Why do women need male spaces so badly?

nacho-chonky · 2024-01-12T06:39:11+00:00

Ya I never understood why women see something that’s OBVIOUSLY marketed by men for men, and decide that it needs to be changed so they feel included…. It is ok for women not to be the target demographic in every single fucking thing

DreamsCanBeRealToo · 2024-01-12T06:45:51+00:00

Women are attracted to money and status. Once a lot of men start directing a lot of money and attention at something (video games, football) that's where women will want to position themselves to intercept that attention. Women don't want to be in male spaces that aren't profitable (like video games were before streaming was possible).

Lumpy_Tangelo_9981 · 2024-01-12T09:30:50+00:00

The main thing people mention is wanting attention and money. True, but women are also afraid of male spaces because it's where men bond together and fraternize away from their prying eyes. It's the last place where they don't yet control the conversation and where male solidarity can develop. And destroying it is really easy as it turns out. Simply insert a woman and watch the fighting begin. Men will tear each other down for a crumb of pussy.

GhettoJamesBond · 2024-01-12T06:24:02+00:00

Always wanting attention from men they don't even wanna date.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-01-12T08:55:51+00:00

The last thing any woman wants is a space where men can come together, exclusively, and discuss male-related issues. They know that the conclusion is inevitable. Most male problems stem from women, their needs & wants, the treadmill of trying to keep them happy. Take a look at the output of cinema in the decade after WW2. It was all film noir, exposing women as devious and manipulative femme fatales... a result of barrack-room conversations, and returning from active service to find that your wife had also been actively serviced in your absence. It took until the mid-1950s before Hollywood could try to convince a new generation that women were wholesome Doris Days (before the birth control pill blew that myth apart). It's well known that women control all familial conditions (Briffault's Law). https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/201610/briffaults-law-women-rule

They need to control the conversation within that family also. They always did. Anytime there was a hint of male discontent, or a discussion getting too close to the truth, they'd always interject with some non-sequitur about someone getting engaged/married/having a baby/divorced/remarrying, etc. That's why they invaded the masonic lodges and golf clubs of the country, to exert their subtle control. "Don't waste your time being unhappy about things you can't change (especially now you have a wife & kids). Aren't you lucky to have a family, and starfish sex twice a month. Oh, Karen's daughter is going to have a baby....'

Darth-Zoolu · 2024-01-12T09:41:04+00:00

Why on earth would women try to build their own space instead of just invading men’s?

Savings_Builder_8449 · 2024-01-12T16:13:18+00:00

some women genuinely like and take part in those hobbies
those women get a lot of attention because "omg a girl and she likes nerdshit!"
other women want this attention but dont like nerdshit
the other women force their way into the hobby and make nerdshit more palatable to them
nerds no longer enjoy the new women-nerdshit and leave
male space closes down for lack of customers

Angryasfk · 2024-01-12T09:50:17+00:00

Why? It’s “complicated”.

For one, many women still think that “it’s a man’s world” and that if they cannot enter a man’s space, they’re somehow excluded from something that’s valuable/important.

Another is the “rules for thee, not for me” which feminism is a specialist in. Hence the “power plus prejudice” BS which they use to give themselves a licence to be bigots.

But ultimately it’s a fear of men, and what men are able to do, and the corollary is the diminishing of female capacity. They assume that men will always be dominant (this is implicit in this Patriarchy garbage) and hence if a group of men gather without women, then somehow it will be the group that runs society: even if it’s just a working man’s group.

It also, as I see it, shows that women’s groups are really just gossipy cliques, for all the garbage talk of “the sisterhood”. Feminists act as if only men’s groups have any importance, even the Men’s Sheds, whilst women’s groups are things you’d have to be paid to attend! Feminism actually degrades women and says that only men count, and that women have to “be men” to have any value. It would be a massive joke were it not for the horrible effect on regular guys who aren’t even able to socialise with their peers without these harpies trying to take over or shut it down - look at their attacks on the Super Bowl!

IceCorrect · 2024-01-12T09:34:34+00:00

They go for jobs that pay well and they get it easy because of quotas. They usually do artistic jobs in which they push their agenda which they learned in their liberal schools. They also want to push new look standard for women, that's why many of female characters looks exactly like their creators.

Friendly_Might_1348 · 2024-01-12T13:33:03+00:00

"Why do women need male spaces so badly?"

Because according to them men don't deserve any space at all. These women are self centered, EVERYTHING has to be around them!

"Men however, rarely go to female dominated avenues and ask for space or ask to them to change the space for us"

I think it needs to happen frequently. That will be fair IMO

Rad_Knight · 2024-01-12T09:30:11+00:00

We men don't demand women cater women dominated to us. We make our own spaces.

With blackjack and hookers.

Content_Eggplant_936 · 2024-01-12T06:38:53+00:00

Because woman can't handle anything that doesn't specifically cater to them

JustAnotherJoeBloggs · 2024-01-12T11:43:25+00:00

The end result is that the moment women appear in men's spaces the men leave and GTOW, while keeping in touch via internet.

WrongdoerWilling7657 · 2024-01-12T11:06:32+00:00

They can't let us enjoy anything. Bill Burr jokes about how women just can't be happy and they get jealous that we can just sit and enjoy shit.

MattR9590 · 2024-01-12T06:35:13+00:00

Yeah seriously. I don't care about women feeling insecure about best female characters like Bayonetta, ada wong , tifa and their outfits in my video games.

Not finding the simps you expected among gaming nerds?

MattR9590 · 2024-01-12T06:51:51+00:00

Attention

Morden013 · 2024-01-12T11:04:02+00:00

They don't want to be accommodated. They want to take it over, and you can fuck off / stay if you are needed to do the hard / undesirable work.

Sorry for the crude language, but it is what it looks like. The worst thing is, society and even law give them tools to achieve it (like gender-based laws).

The worst thing is - there is enough space for them to create their own thing / franchise...etc. There are enough creative women to make it happen, but no. Let's just steamroll everything men have, take it and ruin it (like Marvel franchise).

NearShowerMeow · 2024-01-12T07:44:25+00:00

They wish to destroy anything that brings us joy.

shmupsy · 2024-01-12T13:30:13+00:00

I made a post about this once.

My thought now is that the way forward is males coming together and creating explicit male spaces.

Clearly nothing implicit is safe in our society

UglyDude1987 · 2024-01-12T15:34:49+00:00

I've noticed that women have strong armed and forced their values into male spaces and it's ruining a lot of our art and culture. And there are men who are letting women do this all in the name of inclusivity.

That's the point

Content_Eggplant_936 · 2024-01-12T19:25:12+00:00

It's funny how they don't need men, but they have to butt in on EVERY males space that they find.

KochiraJin · 2024-01-12T07:50:53+00:00

It's part of tearing down male bonding to dismantle the patriarchy.

TheMastermind729 · 2024-01-12T06:59:10+00:00

Because we are not allowed to have anything.

NameIs-Already-Taken · 2024-01-12T09:54:44+00:00

There are many reasons, including women:
- want to be approached by men,
- overall are less feminine and wanting to do male things,
- are 'fighting the patriarchy' by inserting themselves in men's spaces.

There are probably others. I mostly "fight back" by avoiding women.

2024-01-12T12:13:10+00:00

It's very simple actually,they don't want men to essentially spent time with one another,cause if they do men generally end up with the same conclusions

4friedchicknsanacoke · 2024-01-12T12:48:55+00:00

The worst one for me was Boy Scouts. The lessons I learned in scouts as a boy helped shape who I am today. I was even guided to my career choice through my experiences in the scouts. Then girls got all up in arms cause Boy Scouts got to go camping and build fires and learn actual skills while Girls Scouts pretty much exist to sell cookies. Instead of fixing their group they demanded that we integrate ours thereby removing one of the few places boys and young men could interact with each other without female influence. Its maddening. My son showed interest in scouting so I took him to a meet and greet meeting and it was 50% girls. We left early.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2024-01-12T09:22:18+00:00

To me, the problem has never been inclusion of women. You either fit in or you don't, and there's always been a handful of women who fit right in with programmers, roleplayers, gamers and so forth. Hell even in gay bars there's been women that were there right from the get, without being fucking tourists for that matter. Even if it's true that many individual gatherings around <thing> might've turned out all male, it usually hasn't defined <thing> on the whole.

The real problem is politics. People (often women) with a SJW-agenda and a penchant for drama who infiltrate mostly-male spaces and shit all over. These are the same ones who tend to claim that male-heavy spaces are recruitment grounds for far-right extremists. Obviously, that is pure projection. They're the ones who want to enforce politics everywhere, demand that everything changes to placate to them.

I feel that my way of seeing it works, because it seems I've been able to tell who's an intruder and who isn't in every such place I've been.

CreatureOfTheStars · 2024-01-12T16:47:40+00:00

Because men are not allowed any spaces to themselves because those spaces automatically turn into some misogynistic frat pack.

/s

Also, BuT hIsToRy.

Successful_Video_970 · 2024-01-13T01:28:19+00:00

Woman have picked a great time in history for their moment to join in with everything that men have done. My boy is school captain at his grade 6 school and at Remembrance Day he had to do a short speech about world war 1?and how young men and women died in the trenches. I thought it was men and young boys that were in the trenches. Actually i reckon there would of been a lot more problems if there actually had been women in those trenches and please stop re writing history for the Me to feminist movement. Back in the day pirates did not let women on pirate ships as they caused problems. That is history. Some of those pirate ships were the first democratic systems in the planet and were the first to stand up against slavey also. I have been so annoyed by the gaslighting by feminists since I had my x wife put a domestic violence lie against me. Resulting in me not seeing or speaking with my children for over 4 months. I was the main parent before then as she had nothing to do with them until I was re engaged and 2 weeks later out of no where. Amazing everyone that knows us believed me and everyone else like the courts believe her. The worst thing though is that I have had proof of her lies on my phon for over a year and no one is interested in looking at it. Me to movement should be Men to movement.

shopinhower · 2024-01-12T07:55:01+00:00

This is why I support trans women invading female spaces. They did it to us first. Let’s see how they like it.

herp225577 · 2024-01-12T16:17:30+00:00

They don't want men coming together to bond, form friendships, and figuring out their servitude to gynocentrism. Same reason employers don't want employees talking about their salaries or gathering without them around.

_Matter_As_Machine_ · 2024-01-12T13:13:51+00:00

Women love safety. They openly admit that. At the same they don't like to stay at their kitchen, where they are safe. Instead they are trying to turn all the world into their kitchen.

Risk is needed for success and progress. They hate risks, but want success. So they "demand" "safe success" and that's what destroys "male space" - as men actually need risks.

Acousmetre78 · 2024-01-12T12:52:26+00:00

Often, they don't even really participate and they never built those fan bases. Women were never the primary demographic of comics and video games still are male dominated.

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2024-01-12T15:16:37+00:00

Power, control, money. Men cant have spaces that arent influenced by women because the older guys cant start deprogramming the younger ones while teaching them what to look for in a good woman.

PUMA-420 · 2024-01-12T16:34:12+00:00

That's why I have no issue with transwomen being in women's sports. They can deal with it.

liferelationshi · 2024-01-12T22:35:14+00:00

The best example of this I can think of is women/girls joining the BOY Scouts. I don’t know much about the Girl Scouts, but if they really want to do cool shit like go hiking and camping, why are they not capable of planning a trip themselves in their Girl Scout groups?

Sheikashii · 2024-01-13T02:41:45+00:00

How are women demanding video games change? Less bikini armor?

Itsdickyv · 2024-01-12T10:50:49+00:00

No idea why, but I’m surprised no-one has mentioned the Boy Scouts here yet. Women entering make spaces is less alarming to me than how we seemingly adjust to it and accept it so quickly.

I think there’s something in that - the lack of pushback is arguably as concerning as it happening in the first place.

TabulaRasa5678 · 2024-01-12T12:05:36+00:00

OP, I'm glad that you posted this. I just got into a game on my phone that is a part-time pvp game with a cash shop. It was fun... for a while. I've found that almost all of the guilds are led by women... and the men that are in the guilds, are largely simps. I watch the women in the guild man-bash in chat a lot. It's not all day, but it's way more than it should be. No man says a damn word, so I made a comment about women, and I was instantly kicked out of the guild. The worst thing? The men supported it! I was beyond pissed.

P.S. If there are any men here that are like this... thanks for nothing.

Mycroft033 · 2024-01-12T20:18:51+00:00

This reminds me of the Lego study they did a while ago to figure out how boys and girls play so they could market to each and make more money. They found that if you gave a boy a superhero toy like iron man, they would pretend to be iron man, and pretend to do iron man stuff, and tell stories around the character they were given. Then they gave girls superhero toys anc found that a girl would usually take the toy and force it into her plan of play, say making Batman go to a tea party. They didn’t care if it was against the character, they made the characters around the stories they wanted to tell.

I don’t think Lego intended on being prophetic.

putridwonderland · 2024-01-12T11:56:19+00:00

Female here: not sure I can concisely answer your question but from my observation and experience, all women want is to join the "good ole boys club". Not sure why as women spend so much lip service blubbering on about "women empowerment" and "lifting each other up", which is all bollocks, by the way. Women are the first to tear each other down.

In the corporate world, most women desire to be one of the boys. They don't care who they have to stomp on to get to the top. And a lot of the women that do make it to the top, have some sort of chip on their shoulders, especially towards other men and surprisingly, women.

Even in Boy Scouts. There have been lawsuits that now force the Boy Scouts organization to accept girls. Yet I don't see a bunch of little boys clamoring to join the Girl Scouts. I think at the end of the day, we women are massive hypocrites and society has morphed our beliefs into believing that we need to tear down the patriarchy from the inside rather than form our own "good ole girls club". This is something that is difficult for most women to admit, let alone acknowledge. Neo-feminists say they don't need men but apparently they do since they just want to be all up in your space, lol.

adam-l · 2024-01-12T09:43:21+00:00

It's the ol' Lebensraum.

2024-01-12T13:57:36+00:00

Go watch the original Brady Bunch, like the second or third episode, and it explains everything.

Imissyourgirlfriend2 · 2024-01-12T15:48:07+00:00

Power and control

NullIsUndefined · 2024-01-12T20:51:13+00:00

It's an ideology. A belief that mens spaces are what make them successful in society. This is untrue though, take anyone who gets their success through a traditional university degree. Most of their training and time is coming from a school environment which is for women and men.

This is partly why they want girls in boy scouts. But I have also heard parents say that girl scouts spend too much time fundraising and the boy scouts spend more time having fun. So that's another reason

harleypig · 2024-01-13T02:53:52+00:00

I can't find the source for this, but I remember hearing about a lawsuit by a woman demanding access to a men's club in Boston in the 80s because that's where all the power decisions were made.

She won, but with the caveat no rules would be changed.

She tried suing again after she discovered and was offended that a bunch of men were sitting around naked, smoking, and telling off-color jokes.

2024-01-13T04:46:55+00:00

I think the real purpose is to simply destroy the male spaces.

2024-01-15T00:48:18+00:00

They don't need Men's spaces, they just don't want Men to have their own spaces.

Tomcatmax · 2024-01-15T03:42:42+00:00

yall women are fun its sad that women don't get products marketed toward them that are fun. We get male perspective of women products targeted toward us because previously certain men dominated the workforce and women weren't guaranteed the same rights as men. Women care about having fun and games and sports and everything that you enjoy. What products you see marketed toward women are based on male perspective of women= weak, protected, only care about a woman's beauty. When this is not the case. We are monkeys that have evolved gender roles used to be dignified tasks for each that made us able to survive and in huge economy countries they don't serve a purpose anymore except in the case of childbirth and unfortunately war.

lowlyabject_turd · 2024-01-15T14:24:04+00:00

Maybe the issue is that things like comics, games, sports ect was primarily marketed for males when in reality hobbies are not and shouldn't be gender based. Not sure as to why women don't just create their own female spaces but then thought about it....males just created their own no girls allowed spaces originally because women/girls simply were not allowed to have hobbies other than cooking, cleaning and bearing children.....because of males. I can't help but think the history of things accessible only to males is what drives females to want to snuff it out asap in fear of not being allowed in any bars or clubs due to having a vagina. Again

thatGIANToutside · 2024-01-17T04:33:02+00:00

This question has been asked for generations believe it or not. About a hundred years ago the male spaces was men's only clubs where men would talk about their problems or other subjects like politics business and the likes. Women took over those spaces with federal laws. Men used to gather at cigar bars. Men used to gather at the barber shop. Men used to gather and every time they did women made sure they could go as well. Now that Men are showing up in their spaces it's a problem. Like the men who went to the women's only hiring fair. Men finally found a way to give them back exactly what they have given us for ever and for some reason men are still the evil ones. Either way we was the problem. Funny there is no problems when men gather without women until women show up.

2025-05-03T05:59:46+00:00

Well, we definetly made them understand what they've done to us in recent years. Think about trans men getting in female sports, gyms, locker rooms, toilets, and so forth, because some male lunatics claim "they identify as female". Many women lost good money or even their whole sport careers becaus of this. So yea, feels like we gave them back some, idk if it's enough to make it even, but it's something.

Putrid_Knowledge9527 · 2025-07-23T02:21:54+00:00

Men in general pose a unique risk to women that isn't present the other way around. Men are generally stronger and heavier, and therefore are more likely to be able to overpower us. Men can rape and impregnate us.

Not at men will do this or even want to, but the overall risk remains as we don't know which men are safe and which are not, so this is why we have female-only spaces. The principle is, good men stay out so bad men stand out.

As for amab queers (espec trans women) the risk that this particular subset of men pose is not decreased compared to men in general. It's also a massive red flag in itself that they demand access to female-only spaces that they know aren't really for them. And it's an imposition on women, to expect us even in the best case to accept our spaces being repurposed as therapeutic settings for dysphoric men.

The idea that it is "anti-trans" or "transphobic" to be opposed to this imposition is just a way of attempting to shut women up who object. I won't be guilt tripped. However, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts if you have a reasonable and civil disagreement with this.

RalfMurphy · 2024-01-12T11:42:47+00:00

OP is my hero

John_Bones23 · 2024-01-12T14:18:07+00:00

Daddy issues and for attention

Korvar · 2024-01-12T14:38:35+00:00

I do question why "comic shops" and "video games" should be male-dominated spaces. I don't see why women can't want to read comics and play video games?

Cwash415 · 2024-04-10T05:01:24+00:00

women NATURALLY want access to everything, not just our spaces but also our time an attention...i had a gf who got mad at me that i played a mobile game for only 5 minutes, it didnt matter that i spent the WHOLE day with her , she wanted every second of my attention on her ...they just want everything all the time

TessaBrooding · 2024-01-12T20:06:55+00:00

“Invading spaces” by liking the same things and getting involved in the respective communities?

In that case men also invade women’s spaces, make-up for example.

barkmagician · 2024-01-12T15:51:34+00:00

From an evolutionary aspect, a woman who is not at the center of men's attention is a woman less likely to have multiple options, thus less freedom of picking her "provider and protector". Fewer attention = fewer potential suitors. Being the center of attention is a MUST for majority of women.

Whether thats a good thing or bad, I honestly dont know. And I'll abstain from picking a side on this one before some feminitard tries to attack me for simply stating facts.

2024-01-12T22:49:37+00:00

Good then let me and transgender use women s restroom s

asianfoodtofulover · 2024-01-12T15:17:00+00:00

Well if she likes those things, what’s wrong with joining those spaces?

Content_Eggplant_936 · 2024-01-12T12:39:58+00:00

I think women deserve to say that "male spaces" like comic books conventions shouldn't be sexually harassing them for being women.

Early_Inspector988 · 2024-01-12T08:07:08+00:00

Maybe women don't want men's spaces, maybe women want to indulge in their hobbies. Women have always liked comics, they've always liked video games and they've always liked sports. Telling women they're for men and kicking them out is unreasonable. There absolutely should be a place for men to meet together, and they can have that. But the whole "no girls allowed" thing is juvenile and silly.

Jobin10 · 2024-01-12T06:29:07+00:00

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I cringe at you using the term “male spaces”. That isn’t a thing. Who cares if women like things that are traditionally masculine?

kit-kat315 · 2024-01-12T08:39:43+00:00

Video games and comics books aren't "spaces" at all- they're products. Going after the largest possible market is just smart business on the part of creators. If inclusiveness wasn't profitable, they wouldn't do it.

reverbiscrap · 2024-01-12T06:19:59+00:00

The curious, very western coded deification of male coded power and pasttimes.

Edit: do yall not understand what I'm saying, considering this post is getting downvotes, but the next post explaining it in detail is getting upvotes. Like goddamn 😑

Final-Attempt95 · 2024-01-12T10:41:36+00:00

Most of the times it's because men wants women in those spaces in the first place. Despite what they say the need for female attnetion&company is too great for some people.

2024-01-12T11:25:09+00:00

Women have always partaken in these activities. We just did it privately before.

The extreme response to this supposed invasion (Gamer Gate) is disproportionate to what's actually happening. That is, girls aren't private about their nerdy hobbies anymore.

And I think you'll find the number of men heading fashion companies, partaking in the online makeup community, and such means you just haven't bothered to acknowledge how both men and women partake in both supposedly masc and femme hobbies.

This is the problem with this subreddit. It's a circlejerk of misinformation.

Content_Eggplant_936 · 2024-01-12T13:07:11+00:00

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queenAlexislexis · 2024-01-13T03:52:15+00:00

I agree and it’s gets annoying lol that i decided to just stay home.

WildernessBarbie · 2024-01-13T08:00:01+00:00

In order to better understand, what is it specifically that you feel women are demanding be changed about comic books, video games, sports? What are the particular needs and wants that you think they have that those spaces lack?

If you were to go a female dominated space, what kind of changes would you want to be made to better accommodate you and your needs?

2024-01-13T12:13:30+00:00

I still think the UN should initiate the MASTER PLAN😈. Either evacuate Africa, send the global male population there, police the border with AI drones and sentries, we send sperm out, they send baby boys in, we trade resources via hyperloop and drone piloted airships. The internet is shared between men and women for porn, all other sites are seperated.

There you go, mans space womens space. Or if Musk gets his shit the gether we can do the women folk even better and go to Mars 👽🚀🧑‍🚀

Title	Why do women need male spaces so badly?
Author	Content_Eggplant_936
Upvotes	601
Comments	253
Date	January 12, 2024 6:16 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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