. I racked up a lot of my numbers in the kink/poly/swinging scene where women were the minority and often skewed older. Amusingly enough when I was in that scene and dealing with the super promiscuous women therein, many of them were insufferable and entitled and believed that men were there to perform at their beck and call. It put me off of "high n count" women permanently. Especially considering the only ones who had any sense of perspective were often the 40+ divorcees or those already married. There are still plenty of women out there who don't have super high numbers and are perfectly willing to date highly promiscuous men because, most of the time, those same men are good looking, charming and successful.

I'm not a redpiller, but I find the anti redpill types on here extraordinarily pathetic. I don't consider promiscuous women as an option for myself when it comes to long term dating, neither do many other dudes. I think what bugs the most about criticism of this stance is the seeming lack of any standard for a woman. That and an increasing sense of impatience and entitlement from men no matter their "pill". Most men know they don't want a girl whose been around the block (fetishists, swingers and cucks I exclude for obvious reasons) but they're too darned lowly, mediocre and lacking that they have to pretend to like it because, quite frankly, they can't do any better.

2022-05-19T06:58:08+00:00

The same way a person can believe that pollution is a serious problem and then proceed to toss their plastic bottle right out the car window

PlainTundra · 2022-05-19T08:38:15+00:00

Those promiscuous women are created themselves, nobody forces them to be so. Don't blame men.

melody_of_ · 2022-05-19T09:05:03+00:00

Because they realize men wont change. These men if they don't follow the rp can at most aspire to be chosen by a women as a retirement plan.

What's the alternative. Shame simps? Live chasitly? Honestly that wouldnt change anything. Women aren't going to notice their absence either way. They are too busy enjoying their lives and the fruits of the dating market. The dating market is determined by what women want not men. They are trying to adapt to this reality bc their is no way to address the problem. After all it's only a problem for them right? Genniuine question. So why do you care?

Quealpedoestoy · 2022-05-19T09:56:08+00:00

IMO, its making the best of a bad situation.

With the current moral values most women have, you know finding someone who hasnt slept with quite a few men is rare, so, why not enjoy the "easy" sex?

If you cant get what you want, why not enjoy whats avaible?

TheEternalGhost · 2022-05-19T06:38:03+00:00

Why does the manosphere despise high n-count women

It's time to take that broken record off the player. RP does not despise high n-count women. That's something that BP feminists are constantly saying here and it's ignorant. High n-count women are great for casual sex and every RP source I've ever seen tells men to go ahead and have some fun with them if that's what they want to do.

Doesn't red pill understand that promoting casual sex is actually working against them in the long term?

RP promotes men understanding female nature, and teaches outcome-oriented men ways to achieve the outcome they desire. If a woman is going to choose to be promiscuous until she hits the wall then it's not up to men to save her, that's her choice. RP doesn't despise her for her choices, it simply teaches men to see her as a good sex option but a bad relationship option.

How does that solve anything?

It's not up to men to solve problems for women. If you all don't want the consequences that come with promiscuity then make different choices. Men will still be there when you all smarten up.

Friedidli · 2022-05-19T06:43:12+00:00

Because this is the world we came into.

We can't change anything.

And bring the beta male being settled for sucks.

The only thing you can do is try and equalise the sexual difference if you can.by becoming the guy who thes women want to fuck.

At least then when you do decide to settle the woman will be with you as the first choice rather than a final option.

Or if marriage is not an option fucking without settling is.

CptKillsteal · 2022-05-19T08:08:40+00:00

It's a paradox and I totally agree I'm part of the problem.
This only works if it's only a select group of top % males who are participating in this and that's what you see.
I read that only 40% of men live on in the next generation whereas the percentage of women is much higher. It all makes total sense and concludes that if you are a man below a certain % of attractiveness. All you are is a worker in the colony. I think it's also important to not let these men know that this is the truth and keep their mind filled with false hope.

In short: Many women go for few men when it comes to sexuality.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-05-19T08:51:25+00:00

Red pill logic is that there are so few women who are low n count to begin with that it makes no sense to not "spin plates" and " enjoy the decline" as they say.

FineDevelopment00 · 2022-05-19T06:51:31+00:00

Because they firmly believe in "Rules for thee, not for me."

LongLive-Employment · 2022-05-19T06:19:29+00:00

I think the official Red pill view is that all women are like that so you should just spin plates but if you decide you want to settle down because you found a unicorn - make sure she doesn’t have a high n count .

Cupcakelover1985 · 2022-05-19T07:25:15+00:00

Red pill and manosphere guys aren’t moral men concerned about fixing the situation. They complain about stuff but have a “if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em attitude” about things. They’re pretty open and upfront about it.

peacheeblush · 2022-05-19T07:23:07+00:00

Don’t try to understand stupid. There are a lot of contradictions in “dating” related societies. People created only more problems and it’s harder day by day to find sane people to date.

GVM3SnakeBeater · 2022-05-19T10:17:51+00:00

Why does the manosphere despise high n-count women while actively creating those women via promiscuity?

You are confusing MGTOWs and people who would like a traditional relationship with a low numbers woman.

The ones who care about the number are seeking to ENTER into a long term relationship with women, to start a family with a person who will not have an extensive baggage that comes from messy young that comes so easy in younger age.

MGTOWs as a rule had their fill with long term monogamy and are seeking to LEAVE the concept of long term relationship behind them. They see it as a mistake that already cost them a lot (most of them are divorced) and would now only like fun casual sexual relationship with attractive women because now they don't care. Sex is almost transactional in nature and goes well with modern western dating that is the same. Dating for dinning, sugar daddy-ing etc. comes naturally to them now that the notion of "romance" is squashed in them.

roblox_porn_addict · 2022-05-19T06:32:24+00:00

Because redpill is not reality, it is almost purely a low-status male power fantasy, which turns into a revenge theory when it inevitably doesn't come true. Their idea of an "alpha male" seems like it comes from comic books and porn.

Typical story: Some stacy friend-zoned the RP in high school, so now he's going to "get revenge" because he thinks some girl is going to get sooo addicted to his mediocre dick that he can treat her like shit. Plus he has Sigmund Freud levels of madonna/whore syndrome too. Well surprisingly this never works out.

(note that a lot or guys drop out of the cult as soon as they get a solid girlfriend, so the cult is almost all incels and players.)

I've always been in the sex-posi crowd, and I've met some real womanizers, but I've never met a redpill type who was successful.

Shredddz · 2022-05-19T09:10:59+00:00

the elephant in the room is that women made themselves promiscuous by choice, men have nothing to do with their decision to be hoes. I dont make you promiscuous, you already were promiscuous so I cant take you seriously, but can use you because there is nothing left to save in you.

Its a response to how women conduct themselves in modern dating. these women chose to be hoes, so men can not change that, can not commit to them because it would be suicide and cant ignore them because they dont have the luxury to ignore that many women, so the only conclusion is to just play the game these women wanted to play and use them for sex or not play at all, because either way you loose.

women caused this and if they dont want to get used for sex, they need to be traditional again. you cant have it both ways, either use and get used or dont and have cooperation.

KirthWGersen · 2022-05-19T06:49:11+00:00

It is because they are generally two different sets of people: those who indulge in the fantasy of using their knowledge to tie a woman into a life-long relationship (using red pill techniques for blue pill aims); and those who just want to enjoy relationships with women, have sex and live life their way.

The former are living a contradiction that will never work out in the terms they want; the latter are not conservative types and don't value the same things.

Fooking-Degenerate · 2022-05-19T07:00:02+00:00

just cause they don't want to marry them = HATING them

ok

diabolicalfarter · 2022-05-19T07:59:42+00:00

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abaxeron · 2022-05-19T09:20:18+00:00

Women equated marriage to slavery, childbirth to torture, and chastity to cattle branding about a century before the red pill was even a thing.

If enough men in a given community are engaging in this practice, there is literally no way the women in that community can maintain low n-counts.

But if 99% of men start saving themselves for marriage, women can still ride the CC with the remaining 1%. Or with outsiders.

Fooking-Degenerate · 2022-05-19T06:51:10+00:00

The hypocrisy of redpillers being like "we don't hate them, we just don't want a relationship with them".

Oh so you just despise them? That's fine.

Real reasons: deep down they think sex is yucky and make a woman bad, somehow. Which, if anything, shows they actually don't have a lot of sex.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking that you're having a relationship with someone that you're not being comfortable with, but I do believe not being comfortable with that says a lot about how you perceive sex and human relationships.

But that's okay, you do you. Just, don't pretend to be an expert in sex and relationships when you're clearly still at the "sex is yucky" phase of your life.

humdf · 2022-05-19T06:10:28+00:00

One hoe can serve this for 100s of men but 100s of hoes can't replace a trusted housewife.

2022-05-19T06:57:30+00:00

It's a shit test. They're weeding out the "good ones".

I think the goal of most red pillers is to get a wife with the lowest libido possible. That way he can be unsatisfied and keep his bitter world view unquestioned.

notenoughwoodmalord · 2022-05-19T09:14:11+00:00

Males think hypocrisy does not apply to them

TheEternalGhost · 2022-05-19T06:27:27+00:00

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Sad_Investigator1769 · 2022-05-19T06:37:20+00:00

They want to have casual sex with sluts and marry virgins.

Why? Not sure. Some insecurity thing boys have with women’s sexuality.

buruburumiluy · 2022-05-19T06:57:45+00:00

Because they hate women and probably aren't even hetero

cowfishAreReal · 2022-05-19T06:51:08+00:00

Because they want to blame other people for their problems, and they're sexist

peanutbutterjams · 2022-05-19T07:17:54+00:00

None of that makes sense, no. It's an irrational reaction to the harm feminism has caused them.

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Title	Why does the manosphere despise high n-count women while actively creating those women via promiscuity?
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Date	May 19, 2022 6:08 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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