Relationships lost the feels and magic for me after taking the RP. It's like Santa died and you see Christmas for what it really is.

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May 28, 2017

I'll try to keep this short.

Ever since I found the red pill and having been done with the anger-phase, started to internalize the knowledge I gained from this sub and have seen so many truths that I just can't turn back anymore. It was like believing that the earth was flat, and then being sent to the moon for a couple of months to see our big round marble rotating around the sun, you just can't unsee it. I don't need to explain my beta past, we've all been there.

But I learned that I won't be able to marry, I just don't see any incentive at all just besides pleasing potentially religious parents in law. None of my family members had a stable marriage is one instance, seeing what happens around me is another. I've been to weddings, I've seen happy couples getting together. One couple was to each other their first, the second guy married a girl that only had him as a partner, while he has had many, and she's a solid chick. The third was the opposite, where the guy only had one girl, the one he married that day, and she was the one freaking out over being pregnant after having fucked in Cancun during spring break. You guessed it, she was getting old, he had the bucks, she tied him down. It's also the only girl that doesn't seem to like me but just tolerates me.

I doubt I will ever in my life fall in love like I used to, which I honestly miss because it was a hell of a drug. Taking the red pill is like being told that santa isn't real, the magic is gone and christmas isn't as exciting as it used to be. It's just a get-together holiday with pretty lights. It's something I thought of, but realized that at this very moment, it is very true. A relationship is now nothing to me besides an agreement that "We fuck each other and get all our needs met on the agreement that you don't fuck anyone else" which is pretty much like a business agreement saying "We will pay X for Y quantity of Z quality over the course of period from T to S". I learned to have sympathy with cheaters as truth be told, after listening to their stories, I could understand. It's not like it's a hobby to fuck anyone else while you are perfectly happy. I wouldn't blame anyone for fucking someone else while they are only being fucked once a season, and I internally laugh at those that don't fuck their partner more often than once every three months that they didn't see this coming.

Just this week I met a chick in the city, talked briefly, exchanged numbers, went out, had fun and applied RP, ended up in her bed and fucked her. Tons of guys approaching her, she was going nuts why I'm not jealous and whatnot, even complaining why I didn't kiss her. Before RP I used to be very shy around girls, now I bedded a girl like it's the most natural thing without any much thrill. Relationships lost the feels for me, and it's just all about the agreement... And women thought like this all along. Women are thinking with feelings, yet they know how to break and control a beta, want a man with status, financial stability, high income, and don't hesitate to branch-swing from the good to the better, as easy as upgrading from a BMW 3-series to a BMW M5, because in the eyes of a woman, you're like a car, like a tool for their life and not an emotional being. I've written a post about how women try to control men with sex, and one of my exes confirmed how she operated. She didn't want me to get too close to her, so she would withdraw sex, but once I started to wonder away and tell her I don't see this relationship working out, she fucked me three times that sames evening with all passion until I was satisfied again and we went another out of many weeks without sex, until the cycle repeated itself.

Women operate on their feelings, but they don't look for feelings from you, just values. Social Value, Monetary Value, Security Value. Play the game, estabilish the transactions. I provide what you want (named values), provide me what I want (the key to opening your legs at any desired time, good cooking, being exciting to spice up my life). Losing the feelings for relationships, the magic of Santa and other similar losses feel much like withdrawal from drugs. You want to get that fix, but can't get it, and I just dread it. Eventually, it will fade and I will find my fix elsewhere like in extreme sports. It's just a bit annoying, but something that everyone must go through.

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Title Relationships lost the feels and magic for me after taking the RP. It's like Santa died and you see Christmas for what it really is.
Author ozaku7
Upvotes 709
Comments 156
Date 28 May 2017 02:14 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Adi2208 points points [recovered] | Copy

I strongly resonate with what you are feeling. The illusion we had was completely at disconnet with reality but equally beautiful.

[–]unknownknowledge53 points54 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can't unsee what you've seen unfortunately or maybe fortunately depending on your viewpoint.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse42 points43 points  (3 children) | Copy

The benefits are clear but love was the worst possible thing to lose.

[–]Bloody_hood28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

Damn guys this happened to me with religion.

Just cause it's fake doesn't mean it not beautiful

[–]Bloody_hood5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anyway maybe having list religion desensitized me to be able to handle the red pill? Truth don't give a fuck about our fantasies

[–]1Yakatonker24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some people think the matrix and the red pill are just metaphors. The horrors of reality show us this is not the case what so ever. Those homely beautiful unicorns are now revolting vampires who take pleasure in the destruction and subjugation of men they hate, red or blue pilled.

The establishment knows the jig is up with women and now they're trying to rebuild the matrix of woman, except as the digitized form unrealized. How many men will be able to resist that when the time comes? The war to subjugate our powers of productivity and production is a never ending one.

[–]sup1337hax4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It really is like seeing the Matrix... no wonder they call it the red pill.

[–]goadsaid3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yupp. Exactly. Bite the apple, paradise lost.

[–]ARUKET208 points209 points  (12 children) | Copy

This is common in the beginning. When I first discovered RP over two years ago I broke up with my gf of almost 3 years within a month. But eventually, you may realize relationships are still very much doable. I very often see guys complain about how girls are no longer feminine, and how modern dating culture is extremely degenerate, and yet every post is all about how many girls I'm fucking bro heh smashing all these hb10s bro and I don't even give a fuck bro just fuck bitches and lift heh. You are contributing to the degeneracy - how do you expect traditional gender roles to resurface? You are taking RP knowledge and using it for hedonistic pursuits of pleasure and nothing else.

There is a balance to be found. You can enter relationships with women without being a total cuck. You will find that women often take the lead of a strong man. I've had two long term gfs since discovering TRP and they both ditched the whole independent career womyn shtick they convinced themselves into believing, very quickly. My current gf has taken an interest in cooking, wearing dresses/skirts almost exclusively, etc. just becoming a very feminine woman moreso than she was. This is because she looks up to me and I hold her to a certain standard.

I'm not saying it will be like a Disney movie, but you can make the return to traditional gender roles in your own life if you put in some effort. Not everyone here is content with just spinning plates until they die alone. Some of us want to restore civilization.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 70 points71 points  (7 children) | Copy

These kind of posts restore my faith in TRP. It may be time for new experiences to redefine how I see relationships.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

There was a post here a while ago, like maybe a couple of years ago, by one of the endorsed contributers. Tl;dr of it was that when we say all women are like that(AWALT), doesn't mean all women are like that. We say it in the same sense that gun enthusiast say "every gun is loaded" every gun is definitely not loaded but you treat it so by not pointing at people in case it is. Basically all women are not like that but never let your guard down and put a woman in a position where they can fuck you over. Many people that disagree with RP by are very successful women often do this intuitively from young age.

I think this key point gets forgotten around this sub a lot. I've met many women that are nothing like the shallow emotionless many think they are. Another thing to note is that often times the environment our type looks for women(bars, clubs, dating websites) are filled with the worst of worst. Point is never lose hope, there absolutely are women out there that are the way you once imagined them to be, BUT they are a small, often introverted and hard to come by, so never let your guard down and let you emotions cloud your judgment and intuition

[–]1ozaku7[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was a post here a while ago, like maybe a couple of years ago, by one of the endorsed contributers. Tl;dr of it was that when we say all women are like that(AWALT), doesn't mean all women are like that.

Yet now we are stuck with a religious sense of information transformation or whatever you would like to call it. This AWALT principle makes exactly sense, much like the "every gun is loaded" so you're not caught off guard.

But there are lots of RP youngsters that spew AWALT in every direction and copypaste typical hate phrases about women, which in turn gives TRP a bad name. Much like that Islam isn't a hateful religion either, but there are a bunch of fucktards who interpret things differently, radicalize and start blowing shit up. That's what is happening to TRP.

Which is why I'm actually in favor of censorship when it comes to cleaning TRP from those toxic fucktards.

[–]OptiLaSeR12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's actually the opposite. Men want love from women just like their mom gave them. All non rpers puruse this, the women pursue the chads therefore. So until and unless every man knows this, this degeneracy will continue as girsl want feelz.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are also looking for their daddy in their men, that's why we have to treat them like daughters. Think about it.

[–]OptiLaSeR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your avg guys are not daddies. They don't have frame. They do approval seeking behaviours with women whereas a dad doesn't . Your disney guys don't want to be a daddy. They want sex but they can't hold the frame of a dad. They want sex and pursue the love like their moms from their gfs.

[–]ARUKET3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is why we need to spread RP teachings to our friends my dude.

My bros take my words on women & relationships seriously because they know I'm more successful in this realm than they are. Take a stand and lead by example so that we may begin to restore proper gender roles.

[–]Gallobrax1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I too like the OP have struggled with the subject matter discussed. I'm not sure if I identify with this "feeling of Christmas" but the comparison is relative. Indeed, I have simply viewed the affections of the opposite sex in vein of the same linear logic we use as men for all things: honor, justice and solidarity.

After all if the above does not exist in a relationship there is no bond or unity. This face and RP knowledge coupled with my own experiences has had me loose faith in women - that no matter what I do, society will ultimately indoctrinate and subordinate the fairer sex to goals and a direction which will never exist. A lesson all women seem to learn when it's to late.

You have however inspired me to reconsider my thoughts.

[–]asymptotic_salvation8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

With great power comes great responsibility. It's been this way for millenia, that's why it's a cliché.

The reason modern men are rejecting the truth of it is because feminism, and the leftist movement in general, have sought to burden men with the 'great responsibility', whilst stripping them of any and all power. (See: child support, welfare, 2nd class citizenship, dangerous and dirty jobs etc)

Imo, there is a hierarchy of the male movements ordered by the level of abstraction they operate at, and their proximity to the 'truth': MRA < MGTOW < TRP < Reactionaries

Personally, I don't necessarily denigrate any man for being at one particular level instead of another, but I do believe the ideal would be for more men to traverse up the hierarchy.

[–]ARUKET2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn man, nice. This is such a great comment and I've never looked at it this way. We still bear the responsibility, by and large, to maintain civilization, but lose more and more power by the day on every level. Cultural, institutional, governmental.

I am a humble man and don't want to involve myself in the MRA movement trying to change things on a societal level. Most of us are not built for that, others can bear that burden. But the average guys among us can make the necessary changes in our own lives, and hopefully inspire friends to do the same. And thus, the changes society needs to see in regards to men will happen from the ground up.

[–]asymptotic_salvation2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am a humble man and don't want to involve myself in the MRA movement trying to change things on a societal level. Most of us are not built for that, others can bear that burden. But the average guys among us can make the necessary changes in our own lives, and hopefully inspire friends to do the same. And thus, the changes society needs to see in regards to men will happen from the ground up.

Brother you're so right.

Part of the pathology of postmodernism / leftism is that it tells people the problem is out there. That if they could only change this one government policy, curtail the actions of this one organisation, the Utopia™ would be ushered in.
That's why you have 20 year old kids protesting at debates about free speech -- seriously trying to shut the event down...

It's also why the MRA movement is doomed to fail, and why it's at the bottom of that hierarchy. Because it's just another flavour of the same pathology, albeit a more rational one.

the average guys among us can make the necessary changes in our own lives

'The line between Good and Evil runs down the centre of every human heart' is what they say. So making the necessary changes in one's own life is all any guy can really do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

God damn you get it. It's annoying to see so many people here think relationships or marriage are inherently anti-red pill. Not at all

Yes, RP means you won't have that same "she's the one" lovey dovey "perfect for each other" bull shit that blinded you in your past. Yes it will be annoying now that you can recognize in-relationship shit tests, importance of maintaining high value, and other things. But it's far easier to manage this stuff successfully now knowing the playbook than "she loves me for who I am" bs from before.

This sub when applied right should help with all phases of being a man, whether it's single, relationship, or married

[–]yomalolo321 points322 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you can make Christmas beautiful without believing in Santa I postulate you can make relationships beautiful without believing in Hollywood romance.

[–]RedsideoftheMoon115 points116 points  (2 children) | Copy

Absolutely, I don't know how long ago some of you guys took the pill but that's very common in the beginning. I took the red pill about a year and a half ago. For the better part of this year I've been able to have healthy relationships with women. The process is different for everyone, but it's clear that what you need to do is

(a) get over your obsession with a past relationship/relationships in general

(b) become the center of your universe/be comfortable being alone

I accomplished (b) by finding my passion in life and pursuing it. I'm perfectly fine if I don't see pussy for a month and yet I've been sleeping with higher quality women than I did last year without really even pursuing them

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Beautiful, TRP needs more of this.

[–]Hitleresque22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Came here to say this. You can love a woman and have a healthy happy relationship, when executed well it's one of the best partnerships nature has ever produced. Applying RP principles is the best way to maintain a stable LTR , just always act accordingly and don't ignore the red flags should they start popping up.

[–]le_king_falcon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This whole post is problem of perspective.

If your expecting santa then real Christmas is no fun. If you are expecting a good fun holiday with family and friends where you have permission to eat and drink too much then you can meet your expectations.

If you are expecting undying, unconditional love from a woman sprinkled with porn level sex on tap then sir you will be dissappointed. If you expect a woman to be nothing more than accessory to your already awesome life with he knowledge you can replace her at any time it's pretty easy to enjoy women for what they are and what they bring.

Essentially the problem isn't women but you. You are the one with the ridiculous expectations.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you and I extend the idea....relationships are more beautiful without believing in Hollywood romance. I had a 4.5 year LTR recently...the first 2 years was maybe/maybe not, then there was a near branch swing....the final 2.5 years it was perfectly clear: She was leaving me to go to grad school. When she didn't get in the first round, she took a gap year with me. We ate and exercised and fucked and it was wonderful 10/10 would do again. Hollywood romance would have destroyed it.

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points  (10 children) | Copy

It passes.

I don't enjoy my dogs any less because they love whomever feeds them

[–]1ozaku7[S] 18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

I guess that's true. Maybe I'm just in an unfulfilling relationship at the moment.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (3 children) | Copy

Saved this till I got back from the park, as this deserves a more expansive comment.

Yes and no. She may be quality, and she may not. The fact you are uncertain is a common one. Most of the guys at MRP have the same phase with their women, usually when they get their shit together, then start resenting their wives for being low quality.

Thing is, they are pretty interchangeable. 90% of women can be as good as any woman.

The lack of quality and fufilment outta here, is ultimately on you. Your ability to lead her to be that woman, to desire the high value man. And when you don't see it, you get angry, not at her, but it's at yourself. your ego just puts it on her, because it's easier than admitting any measure of failure.

Now, I don't want the tone of this to 'man up and be faithful' or any nonsense. It's like a mechanic and his car. If his car runs like crap, he needs to fix it, or get rid of it.

Of course, this usually passes. One of two things happen. He gives it the good college try. Leads her to be better sexually, better in whatever other ways he finds valuable. If he's high value, girls tend to do what they have to do to keep one, up to, and including sharing him with side pieces (so long as he keeps discreet)

Or, she resists constantly, and he eventually kicks her to the curb.

thing is, the uncertain man, who isn't sure. Thats you right now. you're not the man to make that decision.

So the best strategy we've seen is the sparring partner doctrine. Whatever it is you did that caused her to think where she is was sufficient? Work on that. Not for her, but for you. She is your wing chun wooden dummy. all the shit tests, comfort tests, adventures in the bedroom, all of it. You are getting your shit together for when you see someone who is fufiling, so you aren't unloading your same problems onto the next one down the line.

Luckily, 90% of women see the writing on the wall, have a 'main event' or the mother-of-all comfort tests, and then you give a 'come to jesus' speech. Bam, she submits, you lead, captain/XO model, everyone is happier for it. the other 10%, at least you know if thats your category, that you won't be making that mistake again, and you got your shit down tight.

But thats a problem for tomorrow homer, todays homer doesn't have to worry about it.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I needed this, thank you! This is why I like TRP. You make it sound reasonable, healthy, free of hate and with a proactive approach. Change what you have control over, don't waste your time on things you don't have control over.

I will reread this tomorrow again.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

A little anger. Its the best way to get a guy to do something about it.

[–]NibblyPig30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy

Your dogs will love you even if you neglect them, their love is unconditional. They are the Disney love story. They won't walk away one day because they meet another owner in the park that gives them the tingles.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

The big guy, we got from a family. Dad was tired of him peeing on the floor, mom couldn't be bothered to train him.

He loved their kids, they cried when we took em.

Don't think he'd remember them.

And I find it a useful metaphor to 'it's just your turn'. It's not some Machiavellian mastermind, looking to branch swing. It's just circumstances, happenstance. She let life happen to her, followed her emotions, and has an ego protection mechanism we call 'war brides'

Having it adversarial, like some dark triad woman would be great, guys are great at conflict. Unfortunately, it's the random connection of circumstance, emotions, and the removal of social stigmas.

So yeah, his love is unconditional. and if he's ever stolen, or another family finds him and keeps him, he'll unconditionally love them too

[–]TheHeroWeAllNeed points points [recovered] | Copy

I haven't read this sub in a while but I remember seeing your posts before when you became EC, damn dude your comments in here are on fire. Thank you.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours121 points122 points  (11 children) | Copy

You want the Disney™ love story? Fall in love live happily ever after? Yeah about that, probably not gonna happen.

I old, been through the grinder of life. I'm not bitter, despite the harpy old fat chicks screeching it at me. What I am is not delusional about life, and especially girls. Girls don't make me happy. I make me happy. Giving girls is fun, something I need to do to stay sane to be honest, but in no way does the girl I fuck reflect on my value, capability, knowledge, or skills. (Outsideof game skills) They're a plaything, fun for somethings, not applicable for others.

My life is so much more than the sum total of girls I've fucked. No matter how hot they were 20 years ago, they're not now. The 20 year olds I've been giving will look like shit in another 20 years. What I've done and achieved far exceeds girls, and that my friend is where the magic of life, the great satisfaction of being resides. In what I've accomplished, seen, experienced, and achieved. Fucking a girl is not an achievement. It's a pastime, hobby, something to do when bored.

Pussy should not be the motivating factor in your life, money is nearly as superficial as girls. You're damn right both are fun to have in abundance, and a lack of them sucks, but there is so much you can do with neither of them. Frontier get to where money isn't an issue and you're no longer trading hours for dollars, but do it to get the freedom to do what you like to do, not just to have lots of money. Money goes away, girls come and go your entire life, what you do, what you remember, that stays with you for life. Make your life the focus, and everything else is how you get what you want from the short time you get here.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is what senior endorsed sounds like. Self generated happiness and ZFG

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck, your house alone interests me more than any chick I've known.

[–]Scandinavianredpill38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah you have to apply dread regularly without going overboard. If you go overboard you damage your relationsship and the trust - if you apply low key dread it gives her an emotional wave. You have to realize most women are thrill seeking in nature - they don't have innate ambitions like us so they are a slave to emotions. If you can make her ride a wave of emotions you will be a drug she wants to keep taking.

[–]NibblyPig15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Think this is what he is saying though, it is all formulaic and not exciting. Excelling in a subject is rewarding, like becoming a tennis champion and winning a tournament. But if someone tells you the secret to winning, to hit the ball to the left, and every single opponent you play after that succombs to this one simple trick, you will get bored of all of them and will feel you're just going through the motions. Their emotions will be high with the excitement of playing such a good player as you, but you will be cold and dead inside, longing for a time when you won with blood sweat tears and a lot of luck.

[–]showerdudes996 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is the best thing ive read in a long time

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Saying "without going overboard" is about as useful as "just be yourself".

When should dread be applied, and when shouldn't it?

[–]Scandinavianredpill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girl I am dating currently I mostly let her write me. I will respond but not rush out of my way to do so and generally I write her slower in between. When she is giving me compliments I return them but in a lower degree most of the time. If she gets too emotionally insecure I sense that and I comfort her. If she for some reason have been a bitch I will resceduele our next meeting further out - so we might get 2-3 days away from each other. whenever we are together I provide value by making her laugh and being interesting in her as a person as well as being the one to have figured out activities. So of course dread is also reliant upon providing good value - but we all know if you just provide great value women will take it for granted in a heartbeat.

If it was a plate I would simply be applying dread by focusing on my own needs ( writing her when I want to fuck). By keeping a minimal investment.

[–]hobo_teacher points points [recovered] | Copy

I'm there with you bud. I was with a girl, literally perfect in her behavior towards me. Treated me like a god. Argued well, when we mostly just talked about my leaving town in the future and what we'd do. All the things you want in a relationship.

And she was beautiful.

Beyond TRP for whatever reason I was never that attracted to her. But in terms of RP, I never got the tingles for her like she did for me. I always felt a bit bad, but I'm sure my aloofness is part of what attracted her to me.

I even let myself go a little BP, which I think you have to do in an LTR to some degree (providing comfort). But like you said I never did jump in with both feet 'in love,' I just tried to enjoy the time we had together like the holiday that it was.

In Disney terms, she was perfect I should have married her. But I couldn't take my mind off the fact that if she had a change of heart she'd walk away with half. I just couldn't take that risk. I couldn't settle for a pussy that my balls told me was mediocre. For life.

Ultimately, like you said, I can just find my fix elsewhere. No risk. There are plenty more of her out there, though her type isn't easy to find.

[–]d0lphinsex26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

But in terms of RP, I never got the tingles for her like she did for me.

"The perfect relationship is one where the woman loves the man and the man likes the woman." - Patrice O'Neal

[–]chance012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

RIP to Mr. P: Patrice O'Neal. He laid down a lot of RP in his comedy. He and Bill Burr are way up there in my book of RP.

[–]RedDeadlift18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

I had almost the exact same situation. I had a gorgeous girl who was head over heels for me. She had a bit of a temper though, and the sex was mediocre.

After 2 years, I had to end it because I absolutely will never get married with the laws in the US the way they are. I didn't want to waste her time. I just can't take the risk with no upside, no matter how perfect the girl is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

meh. It's her time to waste. Unless you were less than fully honest about your position.

[–]RedDeadlift4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah good point. I was honest from the beginning.

[–]kasper1388 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's one of my biggest problem. I know that aloof=desire. Even just knowing how attraction works brings a whole nother meta to it. It's like, what I would want is to find a women who also knows the bullshit games and doesn't feel like playing them. But that's not possible because they live by the game. If you ask me, men are the only ones capable of checking out of it and still benefiting in most regards.

[–]yomo865 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The biggest lie of all. The core of the matrix if you will, is that love, as whatever you define it, is not infinite in time and/or quality.

[–]jm51-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

But I couldn't take my mind off the fact that if she had a change of heart she'd walk away with half.

So much for outcome independence. :)

It's just shit man. She takes half your shit? Get more shit. She doesn't get half of your qualifications or half of your business network. She just gets shit that you can easily replace.

If you have chosen wisely, can be difficult nowadays I agree but a wise choice gets you a good mother for your children. If it doesn't work out, she will still love your children more than she ever hates you.

If she has decent standards, (which is why you chose her,) your children will be raised decent.

Once the initial angst from the divorce has passed, you will be seen as her best option wrt having a cheap and reliable babysitter/childminder.

That's a best 'worst case scenario' and imo it isn't that bad. The worst 'worst case scenario' is down to making a bad choice when deciding who will be the mother of your children.

[–]morexel6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Angst against divorce. Lol. Give me a hundred grand and then casually dismiss it as non life changing.

[–]tallwheel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL. Yeah. Just find a unicorn, bro. You'll be fine. /s

[–]grewapair13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

The next stage of your realization is that relationships still take the same amount of investment on your part as they always did, it's just now you realize you aren't even getting ten percent of what you thought you were.

If you're very handsome, the amount of effort it takes to sustain a relationship with a woman who is using you for your looks is very low, so it's still worth it, but just barely.

If you are not very handsome, I mean 8+ handsome, the effort it takes to sustain a relationship is herculean, for almost no benefit, other than the fake benefits you imagined, but weren't there. Now add in the risks of child support, herpes, false rape, divorce rape if you are stupid enough to get married, and you can see that the effort just isn't worth the costs and risks. Once you wake up, as a lower 80 percentile man, this whole thing is a colossal waste of energy, money and time, as you will literally never come out ahead.

Yes, if you're a 6'2 skinny white guy with a bad haircut, you can jump from a 4 to an 8 or 9. The number of guys like that who come on here and tell us how easy it was is laughable because they think everyone else can jump that far with a little effort like they did. But if you're 5'8", unless you're exceptional, if you put in a ton of effort, the best you can hope for is to go from being ignored to being used, with the occasional drunken lay here and there. After a while, it gets old.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Watch some rsd YouTube videos. Those guys are ugly af. They still get action.

[–]grewapair1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

...and no one ever staged a video to sell something?

[–]Ocupheus points points [recovered] | Copy

That third guy's wife now only hates you because you can see through her. The RP opens your eyes up.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I figured that could be true.

[–]alchamest2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be honest, I have a mate who recently started living with a girl straight off the bat, she is from the US ( we are in Australia) and this chick was doing work for his brother, they hooked up, business changed and i think my mate trying to help everyone out, entered into a defacto relationship straight off the bat, get this, , , she doesn't even have to pay rent whilst living in one of the most expensive cities in world.

I did ask him what the F*** he was doing, considering he just broke up with a LTR of about 4 years ( who he never lived with). But he seemed ok with what he was doing, happy to help and save a damsel. whilst he gets sex on tap, so maby its just a transactional set up, still i believe she is playing him to her advantage/

So when i go to his place, i am civil but don't pretend to be interested in her and she usually takes off, i'll be honest, i think she can sense that i see through her. Reading your post kinda makes me think this is even more likely

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nothing really has changed because the "feels and magic" that you have "lost" never exisited anyway. It was all in your head and you created those feelings by yourself for yourself.

Now you are free to love women as they actually are and in the masculine way you were meant.

Women want and need to submit to an authority and you can love them like adopted daughters without needing them for something they cant provide and you actually dont need

[–]Skayruss2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been experiencing this, actually. Im remembering back when I was a child I was aggressive, and my mother spent more time with me than my father, so you know how that goes. Disney and all that shit. I've been here five months peeling away all the bullshit and my natural tendencies are just being cold and aloof. Everything I was raised on was a self-reinforcing lie.

[–]ShakaLeonidas8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

DABDA D- Denial A- Anger B- Bargaining D- Depression A- Acceptance

DABDA is the greif-realization cycle of Death. Swallowing TRP is a tough pill to swallow. You are essentially killing your Blue Pill perspective of the world and female nature. People internalize and cope at different speeds and the impact varies from person to person. You can (and will) relapse into different phases. You will discover different things about yourself and all of it won't be good. Alot of it will be confusing and you will see that its layers upon layers to sort out. That's why its called "falling down the rabitt hole."

Im Dark Triad, Alpha, a veteran, hardened by life, all that stuff and guess what? TRP STILL fucked me up for 2 and a half years. Why? Because I know its true. I knew it was the truth before i knew what it was. The glitches in the matrix just kept happening. I wasnt just unplugged, i was ejected from the matrix. The nihilism and cynicism most experience during the A-B-D-A is what leads to SUICIDE, serious mental and physical health problems. Aswell as what the world labels "toxic" masculinity". Thankfully there's a growing community of unplugged men that can assist in the transition. Provide you with tools and experience to help you find YOUR path. I don't know how long You've been unplugged but things get a little easier. Not alot but a little. The melancholy jade with female relationships your experiencing is you making your self your mental point of origin and realizing that even with redpill skills and awareness, you can't accomplish the bluepill idealistic dream.

"Cipher" in The Matrix movie wanted back into the "matrix" But under his own conditions with his mind wiped of all knowledge of his current life.

(Purple pills, The "Family" Alphas, "my SMV is all i need" masters of the universe etc. ALL try to validate their interactions and responses from females in the sexual marketplace with psuedo-pill currency. Instead of it being simply the survival transaction that it actually is. Be the relationship quid-pro-quo, investment based or highly manipulative)

He knew that he could manipulate the matrix to an extent by simply plugging in with the rest of the hackers(PUA) and utilizing his awareness of programming. Only thing is he didn't want to continually struggle with the fact that he was "Aware" of his actual existence in the world and what the matrix really was. He even knew the steak he was eating while talking to agent smith, was not real. "I know this steak [...] is just a signal the matrix is sending to my brain... after 9 years you know what the matrix has taught me? Ignorance is bliss." Cipher never re-intergrated back into the matrix under his conditions and ignorant. Ignorance or it's desire for it leads to exploitation and or untimely death. Just like what occured with Cipher.

I say all this to say dont get trapped in the hedonistic nature to seek gratification or validation in females. They are capricious and fickle. They just are. There's a sliding scale as to how much each woman can exercise her exploitave abilities over men in a romantic context, but they all can and will do it. The relationship is always symbiotic and parasitic. Some parodies kill people and some keep the host alive. It's a damned if you do, damned if ya don't you're of thing.

[–]thisisathrowaway600152 points53 points  (12 children) | Copy

So I'm taking a shit at the gym so I'm going to have to keep this short. If you were in a bad relationship before, it would make sense that the Red Pill would "ruin" your existing relationship. This is mostly because you're not living as your greatest self if the red pill has the ability to radically change your existing world view.

That being said, love and emotions are still a very real thing. Though men don't seem to be as actively aware of them as a woman is, you can still find yourself enthralled by the presence of a woman that brings out the lover in you.

The magic is still there friend. Just keep yourself open to it. You can still "fall in love" without sacrificing your masculinity. You can still marry with a prenup and still have a real marriage - that is on the condition that you want to marry of course.

There is a lot of practical wisdom here though it doesn't always take into account that men have feelings. If you would like to reassociate yourself with some of the most powerful feelings of being a a man, I would recommend reading The Way of the Superior Man, and the Alabaster Girl. There are great lessons here that can help relieve some of the "gray-ness" that can accompany swallowing the pill.

[–]InterNetting12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't prenups get thrown out by judges that's why the general consensus is to never marry?

[–]yomo8613 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes for various reasons and that is the fallacy of prenups. A prenup has to be formally a-ok - which is hard (two independent lawyers, both get counseling, lawyers are paid independently etc.) and the content which is to be interpreted by a judge and not ex ante - meaning as an impartial party at the time of the drafting - but ex post ie the current outcome of rules in the contract. It is easier to argue the need of a provision of a contract in regards to the selling of organs than trying to keep a prenup alive so that all your assets are protected.

Remember: Historically, prenups used to be used as a vehicle of wealthy ladies to protect their fortune from low-income men they wanted to marry ie "husband-up" a 19th century Chad after hubby passed away. Prenups were never intended to work for men.

[–]menial_optimist10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree with this. It seems there are many subschools of RP, that all agree on the core principles but have their own views on certain details probably based on experience. Many users post comments sort of advocating completely shutting down that part of a man that experiences love, affection and such. I could not imagine personally living a life where this part of me is completely shut down. From an evolutionary psychology perspective there must be a reason men experience attachment and love to women to ensure the survival of our species. It's completely natural and normal. The challenge is understanding it through books like you mentioned and other RP philosophies combined with experience. After all nearly anyone could pick up a paintbrush and paint a wall, but not everyone understands the principles behind painting.

I've not had a plate or LTR in over 5 years. The simple act of hanging out with my friend and his wife when I go home sometimes I feel deeply alone and envious. But i'm working on the slow and gradual process of improving myself, but I'm literally starting at the bottom of the barrel. I often think while driving home from there "Is this all I have? Hanging out with my friend and his wife in his basement over a few beers while their child is sleeping upstairs?". I want to travel, I want to have a blast, I want to do wild shit, I want to have plates swooning off me. I want power not for the sake of dominating others but for the sake of self-protection and dignity.

[–]slayoughter3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

about 8 years ago, I was close to three hundred pounds and I didn't realize how bad it got until I was hanging with some friends and a random hater said "I like your shoes...They're fat guy shoes." I still remember the feeling I had running on the treadmill in my mom's basement listening to my sister's zune, because I couldn't afford my own iPod. A few years later, I fucked that guys ex girlfriend. I lost 100 pounds gain 30 pounds of muscle. I've lost track of how many girls i've been with. The thing is that I have never stopped feeling alone, but if you take that journey, loneliness won't look so bad. The battles, the sacrifice, the knowledge of how to negotiate with oneself can fill any void.

[–]menial_optimist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha. Hey, I had a Zune and they were pretty sweet. I had a 8gb one that was way smaller than an iPod. I loved it.

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend points points [recovered] | Copy

So I'm taking a shit at the gym so I'm going to have to keep this short.

I don't know if this is incredibly gross or totally alpha...

[–]slay_it_forward5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

I have lots of time when I'm dropping a large deuce.

[–]Sara_Solo8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

am i the only one that has never needed more than like 30 seconds??? unless it turns into a jerkoff session lol

[–]kenpachitz points points [recovered] | Copy

unless it turns into a jerkoff session

You know, this is something I'd always been weirded out by.

How does being on the toilet sometimes get me horny as fuck?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It might have to do with the fact while you are on the toilet, you mind wanders and possibly into things like women you want to fuck.

[–]Sara_Solo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

probably has something to do with prostate stimulation

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Me before TRP:

there is no feeling more wonderful than coming inside the girl I love

Me after TRP:

I will never again trust a woman enough to come inside her

[–]NibblyPig7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

After TRP I became accidental MGTOW. I just focus on myself and can barely stand to think of playing pointless shallow games to bed some dull uninteresting wench.

[–]le_king_falcon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not being able to bust a nut bare again is about the only thing about being RP that worries me. Nothing feels close.

Condoms are shit and the average girl is so bad at sucking dick that blowing a load in her throat is rarer than I'd like.

[–]iamtheswoop8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I deconverted from my primary Religion and became an Atheist I went through the exact same thing as far as my core beliefs we're concerned. A whole year of looking at the world as if everyone we're literally crazy, it was very disheartening and depressing....As I get into TRP now it doesn't shock me at all and I'm able to get into the mindset fairly easy since I've already experienced a mental shock to my system. The good news is after living in your new mindset for a while you begin to see life in a whole new way and the most wonderful and beautiful aspects of life start staring right back and you'll find a new level of happiness you never even knew existed. So hold on, stay the course and things will get awesome.

[–]SheriffBart427 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Relationships are a lie as you see. You fuck women for one of two purposes, pleasure and reproduction.

Now that you know the magic is BS you can find a woman who is mother material. The only important quality. Or just bang sluts, whatever. You're free, enjoy.

[–]NeoreactionSafe12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy


The Blue Pill mythology has done serious damage to women as well as men.

Just as beta males lack knowledge of masculinity the Feminist culture damages women and destroys their feminine polarity from within.


  • The Blue Pill mythology destroys both masculinity and femininity.


The trick will be to either find or "develop" a woman into something more feminine. I know... impossible.

Some guys talk of going to Eastern Europe to find the last refuge of feminine women, but that's extreme for most of us.


If both masculinity and femininity is in place then attraction would be sufficient for both.


[–]industrythrowaway_13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here's what I see is wrong with what you wrote. For a brief second you started to give women individuality and agency, and then you fell right back in the trap of assuming that they are some sort of monolithic group. You have such an adversarial in versus out group mentality that you aren't even trying to deal with people as individuals like yourself. The things you wrote make me think that you are in a very toxic / solipsistic space where you think you are the only thinking / feeling individual in these interactions.

You need to get out of that because it makes you sound beta as fuck. You know why I say that?

You seem to think that fucking a girl is the final proof that you are doing this interaction right, but the fact you aren't getting anything out of it, and these girls are moving on to other people from you, means that you aren't bringing anything else to the table. Yes, women want things. Men want things too. When you are big enough and have enough going on in your own live to make you happy you can approach interactions with women as though you are equals and find that you both get something out of the relationship.

But your whining about girls wanting guys with money and status makes me think you have none and you want everyone to just be OK with that and accept you for the mediocre catch that you are. Fuck that. Improve yourself. Improve your status. Find what makes you happy. Find what you need in a relationship, and then go out and treat women like they are individuals who are also searching, also making this whole thing up as they go along and find someone who makes you want to be a better you.

Most of all stop whining. Stop assuming that you deserve something because you have a dick. You deserve nothing. You are owed nothing. You have to fucking earn everything that you get in this world. Stop being a fucking pussy and be a better human.

[–]JohnGalt3165 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

christmas is still great even when you realize santa isn't real

[–]Dhraseon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So then my question is this: if you aknowledge that RP is the source of the misery then why not find the next step? Why not find a better point of view on life and shed the skin of your ignorant past? Relationships are only bomb if you make them bomb. You only get the feels if you let yourself get the feels. Not everyone gets married, and has kids. Additionally, why not take a note from the women and raise your standard? Not in any superficial way such as with social status, monetary value, but with how she personally connects with you. Life is only as good as you make it.

[–]Cunt_Robber4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

And another one successfully swallows and digests! Good for you OP. Your narrative does however, seem tinged with sadness at the reality. I dont even get sad about it anymore, Ive accepted it and moved on to find that "hellova drug" in other things. Women are just there. I'll still get a little sweaty when I'm flirting with a good-looking woman but the fact that I regularly interact with a couple HB7-9s at work has desensitized me even more.

If they were to only provide more value than they do, then I'd probably be able to get excited again. But at this point it's like I'm leasing used cars over and over and theyre all Hondas and Fords. Not even a fucking BMW. Everyone attractive has a high N count. Solid post.

[–]kasper1382 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Halloween is better than Christmas anyway.

[–]theredpill222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything in this life is impermanent.

You can still love, and feel loved. But you will know that these things can not and will not last.

This extends into every aspect of life. Enjoy whatever you have while it lasts, because nothing in this life lasts forever.

[–]scamper_22 points points [recovered] | Copy

I hear that. It really is soul crushing.

My sympathy for cheaters and other 'deviants' has gone through the roof. One of my wife's cousins is getting divorced. She is bipolar. Apparently the dad used to hit her in front of the kids. They're conservative Muslims.

Anyways, my wife mentioned this to her mother. Her mother is very traditional and said it always takes two to fight and your generation is weak. To my wife, him beating her in front of the kids was the line.

I had the opposite experience. My dad never hit my mother. But they also never really fought. The house become a deadzone. As far as screwing kids up, it screwed us up to have a father who was beaten into submissive silence.

I told my wife... you know... beating up your wife in front of kids can screw them up. But so can just turning the home into a deadzone.

That's just how I see it now. Cheating? Same thing. What do woman get out of marriage (from an Indian context). The girls tend to lie a lot. They get to keep their reputations. They get their family and community. The guys are workhorses. So hey, if they keep it quiet and keep her reputation in check, cheating isn't that bad.

Again... part of the new understanding.

It's messed up but everything is just transnational.

What I find messed up is I could lived a perfectly happy BP life. Just situations came up and all that mythology got crushed. I'm glad it did because Im a better person today. But that Santa clause dream was so close for me :P

[–]ShakaLeonidas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's some fresh insight. Different cultures have different ways of handling the same problems, but in the end get the same results. Death by fire or death by ice type shit. The "better to save face in public and cheat discretely" modus operandi is very standadard in middle and upper African American and Latin communities as well. "Out of sight, out of mind". Problem is some one always sees and it hurts the innocent parties(kids or faithful party) regardless

That movie "Fences" with Denzel Washington is a good example of the butterfly effect of moral lapses

[–]mochimeido0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

To me, it sounds like you are just thing to make excuses for degenerate behavior like cheating and beating people.

Regardless of gender abuse and cheating are wrong, I feel like that is a bad I point we should all be able to agree on. You sound like a feminist making excuses for a woman who cheats or abuses a man, quite frankly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is also why you shouldn't force someone to break their illusions about women, relationships, dating, seduction, etc. This is the reason you shouldn't go around trying to force-feed people red pills. The analogy holds true, and some people will have many years of happiness without the red pill. Many people will get married, start families, and have healthy relationships without the red pill. But some of us just don't have the same luck, and we look for a deeper understanding of why women act the way they do. Once we start to understand, and realize that AWALT, it is very emotionally jarring. It is tough to work through it. But the red pill is about seeing the world as it actually is rather than how you would have hoped it would be.

[–]Pro_Like_Me1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once you open Pandora's box, it can't be closed again

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Totally agreed, I believe that I have written the same thing somewhere recently. It's just that I looked back on how I saw my relationship vs now, and I miss it. It's as much as growing up and missing the magic of childhood sometimes :).

[–]redman1281 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No TL;DR, but considering the title, you should celebrate that RP finally takes effect on you.

[–]Satou41 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And women thought like this all along.

I'm still a bit uncanny valley, I'm still trying to go monk mode so I can have enough value. I thought I knew everything you were going to say. This part hit me hard.

[–]1swaglordobama1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You don't enter a relationship just for sex... you don't need to be in a relationship to have sex with a girl. You will have more sex outside of a relationship.

Furthermore, you can have relationships that are more open, so you can both fuck other people, have orgies, etc.

If you meet a girl who you really enjoy spending time with, who you have great chemistry with, why wouldn't you want a relationship with her? You will learn a lot and grow from the relationship, even if it is short lived due to your deep seeded hatred of women and scarcity mentality.

Vulnerability will cause you to expand and grow much faster than any "self-improvement" you make in the grips of the ego. Stoicism is a joke.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say I really hate women, I like them as long as they are fun and don't pull the kind of crap that they are capable of. Which is kind of contradictive, but hey. Dogs bite too, doesn't mean I hate dogs, just a few of them.

[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Usually when they pull that shit it's a wake up call to be more of a fucking man or lose the girl. Depends on the girl though; if she has low self esteem and is worried about you leaving her if you improved your life situation, then she will sabotage and poison drip you.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's only natural for an emotional gender honestly. If you can't get higher, you pull others lower.

[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are some great girls who will support you on your journey. They will have their own shit going on in their lives. They are the ones that are relationship worthy. Not some emotional wreck that fucks you for validation.

[–]OhZee1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me it's a lack of what used to feel like a total connection. I feel there's always a reserved part of myself that no one else gets. Affords me a unique position in all negotiations and exchanges with the opposite sex.

[–]grandaddychimp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Relationships are beautiful once again after you fully digest the pill. You will recognize them and women for what they really are and have a much more realistic viewpoint. You'll also get way more out of them because she will worship the ground you walk on if you play your cards properly.

[–]zephyrprime1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Women operate on their feelings, but they don't look for feelings from you, just values." Yeah it's really weird. This is one of the basic paradoxes. Since women operate out of feelings, why don't they value the feelings of men? They actually do - sort of. They value your good feelings. When you're feeling happy, when you're feeling confident, or even when you're feeling curious or adventurous - they appreciate these feelings from you. They are repulsed by any show of weak feelings from you though. Are they basically just evil creatures that don't care about the negative feelings of others and only care about your feelings when it benefits themselves?

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You mean they take all the good and reject all the bad? Sounds like a perfect deal to me, but in a way you are investing the good of you in them, but they don't invest time in you to improve your situation. Which leaves you in the spot where you fix her sinking boat but she is letting you sink. It's probaby not as bad, but you get the idea.

[–]HangingSalami1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a piece of the puzzle that RP and your way of thinking misses...imho. I've been trying to put my finger on it and I'm not quite clear...but here is my best try: Approaching and bedding women is not going to create meaning in your life. Being abused in a beta LTR is not going to give you meaning either. Meaning, challenge, significance, "happiness" are very complex challenges. A women, children, career, passion are all still possible I believe with full knowledge of RP. Not easy...but not impossible. Good Luck bro. RP principles are tools, not an over-arching philosophy to your entire

[–]Gelcoluir2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you can't enjoy a Christmas dining among your family, you might question yourself if you really took the pill.

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's only been a few months for me, also, and I'm still in a daze. For me, it's a similar feeling to when I accepted atheism. Lost and adrift. I have to believe that we can find meaning elsewhere. Philosophy and new experiences have helped a lot. And gazing into the eyes of a beautiful new woman is still pretty great, too.

[–]AlfredTheGreatest3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, relax a bit. These things have been true for all of time and will continue to be so. Love is still a real thing. Just keep your eyes open and avoid the pitfalls of betadom. RP knowledge is a tool. Use it.

[–]Danzzo361 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's funny because it's so true. We weren't meant to be monogamous creatures. We were meant to go out and fuck every woman we could in hopes of spreading our genes.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

With contraception, the selection of females goes out of the window. Fucking in modern times would be something as casual as going together on a drink. It's just that we are still stuck by previous believes of our ancestors who didn't have contraceptives and actually had to select who they fuck with.

[–]whatwasthatcat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I won't lie. I am bitter that I am redpilled and won't be able to feel love. So I try to make others swallow the redpill so they can feel my pain. Everyone here should be doing the same thing.

Of course love doesn't exist. Women only choose males based on his physical attraction, social status, or wealth. None of those are compatible with "love." "Love" is a noble, magical, positive, kind-hearted, unconditional feeling. Yet the above mentioned factors that dictate how women choose guys are about vile selfishness, lust, manipulation, and greed, none of which are consistent with "love." Some claim that love develops "after" the "partner selection" process. Well, what value would it have then? If you are choosing based on those vile, superficial factors, and then "love" someone after that, what value is there to that "love?" I mean, any 2 people spending time together in an intimate manner will be likely to interact in a manner which could be interpreted as "love," I mean if you are living in the same house, going for dates, etc.. you are eventually going to hold hands and get close and intimate, you are not going to start punching each other in the what value does "love" have if this is the reality?

Male bluepill is when they don't realize that women don't love them. Female bluepill is when the female falls in "love" with Chad after choosing him for his body. Yea, that's not love, that's just chemicals released, and when women have sex with a guy, there are chemicals released that make her more attached. This does not equate to "love" as we know it. It was completely derived from lust, and is a lower order evolutionary reaction. Therefore, it cannot be love.

When I see couples kissing or holding hands, it is a bittersweet moment: on one hand I am bitter that they are so bluepilled to be able to enjoy that moment, but on the other hand I feel sorry for them for being backwards, unaware idiots. As Socrates said, "the unexamined life is not worth living."

[–]cashmoney_x-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, you're way too much of a mess to be quoting Socrates.

[–]fruitynoodles2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol you sound like a fun guy

[–]MisterDorimant points points [recovered] | Copy

Just wait until You realize there is no god.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I already realized that long ago.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good job keeping it short.

Since coming to terms with reality there is a cycle.

Smash on Tinder for a few months, then get bored and lose myself in work for a few months.

Then the cycle repeats.

[–]mesershmit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with you competely and i have to say thank and fuck you RP for both opening my eyes and harnessing a harsh truth into my brain.I,like you,dont see relationships like before.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I still believe that relationships can be beautiful and great for both genders even after seeing the truth, but it would require another truth that goes deeper than the redpill. Something like what the youngsters find important now, and what the elders realize that what they thought was important as youngsters is actually trivial and other things mattered more. If you know what I mean?

[–]S-Blaze0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have this theory about sex and LTRs. We keep greater power by having sex but not cumming all the time. This is how we stay ''aggressive'' and full of energy and drive instead of ''empty'' or mellow. Harnessing our sexual energy is how to stay at the top our game and attractive. And then once in awhile cum and bound softer. I bet this is good for a strong LTR

And so true that women look for values instead of feelings but that's alright to me a man has to provide security and ideally social value too and fun because we're the driver.

[–]plascra0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Everything.. everything in this world is mercantile in interaction..

[–]atlantique160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What are some of the many truths of TRP that made you turn away?

[–]Spaaceshiip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I want to read more into RP but I can't find a page with quality content. Not trying to boast but I do well with girls and I'd like to increase that. If anyone can help I would be greatly appreciative

[–]Protein_Devotee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Have you read The Rational Male Preventative Medicine? I highly recommend it if you are feeling this way.

[–]pn_me_your_dick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

love are chemical reaction in our brain so you wont be able to avoid it no matter how much you know cya

[–]ConsumingImpulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's like Nihilism. The realization that nothing ultimately means anything, while initially disturbing for sure, is ultimately comforting and empowering. It allows you to give your own meaning to your life. You just have to be careful not to fall into the pit of nothingness that happens when you let nihilistic feelings consume you, like myself pre-trp. You got the touch!

[–]Alpha_Jedi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That's a very fascinating post and very thought-provoking read. I had a similar thought a few weeks ago and did a full article about it:

To sum it us, it seems that everyone’s a prostitute, but there’s only 2 variables in the equation: 1) What is their preferred currency & 2) How much? With an RP set of eyes seeing the mechanisms behind this metaphor shows the world for what t is. The real questions is what do we do about it, and I think the tried and true answer of focus on maximizing yourself and learning to take joy in life(the good with the bad) is the best way to go. One danger of the Red Pill is it can cause reality depression, but it's essential to remember that life can be a very beautiful experience.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Reality depression can get very bad to the point where you realize that you're just a bunch of atoms clumped together in cells which somehow communicate and somehow, you are concious. Even wondering whether the choices you make are really your choice, or whether you are a spectator of 1 + 1 = 2 mechanisms that your brain decides for you by giving you feelings and you acting on these feelings. Do you control yourself 100%, or are you controlled by your past experiences, much like an AI? Ask some psychologists...

It's also one reason why having dreams is good, because it keeps us sane. I haven't dreamed in months and it's breaking me down. I need to see lots of magical bullshit in order to deal with the reality, because you get really tired of it.

The core is that we are emotional beings, we need the feels to feel alive, and if we see life by equations, you're rather a machine that doesn't enjoy life. What will matter when you are 80 years old, and what matters now? Be the guy that can still live a full life with the things in mind that matter, such as family, happiness, experiences, financial security and investment in experiences vs materialism. Life is a beautiful thing you pay with death.

[–]Alpha_Jedi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reality depression is a difficult yet critical step in going through a Red Pill transition. I've written a post detailing what that feels like here if you care to check it out:

The hard part about facing reality is that it's really up to you to figure out and what happens next and determine your fate. This can be isolating and difficult, but that's why it's important to find something greater than just ourselves.

[–]1i1ak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men are not made to seek love from people. We are made to love ideals, higher goals, achievement.

Turn your heart to great goals and you will be infinitely more fulfilled than the cuck that "loves" his CC rider wife.

[–]TheRealMewt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

When you stopped believing in Santa Claus, did you stop enjoying Christmas?

Just because you see women and relationships for what they are doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible to enjoy either of the two. You just look for those other ways to have fun with it all. Sure, I miss Santa but days off and free shit are nice too. Feel me?

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I feel you. When I found out that Santa Claus doesn't exist, I was stuck in between the fairytale and reality. Later, I learned to cherish the memories of the times when I believed in the old dude and started to look forward to christmas itself. I learned to find my own magic in the real christmas spirit, which made it nice too :). You could say that I am still in between the fairytail and reality when it comes to relationships. You can change knowledge easily, but feelings take time and are something you can't control.

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm with realmewt on this too.

When I swallowed the pill and saw the truth of relationships - I felt energized - not depressed. Its like when you figure out how to fix something in your car - it gives you confidence to try new things and to tinker even more with it.

The Red pill empowered my love life and helped me navigate the world of relationships better. My lovers are certainly benefiting from it

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's truly heartwarming to read to see that there is hope among many of us :).

[–]mattislike0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This reads like the direction I'm currently heading down myself.

Five years ago, I was convinced I'd live a happy life as a married man with two kids, working to support and take care of us all. Now? Both are the furthest things away from my mind. The ideation continues to creep up occasionally, but with everything I've learned within the last year and a half, it's something I laugh at as I continue to work on myself.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First you believe
Then you don't believe
Then you become...

Santa Claus.

Now switch "Chaddington" for "Santa Claus" and you'll be fine.

[–]Expectations10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am in this phase too, its like ive opened my eyes to what women are...but its like in the matrix quite literally.

Neo : I can't go back, can I? Morpheus : No, but if you could, would you really want to? Neo isn't sure, so decides not to say anything.

The only way to solve it is to take massive action, and enjoy it for what it all is, a fleeting moment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How old are you man? Quit being so melodramatic.

[–]mochimeido0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I definitely understand what you mean. Seeing the red pill, and realizing what men think of women has really killed any hope of pursuing a relationship. The idea of building a relationship with someone who believes me to be subhuman is pretty nightmarish, I would feel like a man trapped with a radical feminist. Voluntary celibacy is my only option, but I am not too bothered by it.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I just need to learn to appreciate for what christmas really is about. I learned to enjoy christmas as much as I did when I was a child believing in christmas. There was just some period of acceptance that it's okay, leave it behind me and move on with life.

Don't live in the past, live in the present to make a future :).

[–]mochimeido0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There is no future for me when any man I meet could be a red piller who thinks of me as a plate to be pumped and dumped or trapped in a relationship until he decides bored and wants something new.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why would you even want to stay with someone who is bored of you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is the epitome of the red pill.

Thanks for writing this up.

[–]mxethrowaway750 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What you're saying is true only if you're looking at it from a primal perspective. We're animals; the males want to plant their seed in one female and then onto the next, while woman desire the "top dog" of the pack.

But love transcends this. It's what makes relationships more than just "agreements". When both partners acknowledge and accept the primal tendencies within them and work to keep them at bay, that is the truest and most honest kind of love. Without that, you're just playing the game of animals. And that is what RP is, manipulating the rules of the game.

Love surpasses the bounds of our intellectual understanding. It's that subtle gleam in the eyes of your partner that you see when you close your eyes and think of them. It's sticking through every conflict until you both come to a mutual understanding. It's being on the same page at all times.

Your perspective is a gloomy one and will only isolate your further from others. If you're content with these "agreements", power to you. But you speak as if you wish there was something more to it. And there is. You will have to see for yourself. Your thoughts are not who you are, they serve only to keep the inner monologue going and keep you feeling separate, which is the root of every failed relationship.

Hope this helps stranger.

[–]LenguaNegra points points [recovered] | Copy

The worst part is that I see relationships where both parties involved are happy and it works without the guy being a typical RP bad boy with muscles, tattoos and a fashion style that has been clearly influenced by Reddit.

I know there are unicorns out there, but all of them seem to be taken.

[–]redpect1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know there are unicorns out there, but all of them seem to be taken

I doubt they had the appearance of a unicorn before they were taken -- they're simply well trained and maintained by their man.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You have to get their men alone and put a few beers into them before you will ever know how unicorn those unicorns actually are.

[–]fastnail-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I know there are unicorns out there, but all of them seem to be taken"

The best comment so far (-:

[–]anotherjunkie-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm really sorry man. It sounds like your life fucking sucks.

Real, actual, compassionate love is out there. A large number of people have found it; I've found it. But if you go into a relationship viewing it as transactional -- and I mean in any way -- you never will.

You have to want to give everything freely. Yeah, I got my heart fucking shattered once, but I grew up and moved on and found my person. I'd give her anything she asked for, and she does the same for me without a second thought.

You need to ditch your over-tensioned sex drive and consider spending some time with women when you're not trying to fuck them.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You need to ditch your over-tensioned sex drive and consider spending some time with women when you're not trying to fuck them.

I will take this advice. I'll just get myself a Fleshlight and see how things progress if I don't focus as much on my drive.

[–]legitimateusername41 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Real, actual, compassionate love is out there. A large number of people have found it; I've found it. But if you go into a relationship viewing it as transactional -- and I mean in any way -- you never will.


You have to want to give everything freely. Yeah, I got my heart fucking shattered once, but I grew up and moved on and found my person. I'd give her anything she asked for, and she does the same for me without a second thought.


You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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