For redpill men, What was the moment that made you go redpill

SarsaparillaCorona · 2023-10-10T06:15:54+00:00

Honestly? The point that made me consider TRP was the fact that the conventional dating advice I was used to wasn’t working, and the point I ‘swallowed’ TRP as a permanent part of my thought processes is that like it or not, it fucking works.

It is important to note I come from a period where TRP was all about actually helping men achieve success in a world dominated by bullshit pandering and false information, not the doom and gloom society we inhabit today. The modern Red Pill subreddit is an absolute shadow of itself owing to the fact that none of the vanguards or teachers exist on it anymore, so really I’d consider myself an ex Red Piller in the same way I consider myself an ex Progressive and an ex Feminist, at some point the diatribe became so hostile and full of toxicity that associating with it is like associating with a different culture entirely. I do not recognise modern red pill and it saddens me.

Anyway, red pill. To me, red pill is all about understanding your role and your power as a man, the tools and strategies you have at your disposal to get what you want, how to best utilise those tools and hone your skill (dating and garnering affection and attraction is a skill) and how to deal with the inevitable consequences of being this way and how to mitigate the issues.

I feel like I’ve become lost recently so I’ve been going back over the classics, The Book of Pook, Models, The Illimatable Man, The Rational Male, 48 laws of power, those sorts of things. They talk about concepts like the hamster, last minute resistance, the wall, push/pull, shit tests, frame, kino, escalation, straight talk, baby talk and power talk, why having self discipline and value as a man is important, approach anxiety, day and night game, plate spinning, all of these concepts which have become bastardised, it’s so refreshing to see these concepts described in a way that is actually balanced and valuable instead of being dragged through the mud and explained in such a bitter and angry way. TRP was meant to be fun! The whole point was to enjoy the company and attention of women, not be angry and manipulate women into horrible situations! Maybe I’m just remembering things incorrectly, but I see men on modern RP getting angry and bitter, they talk about these things like they’re robots, they hate women. They hate what they could do to them, they fear them. I never feared women, I just wanted to know what made them tick and what made me attractive to them! That was the whole damn point! I feel like that has been lost.

I can’t remember who said it, but the essence of The Red Pill is that TRP is straight talk about power talk. TRP is all about working out the little mind games and manipulations women pull on themselves and others and using those powers to benefit yourself. You can make that as altruistic or as evil as you want them to be. You can use that knowledge to find your perfect girl who loves and cherishes you for who you are, or you could use it to become the Casanova fuckboy who has a body count as high has your dick can muster. That was the point. TRP was whatever you made of it. Either way, it was hated because straight talk about these ethereal concepts women used to define their attitudes and attraction towards men was being splayed out for all to see right before their eyes and they hated it. How dare you take the sacred texts and tell them to the world! How dare you expose us as these vile, emotionally bound, deceitful and impulsive creatures! It undid a bunch of 3rd wave feminist ideals and broke the methods women used to dictate who was and wasn’t worth their time, they saw red pill men as illegitimate, they weren’t guys who ‘just got it’ they were guys who disturbed the natural order of things to get it by force. This would not do, oh no sir.

So it died out. But it still exists in those books, in old blogs and forums, you can still look at this information and digest it and use it, you just don’t have a cohort of other men doing the same thing to compare it to, and the examples are outdated because the dating game has evolved, but I’ll take those concepts and ideas over the drivel TRP spouts out any day, it makes sense to me and still, for the most part, works.

So uhh, yeah, I became Red pilled in 2014, I lost it in 2017, but I’m dusting off those old PDFs because the advice is still solid and better than anything available today.

purplish_possum · 2023-10-10T02:13:37+00:00

I was the ultimate blue pill chump. I was madly in love with my 2nd ex-wife. I literally almost worked myself to death trying to provide the things she wanted. Those efforts didn't matter. When I got sick she kicked me to the curb -- indeed she asked for a divorce the day I was diagnosed with a heart condition. She took our kids and moved in with the millionaire who is now her new husband. She'd been seeing him for awhile without me knowing. When I got sick my relative worth fell far enough that she pulled the plug. I ended up living in a garden shed that had been converted into a pathetic rental. I needed to have three operations to get everything sorted out. The most major procedure required an almost two week recovery period before I could drive so I rented room in a cheap motel near the hospital which was a long way from where I lived and worked. I checked into the hotel the day before my operation and set up my room with everything I'd need for recovery. Took a taxi to the hospital -- had the operation -- took a cab back to my dingy hotel room. For ten days I stayed in that pathetic hotel room by myself in pain while the woman who said she's stick by me through better and worse was with my kids in a 900K house five miles away. I emerged from that hotel room a changed person.

dauntlessmax · 2023-10-10T08:37:18+00:00

After being constantly ghosted, being called “too nice” the usual RP catalysts, etc. Then growing up, losing weight, moving cities, meeting great people and picking up several hobbies only to find out that don’t mean shit (in the general dating world) unless you’ve got money and some degree of status.

Realizing all this I pretty much fell back, became a recluse actually had an idea to take up as much interesting hobbies as possible from candle making, perfumery, woodworking, etc. to make myself a so called “high value” man. None of that worked and I noticed that men that put in less effort, were assholes, and prioritized making money got further along with women than me.

Fast forward to now and I have a travel company, learned photography and started making music. Everything’s doing OK so far money wise, however I WISH I could give a damn about trying to start a relationship knowing what I know now about dating culture. I can’t even open IG without seeing marriage/baby pics and I’m just like eh 🤷🏿😂

And on the subject of social media and dating, lmaoooooooo is all I have to say.

Honestly I’m trying to dial back a bit as I’ve gotten very stoic and cold over the years. I miss my warm personality as a young man.

Workaholiconew · 2023-10-10T01:35:08+00:00

The moment I noticed nothing I tried was working... and I needed to try something else if I wanted to be happy.

Luciansleep · 2023-10-10T01:10:19+00:00

I used to be red pill, stopped for 3 years and now just taking the concepts that work and leaving the rest.

I initially joined because I was short and tried my best to present well to women. I was funny, had a lot of friends, did lots of volunteering, and even had interesting hobbies.

None of that did anything for me. At worst on girl literally made me believe she was into me only to publicly humiliate me by saying “you thought” while she asked “Do you want to be my boyfriend”. Not to mention an abusive mom that I take care of now that she has cancer and having a girl that I dated make my whole town hate me as I didn’t like that she lied about texting her ex behind my back.

When I left the red pill I thought I was causing harm to women only for those situations to come back. It’s in my profile but in short having women lie about being into me only to ghost or cheat and say “I didn’t mean to harm you”. The last straw that made me go back was being lied to and told “ I thought I liked you cause you’re everything nice on paper but I don’t” after months of dating then ghosted and she got with another guy a week later while I was in military training with injuries.

AFuzzyMuffin · 2023-10-10T05:42:39+00:00

Redpill is nothing more than coming to terms with the fact women can be stupid as fuck. Men can be too but men don’t realize women can do they are delusional till they arnt. Women are human and there are good ones and bad ones

Sad_Top1743 · 2023-10-10T06:27:39+00:00

Become friends with chads and women who are avg/moderately attractive then just observe lol

SlowEffective8146 · 2023-10-10T01:47:06+00:00

There's no singular moment, it's just experience gained via dating women.

El-Carretero · 2023-10-10T06:08:14+00:00

I remember I was already into PUA, before red pill came out. Back then it was just about doing whatever you needed to do to get the girl.

I had some success but after a while I just got tired. I may not be Chad but I'm a decent looking guy with some things going for me. So why is it so hard? Why do we need to do all the work and women are like an enemy that we need to defeat with mind games? Shouldn't the women also be trying to get with us as well?

I remember me and my friends were all doing everything to make ourselves more attractive and putting ourselves out there. Then we would all usually fail.

Then I read the rational male and it all made sense. That most of us were really just waiting for the women to have their fun first and just kept us around for when they need us as a beta bucks. It explained everything because most of the guys I know that had decent relationships always had a catch. It was always after she became a single mom or after he gets a good job and she's in her 30's.

It's really sad thinking about all effort we put in for years, when in reality we weren't even in the game.

abaxeron · 2023-10-10T12:23:53+00:00

It took years for a crack to expand, but the moment it started being visible under magnifying glass and giving a beep on sonar is when two gfs in a row confessed cheating on me behind my back, and both made it my fault.

upsidemaze · 2023-10-10T16:18:03+00:00

I was never really bluepill. I had a wonderful childhood full of love and support. It was a middle class house with thrifty parents. I never had the latest gaming console but I always had good food. My mother is anxious type and quick to anger. She has lots of insecurities. But she is good person at heart. She could never hurt someone, she is just not capable of it.

My dad is a mix of beta and alpha, alpha socially but personality of a beta. Moral and responsible, but definitely not someone I aspire to be. He is a good man. I dont care for being a good man.

So I never developed unhealthy nice guy tendencies, I was never codependent nor I ever seek validation from others. I got lucky that I had good parents.

When I found out about redpill, I was like, yeah it makes sense.

VengeanceAgainst · 2023-10-10T16:30:50+00:00

Because I can’t deny the things I see for the 20+ years I have been living.

itdoesnotmatterlolol · 2023-10-10T19:41:38+00:00

I had everything, good career, well mannered, good socially. Got ghosted on dating apps for 4 years. Got pilled during that time, hard. Learned everything about female behavior from hundreds of psychology papers. Went to the gym, got fit, got muscular. Updated my photos and had 8 dates scheduled in two weeks after changing my photos. Two sexual experiences in a month.

Women I dated were a caricature of female behavior I learned. I have never been so sure of anything in my entire life until I dated women after getting pilled. Once you know, you know, and you can never not know.

You literally just have to learn how women behave from the redpill and interact with a single one to prove the red pill correct.

Women were throwing themselves at me.

I was very lucky to have a good career that took a decade to build. Otherwise my journey would have taken much longer

Longjumping_Step_858 · 2023-10-10T03:50:03+00:00

I was a guy who was fairly strong and musclefat based, so maybe 10-20lbs tops over healthy BMI, but muscle behind it. Had no real trouble with women. I ended up gaining weight. So when I spoke to people about it, I would be met with BP advice. "Be yourself, be confident, personality matters most". I knew most of those things anyway, I actually did believe them at one point myself. But after gaining weight, none of those things made sense and didn't work. I never changed any as a person, just my weight, so how could it be due to my personality or not being confident or being myself?

I started noticing a lot of things in dating that didn't make sense to what was said women liked to what they did. At some point I stumbled online and found TRP and it confirmed everything I had been silently forming in my own thoughts.

I ended up losing 120lbs and dating has been much easier now. I don't agree with everything TRP says, but they do have a better grasp of how dating works and what women are attracted to, at least from a males perspective than anything else.

So nothing crazy, but good enough for me. I think it comes easy to most men who have been significantly overweight in their life to see the disconnect from what society says, and what women do. Being fat generally gives you a clear view of it.

YtBlue · 2023-10-10T01:41:20+00:00

I don't consider myself "red pill" as it has a lot of things to suck you in and make you spend time and money into it. However, some of the values are absolutely true. It confirmed a lot of things I saw while dating. One of that being, that the main thing women want is power. Not within herself but in others. She'd rather have a man she believes is powerful than a man she deems weak but nice and treats her well.

Acceptable-Truck3803 · 2023-10-10T01:51:28+00:00

not really "red pill" so to speak, but i did come across it from time to time and it taught me some things.

why my first GF left, why i wasnt given a chance after a couple dates, why people didnt take me seriously, professional life + growth, etc.

it explained quite a bit, however after 2018, TRP and askTRP became "blackpill" and "incel" zones/places due to reddit closing those communities.before it was a self improvement space to "set yourself up for the best chance of getting sex" and its changed to everything inbetween.

the documentary "the red pill" opn amazon video/youtube video which was free for years showed a lot of things which are true, no one talked about, and little by little the "women are wonderful effect" disappeared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7MkSpJk5tM

some people call "the red pill" in reference of the matrix, then again the metaphor fits. sadly some people never leave the anger phase and stay in that hole they dug themselfs into.

YasuotheChosenOne · 2023-10-10T02:47:28+00:00

I turned 18.

The competition shifts greatly when transitioning from popular in highschool to a nobody in college. And all the 18 yr old girls wanna fuck with 21 yr old guys and it becomes taboo to fuck anyone under 18.

NotMattDamien · 2023-10-10T04:23:35+00:00

Not one moment, the collective some of it all and nearing the striking similarities from others.

George69143 · 2023-10-10T04:46:22+00:00

When I realized any woman would leave their man for a rich or famous man. Most women just have convinced themselves they can’t have that but we will never be their first choice.

_Ad_Astra_Abyssosque · 2023-10-10T02:35:59+00:00

There wasn't a moment. I found trp accidentally. After reading it once, I knew it was onto something. If it wasn't true, how did it accurately predict every interaction with a woman in my past? The hateful language and right-wing slant were a turn-off, so i avoided going too deep. But I am a man of science, so I committed to trying it, to test the results. After trying it, I began to see results and the rest is history. AWALT.

xTakki27 · 2023-10-10T05:53:50+00:00

The moment I dumped all the lies about dating, that have been fed to me ever since I hit puberty...

And the fact, that I could safely assume, that women control the dating and sexual market. And I hate to be someone's whiteknight, so BP became unrealistic to me

Steakman1 · 2023-10-10T01:39:38+00:00

Haven’t considered myself redpill for a while now but what initially drew me to it was when my first long term partner left me for another guy. She was my first in other areas as well and I was her first in some areas which made it that much more painful for me at the time.

KingOfTheIncels_ · 2023-10-10T06:26:47+00:00

I saw they were doing an all female ghostbusters and I knew I had to put my foot down.

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2023-10-10T04:35:37+00:00

i don't consider myself redpill but i do agree with some of it's arguments and advice, in some cases long before i even heard of TRP.

getting dumped by my college gf was probably the most impactful experience that made me re-evaluate what i thought about relationships.

External_Pomelo939 · 2023-10-10T04:30:54+00:00

Back in 2017 I had gotten the cute Rican woman’s number at my job after we hit it off well the entire shift and after texting her a few times she ghosted me. Idk what it was about that (wasn’t a virgin and had had women interested in me) but that started my then journey into the “red pill”. AMS was the first person I watched. At this point in my life I don’t consume red pill content. It gets pretty repetitive and it didn’t help me a whole lot.

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Ok_Smile_60 · 2023-10-10T19:58:57+00:00

I wouldn’t call myself RP, but after the work over my ex wife did to me and red flags I should have noticed, I guess life would have turned out better if I had been

Lina-Inverse · 2023-10-10T20:57:35+00:00

Being bluepilled getting treated like trash in relationships and being cheated on and taken for granted for far too long.

I was doing all the things women said they wanted and all it resulted in was just tons of misery and me being walked all over. I'm the type who has never cheated on a partner and never will, but seems if you let your partner know that and feel too comfortable in that knowledge then it's just an open invitation to get cheated on and used.

Then it clicked, hey, maybe I should stop listening to what women say they want and just pay attention to their actual actions and what they respond positively to because a lot of the time what they say they want and what they actually do completely different. I genuinely do wonder if women are even aware they do this, but once you realise this it is the biggest game changer. Once a woman's words and actions stop aligning as far as I'm concerned the relationship is basically done and I start checking out and preparing to move on. I've seen how this plays out numerous times and I thanks to the redpill I don't get blindsided by this anymore.

The only sources that were teaching things like this were "red pill" content creators. All the usual blue pill garbage was telling me to do all the things I was currently doing that was just a disaster (ie listen to what women say, make them feel as comfortable and as stable as possible etc). All of this sounds like it should work, but it really does not. It is a sure fire recipe to being taken advantage of and result in being emotionally used. Some red pill content is far too extreme but a lot of it is just basic common sense that all guys should know.

I can see why some women would push blue pill advice as having emotionally weak men that can be easily used and abused probably benefits them but blue pill men offering blue pill advise is just mind boggling, I'd love to know what these guys are smoking.

MrBrittle · 2023-10-11T00:05:18+00:00

It was gradual.

* When I stopped becoming a simp, I left the friendzone and became more observant and rational in this matter;

* When I started having a relationship with my girlfriend, other women started to show interest in me;

* When I finally started dating, women started to treat me really well, the girl who left me in the friend zone started to hate my girlfriend and constantly praise me;

* I became a little overweight, but I also became much better off financially, and as a result I attracted considerable attention from older women, today I'm 32, but there are women almost 40 interested in me;

It all started when I stopped being a simp and started to have positive results in my life, gradually I started to look more negatively at bad women, including some that I idolized. To the same extent I began to have more respect for good women.

However, I also have a foot in BlackPill

Adding all of this and research on the internet, as well as retrospective analyzes of my life, I began to see how strong the following points are:

* Pre selection;

* Appearance is what really matters to women, while personality is just a bonus (As if appearance were the cake, and personality was the icing on the cake);

* AF/BB;

* Genuine attraction and negotiated attraction.

CalmNeedleworker3100 · 2023-10-11T08:13:39+00:00

I'm just kind of redpill. The moment for me was when I noticed feminists shaming age gap relationships. I could no longer call myself a feminist when most feminists call me a creep for wanting young women.

I also noticed that women aren't as amazing as feminists say. There are less female geniuses than male geniuses. Men seem more ambitious than women, idk I'm just guessing.

mitigated-disaster · 2023-10-14T09:12:34+00:00

How much time do you have? Lol

It was a culmination of many experiences (from watching lose all self respect because he us tall) but the one that really snapped it all in place was an ex only choosing to date me to get at a friend. She ended up actually falling for me, then came to her sense stating I wasn't attractive to be with long term. So she cheated and ghosted me. Even in the think of the relationship she was abusive.

But the red pill doesn't just warn of bad things...

I got jacked, money up etc. While she is now a single cat lady.

Title	For redpill men, What was the moment that made you go redpill
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Date	October 10, 2023 12:04 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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