Malicious blue-pilling is a thing

solaybrane · 2020-01-30T10:00:22+00:00

No. It's not malicious, it's a shit-test. You're supposed to both unconditionally shame guys who touch women without asking and know when it's OK to establish light physical contact without asking and be confident enough to do it. You're supposed to expouse sexually liberal views but not get pumped and dumped yourself. You're supposed to agree that women and men are the same and want the same things but be ready to act completely differently on dates and especially in bed.

Most importantly you're supposed to not notice the cognitive dissonance and violently shame those who do.

It's a filter for confidence and intelligence. It's basically a class-based system where guys who aren't confident or emotionally intelligent enough, and take these things at face value, are filtered out of the competition.

It's natural that men and women who are in on it should be sorted together. A confident, intelligent woman, wants a guy who knows what he's doing, not some almost-autistic nerd who actually follows the rules.

catbrainland · 2020-01-30T06:31:09+00:00

Nah you're giving people way too much credit as strategic thinkers.

I think there's two groups:

People whose lives are good, and they aren't able to recognize the qualities and advantages they hold that contributed to it

People whose lives are bad, or on the border of bad (there but for the grace of God go they), and are ashamed to do anything but pretend that they buy into the same reality as their betters.

Darkseeker_Mau · 2020-01-30T18:40:58+00:00

Men always forget that they are in an intrasexual competition with other men, some men out there want other men to fail, that goes for both blues and reds.

So don't go out blindly putting your trust in the words of those men alone.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2020-01-30T12:16:55+00:00

I don't see Blue Pill as malicious. In my view, it appears to be a repackaged version of Political Correctness. Anyone who does not fall within the capricious and randomly-defined limits of Political Correctness gets lumped into the "basket of deplorables."

I don't think they see themselves as "malicious." Quite the opposite, they appear to be one of many manifestations of what is often referred to as "call out culture." They probably see themselves as crusaders, "fighting the good fight" against oppressors, bigots, misogynists, Sith Lords, and/or anything else they associate with the "evil patriarchy."

jfedj · 2020-01-30T06:49:42+00:00

Good thing I just try deconstruct shitty arguments instead of getting tangled up in this pill nonsense.

sublimemongrel · 2020-01-30T12:11:30+00:00

That is what most people have experienced or observed though, depending on how you look at things. I don’t think people are being malicious when they say stuff like that.

PapaPinyun · 2020-01-30T15:00:07+00:00

It should clue you in a bit that the bloops here almost never make claims of their own, they just tend to react to ignorant claims, naked bias, smouldering hatred, and ludicrous reasoning: not malicious.

felis_magnetus · 2020-01-30T18:33:18+00:00

The tragedy of too much media exposure, conditions you what to want AND how to want it. Add the usual circle-jerk of people trying to convince each other that the sky is indeed green because that's the reality they invested so much in, so they build pseudo-tribes to fulfill a hard-wired evolutionary desire to get social validation. Of course that's vulnerable, it's essentially at odds with itself. It's making the inability to actually connect with anybody - including yourself - the anchor to felt social security, which induces panic when questioned, because not only are you about to suffer a shock exposure to a very different reality, but also the loss of your fake validation. Wasn't about you, just your pretenses. This is why break-ups and divorces are getting more toxic on the daily. The battle for control of the narrative poisons the well of human interaction. It's bound to be that way, when the acceptance of the imaginary supra-tribe called society hinges on your adherence to the imposed monogamy scam.

Am I agreeing with OP here? Not really. OP postulates intentions, where I only see complete chaos resulting from societies too much at odds with what evolution prepared individuals for and Anomie and social instability and insecurity, as you'd expect in a world crowded by tribe-less and estranged individuals desperately competing for fake connection. Are some malignant? Of course. But are they malicious? I'd doubt that, even if they are in their own minds. Just another narrative, this time one centered on control. People spend an astounding amount of energy on that illusion, on convincing themselves to actually want what they accepted as all they're likely to get. It falls in line with other mad and common strategies of self-soothing, like conspiracy theories, for example. All share one common characteristic, they're insecure and immature at heart. Better a bad daddy than no daddy, better to be malicious than not in control. Better to tie yourself to something or somebody you don't actually want, than to accept we're all lost at sea. And the storm's coming.

SherbertBacon · 2020-01-30T06:49:34+00:00

The only core belief of “blue pill” is “disagrees with TRP.” That’s the only unifying feature. To make the case you want, you have to prove that we bloops push a specific agenda that propagates beliefs that create the so-called “harmful” scenarios you paint. It means you have to effectively prove that only beliefs held by TRP—and TRP alone—would protect from these scenarios from playing out. That sounds like an impossible undertaking, since you can be blue (or purple) and still agree with certain small elements of RP ideology.

DraconianDebate · 2020-01-30T14:34:59+00:00

Our modern society is a joke and the ideas pushed by blue pill folk are ridiculous and incongruous. Most of it doesn't make any sense and often it directly contradicts itself.

That doesn't mean the red pill is any better though.

Keletirios · 2020-02-03T03:48:13+00:00

blue pilled young women are much more susceptible to being pumped and dumped etc (they can be used as essentially self-supporting free-range harems

If you accidentallt take advantage of this without knowing they were blue pilled are you still malicious 🤔

The BPer in me is shrieking yes you should hate yourself for taking advantage of women and you deserve to be sued

The RPer in me is thinking that they're so adamantly invested in being clueless that they deserved it, it's not like I didn't show them though my actions

akaean · 2020-01-30T13:28:23+00:00

Just because I'm an asshole doesn't mean I am wrong or trying to trick you. I promise that its not my fault that the Red Pill argues almost exclusively in logical fallacies. Your post actually does at least 2 that I noticed! My god man.

Red Pill False Dichotomy 101

Blue pill disagrees with red pills positive statement
convert the negative statement into an obviously false and silly positive statement on the opposite end.
Assign this obviously false and silly belief to all of the blue pill.
Point out that this belief is obviously false and silly
Position the red pill as the only reasonable alternative to the blue pill
Therefore if you don't believe in obviously false and silly belief you must be red pill.

Your post is also a logical fallacy in that you are assuming the red pill is correct. Essentially its circular reasoning. You have assumed that the red pill is true, and therefore anyone arguing against it must be arguing in bad faith. But this is a forum about arguing against the red pill. So assuming I'm acting in bad faith when I argue against the red pill because the red pill is true "begs the question".

Anyway, i'm just going to leave this here. Since I think you need to read it.

The red pill doesn't argue in good faith. Really there are two faces of the red pill, on the one hand there is the presentable face of "this is advise for men to improve themselves and help them get laid!" (this is mostly the red pill taking credit for plagiarized common sense advice) and there is the true red pill, which is at its core about defining women and the world in such a way as to dehumanize them (AF/BB, AWALT, etc).

So when you argue against the red pill, and say something like: "This is a philosophy of hate", you will get a hundred answers about how "that isn't really the red pill" or "the real red pill is about [insert common sense human relation tip]". So what happens, is the red pill will assert some common sense thing, define common sense as the red pill, and as soon as someone falls into its orbit begins injecting anti-feminism and hatred into its arguments and explanations.

I suppose I should support my claims here. I think the presented "face" of the red pill has some really good advice. Don't be afraid to approach girls you are interested in, be confident, don't be a 'nice' guy , don't try to manipulate your friends into sleeping with you, etc. What I don't like is that the red pill tries to take ownership of all of these things. Which is inappropriate. Most of the actual good parts of the red pill are basically universal conversation skills and observations that are applicable in a broad variety of situations. You aren't going to tell me with a straight face that Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People is "red pilled". That is ridiculous. Yet, this is the deception that the red pill is founded on. Take common sense advice for effective communication, reword and define them as being "red pilled"... and voila! You've constructed a first line of defense, you've defined the red pill as common sense (that it plagiarized), and now your enemies oppose common sense.

Where the red pill really starts to get bad though is how they package their common sense arguments. Lets look at the "friendzone".

The red pill will say that being a "nice guy" is an ineffective dating strategy, because women will see you as a "beta male" or "orbiter", and that women don't appreciate "nice guys"

A non red pill will tell you that the "friendzone" isn't real, and that people don't have any obligation to sleep with one of their friends. You wouldn't ask expect same sex friends to sleep with you would you? Moreover, it is actually manipulative to try to exploit someones' trust like that and holding yourself out as someones friend when you only have intentions for sleeping with them is rather cruel.

The advise is the same. However, the red pill is telling people that it isn't their fault, that its actually women's fault. Essentially the message is that there is nothing wrong with you per se for expecting sex out of your friends, and that the only reason women don't reward you with sex is because they are innately bad, and that therefore you should adopt the red pill philosophy so you can take advantage of how women "actually are". The advice might be good, but the reasoning it is packaged with is specifically designed to be anti feminist propaganda meant to be an easier- dare I say it- pill to swallow for fragile male egos. "the problem isn't with you, the problem is with the world". But... it has a nasty side effect of breeding misogyny in its membership. Its ironic that so many people take the red pill to get with women and end up hating them instead.

The well goes deeper than that. Once a red piller can 'relax' where they feel that they don't have to defend their reasoning from others, more of this poison comes out. "All Women are Like That". Concepts like Hypergamy have been redefined (it is officially defined as marrying above ones class), then the redefined definition is used to discredit the choices that women make with their free will. There is also a strong undercurrent of pro abuse positions- where many red pillers believe that "alphas" cannot be abusive, or that women like abuse from alphas, etc. Which is horrible in itself. But as soon as you try to call out some of these undercurrents, the same defenders will walk it all back, tell you that isn't what the red pill is really about, and that its really about MaLe ImPrOvEmEnT.

Anyway, tl;dr the red pill is dumb. Its a philosophy of hatred repackaged in a candy coat of plagiarized common sense. CMV ;)

ReshiramColeslaw · 2020-01-30T09:24:27+00:00

I'm a feminist, blue by nature not because I think people are generally good, but that people are generally equal.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-01-30T13:31:51+00:00

Blue pill describes, at least the way I use it, a set of naive and optimisitc beliefs about dating and the other sex.

No. Blue pill describes anyone who doesn't take The Red Pill.

I personally think being blue pilled makes people a lot more vulnerable to being taken advantage of

Only if they're stupid.

You dont have to be red pilled to understand women aren't perfect little angels. That's common sense. What happens is that some guys were suckers and now they're bitter about it.

blue pilled young women are much more susceptible to being pumped and dumped etc

Since when? lol Most people tell girls to watch out for fuckboys. What happens is that she doesn't listen, she comes from a horrible family, and/or the guy is far older than her (even worse she's a teenager and he's a grown ass man).

jfedj · 2020-01-30T06:38:49+00:00

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blue_trains_ · 2020-01-30T15:51:21+00:00

I'm glad you put this idea forward! Here are my thoughts: (sorry its a bit long!)

While I agree with what you are saying - i don't think your idea is complete. i would add that actually a very significant amount of blue-pill talk is merely virtue signaling (which i still categorize as 'malicious'). The mechanics behind this are as follows:

Showing that you believe people are honest in their intentions shows that you are someone with honest intentions (therefore making people trust you more)
Specifically men who are cynical/bitter (and redpill stuff certainly makes you look like that) lowers your status *tremendously*. Most girls find bitterness and resentfulness extremely unattractive. A happy-go-lucky attitude towards dating makes it look like it's all been gold and rosy for you and you have no baggage.

On top of that here's something i struggle with personally: it's kind of hard to prove intent in our conversations about sex-dynamics because because people are constantly lying about their intent. Given this i feel bluepilling is sometimes just psychological coping. EG: I can't handle living in this dark-triad/redpill world that is so far removed from the rosy romantic world of my childhood, therefore i will adopt bluepill beliefs that make living this life less stressful. Idk, food for thought.

DXBrigade · 2020-01-30T16:05:02+00:00

Nope it's the opposite. It's not BP who keep saying that women should have sex on the first date, or that men use Relationships to get sex and women use sex to get Relationships.

BP encourages people to be honest with their intention which lessen the likehood of turning into an orbiter or a pump and dump.

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Zippo-Cat · 2020-01-30T14:29:17+00:00

Hanlon's Razor.

ItchyHealth · 2020-04-14T19:32:59+00:00

Malicious blue pilling is definitely a real thing that women use to serve their imperatives

Due to the fact that TRP takes away orbiters from women, they are scared shitless, because it means no more free attention through texts, no more finessing free meals and no more favours such as fixing their car. TRP also lessens the pool of men waiting to marry women at 30 after they are finally kicked off the cock carousel because the frat boys now want younger women.

As a result, women are fighting against TRP tooth and nail and use shaming tactics such as “TRP iz incelz” and straight up saying “TRP doesn’t work because I say so teehee.” This is to try and dissuade men from adopting TRP for the reasons mentioned above

Bottom line. Ignore women as it relates to dating advice

Seroriman · 2020-01-30T13:35:22+00:00

I dunno... if it happens, it's rare.

BP beliefs spread because they are psychologically comforting. They tell you the world is just, that hard work and ethical behavior is rewarded, that everyone has a chance at true love, people are mostly good, and the playing field is mostly even.

Who wouldn't choose to believe that? It's the same concept behind major religions. Comfort in the face of a too-harsh reality.

People who spread these views, even when they don't quite believe it themselves, aren't necessarily being malicious... the logic, rather, goes something like this: I know this world I dream of is illusory, but maybe we human beings can create it.

Jesus was probably the biggest hypocrit of all time. He knew deep down he wasn't the son of some imaginary deity. But he did realize that the cruel, stultifying culture of the time needed to be overturned. And the best way to do that would be convince everyone that there is a kind, merciful god behind it all, and that a nice reward is waiting just around the corner, if you'd just stop treating others like an exploitative jackass.

In essence: convince enough people that the world is good and just, and it really will become more good and just.

The first guy to be bluepill was probably thinking something similar. He was living in victorian england surrounded by harlots and wenches, or perhaps in the age of chivalry watching guinevere fuck lancelot behind arthur's back... and nevertheless he decided: maybe if we all collectively say "yas queen", women will become worthy of the pedestal.

Thus, thanks to Sir Blue Pillington the medieval bard, the era of the gentleman was born. And people still follow in his footsteps to this day, convincing others that women are wonderful, that a Real Man is the best thing to be, and that one can achieve sexual success through some combination of self improvement, strong faith in the fundamental goodness of the Feminine, and quiet penitence before the Lord. It may not be true, but who knows... if enough people believe it, perhaps it will be.

superlurkage · 2020-01-30T16:03:12+00:00

Blue pill just means “status quo”. Why is this so hard for people to wrap their heads around? Does using “the norm” just not make you feel “speshal” enough?

Title	Malicious blue-pilling is a thing
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Date	January 30, 2020 6:25 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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