MONEY, LETS BE HONEST!

Kommoncents1 · 2021-12-24T21:29:54+00:00

It’s certainly become LESS important than it was historically. Women can make just as much as men and oftentimes significantly more (in the US women in their 20s make more than men) - so I think there’s a major trend in the direction of money not being in the top 3 most important factors to seduction.

However, a LACK OF money is still absolutely huge. But I think for simply practical purposes mostly. Like if you don’t have your own place or can’t afford to go do fun things, why would anyone want to date you? Also it often it shows a lack of ambition and drive.

Now if we’re talking in the multi-millions - that’s going to be a bit of a different story. You will attract more women at the average, but I don’t think it’ll make a huge difference to high quality women (smart, funny, kind).

This is data passed on from having many close girlfriends who I talk to about this stuff.

creative_i_am_not · 2021-12-24T21:24:20+00:00

Money helps but once you earn decent money, are set, have a place of your own, can go on holidays, having way more won't matter most of the time (if you are attractive in other aspects), unless you want to attract women that are attracted by money.

Dicaprio is a bad example though because more than money (see: Leonardo vs bezos) it's the fact that he is hot and one of the best at what he does at something society values a lot (entertainment).

kuavi · 2021-12-24T23:37:29+00:00

Money matters for seduction in terms of how much you decide it makes you a HVM for having/not having a lot of it as well as how important ambition and to a lesser degree stability is for women you're into.

The prim and proper lady dressed to the nines in nyc will be looking for financial success while the barefoot hippie out west wont care as much if at all.

JohnyBlack · 2021-12-24T23:32:52+00:00

Yeah money absolutely matters. When you are younger it seems to matter a bit less. But once she’s 22 and above….. it fucking matters.

So when you say money matters, what exactly do you mean? I think there are two general money concepts. One is the gold digger, the other is women wanting successful men. A gold digger, obviously, will focus 100% on the money. I think the leanardo dicaprios ladies fall under this area generally. They aren’t banging a 50 year old cause he is sooooo cute. The other area is success, woman want a man that is a little successful. And all else equal, they will prefer the man that makes 200k over 100k.

GlitterSnatchCyTex · 2021-12-24T21:09:10+00:00

I wish money mattered to me. I’d be better off if it did.

JustDullokay · 2021-12-24T22:09:34+00:00

Money is everything, when you don’t have it , its the only thing

Mr_ambitiouz · 2021-12-24T22:49:40+00:00

Money doesn't matter!*

*After you have a lot of it. It matters a heck of a lot if you don't have money.

PSM182 · 2021-12-24T21:10:35+00:00

Tons of people are going to comment “oh money doesn’t mean anything”. I mean let’s he completely honest here, if you have money, you are guaranteed at least one girl.

Let’s say you make $150k a year. You’ve got money, but your not rich. You still have a great lifestyle that will attract a female. So yes there are things other than money, but you will certainly get girls if you have money. Money stands for a lot more than just your bank account balance

Alex_O7 · 2021-12-24T22:47:43+00:00

Being honest money doesn't matter at all. There are 2 things that matter related to money: 1st money gives power (in general) and power matter way more than money. 2nd money tends to give better life experiences so helps making a more interesting lifestyle that will help with girls.

loosemon · 2021-12-24T22:09:01+00:00

It matters but as others have said it's definitely not the golden ticket a lot of guys think it is. A lot of women now have really good careers and don't NEED your money per se BUT they are attracted to the ambition and confidence that often (yes often, as a lot of guys who make a lot of money can't pull for shit) comes with a guy that makes a lot of money.

Generally speaking women like to be "led" even though they may not admit it and they would like to date someone who does "more" than they do. A lot in the dating world call this dating up.

Overall, even though on paper I have a good career, I make good money, I've gone to good schools, I NEVER make this the focus of my conversations when I'm talking to women. I'm trying to win them over with my personality and I hope that they're physically attracted to me.

So overall, it matters, but don't rely on it and keep working on your personality.

burncushlikewood · 2021-12-24T23:16:07+00:00

It's no secret they women are attracted to wealthy men, money can afford you many luxuries in life, but there are some people that earn a lot and are broke, and some who earn less but save well. I think women aren't just attracted to money, but the personality traits that go with rich men, people who are passionate about their careers and doing well in life. You'll watch those gold digger pranks where women lose their minds over guys with Lambos or Ferraris or whatever. I think women want a mentor in life, someone who can help them with education/university and lead them to a high paying job, men who impact the people/women around him to help her to become wealthy. Money is associated with power, and men with money are able to take care/protect their offspring, which is very attractive to females

Woujo · 2021-12-25T00:59:52+00:00

I address this in the book I am writing:

One of the most common platitudes in the dating world is that women only (or primarily) care about money. This is a terrible thing to believe because men who believe this platitude often end up becoming ATMs for women who take their money and then run off to have sex with other men who actually stimulate their emotions. Having resources is one of many characteristics of the alpha male, but just having money is not enough to sustain attraction. Again, money is only attractive to women because it subconsciously indicates the man is an alpha male and is competent enough to defeat the relevant challenges and obtain resources. Numerous scientific studies have shown that women prefer a man who is broke but competent over a man who is rich but incompetent. This makes perfect evolutionary sense: a man with 10 bananas and no ability to get new bananas is less attractive than a man who feels like he can go into the jungle and get infinite bananas whenever he wants.

Pres-Bill-Clinton · 2021-12-25T02:43:43+00:00

Men with a college education and a good job are now in the drivers seat. Women will not marry below their stature. Women make up 60% of the colleges. So 6-4 ratio. That is pretty damn good if you are a guy. But it gets better. Let’s say some pair up. Now it is 5-3. And more pair up. Now it is 4-2. That is right. By the time you hit 30’s there are twice as many available college educated women as men.

Plus the college educated man has no issue with a non-college educated woman. So the entire pool is available to a male.

What a time to be alive.

Canadian-Seductioner · 2021-12-24T22:31:13+00:00

The more money you have, the easier it is to get laid and the hotter the women you'll be able to meet.

That being said, you can still have a very fulfilling sex life with an average amount of money, you don't need to be rich to get laid. If you want to make it easier to get supermodels though, you'll need more money than the average guy.

driller20 · 2021-12-24T23:13:31+00:00

You can see how it works by looking at the di caprio/bezos incident.

dylbuns · 2021-12-25T01:12:37+00:00

I think I remember reading a survey (or something like that) which stated that most women (in either aus or the us) wouldn’t date a guy earning less than 28k. Once you get around the 70-75k mark it becomes exponentially less important. So as long as you’re somewhere in between those two values, it’s not a huge factor.

Hope that helps

NattyGains4Life · 2021-12-25T02:09:58+00:00

I think it’s more about status rather than specifically money

They come hand in hand, but it’s the celebrity status, the movie star status, the confident walk, the “high value” percieved

Adventurous_Gene_692 · 2021-12-25T05:05:17+00:00

Money gives you access and let's you hit on the 10s which you could never do before that's it. If you are a millionaire you are invited to more events where there might be supermodels etc so that's the only advantage with money as such

aidsjohnson · 2021-12-25T05:51:16+00:00

It obviously definitely helps. A dude with more money has more options and can show em a better time. He'd have to be a real boring piece of shit to fuck something like that up. If you have money you can take a woman to the Eiffel Tower or some shit like that and let your money do most of the work for you.

david10277 · 2021-12-26T08:18:49+00:00

Money gives you more options Options give you freedom Freedom gives you power Power gets you pussy

Example Take her to a local pool or Turks and Caicos If we both invite her which one would she be intrigued by ? What do you think ?

Of course if plays a part, it plays a large subconscious part that most people are not willing to admit to. It is a life hack. Chase money the pussy will follow. Once you find out what a women enjoys and you can expose/treat her to it, you can fuck her.

Who ever says money doesn't matter is rich already or is in some 3rd dimension.

Leonardo is not stupid..hes 50 with 20yrs olds all day.

Key is finding out there desire..if you can make that a reality (which usually requires money) she is yours. Not saying it's all that matters but its bypasses alot of hurdles.

Life Hack as follows .. Women fuck once there is a emotional connection. emotional connection are created from experience money funds the experience.

Fund it and your fucking..

Ryu_Saki · 2021-12-24T22:18:33+00:00

It does have some effect on it and it definitly plays a part in it all. I for a fact would have better success if i had it better finacially because I can't even afford a date as it is right now.

majorfuckboy · 2021-12-25T07:27:21+00:00

I'll be honest, money has helped me get more women. Hold up, and hear me out.

Being self-made does get you more real women who enjoy company of driven men and men with integrity.

Money spent well, helps you develop a better personality. Traveling to foreign countries, having a good dressing sense, and knowing the places that serve good food and wine also helps impress women as all this make for great conversations. Women have loved exploring places with me in cities they lived their entire life and had no clue about the hidden gems or hole in the wall kind of places.

Also, even if it's just a casual relationship for a woman, I've found them to feel more secure to be with a man who is well settled in his ways even if it's the woman who is hosting the man.

In all my years of partying and womanising I've seen more rich boys and men who have travelled abroad, and drive imported cars but with the personality of a dry wall only get women who like them because they buy them the latest iPhone and wouldn't mind hopping to a guy with a bigger car.

So while money helps, it's about how it positively impacts your personality.

TheTruth221 · 2021-12-24T23:33:27+00:00

100%

skyrunner22 · 2021-12-25T01:43:54+00:00

Money is important but never lead with your money! Guys tend to think if they lead with money you will get results, and some do but they will most likely be gold digger types and you will be a sweet mark for someone.

You make money to invest in yourself and it will make you more attractive. Build your world that someone wants to be a part of. Money helps by getting your logistics in check, being able to go to fun places and fun dates, having access to healthy food and nice gyms, going out to socialize, nice clothes, broad social circle, etc. All of this is made easier with money, remember use the money to invest in yourself. Never lead with your wallet, women are very detail oriented, they will see how you carry yourself and be attracted, you dont have to do too much

CenaSmackDown · 2021-12-25T01:50:38+00:00

I think money is a big factor, but chicks aren't into rich assholes as much as guys think. We always think money makes up for bad game then we all of a sudden need to be a billionaire to get a gf. You could buy her a cheap $20 gift or flowers every once in awhile, and more expensive jewelry or stuff on her birthday and she will probably be happy.

Mr_ambitiouz · 2021-12-25T04:34:05+00:00

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Adventurous_Card_144 · 2021-12-25T04:48:48+00:00

Depends of a lot of factors/context. I'll over simplify with two scenarios.

1st

If you go to a 3rd world spot, say Latin America, Asia (not Japan, China, South Korea), some parts of Eastern Europe, etc AND you know how to portrait wealth without being obvious about it, I can assure you it does a lot of the game for you. Happens as well in 1st world countries (and you will need serious money, not only "some") but less than in 3rd world countries for sure.

2nd

Logistics.

The thing money really helps with is logistics. My game has gotten better over the years, but one of the reasons I get laid a lot is I can set my logistics pretty much how I want them where I go game.

If I go to a club, I don't look at how much is it. I just get in.

Every time I rent an airbnb as close as possible, sometimes right in front. it is infinitely easier to pull to a location that's 3 minute away from the club than spending 30 minutes Ubering your way out to an apartment in the hood where you have 5 roomies. (it's not impossible, it is also not an excuse, and it is a fun experience!)

You wanna take a girl to a date? just one? c'mon let's do five per week, no problem!

Next is you can rent a place that actually looks comfortable. Where people feel at ease to have intimacy if they decide to. That's usually not the case when you don't have money, though the stories are funny and again: it is not an excuse not to try to pull.

Final point is you can go where the girls you like are. And I mean not a specific club, but go international. The entire planet becomes your club. Real Tinder global.

Money is really important if you are going to take cold approach seriously. That said, your game will always be more important, and money starts being less important past a point (tbf it does still matter, but most of us will never get to the point it starts to be exponentially important again so that it matters to us).

It is way more important to get your game down, even if that means being poor for a few years. The lessons you are going to learn (like learning how to build your own logistics from scratch, without money) are worth it.

i_love_crazy_hobos · 2021-12-25T04:51:40+00:00

All of the game community and instructors are basically unanimous that girls are not out digging for gold really. Girls want to see a successful man, but it's not because they want money spent on them necessarily. A successful man indicates status, power, ability to provide, to take care of the girl, etc.

I think making money is a great idea. It's great to have money. But not having money is not an excuse for not approaching girls, and you can certainly fuck girls and have a girlfriend without money. Theres tons of examples of guys out there.

I'd say go and make money to improve your own life. It will improve your confidence, and more confidence is what will help in game. If you can't, then forget about it and go after the girls anyway. You'll still get great results if you persist at game and learn and grow and go out a ton.

rewinder909 · 2021-12-25T06:35:41+00:00

Money and status only becomes important with age. For a 20 yo girl it's not very important, but for a 30 yo it becomes more important.

Blackmetalpenguin90 · 2021-12-25T12:46:36+00:00

I'm not a "wealthy" guy by any means, but compared to my country's standards I'm in the top 3-4% of earners. My experience has been that the only differences this makes compared to making average or less money is that you can afford more interesting activities to do with a girl. Probably if you are top 0.1% it's a very different world, but at reasonable levels where most of us are I don't think it makes much of a difference.

ChoppedBelAir · 2021-12-25T13:03:59+00:00

Once you start using money to get any kind of interaction it makes your relationship transactional. You will always have to pay up for any kind of interaction. Better off to leave money out unless you're going for a couple hit and quits. Even still better to have game than buy your way in

Shadow__Account · 2021-12-25T13:44:27+00:00

People keep bringing it up, it's a factor, not a big one but nonetheless it still is one.

hookedonfonicsmunky · 2021-12-25T13:55:58+00:00

I always think my money is the issue but then i realize how many fucking dweebs pick up dimes at the bar, without knowing anything of each others careers..... know what i'm sayin

No-Historian-6391 · 2021-12-25T14:23:00+00:00

Money makes everything easier

ebmnm · 2021-12-25T15:35:05+00:00

Money matters but money alone will not get you girls. A broke good looking dude with good game will get more

NeighborhoodDry4006 · 2021-12-25T16:47:44+00:00

I’m new to the dating/seduction scene, but as someone who’s been broke as hell trying to get confidence to talk to women, I think I’d feel a lot better being able to go “Hey let me take you to dinner, my treat.” Compared to me hoping she’d be fine with Ramen. I wouldn’t say it’s important to everyone, but it’s definitely a confidence booster.

Kayleonie · 2021-12-25T18:16:31+00:00

It works a lot on uneducated women or women on low paying jobs. I just got a date with a cashier on my way out of groceries in a business attire. I felt like I was some sort of King as I looked down on other guys at the grocery store. I am still an intern so I don’t make a lot of money but it is already allowing me to buy nice things (custom made suits, coat etc).

MA_CA_NV_CA · 2021-12-25T19:09:27+00:00

I’m not a bazillionaire but I have a high income and enough in the bank not to worry. The main thing I notice about having money compared to when I didn’t is my confidence, sense of self worth, lack of neediness and abundance mindset. My job and the pursuit of money provides me plenty of purpose and meaning. Im not looking to fill a hole in my life with women and they can sense that outcome independence and lack of neediness. I am attractive, have my shit together and have generally good social skills but don’t have super tight game or anything like that. It still doesn’t come easy for me with women. I only really go after the girls I think are top 10-20% who really inspire me. It’s still a lot of pursuit, rejection, flakes, BS and dates that don’t go anywhere interspersed with successes and regulars.

To be clear I don’t flaunt money or spend a lot on dates.

RoseTinted64 · 2021-12-26T05:29:27+00:00

It absolutely has a major affect. But be careful, I don’t think it elevates genuine desire.

partofthecharm · 2021-12-26T11:51:28+00:00

Maybe more than having money it's about how planned you are in your expenses. Personally, I'd rather date someone who looks like he can make rational decisions with his money than a guy who shows up in a Lamborghini wearing some posh suit and Rolex.

britishgent60 · 2021-12-27T17:21:25+00:00

I wouldn’t say it makes a difference. If I’m honest, you can’t show wealth over tinder etc. And if you do it just looks like you are showing off.

I’d consider myself wealthy for my age, but if I’m honest 90% of women don’t care what job you have. And on dating apps are only concerned about looks. When I was on these apps I got very few likes because I’m average looking.

Title	MONEY, LETS BE HONEST!
Author	Mr_ambitiouz
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Date	December 24, 2021 9:08 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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