Which, If any, parts of TRP do you consider to be morally wrong or using the wrong tone, yet factually correct or efficient?

bonusfruit · 2019-08-04T01:21:40+00:00

Last minute resistance.

If you push through a lot of times the woman will back down and you’ll get your sex, but a lot of times it’s because women are more agreeable and conflict avoidant and generally we want to not upset the people we are dating, so they end up doing something they feel badly about later.

I still think this is something women need to be aware of and take responsibility for and learn to stand their ground in these situations, but I do think that this lack of awareness some women and men have in these situations can contribute to the whole regret rape accusations.

Reisiluu · 2019-08-04T10:43:08+00:00

My main criticism is the purest, undiluted hypocrisy to condemn women who don't marry a man in their prime and simultaneously lie to plates about commitment. Zero integrity and self awareness. If all these women are really enjoying the CC to the fullest then it shouldn't even be necessary to deceive the few who want something lasting.

Intentionally lying to a person, undermining their life choices, betraying their trust and wasting time they will never get back is immoral. To give a comparison, men who pretend to be looking for a monogamous LTR are the same level of trash as the people who lie about birth control.

boomcheese44 · 2019-08-04T08:53:12+00:00

The deceptive nature in how they spin plates. Some here have admitted they outright lie to get the sex they want while dangling commitment. You can spin plates without being a douchebag if you are good looking enough and dont have autism.

misunderstood_9gager · 2019-08-04T09:05:00+00:00

Easily The Dread Game.

Emotional Manipulation do work on weak willed people (I am talking about both men and women here actually), and if you are extremely good at it, on people that are not very weak willed.

The issue with it is of course the morality of it. Emotional Manipulation to the degree that Red Pillers use on LTR IS emotional abuse, and that is Morally Wrong.

But it does work.

concacanca · 2019-08-04T01:49:31+00:00

AF/BB is essentially just saying that women reprioritise away from purely alpha traits and start to demand more stability and provisioning as they grow older and more experienced. Pretty accurate although it lacks the nuance to say that this can (and probably most frequently does) occur with the same dude.

Modern red discourse on it has been poisoned by MGTOW to the point where it seems that women literally hurl themselves at the best looking guys and then find some totally different class of schlub later on for the beta stuff.

rumple5skins · 2019-08-04T02:13:55+00:00

AWALT, because no, NAWALT, but many women do go through a phase in their life where they are like that. The majority of the ones who do this always grow out of it and settle down eventually and look back on those days and cringe, like guys do about certain 20s bro antics.

If a woman doesn’t grow out of it, she’s severely mentally ill and you should avoid them like the plague, not try to game your way into their pants. But then TRPs do try to bang them anyway because they think AWALT and it’s just what you have to deal with if you want to fuck women, and then when these women behave according to the faulty model, they take that as confirmation of AWALT because of selection bias.

azngirl7689 · 2019-08-04T01:13:33+00:00

“She’s not yours, it’s just your turn”

So it’s true. No one is “yours”. What’s off putting is the tone. Like why not just say “things end, it’s not the end of the world, Lots of fish in the sea yadda yadda.” That comes off way less bitter. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. And always keep a strong sense of self. That’s it. No need for all this misogynistic wahmen suck crap.

Icunvme66 · 2019-08-04T02:23:19+00:00

This is actually a really good question. To me, the issue with TRP is that it’s just fundamentally incomplete. It breaks down our evolutionary nature really well, but we’re so much more than our evolutionary instincts. We have a human spirit, which is what separates us from animals. It’s like having 2 different operating systems running within us at the same time.

This is why TRP can never and should never be an ideology for you because it only speaks to one element of you. We override our evolutionary nature all the time and so do women.

I believe TRP is so seductive to so many men because it allows them to just focus on the part of women that’s the most obvious. The part they can respond to because it shows up the clearest in day to day situations and men in general tend to do better with things that are more tangible.

So most of it does sound bad because nature is ruthless and our evolutionary nature is ruthless because it’s job is to ensure our survival. And most of it is factually correct. It’s just limited to one aspect of what it means to be human, and because of that it will only be able to take you so far.

fevertree · 2019-08-04T11:03:12+00:00

The advice to red pill women to “STFU”. That’s how they talk to their allies.

boundarychimps · 2019-08-04T05:39:59+00:00

The part where they don't care at all about polluting the social environment.

They even acknowledge this a little bit, in recognizing that some tactics are a bad idea in smaller social scenes where you probably will run into the same women and their friends again and again. So it's not just lack of awareness that they're obnoxious, they explicitly don't consider it their problem.

we-are-men-with-ven · 2019-08-04T07:16:47+00:00

Like religion, it gives simple answers to complicated questions. In reality, such questions have complicated answers.

fevertree · 2019-08-04T04:07:14+00:00

Nah I think that Red Pill is based on Junk Science and that most of what gets posted comes with a massive subjective reinterpretation attached.

As Atlas B Shruggin said one time, Red Pill is a belief system not science, it's just that many of them believe that the science supports their beliefs. I think AFBB is probably the most factually incorrect idea you have, and I think that the concept of Hypergamy is entirely based on Red Pill's subjective belief that women are worth less than women universally think they are, it's based entirely on Red Pill's subjective judgment of what a woman is worth and not any science, I think the only things Red Pill is at all accurate about is "Beta Men" because in truth that's just Red Pill self describing, as a number of Red Pillers have agreed about.

double_red · 2019-08-04T08:55:19+00:00

Dread game is immoral but it works wonders with most girls. Telling your gf to shut up when she's nagging for no reason does too.

Daffan · 2019-08-05T16:55:50+00:00

Narcissism traits being effective.

Scientifically proven that narcissistic traits help you in getting sex. Morally bad because your actively learning to manipulate people in many cases.

katymarx · 2019-08-04T02:23:26+00:00

The whole focus on “value”.

Say what you want about women, they at least claim to not define themselves based on what men think or want. TRP flings itself right into that and I feel like it cedes a power to women they shouldnt have.

Like obviously they DO have it, being the gatekeepers of sex... and this being an era where men clown around and prostitute their personalities out to get paid in sex... but I think a man with a brain and self respect should resent the power women presently wield to shape male lives. We should be the arbiters of our value, not them.

Our ancestors tamed women with the rod, rather than entice with the carrot. Women didnt have a say over what men did or thought. Nowadays they have altogether too much power. The balance isnt in mens favor and we ought to treat that as a problem to be eventually faced, not an inevitability.

mercurialmf · 2019-08-04T03:00:44+00:00

If you see anything red pill as morally wrong, you still have some beta male simp tendencies

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Electra_Cute · 2019-08-04T02:17:16+00:00

How can something be "factually correct" or "efficient" but morally wrong? Morality is concerned with moral normativity, not descriptions.

Title	Which, If any, parts of TRP do you consider to be morally wrong or using the wrong tone, yet factually correct or efficient?
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Date	August 4, 2019 1:07 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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