Men need women less than they admit to, Women need men more than they admit to

Super-Peoplez-S0Lt · 2022-10-30T21:16:18+00:00

When it comes to relationships, rather they be platonic or romantic, it's best to have someone want you than need you.

Equal_Ad_3805 · 2022-10-30T20:21:51+00:00

Why not have the title:

“Men try less than they make it seem, and women try harder than men think they do”?

Seems more applicable, yes?

Seems like a lot of this post is missing the mark on some fundamental parts of dating. It feels one-dimensional. Have you consider the “why” of these things more deeply? Have you tried to change starting viewpoints? It’s only after you look at things from more angles than this one that you start to find the semblance of an answer to questions like these. And often there aren’t really any answers, just more questions or potential solutions. I’d suggest that you reserve judgment and either think on this more or do some research. It’s a lot less simple than you seem to think based on this post.

JumboJetz · 2022-10-30T20:19:41+00:00

The women of PPD make a sport of how much they don’t need men. Unless they are married in which case they make a sport of saying how every man who isn’t their own husband is useless. With the extremist positions women take here - I don’t think a reasonable conversation is possible. Maybe someone will surprise me.

The men of PPD do acknowledge how important women are for men. Particularly in regards to sex. But almost none will say they’d be willing to pay for sex so clearly it’s more than the sex part. On the other hand fewer men at the demographics PPD has are in a relationship than women so even if they want women, the fact many men on here have lived months or years with no partner suggests they don’t need women. I think some men have a craving for women until they get one and then they come back to reality a bit.

prizefighterstudent · 2022-10-31T18:53:11+00:00

Women do not need men in the overt sense that they have since the beginning of time ie. here's a man in front of me, I am cold and alone, I need a provider. In the West, despite its flaws, we have developed a paradise of physical resources where women no longer need this sort of support like they used to. They can feed, clothe, and shelter themselves working from almost any cushy desk job.

However, much like motherhood is the backbone of any society, men provide the backbone of society through all the upkeep, maintenance, development, and construction of the modern world. You'd be hard-pressed to find a female construction worker actually performing physical labor, a female tradesman tweaking your pipes, a female mechanic, or your DoorDasher in a set of Lulu tights.

The key difference is that women's role in motherhood is well acknowledged and practically worshipped in most societies, while this crucial work of men is not. Women, like men, need men from the time they wake until they go to sleep -- they simply don't realize it.

Fun_Push7168 · 2022-10-31T03:17:13+00:00

Maybe it is accurate to say guys want women more than they need them, and women need men more than they want them.

Pretty much sage right there.

2022-10-31T15:35:57+00:00

>Most single guys I know that are struggling with dating put very little effort, not just on themselves, but also on even a basic profile in a dating app

thank you for admitting this

we get told our standards are sooooo high when men aren't putting any effort in.

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-10-30T19:48:18+00:00

they love to give virtual girls money

Those men are an exception. The majority of both men, and women, need relationships. As we’re a social species.

Godspeed and good luck!

NockerJoe · 2022-10-30T20:14:29+00:00

I think the general mood from a lot of men is that high effort in general is neither appealing or productive. A "good" dating profile under the algorithm is basically a mini influencer account where you need to constantly be uploading new pictures and also linking at least one other social media platform or else you'll get slide so far down the stack you'll barely even be visible at all, to say nothing of paying for premium. Likewise the amount you gain for doing this statistically isn't that great.

Filling out dating app profiles probably appeals more to the average woman compared to man because the most female heavy platforms generally are the ones those profiles are linking to and also encourage you to take more pictures and work captions and bios as a matter of course. Because dating app UI's and ads are geared to being as comfortable for women to use as possible because those are the users that men pay to interact with and where the scarcity is.

At no point does any of the effort you describe even go to an actual woman. It doesn't measure their willingness to do anything else but respond to what is essentially a social media platform where your engagement is similar to being reasonably active on Instagram or an equivlent app.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-10-31T03:39:31+00:00

You missed the point on women. It was never that women did not want men, it was whether in a monogamous context, middle and lower tier women really want their male equivalent, i.e. the guy they can actually land. Of course, many either do or at least settle with these guys for various reasons. But there are worrying trend.

When you think about it, we are animals and mammals. If you look at the most closely related species to us, what percentage of men are left out of the mating game? So if it does turn out that if we make the mating market much like the animal mating market, i.e. purely about desire, then a high percentage of men may just naturally be deemed undesirable.

Financial_Leave4411 · 2022-10-30T20:37:42+00:00

Seems like women need men less than men need women since women can provide for themselves financially but men struggle to get laid as they want a connection not to just to pay a prostitute.

Lord_Thanos · 2022-10-31T02:49:31+00:00

Men need women far far more than women need men. Far far far more. 99% of men will kill themselves over not getting their dick wet. You don’t even want to know what they would to do to get some girl if they knew they would be able to get away with it.

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Egibson89 · 2022-10-31T06:13:44+00:00

Men live longer when married

Married Women die much quicker than unmarried.

Whatever benefit you think men provide doesn’t matter over life. Simple facts

tired_hillbilly · 2022-10-31T17:45:12+00:00

also on even a basic profile in a dating app

I didn't read the rest of your post because this struck me as so unbelievably stupid. Most people swipe based on your pics, especially your first, before reading your profile.

Second, OLD is a sausage fest, Tinder is 80% men. You don't just need a decent profile, you need a stellar profile with professional pics of you in interesting contexts if you want to compete.

Third, wtf are you talking about? Women put no effort in their OLD profiles. A couple selfies, maybe with a simple filter is all they put. Most answer almost no prompts, and those that do just say vague shit like "I love love"; great, real informative.

OwOFemboyUwU · 2022-11-01T15:40:31+00:00

Men very much admit to needing women and women don’t really need men

Title	Men need women less than they admit to, Women need men more than they admit to
Author	urukshai3
Upvotes	47
Comments	70
Date	October 30, 2022 7:20 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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