Feminists are waking up to a world without men and boys adhering to strict male gender roles, and they don't like it! Solution? Redesign masculinity to be more gynocentric.

KrazyJazz · 2023-07-11T03:06:57+00:00

What the hell do they know about our struggles? Since when do they care? Oh! I see! "Men are lost. Women most affected. Here's what we want you to do and to be". Something of that nature again? Hard pass.

So-Contribution · 2023-07-11T05:23:00+00:00

A new masculinity will be a norm shift, and that takes time

As expected, her solution to men having problems is to change masculinity.

How come there is not a word about how we can make society be fairer for men ? Look at the trouble that Johnny Depp got just because we "believe all women". For every Depp, there are thousands of Smiths and Browns that nobody has heard of, suffering similar fate without recourse.

She quietly admits a core problem: women are not attractive to the soft emotional man they're telling every boy to be. If that's the case, then why the hell are you telling boys to be like that? Why doesn't she advocate for women to be honest about what they want?

LouisdeRouvroy · 2023-07-11T05:14:12+00:00

Much of the content in the online men’s space is misogyny masquerading as being simply pro-male

Well, will she acknowledge that much of the feminist content is misandry masquerading as being simply pro-female? No? How uncanny!

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

rabel111 · 2023-07-11T02:58:21+00:00

This very long and self-indulgent essay, is just another boring feminist femsplaining masculinity using disingenuous (fake) anecdotes and gynocentric logic. The thousands of comments range from toxic anti-male feminist rants to casual misandry.

Why is it that feminists love to femsplain about masculinity so much, and always imagine a perfect masculinity that invariably is all about the benefits to women?

bakedpotato486 · 2023-07-11T05:09:53+00:00

Archived article.

Take any URL and put "archive.is/" before it (i.e. archive.is/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/10/christine-emba-masculinity-new-model/), and the resulting page will show you if it's been archived by this archival website. If it hasn't been, I believe it'll ask if you want it archived.

asdf333aza · 2023-07-11T04:27:46+00:00

Jonah hill expressed his emotions and looks how he is getting dragged for it in the news now. Don't fall for the trick guys.

Baboon_Stew · 2023-07-11T07:17:22+00:00

She wrote a whole lot of words just to say nothing.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2023-07-11T09:02:01+00:00

Don't give them (or society) masculinity in any capacity. They don't deserve it.

If you are going to take the role of mentoring young men (which they're begging for), do so, but not in any way these fuckers would approve of. Be sure to tell the young men about the rot in culture, institutions and the corporate world, and how it's possible to form alternatives on the outside of it all.

Explain to the young men that the social concepts of masculinity are constructs to create obedient slaves. That's never changed, and when they broadcast new roles for men, that's what it'll be, all over again.

solemnoak · 2023-07-11T07:40:20+00:00

Toxic masculinity’ is toxic terminology, and there is a real possibility that exposing men and boys to negative narratives about masculinity is damaging to their mental health.

ExMuzzy · 2023-07-11T11:54:00+00:00

We can find ways to work with the distinctive traits and powerful stories that already exist — risk-taking, strength, self-mastery, protecting, providing, procreating. We can recognize how real and important they are. And we can attempt to make them pro-social — to help not just men but also women, and to support the common good.

Typical, all gender roles for women are bad but men are expected to provide and protect for women. I'm guessing risk-taking is seen as a good trait since you need that as a man to get married.

Fuck off, you don't get to have your cake and eat it.

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2023-07-11T03:34:11+00:00

I think it’s possible to be both masculine and emotional, but men shouldn’t be criticized for being masculine (especially when the women who write these types of articles want masculine men but don’t admit it). Also men should be able to experience a whole set of emotions and not be seen as less of a man for experiencing them

g1455ofwater · 2023-07-11T05:54:16+00:00

This piece should be in the hall of infamy as one of the worst articles ever produced on the topic.

diacylglycerol83 · 2023-07-11T04:00:46+00:00

This just means they want you to hand over your wallets.

plumberack · 2023-07-11T08:13:14+00:00

Woman writing men 🤡

cobiopin · 2023-07-11T09:17:38+00:00

This reads more like a victory celebration than trying to help men. The author rejoices at the fact that women are "surging ahead of men" (her words) in academics, as if women have not made a concerted effort for decades to remove men from academia. She also states her opinion about how "freer sex" (men) are finally held to a high standard, kinda funny coming from a sex that is held to absolute 0 standards.

Men taking advice from women is like a slave taking advice from his master to be free. Any and all advice women give is a repackaging of "how men can better serve women". The female brain is incapable of empathy for men. Just look at the comments from women under the article, there are many dismissive, apathetic and vacuous comments but not a single empathetic one.

The only problem men have is that they can't live without the company of women, but women don't feel the same in the slightest. In the older times, they "tolerated" a man to leech off for survival. Today, they just leech off all men through the government, there is no need to "tolerate" a man in their lives.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2023-07-11T07:51:09+00:00

Well is that not what the asked for the getting what the asked for and still wanna bitch about it... the never damn happy aren't they. The fight so hard to make it happen and they still cry and whining..

Why you think men don't wanna talk about or argue anymore and men just walking away from the table like its not worth it

BoeingA320neo-9 · 2023-07-11T04:38:09+00:00

Anyone has a link ? It’s behind a pay wall

HamletsRazor · 2023-07-11T11:38:41+00:00

"Washington Post, Opinion: "

Stopped reading right there.

GoldenLeopard317 · 2023-07-11T13:50:11+00:00

A woman telling men to do exactly what she says. No care about whether men want to change to fit her ‘ideals’.

Keep getting more masculine, men. Women instinctively and naturally prefer this.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-07-11T03:57:57+00:00

The left has spent a lot of time and energy telling men and boys what not to be. Probably should have had a better plan on what to tell them to be than to try to turn them into women. Women are great but hetro women aren’t attracted to men who act like women. The author is even forced to admit it in the article.

silvrado · 2023-07-11T06:38:29+00:00

WaPo ass with it.

vegansoymilk · 2023-07-11T08:38:31+00:00

Men are now free to live lives for themselves. No longer trapped in marriage and providers for family. Not stress, no responsibility, no hassles. Yea.

BurnDownTheMission68 · 2023-07-11T11:02:00+00:00

Other than getting married, the stupidest thing a young man can do is join the military.

Surv1ver · 2023-07-11T13:44:13+00:00

I mean, there are certain attributes around masculinity that we should embrace. Men think about sex more than women. Use that as motivation to be successful and meet women.

And suddenly I lost a lot of my otherwise newly found respect for professor Galloway from his conversation with Bill Maher on Real Times with Bill Maher and overtime.

Shdwfalcon · 2023-07-12T00:21:53+00:00

Women are infamous for not knowing what they actually want...

karstabobo · 2023-07-11T12:32:29+00:00

What a load of bullshit. I'm fucking tired of delusional women who have NEVER ever lived even a single day as a man womansplaining to me about my struggles and how I should be.

Thank god my circle of friends does not include these people or I'd probably want to smash my head into a wall upon hearing some of this dumbest shit known to mankind

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-07-11T16:13:44+00:00

Quote from the article:

In my ideal, the mainstream could embrace a model that acknowledges male particularity and difference but doesn’t denigrate women to do so. It’s a vision of gender that’s not androgynous but still equal, and relies on character, not just biology. And it acknowledges that certain themes — protector, provider, even procreator — still resonate with many men and should be worked with, not against.

Protector there’s a reason most guys don’t intervene in public like if someone is making a woman uncomfortable on a subway. It’s all risk and no reward. At least that’s the primary reason that I can tell.

Provider. This has flipped. Young women are out earning young men now mostly due to the higher percentage of college degrees going to women. That’s fine women are getting them they should be feee to choose what they want but it’s a bit irritating when they then turn around and complain about a lack of “economically attractive men”. The plus is any man still willing to risk marriage can probably hold out for a woman with a good job?

Procreator. Women have most of the power here. Men have no say (if his persuasion fails) and no rights once a sperm leaves his body.

What does that leave?

You can do the stuff that makes a woman feel protected. Work out, get buff. Be tall (ha!). Don’t take any crap from anyone. Work on your charm and swagger. Hmm this is starting to sound like those “toxic” influencers and “toxic masculinity “.

If feminism wants to stop what they call “toxic masculinity “ they first need to convince themselves and other women to stop ducking those guys.

I know I’m not the only one who tried the feminist dating advice given to men and had horrible results. Then tried the approach they claim they don’t like, but found I got much better results, it even got me a wife who gives back instead of just being a taker.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2023-07-11T16:58:13+00:00

Feminism is just Patriarchy 2.0

Couldawg · 2023-07-12T00:22:05+00:00

Imagine a gruff white male, 1970's, his mind absolutely boggled about the state of women. "I don't understand the problem! They got their Miracle Bras and Tupperwares, what more do these ingrates want?!?"

That's how ignorant and oblivious this person sounds.

jfsargent3 · 2023-07-11T15:07:53+00:00

I’m good, thanks for asking ladies

MightyRed123 · 2023-07-11T19:32:17+00:00

Feminists: "male masculinity is bad! Be more like women!"

Men start deviating from the normal male role

Feminists: "no not like that! stop that you're supposed to be men!"

The fuck they want?

CorneredSponge · 2023-07-11T14:16:05+00:00

Regardless of the content of the solution, I’m glad there is increasing mainstream attention to men’s issues.

And I also agree with the assessment of many other proposed solutions being renditions of 1950s gender roles, which just aren’t applicable today.

EchidnaOk4429 · 2023-07-12T18:14:11+00:00

My girlfriend would be upset that I expected her to cook and clean as I work all day and she rarely worked. So I said fine, I continued working my heavy hours per usual. She now works a job with heavy hours and now she complains that she's so tired and wants to stay home. It's all sweet until you get into the middle of it

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2023-07-11T11:51:21+00:00

We keep changing for them and they keep getting more and more sad and unhappy. Don’t women do this with chads as a whole?

PrecisionGuessWerk · 2023-07-14T02:49:14+00:00

I thought that was a pretty good article overall. Alot of interesting points were made. I didn't interpret it at all to say masculinity was being "designed as gynocentric" at all. In fact, one of the paragraphs talks exactly about how its difficult for some people to define what masculinity is, without simply spelling out femininity. And it paints this as something bad, not something good.

Noonbright · 2023-07-19T10:08:02+00:00

If you're so interested in what we're going through, why not give us a voice instead of putting words in our mouths?

Title	Feminists are waking up to a world without men and boys adhering to strict male gender roles, and they don't like it! Solution? Redesign masculinity to be more gynocentric.
Author	rabel111
Upvotes	502
Comments	150
Date	July 11, 2023 2:54 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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