CMV: TRP Men who say they want "nice sweet girls" are like party sluts saying they want "nice guys"

alreadyredschool · 2016-10-09T17:11:29+00:00

Instead of taking men's advice, women should watch what they do instead of what they say.

Male advice for women is mostly horrendous bullshit.

Also I am innocent, my girl is a nice sweet conservative girl.

redmachines · 2016-10-09T17:17:56+00:00

The "nice, submissive" woman is so clueless she makes autistic incels looks socially competent. Incels need to muster up the courage to cold approach women sending vague signals of her interest. The "nice, submissive" woman can't even hold eye contact with men she is interested in. And now she wants men to believe that she is enthusiastic about meeting, talking and sleeping with them? LOL She has taken herself out of a game that was already too easy for her.

AliceOxalis · 2016-10-09T17:13:20+00:00

These women won cause they went and fucked the guys they wanted.

You are sitting there invisibly, requesting that we ignore the people who are giving us what we want in order to expend more energy probably not getting what we want from one of you.

Pull your weight :/

SkentyDooBabble · 2016-10-09T17:35:59+00:00

You're conflating different types of sluts. There are extroverted, promiscuous women who are also very wholesome.

Id flip it around and say you're doing the same thing as the guys who assume that promiscuous men are all assholes. That is not actually the case, there are lots of good men who get laid.

ThirdEyeSqueegeed · 2016-10-09T20:18:04+00:00

Men do like 'nice sweet girls'. You can be nice and sweet and still be outgoing and promiscuous. Shy wallflowers are not necessarily nice and sweet either. Your whole premise is confused.

But they don't understand the implications of their own behavior - they married those women. Those women won.

What exactly did they win? They're married to a beta, most likely in a dead bedroom relationship. Is that what you call winning?

trpobserver · 2016-10-10T00:25:45+00:00

Men who say they want "nice sweet girls" are like party sluts saying they want "nice guys"

Yes and no. Most men (in my experience) actually do want nice girls sexually, girls say they want nice guys and they do, just not in a sexual way (though that isn't the intent behind their statements on the matter)

There were plenty of shy invisible wallflowers out there

There weren't. The beautiful girl who is also sweet and shy exists almost entirely in fiction. What a surprise that it is such a common character in anime drawn by males and targeted for males.

Any woman can tell you this is typical and normal

Are you sure this isn't selection bias ie hearing this mostly from other party girls?

I've never been into the whole club/crazy drunk party thing so I guess my view is a bit different, but the beautiful, sweet girls (at least in the form of their public persona) get snatched up really damn fast, and most of them don't go to a lot of parties. Then most of those girls display that AWALT regardless.

Merps didn't think twice about in their dating days

Those girls are the ones I was always trying to find and turned out to not be real.

GridReXX · 2016-10-09T18:18:23+00:00

I'm simply not, I detest women like this.

I don't love the fire in her belly or the chaos in her soul, I find it rude, disgusting and if I didn't have hopes of a good career, I'd probably punch them in the face if they touched me. At the same time I am self-aware enough to realise I am not really into perfect wallflowers either and that my shitty relationships are largely due to wanting women I shouldn't have as well as the fact I have a thing for a certain type of BPD girl who isn't stupidly aggressive and a party gal, but sort of an inverted narcissist who is sexually submissive, but emotionally dominant.

I have no real intention of changing since emotionally I bounce back quickly and it adds general interest and drama to my life.

[deleted] · 2016-10-09T19:45:58+00:00

I really don't understand this bizarre worldview where you can divide everyone into the two extremes of "Extroverted, promiscuous, outgoing and loud" v. "nice submissive wallflowers."

I think it's much more likely that the vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle of that. I mean "promiscuous, outgoing, and loud" is a good description of me when I'm intoxicated, but not when I'm at work or something.

women who fuck alpha chads while advising men to be nice betas (TBP)

Really don't know what that means. If the subreddit "theBluePill" advises anyone to do anything, it's laughing at this pill nonsense.

But they don't understand the implications of their own behavior - they married those women. Those women won.

Being in a marriage with someone who hates them and their own life? That sure sounds like a winner.

This submission is absurd.

impossibleworlds · 2016-10-09T17:02:40+00:00

y of shy invisible wallflowers out there that Merps didn't think twice about in their dating days, so why would women have incentive to be anything other than the hot sluts who win at life?

Shy, invisible wallflowers have shit self-esteem and are terrible in bed. Hot party sluts have an amazing fiery personality. Even if they are shit in bed its way worth the effort and time it takes to get to bed if you aren't a chad. Party sluts aren't loyal. But who wants a steady girlfriend in one's 20s? Hit the gym, get tattoos, become a douchebag and fuck hot sluts.

FatTaker · 2016-10-09T19:08:16+00:00

Women have so much power in the dating arena before age of about 40-45 that I have trouble seeing this as a problem. Being a slut will be forgiven, and so will being a wallflower. All a wallflower needs to do to be approached is to create a dating profile.

I think you're a bit right, though. A smiling face is more attractive on a woman than a resting bitch face or a blank face. Acting approachable and sexual is more sexy than shyness. I just don't think it's such a major handicap that you need to encourage women to be extraverted sluts in order to land a husband. A woman can win both as a wallflower and a slut.

Promiscuity is correlated with poorer marriage outcomes anyway. How do extraverted sluts win, if their goal is permanent marriage? And if sluts don't care, then women you give advice to surely do.

eixan · 2016-10-10T05:20:30+00:00

All a women has to do is open her legs and not be fat....thats all she need to hook a guy. If she wants a longe term relationship all she has to do is have a nice personality. All the visual novels have a female character who has a shy meek personality, so do all the anime harems(oriemo is has a character that is outgoing but we learn that shes secretly an otaku and that clearly is intented to make the audience more attracted to her, luck star and watamote have female main characters that are otakus), and mass effect has talia . The most attractive women on reddit emma watson played a godamn nerd!!(i hate her for he for she though). What rock do you live under?

recon_johnny · 2016-10-10T12:57:50+00:00

great example of this is MarriedRedPill. Most of these guys enthusiastically married unvetted slutty "non wife material". They hate their wives and their lives and are miserable, so they circlejerk over how they wish women would just be nice submissive wallflowers.

That's a vast majority of what MRP is NOT about.

[deleted] · 2016-10-09T18:01:28+00:00

Half of all the issues on this sub would be solved if people just remembered and understood the simple fact that people are sexually attracted to who they are sexually attracted to.

It's non-negotiable, and when that sexual attraction leads to the development of romantic feelings, then it's worthless debating any kind of ''rights'' or ''wrongs'' of the person who they are smitten for.

trail22 · 2016-10-09T17:06:14+00:00

I dont think its party sluts, its just extroverted women who are happy.

The thing abotu nice guys is they become what they want. So nice guys do want nice girls. Just like how very succesful confident women who want guys that challenge them don't understand why they cant get guys. Because they are what they want, when in truth most confident succesful guys want more nicer supportive women, who dont necessarily challenge them .

kevin32 · 2016-10-09T18:11:39+00:00

A great example of this is MarriedRedPill. Most of these guys enthusiastically married unvetted slutty "non wife material". They hate their wives and their lives and are miserable, so they circlejerk over how they wish women would just be nice submissive wallflowers. But they don't understand the implications of their own behavior - they married those women.

Keep in mind that the men of MarriedRedPill were Blue Pill before they came to the sub, which means they married non-wife material during a time they were unaware of the nature of women. So when they married these women, they assumed they would be good girls just like they saw on The Brady Bunch and Little House on the Prairie. Any complaining and misery on their part now is them swallowing the Red Pill, acknowledging how women really operate, and reacting to the truth that doesn't match the lies they were fed.

There were plenty of shy invisible wallflowers out there that Merps didn't think twice about in their dating days

Because MarriedRedPill men were Blue Pill before getting married, and therefore unaware of how women operate, naturally they went after the "gorgeous girl with the outgoing personality". Who wouldn't given similar circumstances? But knowing what they now know from the Red Pill, I think a greater number of them would opt for the shy girl if they could do it all over again.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-10-09T17:12:47+00:00

No. Most guys don't want to marry the sluts or even have relationships with them. They just want sex. They want to marry the good girl and have relationships with her. Now you ask how is this different than AF/BB? Women WANT to marry the Alphas but, they CAN'T so they SETTLE for the Beta.

In order for this analogy to work, women would have to be equally sexually attracted to the Alpha male yet disgusted at the thought of marrying him, the way men are horny for hot sluts but, repulsed at the idea of having a slut for a wife. Since they obviously aren't, your analogy doesn't work.

DrunkGirl69 · 2016-10-09T17:17:43+00:00

Men want a slut in the sheets and lady in the streets. Men want a women who is great and slutty in bed. They don't actually like the slutty outgoing personality that comes with it. Men like sleeping with sluts, but they don't like hanging around with them.

Women on the other love sleeping with bad-boy abusive Chads and they usually also like dating them.

EsauTheRed · 2016-10-09T18:50:52+00:00

I got burned by a nice sweet introverted girl. It went on for 8 months and I put so much of myself into her because I thought she was different from other women, and that I just needed to open her up.

TheSage12021 · 2016-10-09T21:59:53+00:00

I've noticed several posts on trp talking about their controlling mothers, and I feel like I've noticed a similarity between them and girls with daddy issues. Where girls with daddy issues need that approval of a man, these guys need to feel control over a woman

Transmigratory · 2016-10-10T00:58:43+00:00

Though it is the case of honesty. Women won't be honest, they'll say being a nice guy will get you luck- it won't.

With men, they'll clearly tell you that the party sluts are easy sex... but they wouldn't get commitment. A nice sweet girl would more likely get commitment.

Though I have to admit, the nice guy advice works... if you're incredibly good looking and have quite a bit of masculine traits and attributes. That nice sweet girl? You guessed it, most guys imagine a hottie who meets that criteria.

ppdthrowawai · 2016-10-10T12:45:51+00:00

You know that extroversion and introversion are very loosely related (if at all) to whether someone is slutty or even if they like to party.

SetConsumes · 2016-10-10T17:46:34+00:00

So... you're exactly right. OP nailed it.

Red Pill does a horrible fucking job of getting men to be successful in the SMP.

RP advice? Get ripped and earn a lot of money; women will flock to you. So then the guys who can manage this attract... superficial gold diggers.

And then they are pissed about it.

/facepalm

Dumbasses, all of them.

winterrider · 2016-10-11T05:10:34+00:00

Yep. You are right. Have to completely agree and your point is very valid. Men on TRP complain about promiscuous women and how they are not wife material but that is not always the case. One extreme example of this is a girl I know, a nice person, who happens to have a long and extensive history as a stripper and hooker (about 10 years.) When I heard she had a fiance I was shocked. I have nothing against her personally, again, she is trying to move onto a new chapter in her life, but her history is no real secret. Yet even with that history, some guy was willing to put a ring on her finger. Compare that with another friend of mine, a very chase, clean, good girl. She is in her late 30s and is still unmarried.

I am not recommending women go out and become stripper / hookers, but my only point is that things are not always as fair as TRP would like to believe. Personally, there is absolutely no way I could have children with a woman who was a hooker for a significant part of her life. But every guy has different standards -- I have heard of men even marrying porn stars.

DrunkGirl69 · 2016-10-11T15:15:59+00:00

Boring people shouldn't send you on a roller coaster of emotions like that, unless you're a reformed slut stuck with a beta

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DrunkGirl69 · 2016-10-09T17:31:00+00:00

So...Hypergamy don't care? They won? So a MRP guy finds out he married table scrap leftovers. She left nothing for her marriage or husband and you think she won?

Pfft. Only the loser thinks it's a compitition in the first place. God women will rationalize anything in order to vet and dismiss their shitty behavior.

Title	CMV: TRP Men who say they want "nice sweet girls" are like party sluts saying they want "nice guys"
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Upvotes	37
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Date	October 9, 2016 4:54 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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