If the Red Pill is right, then we would expect fictional men in women's romantic fantasies to look like the alpha males we claim women are attracted to.

If the Blue Pill is right, we would expect those fictional men to look like the nice, inoffensive, neutered Redditer who gets so angry at RP for saying such mean things about women.

Guess who the heroes in romance novels all look like?

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If someone told you that men aren't attracted to blowjobs, what would you tell them?

Maybe you'd tell them that they're crazy, or that they're stupid. But how would you prove men actually do like blowjobs? They could just sit there insisting it's not true. "My friends say they don't like it! They think it's gross!" They could develop a whole ideology around how offensive it was to ever say that a man would like something so disgusting.

But you can, in fact, prove them wrong. Why? Because basically every single porno ever has a blowjob in it. If men didn't like blowjobs, that wouldn't be the subject matter of so much porn.

That brings us to women, and what they want. It's not some mystery. It's not even hidden very hard. If you want to know what women really want, you don't have to trust this subreddit. You don't have to trust anyone. All you have to do is go look at what women buy, in the form of best-selling romance novels.

Every romance novel is essentially a woman's fantasy about what kind of man she wants to fall in love with. You can find every single type of man you could imagine somewhere in some romance novel. Alphas, betas, chubby blue pill neckbeards, whoever. Someone has written it.

But what actually sells? Let's look at a few of the best sellers, because they are all variations on the same theme.

Pride and Prejudice - Women love this one. It's about a rich guy named Mr. Darcy who starts out acting like a total asshole. He tells the heroine she is unattractive and refuses to dance with her at a ball. He acts like he's above everyone in her town. He convinces his friend to dump her sister because he thinks they have a terrible family. He's rich and lives in a giant mansion. His enemies are telling the heroine what an asshole he is all the time.

Mr. Darcy is a "reformed rake," a common trope in romance novels. He starts out being an asshole, but he gradually learns to be nice to the heroine, goes out of his way to make up for his douchebag behavior, and they live happily ever after in his giant mansion.

The Flame and the Flower - This was the first big modern romance novel. It sold millions of copies. It was written by a women, and women are the ones who bought it. What's the plot?

A cinderalla-type innocent woman is treated badly by her family and ends up on the street. An alpha male sea captain sends out some of his deckhands to find him a hooker. They find her wandering the streets, think she's a whore, and bring her to his ship.

Then he rapes her. Then he rapes her again. And again. And he laughs about it.

She gets pregnant, and they have a shotgun wedding. So he rapes her some more, and treats her like total shit because she ruined his wedding plans with another woman. But every time she submits to him and does what he says, he stops raping her for a few minutes and does something nice for her (like not raping her anymore that night). Even though he likes raping her, he's very protective of her, and very jealous of other men.

Again, this was written by a woman, and sold millions and millions of copies to other women. Please note that many women understandably didn't like the book, for obvious reasons, and that you shouldn't try to emulate this guy. But also please note that you can be this big of a dick, and millions of women will still find it sexually attractive.

Twilight - A girl and an alpha male vampire fall in love. He is insanely protective of her to the point of being a stalker. He sneaks into her bedroom to watch her sleep. He struggles to control himself, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he could snap and violently murder her. When they have sex, she is left with bruises all over her because he is so strong that he has to struggle not to kill her when he even touches her. He is tall, handsome, and has billions of dollars. He buys the heroine really expensive cars, because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her.

Then he leaves for awhile, and she starts hanging out with a werewolf. He is insanely protective of her. Werewolves cannot control their rage, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he might snap, lose control, and kill her. There are repeated scenes with a girlfriend of another werewolf whose face has been mauled by her boyfriend, emphasizing the danger. He is extremely tall, muscular, and is the rightful alpha male of his werewolf pack. He is jealous of the vampire, and they fight, but eventually she picks the vampire, and the werewolf hangs around and decides to be insanely protective of her daughter instead.

A beta male named Mike Newton falls in love with her. He has no negative qualities other than that he is an average looking guy who fell in love with an average looking girl. The beta male is constantly put down by the werewolf and the vampire. The heroine tricks the beta male into a double date with the werewolf, where he vomits at a horror movie because he is sick. The werewolf makes fun of him for being afraid of the movie, and then makes out with the heroine in the car right next to the beta male. Twilight fans really seem to hate this guy, for no real reason other than that he is a beta male. The author also seemed to really, really love having her characters treat him like crap.

Fifty Shades of Grey - A tall alpha male billionaire can play the piano like an expert, runs his own company in his mid-twenties, and flies helicopters everywhere. He likes to tie women up and order them around, making them his submissives. He meets the heroine, then starts sending her gifts and randomly bumping into her. He buys the heroine cars because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her. He is emotionally damaged, unavailable, and only able to have sex, not commitment. He constantly orders the heroine around, and wants to control exactly what she eats and what she does basically the time. He is incredibly jealous and lashes out at other men who try to date the heroine. But underneath he has a heart of gold and learns to be nice, warm, and caring.

Summary: RP does not have to sit here and have a debate with Blue Pill people about whether we're right or not. Theories about what women are attracted to in men are falsifiable. All we have to do is look at real women's fantasies, and what the men look like in those fantasies.