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Man sues restaurant for charging "man tax".

andejoh

October 5, 2017
2463 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Man sues restaurant for charging "man tax".
Author

andejoh

Upvotes 2463
Comments 227
Date October 5, 2017 2:33 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/74d4qr/man_sues_restaurant_for_charging_man_tax/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/man-sues-restaurant-for-charging-man-tax.1175110
https://theredarchive.com/post/1175110
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Comments

[–]cld8 573 points574 points575 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

California is one state that actually has a clear law against this, that has been tested in court.

Angelucci v. Century Supper Club is the reference if anyone is interested.

[–]ThirdTurnip 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I hope you're right but ever since we started seeing reports of this man tax practice, I've had a niggling suspicion that it might be bait for a case like this.

Courts are not always reasonable or just. I wouldn't bet on a positive outcome.

[–]cld8 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Given the history of the law in California, I would say the odds of a positive outcome are pretty high.

That is definitely not true in other states.

[–]ThirdTurnip 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope you're right, but I've seen courts up close and personal.

A woman explicitly threatened me in writing for refusing to date her and when I refused again, she ran me out of my job.

The court wouldn't recognise either the initial threat or her running me out of my job as sexual harassment. Just harassment, which isn't illegal.

[–]Vanriel 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is so fucking stupid, pardon my language. I hope thins are okay for you now

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. That's a kind sentiment.

I have shelter and food and stopped caring long ago about all of the things I lost and can no longer have because of this and the continuing harassment, false complaints and privacy breaches.

[–]Badgerz92 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

California is where National Coalition For Men is based, and Angelucci in the above comment is Marc Angelucci, VP of NCFM. NCFM has won cases in California before for cases like public DV shelters only accepting female victims. Unfortunately NCFM doesn't have enough funding to win these cases in other states but they have good success in California.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points57 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Need more context. I don't get it.

[–]Tigroux 187 points188 points189 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The article talks about a man suing a bar in California for discrimination. It happens that California have clear rule against that and the case "Angelucci v. Century Supper Club" is the reference in justice court.

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[–]SarahC 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You have to be in the right frame of mind, and understand where the chicken would appear.

[–]droden 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

/r/evenwithcontext

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/nocontext

[–]warpspeedSCP 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it fits, seeing as the context is deleted now.

[–]vlees 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.lambdalegal.org/in-court/cases/angelucci-v-century-supper-club

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What don't you get? Google that case and read about it.

[–][deleted] 417 points418 points419 points 8 years ago (114 children) | Copy Link

First off ladies night is in fact illegal in California, and secondly himn not allowed in and charged a different price likely has some legal legs here.

[–]regularfreakinguser 125 points126 points127 points 8 years ago (108 children) | Copy Link

I thought ladies night, was kind of a myth until someone told me about. Its a odd concept for someone from California. It was even crazier to hear, sometimes they could drink for free.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points62 points 8 years ago (93 children) | Copy Link

It use to be a thing sometime ago but they passed a law making it illegal.

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 85 points86 points87 points 8 years ago (92 children) | Copy Link

Shits not illegal in Vegas men are 2nd class here

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/13/ladies-night-remains-legal/

[–]Texas_Rangers 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

BSically the whole world is men paying for sex one way or another. Either through providing security for long term, consistent sex (marriage), and through Benjies for short term sex

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

And men need to learn to stop paying for it.

[+]Texas_Rangers -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once you learn to stop paying for food then we’ll stop paying for sex.

[+]AloysiusC -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

How exactly do you expect that to happen? It's like telling race car drivers to go slower because it's less risky.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Over time and over many generations. It ain't happening over night.

[–]abusmakk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So I should sacrifice sex, so that someone 100 years from now can have sex without paying for it one way or another?

How long would it take for humanity to get extinct if we started doing this?

[–]AloysiusC -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I'll ask again: how exactly do you expect this to happen? "Over time" isn't an answer.

[–]aquietmidnightaffair 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is why sometimes the cheaper way is better (hiring an "escort"). Better in countries where that is legal and regulated.

[–]AloysiusC 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least there's a certain honesty to that.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Long term consistent sex in a marriage?

Yeeeeaaaaah. About that...

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Or the men are willingly buying drinks for women in the hopes of procreation

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

i drive by a sign every day that says women join free

[–]RolfIsSonOfShepnard 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i drive by a sign every day that says women join free

join what for free? if it's a bar why would you fucking pay to go into a bar in the first place.

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

for a gym, but thats just one example. others include only female cocktail waitresses, girls get free cover, or free drinks till midnight.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men tend to earn more money, and women tend to love to spend it much more.

Why it's so important to get men to spend money on ... you guessed it, WOMEN.

This is why the oligarchs start sweating when men realize that marriage is a huge scam in today's modern world.

Try to get a single man to squander his wealth without the old brainwashing of spending it all on women.

Japan is seeing a huge upsurge in this, men that have dropped out of the corporate grind, and all the hollow, empty "incentives" it offers, but so seldom delivers.

People are waking up in America too. Good for us, bad for the greedy moguls. :)

[–]rebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same in the clubs in the Middle East (where clubs are allowed, like Dubai for example). They look at men like we're all scumbags and give a cunty smirk as they demand entrance fees.

[+]chainsawx72 -47 points-46 points-45 points 8 years ago* (59 children) | Copy Link

The whole point of "ladies night" is to get women to come to the bar. Have fun with your sausage fests California.

EDIT: Everyone downvoting, next time you buy a gal a drink, be sure to be a guy one, so there won't be any discrimination. You guys have fucking jumped the shark here. Ladies Night was invented by men for men. It helps men get laid, because most bars are mostly men. Getting women to come to your bar is good for the bar and good for the men going to the bar. Your blind devotion to equality ignores the fact that the bar owner is a man who has rights too and he should be able to charge what he wants without a bunch of reverse SJWs like you fags calling him a feminist.

Edit2. I'm done with your sjw sub. You all qualify for free drinks on ladies night imo. Grow a pair.

[–]Kuramo 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What about men who go to a bar and don't want to flirt with women at all?

[–]chainsawx72 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I would assume the other 6 nights a week were perfect.

[–]Siganid 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Funnily enough, I live in California where ladies nights are illegal and the bars are far from sausage fests, but hey keep insisting you are right.

[–]chainsawx72 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Those are chicks with dicks.

[–]Siganid 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for checking, I couldn't be bothered to expend any effort. Hope you had a great time.

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

you think i dont know that?

[+]chainsawx72 -22 points-21 points-20 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

You're the one complaining that ladies night equated to being '2nd class', even though ladies night was invented by men to help men.

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

where did i say i agree with it? its discrimination

[+]chainsawx72 -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

You said you disagreed with ladies night. So I said ladies night was good for men. Jesus dude, just look up, it literally just happened and it's in writing for you to read up there ^

[–]Gray_FoxSW20 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

ladies night is not "good for men" are you simple?

[–]GrandPappyWilliams 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

You realize some men here might not even be interested in women, right?

[–]chainsawx72 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's why I quit the sub. He-Man Woman Haters Club. Losers.

[–]Nac82 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But here's the loser, still here, still bitching. You obviously haven't left yet.

[–]chainsawx72 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm delivering mail. Getting paid by the federal government to mock you.

[–]Nac82 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No you're getting paid to do your job but people like you have shitty work ethic and think it's cool to be a bad employee. So you brag about doing bottom rung labor while not even doing a good job at it. I'm not gonna waste any more time talking to you.

[–]PillTheRed 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You quit, but are still here? Is this like the MRA uncertainty principle?

[–]chainsawx72 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Okay dumbass, let me explain to you how Reddit works. When someone 'leaves' a sub, they unsubscribe. I still get your comments in my inbox. Just because I answer your ridiculously juvenile question does not mean I'm a part of this sub again. understand?

[–]PillTheRed 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So, you didn't come over here and start commenting on this post? To get comments in your inbox, you had to of come here and commented first. Quit lying....

[–]cosworth99 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never bought a woman a drink. Never will. Also, I have had sex and am not a robot.

[–]chainsawx72 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

How many dudes have you bought drinks for?

[–]nigmondo[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I bought a drink for your Dad once

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[–]nigmondo[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No Im not gay. Your Dad was offering to suck cock for 5 dollar a time and I just felt sorry for him

[–]cosworth99 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

None actually. I don’t drink so...

[–]chainsawx72 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then your point that you will never buy a woman a drink is pretty misleading.

[–]cosworth99 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not at all, it highlights that I boycott alcohol as a social construct.

You don’t need booze to initiate contact. And if she expects a drink to be bought for her, then she is complicit in the problem.

[–]psy_raven 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You miss the point. Ladies' night was created when women were much more conservative and women accepted their societal role in exchange for getting taken care of by men. Times have changed. Now they demand, and have gotten, equality in every aspect of society. In some instances, they surpass men in privilege. If it's equality they want, then it's equality they shall have. No more privileges.

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[–]Gray_FoxSW20 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nah your try at being edgy is too cringeworthy

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh no, it happens every Saturday at clubs in NJ. Could depend on the club, but boy did women get a discount. I think I had to pay $20 for my entry and my wife paid nothing or next to nothing. Regardless, I hate clubs anyway and don't plan on coming back even if I didn't.

[–]MeEvilBob 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The concept is that giving discounts to (attractive) women will get more women into a bar which will attract more men who will buy drinks for themselves and the ladies. It's supposed to make more money for the bar.

[–]MikeyMike01 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Slavery and child labor were pretty profitable, too.

[–]Valac_ 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ladies night around here literally means nothing they just call it ladies night and more women show up.

Nothing else changes.

[–]themolestedsliver 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Honestly makes sense.

Establishment wants girls because it will make more guys come in and spend more money trying to buy them drinks.

still quite sexist but has some logic behind it.

[–]Nac82 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Slavery has logic too. If I own this person and make them work, I no longer have to work but still get money.

Doesn't make it right.

[–]themolestedsliver 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

ok?...idk where i ever said it was all right? i even called it quite sexist....

[–]Nac82 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I never said you said it wasn't right so I don't see why you are getting passive aggressive.

[–]themolestedsliver 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

nothing passive of what i said just curious mate.

[–]Nac82 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok?...

[–]themolestedsliver 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

really? being this petty?

whatever mate thanks for the insightful comments.

[–]brownhorse 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lel he was mocking you because saying "ok...?" is passive aggressive as fuck. Weird you'd get tilted by someone saying the same passive aggressive thing back at you

[–]Nac82 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe instead of always trying to convince other people they're wrong you should reflect on some things you do and see what you are doing wrong. Not everything you say on the internet comes off the way you wanted to.

More insight you might need.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what's really unfair? Ladies night, they get in the club for free, can drink for free. While men have to pay a $30 entrance fee and have to pay for drinks. If you do the math, men are literally paying for women's fun without even knowing the women inside.

I never go to women's free clubs, unless i go with a girl and we are splitting the entrance fee that i have to pay.

[–]ckvolkl35 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

There's this club in New York that some of my favorite artists play at. The male ticket is $30 and the female ticket is $20. They also enforce a dress code only for guys, never going there.

[–]TygrScott24 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Discrimination and they could be sued

[–]isthisonetakenaswell -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure NY has discrimination laws on the books, should sue them either way.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can file complaints administratively without a lawyer, under City and state anti discrimination laws.

[–]Lethn 309 points310 points311 points 8 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

A retired United States Marine captain is suing a restaurant in Mission Hills for hosting a ladies and non-binary-only party and for refusing to allow him access or give him drink specials that the attendees were offered.

Oooooo, this is going to be good, when feminists try to pick a fight with war veterans when the veteran is in the right that's never going to end well for their PR image.

[–]Waterwings559 124 points125 points126 points 8 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Hosting a ladies and NON-BINARY ONLY PARTY.

So if my sex was male but I identify as non binary I should be allowed to this party no? They’d probably still deny me entry. You probably have to be non-binary but also female.

[–]RedForman- 141 points142 points143 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This whole "i dentify as" ... is total bullshit.

[–]Humulus_Lupulus1992 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No shit. The fact that leftists are buying into it so hard is actually cringe worthy. Its retarded as fuck.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only thing dumber than this "I identify as" bullshit, is the false dichotomy of left vs right, which is six times dumber than astrology. If there are more than 12 kinds of people (astrology) then there are obviously more than 2. That's just math.

[–]Tsrdrum 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone downvoted you, but this is a great comparison. I like to think of it as, chances are there are more ways to look at an issue than a legless handless man can count on his stubs. The astrology metaphor is great, although a substantial number of people I know are actually into astrology

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[–]Tsrdrum 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about anarchosyndicalism? Is that clasping right and left behind your back like they try and have you do in PE class?

[–]deville05 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

What's a non-binary?

[–]Th3BlackLotus 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

They don't identify as a male or female.

To further clarify: binary - 1 & 0. Male and female. So non binary is neither..or both...but not either/or.

[–]Kojakle 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can we start using logic gates to determine gender? I’ve always identified as a NAND gate

[–]Th3BlackLotus 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually...some of the "genders" do sound like it. I think there is a pronoun for "XOR"

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fun fact: You can make any other logic gate with only NAND gates.

[–]Kojakle 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like genders!!

[–]atheistpiece 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm getting flash backs from college courses...

[+]saratogacv60 -20 points-19 points-18 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

If gender is at least partially socially constructed which given differences in fashion, music, and culturally defined male and female interestes. No one is 100 percent male, or female. Is if you are female but have male interests then you are not 100 percent female.

[–]midirfulton 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Too be honest, does it even matter? Just treat individuals as individuals, and everyone will be better off.

It just seems that society is trying to make smaller and smaller groups like 76% and 24% female... Its just stupid.

[–]saratogacv60 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

[–]jeegte12 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

liking something that society has gendered does not mean you adopt the "gender" of that thing. your comment is nonsense.

Is if you are female but have male interests then you are not 100 percent female.

i assume by this point that you're joking.

[–]saratogacv60 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm making a point that the idea of gender both socially constructed and strictly binary is pretty ridiculous.

[–]Aivias 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What you are describing is fashion. In your description/explanation 'Goth' is a gender.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

That is probably the dumbest thing I am going to read all day. You are 100% of what your chromosomes say you are. You're biology dictates what gender you are.

You're interests, like/dislikes/ personality are a completely different thing from your gender. You can like pink princess dresses, and be a man. You can like My Little Pony and be a man. Likewise, you can enjoy hockey and beer and be a woman. These have NOTHING at all to do with your gender.

[+]Mr_MisterJake -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are talking about sex not gender.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, Sex and gender are the same thing. It's people who are trying to push a narrative that are trying to separate them.

You're biological sex is your gender, no matter what these SJW/ regressive types think. Gender = Sex, Sex = Gender. You don't get to choose either one.

[+]goyum_nation -22 points-21 points-20 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you're

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks Mr. Grammar Nazi! Enjoy your downvotes.

[+]goyum_nation 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cripes

[+]Benito_Mussolini -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people don't know how to let it go...

[–]ViciousSurge 91 points92 points93 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Mental illness, basically they think they are neither male nor female. It might as well be called severe attention whore syndrome.

Edit: In hindsight its probably offensive to actually mentally ill folks to call "non binaries" mentally ill... so just attention seekers

[–]batchat25 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well mentally ill people at least have a medical diagnosis. Those things pretend to be special to get minority points.

[–]Cryhavok101 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm 18 percent victim!"

[–]Koletro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I identify as a Sukhoi Su-34, so i'm good to join that party?

[–]The__Tren__Train 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they demand entry to all male clubs and frats, and then deny men equal access to...well, anything really.

[–]DavidTennantsTeeth 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What if you were female sexed and identified as female gender? Are you allowed in since it is non-binary only party?

[–]Th3BlackLotus 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You didn't read the article well enough. The party was for female, female identifing, and non binary.

So in short, no men or anyone who identifies as a man.

[–]Rumpadunk 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can be female and identify as a man though

[–]Th3BlackLotus 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And there in lies the confusion

[–]keith_weaver 201 points202 points203 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I want my equal rights to be 37% more equal than yours.

[–]skankerhunt4235 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

~Animal Farm

[–]themolestedsliver 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the real issue along with the fact that money devoted to gender based issues only goes so far.

so instead of equal spending they rather favor 1 side.

[–]IronJohnMRA 45 points46 points47 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Allison then went to a side door and entered the bar area. A bartender there allowed him to drink.

Now that is clever. He either discovered, or created a situation where they treated him with inferior service to the other patrons in addition to kicking him out. It will only add weight to his case.

[–]tasmanian101 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of me thinks he did it all just to prove a point and get a nice settlement. You don't register for a ladies and non binary night unless you plan on shit stirring.

And good on him, its illegal to do ladies night in california.

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[–]Hiscore 57 points58 points59 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Already is a precedent. See comment above yours.

[–]MazeMouse 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There already is precedent in California. So this is going to be a hefty settlement or a slam-dunk case.

[–]Lights9 78 points79 points80 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s awesome, I love the resistance happening

[–]JavierTheNormal 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how thorough he was, gathering point after point for his lawsuit.

[–]Griddamus 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Quick question out of curiosity:

Are ladies nights still illegal if the promotion is also available on a different night for men?

[–]Barrrcode 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not in California. It's still the same offense of discrimination, just on different nights against a different demographic. Two! Two times the discrimination.

[–]Amogh24 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

California is great in this aspect.

[–]Zero4505 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only two? I thought they said there's like 96 ,or something like that, genders. Law of probability says there should be more then two times discrimination.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are ladies nights still illegal if the promotion is also available on a different night for men?

Separate but equal, bruh.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Might be ok

[–]Oriiso 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We want equal rights for everyone....but not you.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rich Allison says he registered to attend a "Ladies Get Drinks" event at the Red Door hosted by Ladies Get Paid, an advocacy group that fights for equal pay and treatment for women based in New York City.

It's patently fucking obvious they aren't after equality, but supremacy.

[–]TibsKirk 56 points57 points58 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great story. I'm looking forward to the future details. Marines are so brave.

[–]kartu3 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A way to go!

[–]User575757 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fight for equal rights...excludes men

What I find so disgusting about any gender/race-based not-for-profit is how they pretend to want equality but openly promote their own supremacy.

[–]Swinship 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

all they have to say is Men are privileged and have the power, then by saying that they can justify women's only night because in their goofy logic it makes the sexes even.

[–]tasmanian101 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at me

I have the power now

[–]serial_crusher 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't anybody who acknowledges the existence of more than two genders technically considered non-binary? Even if you self-identify as one of the two most popular options, it wasn't a binary selection.

[–]Regs2 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, who the fuck knows? I've tried to have an honest conversation to get a better understanding about their idea of gender, but I got shouted down and called a misogynist for asking questions.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love to see restaurants and bars actually getting shit for 'Ladies Night' type events. Those things are disgusting circlejerks every single time, they should be called Divisive Feminist Cesspool Parties but it wouldn't make it any better.

Nothing says inclusive like denying about half (give or take a % or two) of all people entry for a length of time.

[–]furchfur 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love it. Good for him.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hope he wins big

[–]aajmac 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try having an event excluding women the uproar would be deafening

[–]ColonelVirus 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

Completely ignorant on local laws in cali. Can bars/clubs not hold specific events based on whatever they want? Do they need to apply for a license or some kind of event permit before doing this kind of thing?

Or is any event classed as discrimination if they use a defining feature? Like "Gay night", "Man night", "Ladies night" etc, would all be against the law?

[–]TheLizardKing89 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's only against the law if they discriminate prices or on entry.

[–]damianluna 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But nightclubs do that in Las Vegas and South Florida all the time. They want a higher ratio of females so they give them discounts or let them in free.

Further, why would this dude want to go to a women-only event? It sounds like he had bad intentions. To be honest, I kind of hate it when women invade gay bars. Yes, the can do it but should they??

[–]TheLizardKing89 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a story about Las Vegas or South Florida. What's legal there isn't relevant to a case in California.

[–]Amogh24 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They can advertise it, but legally they can't discriminate on entry or prices.

[–]ColonelVirus 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yea fair enough, seems odd they'd even have those types of events, if they're legally not allowed to stop patrons. I guess it's meant to be more of "suggestion" of what the night will be focusing on.

It makes sense, using race as another example, as a "whites" only night would be fucking insanity to hold, especially if you forcibly stopped non-whites from enter, never really thought about the gender version. Gonna look up laws in the UK, wonder if we have similar thing here.

[–]Amogh24 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the law was focused more on making sure that gay bars and such didn't get banned, while still preventing discrimination.

People are wierd when it comes to gender, discrimination in it is still quite accepted unfortunately

[–]derpylord143 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Uk law is as follows for those who are interested. Private clubs are rather unique in this way within the uk, its what allows women only gyms (they have to be private members things - I assume the discrimination only applies to members but I cant say for certain honestly) That said, I am only a student lawyer who hasn't focused on these areas.

See here though: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/discrimination-because-of-sex-or-sexual-orientation/discrimination-because-of-sex/

in particular this part:

It is direct sex discrimination to treat someone less favourably because of their sex than someone of the other sex would be treated in the same circumstances.

To prove direct sex discrimination, it will help if you can give an example of someone of a different sex who, in similar circumstances, has been, or would have been, treated more favourably than you.

Sexist abuse and harassment are forms of direct discrimination.

Examples of direct sex discrimination include:

refusing credit to a married woman without her husband’s signature, while a married man is not required to have his wife’s signature refusing to accept a woman’s salary as the basis for a mortgage because of her sex a nightclub charging a higher price for entry to a man because of his sex advertising a job for a ‘waiter’. This gives the impression that the job is only open to men. For more information about direct discrimination, see Direct discrimination.

and this part:

Pubs and clubs

In general, it is illegal for a pubs and clubs to discriminate against men or women, although there are some exceptions for private clubs.

For example, a pub is not allowed to refuse to serve a woman a drink in a pint glass if men are served drink in pint glasses.

Another example of sex discrimination is a club which offers free entrance only to women. However, a private members' club is allowed to discriminate against women or men in this way. Examples of a private members' club include working men’s clubs, golf clubs, bowling clubs, and gentlemen’s clubs.

Although private members' clubs can discriminate against their members, they are not allowed to discriminate against their employees because of sex.

I would also give this a read for what amounts to a private club and what it entails in so far as discrimination (I dont know if its reliable but seems to be so): https://www.justanswer.com/uk-law/1e4eo-laws-regard-private-members-clubs.html

I got this for you, but also (and primarily for this reason) so that others had easy access to the relevant information.

[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sweet that's some proper heavy lifting you've saved me. Yea I imagined it was different for private member clubs, wasn't aware gentlemen's clubs counted though (for Americans, basically a strip club).

[–]derpylord143 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, not too much work, like I said its just some quick searching. I just like to help out so a few minutes of my life isn't much. Mhmm, its one of those things, that last link is the requirements needed, that said, I don't get why it allows female only gyms (as there is rarely actual vetting done AFAIK).

[–]NebulousASK 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The basic idea is simple: when you open the doors to your bar (or restaurant, or other "public accommodation" business), if someone walks in and engages you to be a customer, you need to treat them the same as any other customer. If you treat them differently because of their race or sex or religion or where they're from, you're violating the law.

[–]Drekalo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But I can still treat them differently because I don't like them specifically right? NO SOUP FOR YOU!

[–]NebulousASK 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In most states, yes, although a few have a rule that you can't exclude members of the public without a good reason.

That's why a known card counter can be banned from casinos in Vegas but not in Atlantic city.

[–]Cryhavok101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Are they allowed to be rented out for private events? Then pass the discrimination blame off to the people holding the event?

[–]NebulousASK 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That would likely work, yes. If a private group wants to hold an event and only invite certain people, in most places it can do that.

However:

a) If the group advertises the event as open to the public, then the group will be in similar trouble for discriminating; and

b) Now the owners have to let all sorts of private organizations rent out the bar or risk a discrimination suit at that level. So the females-only group this week is followed by a whites-only group next week, etc.

[–]Cryhavok101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that is about how I was thinking it would be.

[–]damianluna 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All true except in half of the country, merchants can LEGALLY discriminate against gay people based on "religious beliefs" B.S.

[–]NebulousASK 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know of a single court case that has ever confirmed this to be true. Do you?

The RFRA theoretically can be used to allow a religious business to ignore an anti-discrumination law, but if you know a case where this successfully happened, please share.

[–]scyth3s 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Or is any event classed as discrimination if they use a defining feature? Like "Gay night", "Man night", "Ladies night" etc, would all be against the law?

I've never seen a gay bar not allow straight folks. If you want primarily women to show, make your establishment desirable to women but not to men, without discriminating. It's that simple. If you want a ladies night, instead of discrimination, find some activities women tend to like and men don't.

This isn't arguing with your post, just sort of elaborating on it.

[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea I mean it makes sense... I've never been to a gay bar, or womens only events as they don't interest me, never stopped to consider IF I could go if I wanted to. Just accepted I wouldn't be allowed in if I didn't fit the demographic they wanted.

[–]hauntedskin 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've never seen a gay bar not allow straight folks.

I don't know if it ever went this far, but I know some gay bars were thinking of banning bachelorette/hen parties or maybe even straight-identifying women as whole (except when accompanied by a gay friend), because groups of ladies would get drunk and go to gay bars to gawk at and grope, the men there, basically making it uncomfortable for normal patrons.

[–]scyth3s 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a problem, but banning a gender and sexual orientation shouldn't really be a solution. You can just assume someone will commit sexual assault.

[–]damianluna 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there weres some gay bars that pre- marriage equality banned bachelorette parties. I think they got away w/ this by saying the women were disorderly and disruptive (which they are). Being disruptive is one of the few loopholes a business owner has to keep patrons out along w/ threatening other patrons or showing up intoxicated.

[–]damianluna 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But there are some male strip clubs geared to gay men that only allow groups of women in if they are escorted by a male. I, personally, think that's a good policy. There may be certain loopholes to limit who comes in but not allow outright discrimination.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

IT IS 2017 THE YEAR OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST why do people still think the wage gap is a thing

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Without manufactured oppression, their life would have no meaning. (their life actually has no meaning or purpose).

[–]fischestix 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A local dive strip club has lady's night. It hasn't seemed to be an issue but only because neither nem nor woman want to see recent csection scars anf old bullet wounds on strippers.

[–]evanalmighty19 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's not like we don't already get them enough free drinks...

[–]Foregen_Is_Life 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is really petty. I don't see this as a particularly concerning issue.

[–]rodvanmechelen[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW, it seems to me, should count as "non-binary."

[–]b33fman 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

On one hand, I don't think government should interfere in private business and companies should be able to discriminate whoever they please, on the other hand I'm a man and I don't like being discriminated against. I don't know how to feel about this...

[–]Amogh24 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's why discrimination shouldn't be allowed. It's always going to hurt people

[–]scyth3s 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, except history just screams that the people of this country do not have the attention span or the morals to do proper policing on this subject, so anti discrimination laws it is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm right there with you. It is a little satisfying though seeing these groups get a taste of their own medicine.

[–]RoboModeTrip 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I personally don't enjoy bars/restaurants having ladies night knowing I can't get the 50% discount because I'm a male.

[–]I_Like_Mathematics 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my club does ladies nights too but they also do mens nights and people who wear hats nights and people born on a tuesday nights etc :D

[–]AlbertEinshtein 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

R/SanDiego

[–]GlassTwiceTooBig 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What kind of home ec class teaches you to use Velveeta? It isn't cheese, it's a petroleum product.

[–]Cryhavok101 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Velveeta is Culinarily Weaponized Styrofoam

[–]hottake_toothache 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love it!

[–]Themightysavage 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope he wins, this could be a big win for men everywhere

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"For a business operating in the progressive state of California, in the year 2017, to provide accommodations, advantages, privileges, or services to only female patrons, is as repugnant and unlawful as businesses being involved in a ‘Caucasian Night’ or a ‘Heterosexual Night’ and denying admission and discounted drinks and other accommodations, advantages, privileges, or services to patrons of color or to gay or lesbian patrons, respectively."

Imagine a Caucasian night, you would have all black lives matters members outside, vandalizing near business and attacking any white man walking around.

Imagine a Heterosexual Night, you would have the whole LGBTQ community waving dildos and demanding to be let in.

[+]tyrael98 -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Whoever wrote the article , English is not their first language lol , it is like it was translated on one of those youtube translators.

[–]constant_chaos 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

their*

[+][deleted] -32 points-31 points-30 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

IMO we need to pick our battles and this isn't one of them.

[–]nowarning1962 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As others have mentioned, the laws in california are different than most places. I thought it was a bit frivolous because I live in an area that allows ladies nights. However, in California it is illegal to discriminate based on gender; which means they can't restrict or charge different entry fees based on gender or race and they can't charge different prices within a business establishment based on the same as mentioned before. So in California, it is a battle worth fighting because it has already been set in law.

[–]serial_crusher 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not like this is the smoking gun that proves the Matriarchy is oppressing men or something, but it is worth fighting, and is worthy of our support. It woulldn't be the end of the world if this guy lost his case, but I hope he wins.

The fact is, California has a law that prevents what they did. It's particularly insulting when an anti-discrimination law is enforced discriminately, and it's worse when a group advocating for equality is the one doing the discrimination.

This isn't a case of systematic oppression (yet). Just a bad judgment call by the organizers. If it goes to court and they pay a fine or something, that's a good thing. If it goes ignored and is allowed to continue, that's when it becomes a systemic discrimination problem.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We need to pick are battles anytime an opportunity presents itself.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand what "pick our battles" means. If you pick a battle any time an opportunity presents itself to be offended by something you are not picking and choosing, you are taking on every battle. Just like feminists who get offended by anything they possibly can.

Many people consider our movement a joke and if we are fighting over non-issues like Ladies Nights then we are proving their point. This is a sad hill to die on.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except feminist fight the wrong battles for the wrong reasons. And fighting discrimination in any form isn’t a sad hill to die. Our movement is going to be considered a joke if we let people get away with stupid shit like this.

[–]Kuramo 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you're the problem here, haven't you thought that?

Men have been socialized to not talk about their issues for a long time. The last time we need it's a pussy worshipper lecturing us

[–]AmuseDeath 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is most definitely a battle that should be fought.

[+]pelvark -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Clearly the bar is in the wrong for breaking the law here, and should be punished. But I don't understand why there will be a lawsuit involved where the guy gets money, rather than this being reported and the establishment being punished with a fine or something by the government.

The guy clearly went there with the purpose of suing them to make money, noone can say that he is in any way hurt by this. I can't help but equate this to people who jump in front of cars with the purpose of suing the driver...

I know what the bar did was wrong and should be punished for it, I just don't think the guy should be rewarded.

[–]brokedown 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

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Punitive damages

Punitive damages, or exemplary damages, are damages intended to reform or deter the defendant and others from engaging in conduct similar to that which formed the basis of the lawsuit. Although the purpose of punitive damages is not to compensate the plaintiff, the plaintiff will receive all or some of the punitive damages award.

Punitive damages are often awarded if compensatory damages are deemed an inadequate remedy. The court may impose them to prevent undercompensation of plaintiffs and to allow redress for undetectable torts and taking some strain away from the criminal justice system.


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[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The guy clearly went there with the purpose of suing them to make money

You can only sue if you're affected by an issue. You can't claim discrimination in the name of a demographic, it has to be personal. So he had to do this to have any grounds.

[+]pelvark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So if an establishment is breaking the law they won't be punished unless someone was affected?

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, if it's a crime that requires a victim, and there is no victim....

[+]pelvark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're breaking the law by holding the event, so the crime doesn't require a victim.

[–]Tsrdrum 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well human laws need to be enforced and in order for that to happen someone has to experience the law being broken. Just like it’s federally illegal for me to light up a doob but I won’t be punished unless the illegality is enforced

[+]pelvark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but all I'm saying is that I don't see why the correct course of action wasn't the guy reporting the illegality in some way rather than going to get exposed to it on purpose so he could play the victim in court and win money.

Like if you were smoking weed in public and someone saw who didn't like it, they'd find a cop and tell them rather than standing next to you and then suing you for exposing them to marijuana smoke.

[–]tasmanian101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who would sue? The government doesn't just issue you fines in cases like this. The government would represent the people being discriminated against on their behalf, and sue/charge them with violating a statute. Then if they proved that in court they would be fined a judgement.

For an agency to directly fine someone they have to have authority to do so. Like congress has delegated to fcc violations, and your health inspector can use city laws to fine people.

This is a precedent against discrimination in California law. So someone has to be discriminated against for their to be damages to be sued over. Theres no regulatory agency to do this.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's about discrimination, no they won't be. Fraud by a company is different, you're committing a crime against the state.

You could pay people unequally in your company, with everyone knowing. Outside the government running an audit, the only way for the situation to be known (and something to be done about it, legally) would be someone affected by it bringing it to court. Journalism wouldn't bring any legal action (though it might spur a victim or the government to do something).

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

for example?

[–]scyth3s 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Support your accusation dude.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Criticising women who are being shitty people isn't misogyny.

[–]AmuseDeath 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't know what the word misogyny means.

[+]demiurgency -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't see what the big deal is here. If I should ever got to a restaurant like this (I wouldn't), I simply would give a 0% tip. When confronted by the waitress, I would say "I already paid your tip. Take it up with your manager."

[–]Drekalo 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You realize the difference right? A price is assumed non negotiable amount, a tip is a voluntary gratuity.

[+]ScullyNess -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Things like this are no help to people who actually believe in men's rights and putting them on the actual forefront of public interest and knowledge.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, we can't have legal victories fighting discrimination... that would be bad for Men's Rights... for some reason.

[–]AmuseDeath 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Treating people equally is a principle in which both Men's Rights and feminists advocates fight for.

[+]formershitpeasant -70 points-69 points-68 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that. I don't want to lose ladies nights.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

then repeal the legislation that makes them illegal, don't just apply the anti-discrimination laws...discriminately

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