Male privilege vs female privilege. Am I leaving anything out?

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-09-24T08:49:12+00:00

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cowfishAreReal · 2022-09-24T06:54:49+00:00

This reeks of incel. Oh yes prostitution is such an advantage. Oh yes women can have better orgasms and casual sex more easily (completely ignores they most likely will not have an orgasm on said casual sex). More on completely ignoring comes... women do most of the unpaid work worldwide, women are taken less seriously on the workplace, women are more likely to live in poverty...

PlatypusPolka · 2022-09-24T04:05:48+00:00

I stopped taking this post seriously when you listed OnlyFans and prostitution as privileges.

Lost-Zebra6453 · 2022-09-24T03:47:31+00:00

Careful your bias is showing

greedyleopard42 · 2022-09-24T06:45:51+00:00

women trying to use a DISADVANTAGE to their advantage is not a privilege. objectification is not a good thing. women getting into clubs is entirely for men’s benefit at its root. they let girls in because men want to fuck them.

male circumcision isn’t right but it’s nowhere near as damaging as fgm.

it’s not necessarily true that women automatically get to be choosier. hot men have better options than ugly women. attractiveness matters more for this one.

there isn’t real evidence women have an advantage in custody court. women typically get custody because a lot of men don’t even try to get it. when men do try they get custody a high percentage of the time.

in one study over 90% of homeless women had been raped. so maybe that’s why there are more services for homeless women.

sure maybe in commercials things are like that. but have you ever considered how women are portrayed in movies? women are typically boxed in in very few archetypical roles. they often don’t get the complexity and personality range male characters have. this has gotten a BIT better in recent years but it’s still a big thing. oh and older women getting cast in big roles? pretty rare too. it’s always the older guy with the much younger girl

Steakman1 · 2022-09-24T03:53:12+00:00

I think most dudes view not being sexualized and hit on as a bad thing considering men are horny af. Men will absolutely be judge for sexual choices if it’s with an unattractive woman.

But I would add to the male privilege list that it’s easier to climb up the corporate ladder for your work ethic

GamerZ44 · 2022-09-24T04:09:45+00:00

tl;dr Almost all of these are just general lol and don't seem like good justifications for aspects of male/female privilege. It's not productive to compare men and women like this to try and play in a pity contest about who has more problems. It's the same reason I cringe any time someone says I have male privilege or whatever. It goes both ways. Stop doing this shit lmao, it's so dumb.

Some men are sexualized, others aren't. Most of the time it's just ignored because it's not as socially unacceptable as catcalling. Men can also judged for clothing if they wear skirts or something slightly feminine, paint their nails, wear makeup or eyeliner, lipstick, etc. Sexual choices, including pegging, can also be judged as being not manly by both men and women, and incorrectly may assume that man as gay or bi.

Finally, the only reason we think it's "less likely to be raped/sexually harassed" despite multiple accounts on every askreddit thread on the topic giving stories about mens' experiences being raped/sexually harassed, besides the contrived general idea that men are stronger than women both physically and emotionally, is because the studies so far that show this are outdated and seem to bias towards women quite a bit in the populations for survey/research.

As for your list of women's privileges, men also have the option of creating very successful monetization options for selling their body or image online, and I really wouldn't consider this line of work to be "freedom from the 40 hr work week" across the board as many sex workers would rather be doing something else for money, but choose the work they're in because it pays a lot better. Chivalry is hit and miss nowadays since women by and large don't need men to stand up for them, while some still feel it's right for men to do. Furthermore, saying that women are the choosers really ignores the fact that men, too, rightfully have standards. Women and men can both equally get lonely, so no one has an advantage over the other here. This claim also implies that men don't have or want standards and will settle for whoever will go for them, which is a little annoying to have to deal with as a man.

The advantage in divorce court/custody privilege, while observable, is very context dependent and it's not really a privilege so much as it is an interpretation of the facts. You can either look at the facts of case judgements from the perspective of "the women in these cases wronged the man and the man didn't get what he deserved", or not. It really is quite case by case, considering that it seems more common for men to leave a relationship with kids, for example, than it is for women to.

Better sexual organs? Pass, a penis is so much fucking cooler are you kidding me? Let's also be careful about using words like "unmutilated" lol, most men don't have a choice in that which is fucked up but it doesn't help to use loaded language that could body shame them. Which, by the way, isn't a privilege for women lmao.

There are far more services for homeless women. Hardly any homeless are women most are men

Does not compute. This needs a cited source, because to my understanding, homeless shelters help homeless people find resources to not be homeless. I don't think it matters what gender you are, and if there was more of a demand for finding homeless men shelter, then there would be more men's homeless shelters.

Affirmative action and women exclusive scholarships are a point of unfairness we're gonna have to deal with for a while, until society has progressed to the point where women and men are seen as equals in society.

How is "Fewer male only groups" a privilege for women? They don't win anything by limiting male-only interactions. Furthermore, most sports teams are male-exclusive anyway. Sounds more like male privilege, honestly.

Women are never portrayed as stupid and selfish

Literally not true lol.

Men wanting a three way with another girls is sexism

Also literally not true.

a woman’s allegations are all it takes to ruin a man’s life

Yes, this sucks, but have you kept up with Heard v Depp? Nobody thought for a second Depp was guilty of defamation, and almost all public attention was geared towards shitting on Amber Turd with her bullshit ass case. Granted, this was a high profile case and such parasocial relationships don't apply in some local issue where no one knows who did anything. But the same can be said for a woman, where all I have to do is say that some woman cheated on me and tried to baby trap me with another man's kid and suddenly she gets shifty eyes from people who don't know the real story.

BigOleGreenTrees · 2022-09-24T04:15:47+00:00

Ummm what about how only this century in some countries women got human rights like voting and owning property?? There's still countries today where women are property, and we're just a handmaid's tale away from becoming slaves again.

imissze90s · 2022-09-24T05:11:57+00:00

Women being able to flee from Russia and Ukraine while most men cannot.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2022-09-24T04:13:27+00:00

Only fans and prostitution are privileges! What the hell are you smoking. I'm sure you think slavery is a privilege too because you get free lodging 🙄 Also most TV shows are written and produced by men. I could literally write an essay on the amount of sexist tropes are in ALL MEDIA - TV, video games, movies. How much women are treat as sex objects and prizes to be won, how the viewer is assumed male (male gaze). How everything is catered towards MALE SEXUALITY, to the point no one even knows what gets women off. There is so much ignorance in your post that I don't know where to start. So I'll just say "privilege is invisible to those who have it".

2022-09-24T04:51:13+00:00

I'm not a criminal, homeless, divorcee, or trying to sell nudes. Benefits don't apply but the disadvantages do. So basically the average guy has more privilege than I? Agreed.

disgruntledneighbors · 2022-09-24T05:07:06+00:00

Dumbest shit I’ve ever read. First of all - some men are sexualized and hit on, and are judged for clothing and men definitely occasionally deal with pregnancy. However - every “privilege” you listed for women has another side that is very negative. Monetization of a woman’s sexuality leads to all kinds of negative consequences- women who engage in these “privileges” are shamed and devalued and subject to violence and abuse as well as losing jobs, social standing, etc, not exactly the easy freedom from work you imagine - it’s also hard work to do all these things. “Chivalry” is countered by men expecting something in return a majority of the time. Being saddled with the care and financial burden of raising children because society doesn’t deem men capable isn’t the win you think it is. Easy to get laid and then judged for it or feeling used by assholes. Better sexual organs for pleasure?? Look at the stats on orgasm dude. The strongest proponents I’ve ever met for circumcision are men who are afraid their sons dicks will be laughed at. Men don’t have the disadvantages that the scholarships were created to counter. Women are the targets of financial abuse far more Than men - and since they end up caring for kids (see your “privilege point” need it more. Womens groups were created because they were excluded from groups. I’ll give you that women get softer sentencing but men are on the whole far more violent than women. Women are raped and assaulted on a scale that (generously) I think would make your head spin, they are very rarely prosecuted and almost Never convicted.

You are an idiot.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-09-24T04:25:37+00:00

Being less likely to be raped

If you count being forced to penetrate as rape, the stats are actually about even.

hostility_kitty · 2022-09-24T04:51:46+00:00

The average OnlyFans creator makes $150/month. Only few women can actually make a living off of selling their content. There’s also a lot of negative drawbacks and it’s not just like picking money off the ground. Just go online and see how ridiculously oversaturated the market is. I wouldn’t even be able to get my foot in the door.

statsfodder · 2022-09-24T06:59:01+00:00

There are so many disingenuous and bad faith replies in here ... all from women, salty about having to face some facts .. hilarious, thanks for the giggle OP, I needed a "pick me up" today :)

vindictaisracist123 · 2022-09-24T08:33:48+00:00

Your list of "privileges" for women are so fking stupid and untrue.

Go get a brain scan and check for brain damage please.

Qhoul424 · 2022-09-24T04:33:35+00:00

My man wrote a fuckin thesis for my privilege, I feel like royalty.

Ok-Blacksmith-9418 · 2022-09-24T07:53:09+00:00

Women aren’t seen as humans by men, and society is built for men. Society doesn’t see women as humans. Next question

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MotleyCrew1989 · 2022-09-24T05:01:17+00:00

Sinse when its a privilege not being hit on by the oposite sex, and men get judged by their choice of clothes, all my life women told me I than I should dress a certain way because it would make me look better (preety ironic coming from the gender you are not suposed to tell how they should dress).

redbluepie · 2022-09-24T05:09:58+00:00

Better sexual organs for pleasure. A vagina’s sensitivity provides way better feeling than even an unmutilahed penis.

What? You have no way of knowing this.

Easier to get laid and being able to be the chooser while guys fight over you.

Easier, maybe for some but quality over quantity surely is a significant factor.

The fact female gender mutilation is considered a crime however male circumcision isn’t.

Doesnt mean boys shouldn't have the right to choose but probably not criminalised because of the religious aspect and argued health benefits. Cutting off the clitoris, or sewing a girl shut is for one reason only really.

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2022-09-24T05:29:50+00:00

Not being sexualized and hit on.

I would argue that this shouldn't be considered a privilege as its such a mixed bag.

Tons of would appreciate what it feels like to be sexualized and like wise attractive.

While I have a number of tall friends who have developep insecurity due to how often they get sexualized.

More most men view not being hit on by women as a negative not a positive so that definitely shouldn't be considered privileged.

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-09-24T06:43:28+00:00

Hypoagency.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-09-24T07:40:57+00:00

Being physically stronger allows us to take manual jobs. I'd say this is a much bigger advantage than being able to do sex work.

One is tiring, one destroys your mental health.

AreOut · 2022-09-24T07:46:56+00:00

"Not being sexualized and hit on."

umm attractive men are sexualized and hit on especially if there are many girls around who giggle and comment him

"Not being judged for clothing or sexual choices."

oh we are judged for both, just in a different way

henryXsami99 · 2022-09-24T08:21:35+00:00

They both have advantage and disadvantages in their own way, so how about stop compering and try compromising

pro-frog · 2022-09-24T09:24:41+00:00

Missing some major aspects of male privilege.

Perception - the presumption that men are competent in their jobs, that they are meant to make decisions and lead. But when it's convenient, men can also be incompetent - useless at doing chores, keeping track of commitments, and incapable of controlling their urges. Incompetence in these areas is excused as "man behavior" and has no impact on an implicit role as head of household, if they choose to fill it.
Medical privilege - Men - abled, cisgender, white men specifically - are the standard doctors are taught on. Disorders (like ADHD) and medical crises (like a heart attack) are understood primarily by how they affect white, abled, cis men. This leads to worse outcomes for women receiving medical care, especially when it mixes with the presumption that women are weak and cannot handle pain. Early signs of serious disorders are ignored because a doctor assumes a woman's pain or concern is being exaggerated.
Privilege in leadership - The number of women in Congress is at an all-time high - a whopping 27%. That translates to less representation for issues that affect women, and serves to reinforce the narrative that men are better-suited to positions of power than women are.
And while we're here, sexism in the workplace - talking STEM fields, leadership roles, construction & factory work - any field that's overwhelmingly male can be highly inhospitable to women. There isn't an easy solution to this because there is going to be some natural variation in the gender makeup of different fields, but the fact remains that a lot of the fields that are higher-paying are also the ones that are frequently a boys' club.
Lower standard for appearance - You touched on this in your post but it bears specificity. A man can be perceived as professional and acceptable for the workplace with much less effort than a woman can. It is less expensive and takes less time to be an appropriately-dressed man than it does to be an appropriately-dressed woman in a business or social environment.
Bodily autonomy - Especially in states where abortion is no longer legal. And I don't just mean pregnancy - essential medications that have the potential side effect of abortion are now limited. If your doctor isn't willing to stake their license on the reasonable certainty that you won't use this medication to get an abortion, you're not getting it. Women are also restricted from services like a hysterectomy at the whim of their medical providers. Good luck finding a doctor to whip out your uterus if you haven't had kids and you're under 30.

To address a couple of your points about female privilege:

Women's shelters are often shelters for women with kids. They get a lot more funding because they help keep kids off the street. Homeless men typically do not have children, and women without kids frequently have similar difficulties finding shelter as men. I will say single men with kids can definitely get fucked over in this system, but they're a lot rarer.
Women are never portrayed in media as stupid and selfish - This is flat untrue, but even if we take the hyperbole out of it, there is a rich history of bitchy women in television. Nickelodeon and Disney Channel Originals all had their mean girls with little depth. Everyone can recognize the bitchy blonde cheerleader trope. You really can't pull any examples of stupid, selfish women in media? I do agree the bumbling man is definitely a trope, but even that is usually a net positive for men. The bumbling man is always a main character - his intentions are good. We're supposed to empathize with him. It ends up reinforcing the narrative that men are just less capable of chores, housework, and caring for their wives' emotional wellbeing. We're supposed to accept it, and him, for how he is. This trope can absolutely harm men who do want to pull their weight and get condescended to as "silly men," but there are many more men who have a vested interested in being seen as incapable of contributing equally to household management.
Better sexual organs for pleasure - Absolutely true, what's up, but I'd say this one is pretty well balanced by the widespread misunderstanding of female pleasure. Our definitions and perceptions of sex are absolutely centered around male pleasure. The first understanding of sex that most people learn is that sex is when you stick a penis into a vagina until he comes - she's not guaranteed to get much of anything out of it. Hell, some people don't even think a woman is capable of orgasm, though they're definitely fringe cases. Never mind the crazy misconceptions about "loose vaginas" or a vagina "molding" to a specific penis, or the cultural restrictions around female masturbation as opposed to male masturbation.

For the rest of all your points a lot of it just comes down to the harmful ways that gender roles affect men and women. Women are seen as weak - that gets them chivalrous treatment and lower prison sentences, but it also gets them worse medical treatment and keeps them out of higher-paying fields. Women are more frequently seen as inherently sexually attractive - that opens up financial opportunities, but also puts them at higher risk of assault, sexualization, and generally poor treatment.

In a lot of ways it's becoming more and more functional to pull away from the pissing contest between genders to try and figure who faces more oppression, and just focus on how individual issues affect men and women differently. Regardless of who is "more oppressed," these issues are real and have damaging impacts on both genders.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-09-24T14:34:22+00:00

Freedom from the 40 hour work week.

me, a privileged female, having just finished one of many 40 hour work weeks

Better sexual organs for pleasure. A vagina’s sensitivity provides way better feeling than even an unmutilahed penis.

Well now you’re just making shit up

Men have a higher rate of being raped in prison than women

And who are they raped by?

Gee, I wonder what OP’s bias is. It’s hard to tell because he put so much thought and weight into each side.

Title	Male privilege vs female privilege. Am I leaving anything out?
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Date	September 24, 2022 3:44 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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