Equality at its finest.

Jaleth · 2013-02-25T03:43:36+00:00

Well, there is a series on violence against men. And the page you linked to has a "Violence Against Men" section in it. I think this is more of the semantics-style of inequality, but I have only just skimmed through the page, so I stand a good chance of being wrong.

kc311man · 2013-02-25T04:17:06+00:00

Just because a Wikipedia article is part of a series, does not mean that it is only relevant to that series. For instance, Honor Killing is in that same series but that article is also part of a series on Homicide.

ZimbaZumba · 2013-02-25T03:19:01+00:00

As Wiki pages go on these type of issues, that is a better one.

rawbface · 2013-02-25T13:46:22+00:00

This is stupid. The article itself is gender neutral, it just happens to be linked to a series specifically about violence against women. False outrage is no way to make our cause.

2013-02-25T05:31:42+00:00

this may be more appropriate for /r/MensRants

Nomenimion · 2013-02-25T13:55:48+00:00

"Economic deprivation"? Like when the government orders you to pay $120,000 per year in child support?

themountaingoat · 2013-02-25T12:46:44+00:00

I've spent my time in the trenches of Wikipedia, and let me tell you, the templates are where the worst POV nonsense gets plastered.

Article organizations, categorization, and templating are generally above the normal standards of Wikipedia. All it does is organize existing stuff, so there's no criteria for bias it has to fit. There are some abuses that happen in just about all subject matter areas. If you make a template someone can't put [citation needed].

Oh, and this subreddit might like this, the Wikimedia blog has a large series of posts about women. https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/women/

There's a valid point that women contribute to the internet less than men. The vast majority of Wikipedia is written by men. The right answer, however, I think is equalizing the expectations we place on girls and boys in education so that stupid social inhibitions won't keep one gender from participating in things later in life.

SpanishGuy · 2013-02-25T12:32:25+00:00

It seems like they've changed it, I see another sidebar.

Take a look at this edit.

Revision as of 08:14, 25 February 2013

(Don't know what timezone is that)

Coinin · 2013-02-25T14:36:34+00:00

It's wikipedia. If you don't like it, change it.

Kuonji · 2013-02-25T03:39:27+00:00

There's significantly more feminist presence on Wikipedia than MRA presence. This will ensure that the slants remain as they are.

squirtlekin · 2013-02-25T04:01:54+00:00

Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral source. If it includes a series on VAW, it should include a series on VAM as well. Otherwise, you're suggesting that DV and other acts are gendered crimes.

AnonTheAnonymous · 2013-02-25T21:54:21+00:00

How did this get taken off the front page of reddit?

MinimaL_SC · 2013-02-25T07:12:46+00:00

This is not a men's rights issue. This is retarded nitpicking bullshit and why this subreddit is a useless piece of shit.

mrshootzy · 2013-02-25T09:04:24+00:00

Well it is Wikipedia so if the page isn't locked anyone can change things.

thingamabobby · 2013-02-25T10:20:45+00:00

As much as I agree that there needs to be equal footing in this issue, I guess I personally look at the history of domestic violence.

It used to be a predominately female victim base that has this issue, hence why the concepts of feminism have come around and flourished with time. While females had worked towards this equal right caper, something changed. The dynamics behind relationships changed and thus domestic violence changed. It's just there hasn't been enough awareness, discussion, law put into place for this particular issue, and men are left in the dark. History needs to catch up, basically.

It fucking sucks that this isn't more of a 'hey, men get this shit, too!', but this takes time. Keep on discussing this with other males, let them know they're not alone and that they can speak up against this shit. Just as women didn't speak up in the 19somethingsomething's, it's now time for men to start digging in their heels, reporting this violence and not feeling ashamed of it either. Get laughed at by a cop? Demand another. A friend tells you to suck it up, be a man? Tell him that you're a human being, not some punching bag.

Somethingsomethingsomething.

tohuw · 2013-02-25T15:41:54+00:00

If you see inequality, contribute immediately to change.

Join the discussion on the talk page to suggest reform and push for an RFC.

Tip: Don't just write in a "me too", but definitely bring suggestions and clarifications to the item that are usable in revising the article. Remember that talk pages are not general discussion forums on the topic.

JabJabSplash · 2013-02-25T15:44:16+00:00

That's ridiculous. Way to lose any credibility people.

2013-02-25T21:18:07+00:00

Well then quit complaining and edit it

HoundDogs · 2013-02-25T22:37:36+00:00

One could make the case that, when discussing rape, it does behoove people to dedicate a larger portion of the attention to female rape, as it is, by far, the most common. In terms of domestic abuse, including physical and psychological abuse, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to give abuse against women the lions share of the attention.

Coinin · 2013-02-26T04:01:05+00:00

Brigade warning btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/196wft/on_an_article_about_the_lack_of_female_wikipedia/

frazzleddd · 2013-02-26T06:09:09+00:00

In a somewhat similar note a screenshot i just took. Thanks google... http://imgur.com/QYWJQdL

NothingCrazy · 2013-02-25T09:25:17+00:00

When you cry about semantics, you realize you're doing the same shit the "HERSTORY" feminists are doing, right?

Coinin · 2013-02-25T20:18:02+00:00

I think this is a misconception of how wikipedia works: Articles are often grouped into series based on topicality. On any individual article's page it'll have information in the right hand sidebar about the rest of the series. This doesn't necessarily mean that the article only contains information relating to the subject matter of that series or that it can't be a part of another series, just that it's relevant to that one.

That said, wikipedia is like anywhere else and acknowledgement of anti-male DV is rare as hen's teeth.

MiniTick · 2013-02-25T04:22:22+00:00

Also, note that "rape" is included there.

willmaster123 · 2013-02-25T17:41:03+00:00

Millions of women are mercilessly beaten by their husbands every day, often resulting in murder or rape.

Women don't have rights in many 3rd world countries, and they are oppressed and sometimes murdered by the tens of thousands in the middle east.

Women are now becoming a tool of war in Africa, with hundreds of thousands of rapes being recorded as African soldiers use rape as terrorism.

Women can't make their own decisions in other countries while men can, and so to say that men have it worse than women around the world is one of the most ignorant things you can say.

I believe that we should be fighting for the issues where men truly do suffer, such as divorces or when a man's life is ruined when he is wrongfully labelled a pedophile. Or when a man is raped, uncommon, but traumatizing and often dismissed by authority. However to post something like this and try to say that men are 'just as victimized' by women as women are victimized by men in a domestic relationship makes me wonder where we cross the line in terms of how extreme a mens rights group could get.

/r/mensrights, please don't become the thing you try so hard to fight.

DavidByron · 2013-02-25T05:54:32+00:00

Part of a series exemplifying sexism against men and bias in wikipedia.

EndlessB · 2013-02-25T10:47:29+00:00

Show me an example of a man being physically beaten by his spouse please. I hate to say if but you guys are fighting for something that is pretty much irrelevant. Why not fight for better rights in custody battles where it might make a difference and is an actual issue?

Joseph_Broebbels · 2013-02-25T13:00:33+00:00

Circlejerk at its finest.

This place is as bad as /r/atheism sometimes.

Title	Equality at its finest.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	856
Comments	205
Date	February 25, 2013 3:12 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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