So a lot of this space is cisgender, which is great. But i wanted to share with you guys the experience I have in trans spaces (not specific to women, trans spaces for any direction of transition) and the rhetoric of hating masculinity, testosterone, and men.

Even aside from the basically zero rep (and this is due to masc posts being downvoted, the mods have acknowledged it) there's constantly comments about how testosterone is poison, how ugly masculine features are. And this isn't even just from a transfem perspective of not wanting these things for yourself- it's generalized.

This has even begun to leak into trans men spaces. They constantly shit on the results of phalloplasty, and claim penises are ugly, disgust at body hair, etc. Or even take out their bs on passing trans men (for those who don't know, that's a trans guy who completely looks and acts cis male) for being 'part of the problem' or 'toxically masculine'

I made a post recently, deleted now because of arguments in comments, but the gist of it was 'why do trans dudes get hate from other trans dudes for doing things cis dudes do?' and the answer was not jealousy and sexism as I've come to realise, it was 'oh the cis men who act super masculine are just as much a problem as trans men who do it. It's just expected of trans men to be better' which makes zero sense.

Body hatred goes the same way- people often vent about 'losing their attractive feminity' or their 'feminine worth' which is both an example of sexism from the person posting and of the people around them who convinced them femininity was somehow more beautiful than being masc. Also general 'ick' surrounding penises- which I'm perfectly fine for if it's with your own body, but people go so far as to say 'yeah phallo results are ugly i don't want them' and that's a very common sentiment across transmasc spaces.

Anyone can see what I mean by visiting the trans reddits. Be respectful while you're there and don't incite any arguments. I just wanted to share a bit about how there's so much misandry in trans subs and even specifically trans male subs. It sucks. Thanks for listening.