What made you convert to TRP?

teamjkforawhile · 2015-07-09T19:08:48+00:00

The same thing that would make me consider anything. Evidence.

prodigy2throw · 2015-07-09T17:30:35+00:00

Had zero experience with women. Low self esteem and body image issues. Did nothing about it until my last year of uni when I joined the gym.

Graduated university, hit the gym, began looking better, improving etc. Joined Tinder and OkC. Matched with some women who told me right off the bat they're not looking to hook up. I was fine with it since I just wanted a girlfriend.

Met up with about a dozen women for coffee and dinner dates. Was all gentleman like (pulling chairs, opening doors, paying for pricey food). I had amazing convos and asked questions, was intrigued, curious, happy, respectful of opinions and provided advice and encouragement. At the end of the date I would say I had a great time, they would reciprocate, I would hug them and I would be excited about finally meeting a great person that I can grow a relationship with.

Nope

Not a SINGLE one replied to my texts or invitations to a second date. No idea why. Ran into one of those amazing, nice, sweet women at a bar where she was being manhandled and groped by a well known player in my city, chasing him around the bar like a fangirl. Another one posted pics of her with her new drug dealer boyfriend on fb. Mind you all of these women were smart, university educated and claimed to not enjoy drinking/ drugs and didn't like partying.

Read through r/seduction and someone mentioned TRP and my reality was shattered.

Next date, I stopped caring, showed up late, said whatever I felt, made her pay, and escalated like a beast. I wasn't an asshole to her, she was having fun and laughing throughout the date. I just took her off the pedestal and treated her like another person.

She texted me the next day saying she wanted to see me again. I lost my virginity the next week. We stopped talking after a few months because she got busy with her grad thesis.

I keep saying this over and over

OlBastard · 2015-07-09T16:45:22+00:00

>>Browsing reddit>>See numerous mentions of TRP being some misogynist shit-hole>>Go there for lulz>>Wow, this stuff makes sense

I looked over the posts, the sidebar, analyzed my past relationships/encounters within the framework of TRP, and was surprised how remarkably precise it was.

Slowly, I adjusted my mindset and actions while observing how people respond to them. So far, so good. TBP and PPD posters who seem to be so against TRP principles make me chuckle. They remind me of those on /r/fitness who think that calories don't matter in losing weight. It's like some religious/irrational belief that spares someone their feelings while ignoring reality.

FrozenSoil · 2015-07-09T16:05:16+00:00

I'll respond from a married mans perspective.

I found MRP/TRP while I spent my time in Dead Bedrooms.

It was after I had sex with my wife 3 times in 2 years during and after the birth of our son that I finally had had enough. Throughout the time prior to finding MRP, I had followed the advice of numerous relationship websites, tried couples councling, the lot. None of it worked so I ended up finding DeadBedrooms and other hapless souls like myself.

There was a comment regarding Married Red Pill. I visited it, and it blew my mind wide open. After I implemented the basics of MRP in my relationship, things have been getting better.

I can see how bitter breakups or general feelings of mistreatment by women can cause men to push towards TRP. Much like you found, the world can be a cruel place to an unkempt female. Try being an unkempt male, or even an average male and you'll see that even the most average woman will want little to do with you.

xXx__Yolo__xXx · 2015-07-09T20:47:20+00:00

I lean Red. I'd post on TRP, but I'm put off by the large /pol/ and /r9k/ influence and presence there. Still, I read some of the posts there, TRP usually has some good stuff by the less, uh, psychotic posters.

I think what convinced me was the harsh reality of "Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks." I've seen plenty of women who respond very sexually to high status men ("Alpha Fucks"), and while feigning demure chastity around lower status men ("Beta Bucks"). Nothing else explains that, so I looked for explanations on this weird phenomenon. I slowly found my way to TRP.

I'm an Indian guy, but another thing is the infamous topic of why Asian women prefer white men so much, and why Asian Women-White Man pairing is so much more common than the Asian Man-White Woman pairing.

I mean, you can't account for that by statements of "it's just a preference" (it seems the preferences are remarkably one-sided lol) or "It's like dating my brother" (one wonders why white/latina/black women don't see dating their men as "dating their brothers") or "Indian/Asian men are conservative misogynists" (Pew Center surveys show Indians and Asian men lean strongly to the Left).

So I wondered and wondered, and eventually I hit on a reason for why this happens: our media and cultural institutions create strongly negative portrayals of Indian and Asian men, which people slowly internalize. Seems reasonable to me.

Except this doesn't seem to sit well with Asian feminists. I think it's because they are so committed to seeing men as oppressors and women as victims, that they reject the idea that our institutions can hurt some subgroups of men as well. Perhaps another reason was the influential book "The Joy Luck Club," which cast Asian men as conservative misogynist oppressors of Asian women.

So yeah, nobody seems to give serious thought or have reasonable discussion on this issue except Redpill communities, so I'm going with The Red Pill.

Finally, I got annoyed at the state of modern feminism. Tumblr, Jizzabel, Bluepill (the other two are worse), etc, all convinced me that feminism is a a crock of shit. I saw feminists virgin-shaming, exploiting racial stereotypes (Hollaback's video), making fun of sensitive men who don't adhere to traditional masculinity ("male tears" is an example of this), or acting like complete hypocrites (the feminist Gawker Media Group strongly decried the Fappening, yet right now they are in court for publicizing Hulk Hogan's sextape).

Through all of this, I realized that I want no part of feminism. Now, on this site, I had a lovely conversation with one Bluepill feminist, who convinced me that not all feminists are like that, and I should give feminism another look. She cited people like bell hooks and "care feminists," and I must admit, I wish more feminists were like her.

I still rejected feminism, though. I think part of it is because I don't really see the feminist vision of the world as feasible. I think another part is that I reject the idea that "male privilege" exists in the West, while it is a bedrock of feminist thought. So I'm still at odds with feminism.

And Redpill doesn't like feminism, so I'm going with them.

So yeah, that's how I became a "twerp." Let me know if you have any questions. :)

thedeti · 2015-07-09T21:01:39+00:00

Because TRP sets out a comprehensive explanatory and theoretical view point on women, intersexual relationships, employment, government, culture, law, religion and the interplay among these.

There is nothing else that explains women, how they behave, why they behave the way they do, and their sexual responses. TBP says "just be nice, just be yourself". We tried that. IT DIDN'T WORK. (Cue u/DSToo with "You did it wrong")

SirNemesis · 2015-07-09T23:47:45+00:00

Seeing how little sympathy Bpers, women, or people in general have for the sex and dating difficulties of young men.

That is what moved me from merely considering most of trp true to becoming a card-carrying. When one group says "no one is entitled to sex; just be yourself and suck it up if that doesn't get you any results" and the other group says "here is how to get sex" which do you figure I'm gonna identify with?

CuntyMcFagNuts69 · 2015-07-09T16:14:06+00:00

I was using deadbedrooms and someone suggested it. I laughed at TRP first but then I really started diving into it. It's really hard to unsee it once you read it. Think about all the things women have said to you in the past (talked about other men while dating you, looking at the swole guys at the bar, posting one too many selfies on instagram with their tits hanging out) AWALT. No matter if she is the pastors daughter or a doctor, AWALT

Sepean · 2015-07-09T16:27:08+00:00

I didn't switch to an "ideology".

I had a dead bedroom. Found TRP. It sounded right; it was different but it explained a lot of things. I tried it. It worked.

It's not an ideology. It's a strategic framework.

hyperrreal · 2015-07-09T16:41:22+00:00

I grew up with at distant, narcissistic father and an abusive BPD mother. That upbringing really messed me up. I had no idea how to relate to masculinity, other people, and especially myself.

My uncle introduced me to PUA (David DeAngelo, Mystery, Neil Stauss) when I was in highschool, and my eyes opened. I never understood why I was a social/sexual failure until then.

PUA eventually lead me to other manosphere blogs as the years went by, I went to college, joined a good fraternity, and sort of turned my life around. I was still attracting very damaged women, addicted to tons of drugs, self-sabotaging, and feeling very alone, but I was popular and getting external validation.

Eventually a long-term relationship blew up in the worst way possible. My GF at the time assaulted me, and lied to the police that I had been physically abusing her. I was so fucked up and mad that I destroyed our apartment, breaking my hand the process.

I got into therapy after that, which has had the biggest positive impact on my life thus far. After doing it for years, I feel like a different person. There's no way I would be where I am without all the PUA/RP stuff, but I don't think it can take people all the way. It only treats symptoms, not the emotional wounds that drive dysfunctional and unattractive behavior.

Quintus_Pillus · 2015-07-09T19:55:00+00:00

When all the lies I've been taught about women and relationships were turning my life into a nightmare of which I had to wake up sooner or later. The last "plugged" relationship, with a feminist by the way, screwed me in many ways.

ReddishBlack · 2015-07-09T16:20:23+00:00

Found it via seddit after looking how to escape the friendzone

I don't believe every word they say, but TRP opened my perspective of sexuality in a way that I had never encountered anywhere else

pakleader · 2015-07-09T20:42:10+00:00

lol you say convert as if it's some religion.

I just find that a lot of the parts on TRP line up with my experience and social dynamics around me.

chickenparade · 2015-07-09T19:56:20+00:00

I already had a fairly Red view of relationship before I ever went on reddit or heard of r/trp. Read about ladder theory a few years back and it made sense to me. I never had a problem with attracting women but getting them to stay around was the hard part.

After a relatively short relationship, though the longest in my life at the time, fell apart for no apparent reason, I was devastated and it weighed on me heavily for some time. Red pill theory had an explanation as to why (in short, abandoning alpha qualities too quickly thinking I already "got the girl") while the general advice on the street, even the woman herself, didn't have a clear cut answer.

I haven't been slaying 9s every other night but I know now there is more to life than getting laid, or even the inimate relationships I still wish to cultivate. I've got a long way to go but TRP theory is a useful tool to have as I get old.

Tl;dr- Trp just gave me some new terms and ideas to affirm what I already believed.

mr_one_liner · 2015-07-09T20:05:24+00:00

I was a lifelong semi-BP with not much in the way of getting lucky. I went RP after reading the manosphere cause it just clicked, and it worked in my life. What other reason need there be?

smokingmonkey420 · 2015-07-09T23:03:30+00:00

got friend zoned
started lifting
knew I had to change something
found NoFap
linked to TRP
Gave it a chance

The sad part is that I found SoSuave back when I was about 14 but blew it off due to all the misogyny.

aquaticbub · 2015-07-09T16:06:03+00:00

Honestly, it was never really a straight conversion. It was more like, I began browsing, and found it interesting and useful. I gradually increased the amount I lurked, until I subscribed. By then, I had begun to internalize the new behaviors, and better understand the concepts at a hands on level in real life. Through this I believe I started on the steps that TRP considers extremely common when beginning to swallow the pill. Every day I get a little more red. I just see so many blue/red examples all the time now, it's impossible not to be red if I respect myself. It's just a better way of life for us, so we stick to it.

gavinok · 2015-07-09T18:15:27+00:00

In short, bad experience with my second girlfriend where I was led to believe she didn't give handjobs or blowjobs because she thought they were gross and that "real women don't do those things". Low and behold I caught her sucking off two frat bros in a party one night.

All in all, I had a traumatic experience that exposed me to the idea that women do not always say what they mean, and are not by default innocent and harmless.

SekcRokStallion · 2015-07-10T00:14:25+00:00

I swallowed the pill years ago, before I even knew to call it that.

I've always been decent when it comes to women. Getting laid hasn't ever really been a problem for me. I wasn't tired of the way women treated me or anything, it's just something I came to understand as a personal truth in my early 20's.

I was turned onto TRP as a community by a friend and stuck around because it qualified lot of ideas I've already had. It was more validation than anything.

I've drifted away from it recently though. Not because I disagree with the theories, mostly because I've been busy with my career and daughter.

I still enjoy reading some of the more thought provoking posts.

JaredIsAmped · 2015-07-10T01:50:14+00:00

I've evened out since then but I guess I still lean on the red pill side if someone heard a gun to my head and told me to choose.

It just made sense, it co-aligned with the observations I had made in my own life. So maybe I was a cynical asshole then? I'm still a fairly cynical asshole now. Everything I read was pretty much what I thought, expect it wasn't localized.

I'm different now, but now as much as some people on this subbreddit might like.

I think a lot of the stuff on redpill is heavily exaggerated because people feel burnt and in way I think it's healthy. Most people get it out of their system, I turned a friend on to the redpill after a particular abusive girlfriend/ breakup, I won't go into detail, but she was a classic redpill example. It turned a miserable and crippling experience into a self-improving positive one. As quickly as redpill came into his life it went away and he moved in. He didn't obsess over it, he learnt what he could from it and moved on. Which is what I would recommend any male to do because the red pill tends to get toxic overtime. But that's just my two cents.

drok007 · 2015-07-09T16:05:27+00:00

When I found TRP, I already had RP beliefs and was successful with women. I didn't really convert, BP is just mostly wrong. They have a pseudo-religious morality based on faith in altruism, and cult-like groupthink that they project onto people they don't agree with. This is why TRP tends to be more diverse than TBP.

despisedlove2 · 2015-07-09T16:45:10+00:00

Being taken for a ride by a disloyal wife.

ppdthrowawai · 2015-07-09T18:04:54+00:00

Same story as many others. Dead bedroom led to married red pill. Worked completely where as everything else we tried failed miserably. After the relationship ended for unrelated reasons, RP continued to benefit me.

ShangoThor · 2015-07-09T18:36:09+00:00

RP just had a number of ideas that I already strongly agreed with.

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-07-09T20:34:53+00:00

I started listening to Tom Leykis when I was 12 years old so yeah, it made me pretty red-leaning from an early age.

cxj · 2015-07-09T23:47:09+00:00

I found my way here after being falsely accused of domestic violence by my ex, which almost ruined my life. My lawyer told me my best chance was her not showing up to court, and she didn't, so the case was dismissed.

BFMCBeaner · 2015-07-10T00:42:22+00:00

I like a few we're taught the basic tenants of this from my Dad, Step-Dad and Grandfather long before there was an Interwebz. Getting on Reddit and seeing it was like finally some men around me are getting their balls back. Society has become weak and feminized.

MentORPHEUS · 2015-07-10T01:41:51+00:00

"Convert" isn't the word. Much of the theory and discussion provided a paradigm that consistently explained my past experiences and relationships, and offered great predictive value for current and future interactions and relations.

TL;DR It works

DevilishRogue · 2015-07-09T18:13:15+00:00

I was what TRP refers to as a 'natural', so didn't really convert to it at all as such. I did however have an experience where a girl told me she wanted me to go beta by being honest, sharing my feelings, etc. and that more or less instantly killed the relationship and that solidified my thinking on the issue. Once you 'get' TRP though there really is no bitterness.

EDIT: To whoever downvoted this, honestly - why did you bother?

alreadyredschool · 2015-07-09T16:39:58+00:00

I found trp and saw that they do much stuff I do, so I stayed.

thereddespair · 2015-07-09T20:55:14+00:00

I want to convert to TBP, can i still become blue. I miss being the nice person really.

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