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[–]omarshaikh130972 points973 points974 points 5 years ago (111 children) | Copy Link
They even removed the post saying it’s an inappropriate title
[–][deleted] 668 points669 points670 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Reddit is super cucked
[–]YeastBeast33451 points452 points453 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Reddit is full of sjws and white male haters. U welcome
[–]Mundane_Batrachian181 points182 points183 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reddit is somehow always worse than you think.
[–][deleted] 61 points62 points63 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't ever use the phrase white male. It's a leftist psyop. A while ago a very conservative Christian friend of mine asked me to listen to a favorite talk show of his. I did, and to make a long story short, I noticed the host of the show and her guest were both using the phrase "white male" a lot, however every single time they referred to a black person they said "black man". Every single time.
My friend didn't notice this at all until I brought it up to him. The other tens of thousands of people listening to the show probably didn't notice either.
[–]Zapiekanke19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. After watching Dr. E. Michael Jones I see the battle between good and evil again. Logos and anti-logos. Christ and Antichrist.
I am not a white male. I am an American, and a Catholic.
Christ doesn't give two-shits about ethnicity. I know someone who does, tho.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course. "Black Man" is empowering and has a positive connotation. "White Male" has a negative connotation and they use it because the "White Male" has all of the privilege (bullshit) and they need to be put down to everyone. It's stupid bullshit.
[–]mrlebowsk3327 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, but isn't this subreddit like the 3rd biggest one?
[–]Fatguy23912 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, not even close
[–]mrlebowsk338 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is up there bro, we all hate batches of the present day :)
[–]UltimateCurryCel2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Despite the website being mostly men.
[–]thatbrownnerddied0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't even realize this until recently. I've been using reddit for a year. But I didn't start checking r/all until recently
[–]Deathstrike30000 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't let them catch you making comments like that.
Who cares about Reddit though ? those men who share the same opinion as yours are all here
[–]redditI_D_0101010101 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
people should pay you just to say that
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's no R anymore bruh. Its just Eddit.
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[–]supermario218165 points166 points167 points 5 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link
That is usually how it is. I work in a dev office and none of the women code. They do more secretarial things.
[–]teslaistheshit135 points136 points137 points 5 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Corporate America in general. Every "team" I'm on there's 3 - 4 guys doing all the work with 3 - 4 women asking when it's going to be done. I'm getting out as soon as I can.
[–]SingleManDR62 points63 points64 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women and their fucking timelines. I provide copywriting for companies. Their briefs are shit, but I know what they want and so can do it from muscle memory. They pay too much for the service I provide so I suck it up. But whenever a woman is involved, even if there is a deadline in place, they want to talk timelines. Well if you'd just fuck off and let me do it, the timeline will be better... That's what I want to say...
[–]teslaistheshit25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hits home. The current project I'm on is missing it's deadline because of a vendor not our internal team. Guess who gets the blame? Fuck them all.
[–]SingleManDR2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The sad part is that each and every one of those women think that 'work would fall apart without them'.
[–]Highly_Literal48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Buddy I don’t know where you live or what you make, but I’m pulling in 75-110k a year (depends on your overtime) and I haven’t seen a woman at work in 3 years dm if your not apposed to getting your hands dirty on a tradeskill job
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What’s your line of work man? I’m desperate to get out of my print job in the UK that pays around £17,000 per year. I’m planning on retraining as a coder or something.
[–]Highly_Literal12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Oh the UK. Im not sure it will be as nice then since the railroad(my job) has contracts with the government going back to the early 1800’s that insure us excellent pay and certain benefits
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sounds like a good job that bro! What I’d do to get a job with just half that money. This year I’m gonna make big changes though. I’ve got a good feeling something will come good for me. Ever since I came across the manosphere I’ve changed my focus completely from women and have been focusing instead in self improvement. I wish I’d come across this mentality years ago as I’m 42 now but better late than never as they say!
[–]Highly_Literal7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right on mans never to late to make “it” happen
[–]RotorFC2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
US conductor on a class 1, too. Two female yardmasters that are pains in the ass, but aren't all yardmasters?
[–]Highly_Literal0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha they are we have one really good one been here decades damn good at what he does
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Garbageman here. They've been pushing women on us lately so I kinda regret not becoming a boilermaker (99% male field).
[–]BeauDeuce10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here
[–]Lightsouttokyo6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Hahaha What country do you live in??? Where I’m at women enter the trade and are running work so that way they don’t have to get that dirty and also because they can’t do nearly as much/lift nearly as much so they’re put into secretarial positions that lead them to Foreman or office positions with foreman-GF pay
[–]Highly_Literal5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
We have one woman and she’s HR I saw her once a when I was hired
[–]Lightsouttokyo2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What trade though?
[–]Highly_Literal4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Railroad my dude
[–]Lightsouttokyo1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That genuinely makes a lot of sense
I run a finance department and have many women working for me. They constantly need the next day off last minute, constantly need to leave early, and I even had one that said that she is too busy to handle some extra steps that would make her work more organized and accurate but then a month later asked if she could move to four days a week because she could handle her work load in four days.
At. My. Wits. End.
[–]massy52529 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
That is women in the corp world. "Project Managers"
They get to maintain their childlike status in the world while being paid. This pretty much describes my entire corporate life.
PM(female): "Is it done yet"
Worker(Male): "No, same as when you asked this morning and I told you it would be done late tomorrow"
PM(female): "When will it be done?"
Worker(male): "I'm working on it now and every minute we spend talking about it is one minute longer. It will still take until tomorrow"
PM(female): "WE need you to get it done faster and I don't appreciate your attitude"
PM(female):Goes to exec mgmt. Worker is dragging his feet we should look for a replacement.
Sound familiar? Just like a child asking "ARE WE THERE YET?"
[–]Zubrowkatonic14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Personal anecdote: I was effectively project managing for years in the legal field, though with all the credentials of a practicing attorney. It was a grunt role with responsibilities above that and my credentials exceeded that further still. Graduating into the Great Recession from a new law school, this is what I could get. Millennial life story, am I right? Anyway, I was happy enough to grind out long hours, build my skills as much as I could in the role, and then seek a path of advancement to more challenges and more income. During this time, my teams finished ahead of schedule and surpassed our performance targets on every single project we undertook, including when deadlines were arbitrarily escalated by a partner who just had to have things done before he went on his beach vacation. As I understand it, this is not a common track record in project management in any field. Good morale was key, as was the talent on my teams, but I like to think I was doing some things right as well, and that the track record would warrant at least an interview for a more formal PM oriented role.
While I kept this up for years with credentials all in order and applying to openings without getting an in-person interview, I of course periodically asked recruiters and others in the field what more I needed to get the nod. The collective, NPC-like response was, "Keep doing what you're doing." Real useful. /s
I didn't want to think it was 100% affirmative action blocking my path, because that thought just leaves such a disgusting taste in the mouth. It could also just be plain bad luck, and more networking could finally open the right door. Regardless, the proportion of women in these roles raises an eyebrow, anecdotally speaking from my observations. Another colleague of mine is in the same boat I was, having been snubbed from promotion even longer, so I know it is hardly unique to me.
Project Management needn't be a useless joke; there's a lot of value to be added with talented administration and good relationship building. It is multidisciplinary and that understandably creates some challenges for HR in evaluating candidates and filling the role. Unfortunately, it really does seem the priorities in filling those roles are more demographically oriented than anything else.
Don't feel bad for me or anything though. I was saving and investing successfully the whole time I was grinding out the long hours. Econ background has proved indispensable in life. I have since transitioned into more traditional legal practice running my own small law firm dedicated to small business entrepreneurs. This is motivated by vocation above all, and as a result is far more energizing and satisfying. The lack of bureaucracy in my way is just icing on the cake.
To the other guys out there struggling like I did, keep your head up. Don't let your self worth be diminished by the bad decisions of those above and around you. Maintain belief in yourself above all, and commit to a strategy to expand your options around whatever barriers you face.
P.S. Sorry this post ran so long. I had more to say than I realized when I started it. All the best, guys.
[–]teslaistheshit13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. I have a "Director", "Project Manager", and "Development Manager" (all female) asking why the estimate I gave isn't being met. Mind you this is a vendor product that I have zero control over if anything goes wrong and of course it has. Add to that we keep getting last minute requirements without any prioritization. I shutter to think what they are all getting paid.
[–]massy5254 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
shutter to think what they are all getting paid.
at least some of it goes back in income tax. I guess that is some solace.
[–]teabagabeartrap0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They have to be paid like this... this is the new "hamster spin wheel" of economy. They spend 80% income... so it empowers the kapitalistic system. we NEED to do this, to keep everything going.
[–]gancska0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, sounds familiar.
At one of my earlier projects my male manager was always on my neck like annoying dog who wants attention. At one point I was almost yelling at him to leave me the fuck be and let me work or we won't meet the surreal retarded deadline the made up.
[–]massy5250 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you just ducked into MGTOW to gaslight on this subject?
So what? I've had to deal with lots of project managers in my life. I can tell you I've had shit male and female ones. However I can also tell you I've yet to meet a female PM that is even close to some of the better male ones. I've also yet to meet a male one that was as bad as the average female PM. Sure its anecdote but I don't live in a scientific study I live in real life.
That's exactly how it was where I was...
Goddamn.
Some dumb lil cunt asking me when something will be done, and why it's taking as long as it is.
Meanwhile, she has no idea how it's actually done or what is involved.
[–]modern_rabbit11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Designing the logo, ordering a surprise cake for Jared's bday, volunteering to hand out mail, ALWAYS offering like 9 opinions on policy but never on actual fucking work. Yup, been there.
[–]TeddyJTran3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's definitely not usually how it goes lol
[–]teabagabeartrap52 points53 points54 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Upvoted.
She was the manager of the team. She managed coders to successfully fullfill their job. Who ever wrote the code. The manager gets the fame... I think gender don't have any effect here.
I was once managing a 6 people team of devs... the stuff you need to keep up with... "my dog died", "yes I can finish in 5 day... I tell the customer 10... 15 days later the dev still doesn't have clue, because he was constantly developing his own hot hot dog rating excel sheet" etc...
So gratz for having success with something that no one did before... and now, please mention your team members with names (!) and say "without them I wouldn't reach this point".
[–]Logiman4311 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She was the manager of the team.
? and shes like 23? A manager should have some more exp., no?
[–]loloLogic27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Unless she was hired because "muh girls in STEM" but couldn't actually do the work so they promoted her to management to get her out of the way of the working team. Same thing happens in LE.
[–]specklemouse5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seen that more than once in my 40 years as an electrical engineer. People who can't hack the tech are either encouraged to leave or promoted to the management track. It's bog stupid and pretty standard.
[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i think shes 29
[–]t9380 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s 29. But plenty of kids out of college become PMs in software projects, age has nothing to do with it in the software world. It’s just that this sub gets an aneurysm even thinking about a woman in a management position.
[–]appolo117 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty sure the group even walked back that she was the "group manager" as well.
[–]enfier2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The whole project is on github. She made 90 commits and modified code.
Your post is just inaccurate. She certainly wasn't the top contributor, but it's not like she was the manager.
[–]teabagabeartrap1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
jeah, I saw the lines... 850k lines one engineer, she only 2000 lines... but look it up. She is project manager for that project. A lot of news state it wrongly, that she did it and blabla. But the team structure is her on top. Engineers below.
I imagine they do something fancy agile buzzword buzzword and she was there for ressource allocation and stuff.... but still. She is the project manager.
[–]russianeater271 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, that article was fake. Andrew himself came out and said it was all bullshit created by a troll trying to make her look bad.
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[–]enfier0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm telling you she wrote code, that's a verifiable fact.
How you want to interpret that is up to you. Lots of places use a dev tasked to be the project manager which basically just means they organize and track the to-do list.
[–]HighlandHilltopper3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
BuT GeNdEr InEqUaLiTy?!
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[–]Vitalic123-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude, you sound NUTS! Have fun in life, rofl.
[–]Vitalic123-2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not stalking. Just wondering why you'd delete those posts full of actual cancerous opinions though! Don't you stand by what you say?
America is ridiculous. You simply can't use common sense when it comes to america.
[–]beatles-lover1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a woman (especially an attractive woman) is credited for any kind of scientific or technological achievement, the chances are at least 90% that she's stealing the credit from a man.
[–]julianleung1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Findings: they have 10% quota for the retarded.
[–]StormyTroopers0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What info is false?
She is not taking credit for it. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213326021042929&set=a.10211451091290857&type=3&theater
[–]massy52579 points80 points81 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm actually for once not completely disgusted with reddit on this one. Looks like a large amount of the commenters even outside of MGTOW are asking why she is being featured so strongly in this and that they are marginalizing the rest of the team.
Once commenter said a lot of it has to do with her being at MIT and that they have a strong media affiliation so they are likely the main cause. Random internet'er so grain of salt and all.
[–]NoThirst35 points36 points37 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
...management taking credit for team work is nothing new...what is new is her childish, giggling photo celebrating it.
[–]MarcBago24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s her way of saying she’s single.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She is probably too socially stupid and dense to see why she was chosen to lead the team (because she is an attractive woman) and that it comes down to a PR move. Why wouldn't the leader and all of the top contributes be all over the internet?
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To each their own. I think she is kinda cute.
[–]NoThirst0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...this is simply science in the selfie generation.
[–]wildfireboat14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get ready for the [Removed] wave.
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[–]omarshaikh130130 points131 points132 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
because it shows sexism against men and the blatant hypocrisy of females
[–]beatles-lover0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny because the conventional wisdom is that men are constantly stealing the credit for female innovation. The reality is 180 degrees opposite.
[–]hilariouslydeluded1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The actual answer is that it was misleading to the point where it was essentially false. Or it could be because wOmEn aRe tHe wOrSt. You know which narrative the critical thinkers in here are gonna roll with ;)
[–]appolo1132 points33 points34 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Just like they all want us to believe that somehow 3 black women in a basement doing calc is the ONLY reason we are in space right now. And the rest of NASA were just bumbling white male hicks. Thank you Hidden Figures.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Yep. That's a movie I will never watch. The concept is just ridiculous, but I'm sure its being passed off as the "TRUE" story behind the launch.
[–]appolo113 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It 100% is. And all the white males who actually built the entire program are passed off as racist males who wouldn't have even launched a single rocket without the help of the poor betrodden black females regulated to a basement.
Thank god we have the gay skinny necked canadian from the big bang theory to come save the day. Jesus H. Christ.
[–]t938-2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It is literally documented history, get over yourself. You’re talking like a flat earther or a moon landing denier.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I'm sure the script for an SJW themed movie is completely faithful and accurate, what with historical accuracy being of such importance in those circles. I'd suggest you pull your head out of your arse and do your moaning somewhere else.
[–]gancska-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/forgotten-black-women-mathematicians-who-helped-win-wars-and-send-astronauts-space-180960393/
You can just call it alternate facts, fake news or whatever you like.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'd call it a fluff piece, I suppose, given the "WOMEN WHO SHAPED HISTORY" header doesn't offer much hope of honest reporting. Reading the article, seems the ladies were delegated some boring / tedious maths to do so the technical staff were free to look at more complex problems. What of it?
What of it? You implied the movie is full of bullshit and just an overly biased SJW shit. Looks like it is not.
Haven't seen it, certainly looks like SJW biased shit. I'm not going to watch it to find out. Are these women shown as the saviours of the mission and the movie or are they doing some repetitive mathematical equations that plenty of others can do but happens to be done by them (because that's what the article you shared said they did)? I doubt its the latter because that doesn't make for much of a movie plot.
[–]switchondem0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
It was actually that mathematics was seen as women's work for much of scientific history. Several significant astronomical discoveries are credited (officially or unofficially) to women because of this. We still use the math that was pioneered by women in the software we use today.
There were also instances where women were employed to do calculations and analysis because they were cheaper than men. See Henrietta Leavitt and her work with Cepheid Variable Stars that led to the research Edwin Hubble is famous for (we call it Leavitts law today). She did it in a time when women weren't allowed to use the telescopes she was analysing the data from.
Now, I haven't seen that film and I don't doubt for a second that it's try hard, cringey and biased. However I don't like how dismissive you are of real accomplishments just because they were made by women.
Astronomy is my jam and it's filled with great examples of collaboration between men and women. You can go your own way without diminishing the accomplishments of others.
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I'm being dismissive of the movie and the idea floated that NASA wouldn't have been able to get their rockets into space without the three ladies in the basement, who by the link shared with me were doing the repetitive, onerous math so that the engineers didn't have to. If the movie plot was brought forward 20 years in time, the "star" of the movie would be a desktop PC.
As for women pioneering mathematics in astronomy and whatnot, I haven't read on it and I don't particularly care to, much like I haven't read up on what men have been doing in mathematics. I'm not being dismissive as you put it of these achievements because I'm simply not aware of them, and even if I were interested in reading up on them, I'm not sure if what I'm reading would be the actual story or the "edited for [CURRENT YEAR] consumption" version where anything and everything that was done by a demographic other than white male is blown out of proportion and celebrated.
You can also go your own way without attempting to browbeat others into line.
[–]switchondem0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's still dismissive in my book. The 'boring, onerous math' is equally as vital to the success of the mission as the engineering. You could make the argument it's more easily replaceable, but not any less significant. Also, that desktop pc would be using code based on the math women like those ones were doing.
At the end of the day, everyone one the team could have been replaced and NASA would have launched their rockets eventually. That isn't what happened though, and the people on that team all played crucial roles.
As for the other stuff, I agree with you. Journalism, or what passes for it these days, is a shit show. That sort of story is what's 'hot' right now and I don't see it getting better.
I just think that people on both sides are feeding each other by being closed minded and turning everything into a one up contest, nothing gets better like that.
[–]MyNameIsBigJosie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because it was misleading, if you want the men to have pride, don’t you want him to be properly applauded?
[–]realChebz0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but I imagine not hers
To be technically correct they do this with Steve jobs and Elon musk too they just lead it but didn't actually do the hard work
[–]devok1397 points398 points399 points 5 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
The dude does close to 90% of the work and a thot did less that 1% and get all the fucking credit. I would be so fucking pissed.
Clown world...
[–]RavenLordx199 points200 points201 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
And yesterday I saw a post on r/feminism saying they saw no post about that chick. I have seen more pictures of her than the actual black hole.
[–]factsd0ntlie26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lmfao
[–]realChebz13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she's the real black hole. Trying marrying and see your car house money disappear...
[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ohw the hell could you not see a post about here.
I literally had to dig around comment sections to find photos of the black hole they where talking about. Because all post photos where about the woman.
[–]SafeSir54 points55 points56 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
She’s been working on it for 12 years, he was her coder
[–]FritzLn146 points147 points148 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Reverse the genders and it's "see women are always in the background doing the real work never getting the credit!!!!!"
Vagina runs the world
[–]SafeSir25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that’s their fault, just because they’re dumbasses like that doesn’t mean we need to act like them
[–]T4mvv1lc0xx11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Vaginas run the world because there will always be simps willing to be white knights
[–]Lawuhiku0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, if it was other way around she would still be praised and the manager would then be called out for being a loser who doesn't even say thanks.
[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
12 years ago, she was 17. Maybe she's been coding for 12 years, when she first got a little project at her dad's university, but she has not been working on this for 12 years.
Furthermore, she didn't write the algorithm. Her entire team, including her, was focused on implementing an already-written algorithm.
I'm not saying her contribution wasn't valuable, she apparently headed the team, but you shouldn't imply she was some kind of algorithmic mastermind while he was just a coder.
[–]mr_feline0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bitch version of Steve Jobs?
[–]JJ6680 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She wrote the preexisting algorithm. And he himself said that the vast majority of the 850,000 was written by a program.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So wtf was she doing?
[–]loloLogic3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How old is she?
[–]UltraCarnivore15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's entering the wall's horizon event.
[–]PaleRider930 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's 29 now so she's been working on it since she was 17?
[–]UltimateCurryCel0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sarcasm?
[–]ajaski70833 points34 points35 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sadly this is similar to how it works in the real world. You do all the work and your boss gets all the credit. SMH
[–]teslaistheshit12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Preview for Corporate America in 2019. I'm telling my sons to stay away from the Corporate World.
[–]pete904ni4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honk
[–]massy5252 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I said this somewhere else but the sad reality is that it probably benefits him more to just shut up and be associated with the media attention. Otherwise he is just another faceless guy changing the world like men do every day.
[–]thottttttttttttt2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In every tech company I’ve worked in, about 10-20% of the workforce are useless diversity hires based on gender, race, age or both.
I’m talking people who would spend all day doing basic tutorials while being assigned to a project and not doing anything.
She actually did less than 0.3% of the total work.
Sometimes she would just add "enter" to create a line and counted that as one entire contribution.
[–]Venom19910 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A quote from his Twitter:
"Stick around -- I hope to start tweeting more about black holes and other subjects I am passionate about -- including space, being a gay astronomer, Ursula K. Le Guin, architecture, and musicals. Thanks for following me, and let me know if you have any questions about the EHT!"
Link: https://mobile.twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518544961830918
[–]gancska0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whoa whoa. Slow down or you will die of conspiracy heartattack. Andrew Chael ( white dude on the pic) : "(Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)"
Best summary:
[–]SargDuck0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why call her a thot tho?
[–]devok10 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she breath
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr378 points379 points380 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Remind me when they did a cartoony picture of the all white males who were responsible for sending the Mars probe. Suddenly half were women and black. Poof, magic, too white, too problematic, too male.
[–][deleted] 61 points62 points63 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
can you find a link (i tried to but was unsuccessful) sounds hilarious
[–]Jaymoon138 points139 points140 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
https://i.imgur.com/FNtbpcW.jpg
It was comparing the Juno space probe team and the Google Doodle they used to congratulate them.
[–]jordanisdead93 points94 points95 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this is hilarious because you know how chaotic everyone would react if google made the characters true to reality
[–]MGTOW_monk_mastery40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
jesus fucking christ LOL
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This picture is really indicative of the times. How can they be so far detached from reality?
I know its just a google doodle but it really shows the cognitive dissonance well.
[–]mycatsareincharge0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Second from left to right is literally a woman, lol
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
go to google images, type in "white woman white man" without the speechmarks, Try it and report back!
[–]spiderlord43 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is stupid, it is just how the algorithm works. You write a colour and that is why google shows you pics related to that word as it is used in the website hosting the pic. This is usually done in interracial couples since there is no point in writing the colour of the persons skin if there are two white people. Type "woman man" without the quotation marks ie and google pics will mostly show you white couples.
[–]mostspitefulguy2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy fuck that’s actually terrifying
[–]roadblumeta370 points371 points372 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Screw that guy and his toxic coding habits
[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat104 points105 points106 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Toxic nerdulinity
[–]wildfireboat41 points42 points43 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Feminists: "Fuck all these male nerds making $85K out of college."
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[–]wildfireboat9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
A MGHOW could survive off of $45K/year (+ decent healthcare) if he goes for the simple life.
LMAOOOO I think feminists are just pissed Men can survive in any circumstance, while women think they deserve the status they were born into.
Boom, I just cracked the code......
[–]MGTOW_monk_mastery6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
close, but women think they deserve a status ABOVE what they were born into. They're entitled to what they're born with, but what they really deserve is to be treated like royalty.
[–]wildfireboat4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh true, I didn't take into account that women always want more than what they're given. This is the female version of "boys will be boys".
He's a fascist; he actually learned to code
[–]E_Creator0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate them because they breath. I hate them because their scum. The goddamn Jews are the scum of the earth.
[–]HelmutHoffman0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They say learn to code then get pissed when we learn to code
[–]bfte2189 points190 points191 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's actually a great example just how many thirsty simps are online.
[–]TheGuyWhoLovesInk25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Who are simps?
[–]GrizzlyLeather69 points70 points71 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Pathetic men who excessively abandon their pride and common sense for women. These are your white knights, your people who religiously pay cam sluts, your "male feminists" etc...
[–]TheGuyWhoLovesInk22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is it because they are horny and can't get any girls, therefore they do that?
[–]GrizzlyLeather25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah the illusion of sex is a big part. Self hate is another.
[–]TheGuyWhoLovesInk9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow! What a crazy world we live in! SAD
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[–]GrizzlyLeather1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post is 3 months old
My comment is an accurate description answering the question of what a simp is, nothing more.
My comment is nowhere near the top of the comments and buried under many other comments
That means you dug through the sub for months worth of posts, scoured the comments, and misunderstood a comment with nothing more than definitional examples of a term.
And you think I'm delusional and pathetic? HA!
[–]xxsolojxx1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha, not that kind of simp
[–]TransientObsever1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
-Developing algorithms and writing code is the same thing. :^)
t. Professional Redditor~~
[–]SpecJoeMagic129 points130 points131 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Figures. I saw that picture of the female in a different context earlier and I thought something felt off about it but had no other info at the time. Now the truth comes out and it’s no surprise.
Besides, even without all of the information and only going by the photos, which one of those two appears more likely to have accomplished this feat, the giggly girl or the nerdy guy? Many times you can judge a book by it’s cover and there is a reason stereotypes exist.
[–]Oneironaut9129 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the first time i saw a pic of the whole team i knew exactly what would happen, that the few females on the team probably didnt do any of the work but will get all the credit on reddit and in the news.
[–]frikabg19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No! Fuck that! This is not the part that pisses me the most! The part that is really infuriating for people like me is how there is a huge wave of topics of how awesome this woman is etc. and then there i find this one topic where the actual guy who did the most coding was pointed out as doing a lot of work on the project and the top fucking comment with silver and gold is some guy who is literally putting him down saying how 'although he wrote the huge majority of the code it was not really coding that was counted and he shouldn't really be praised!' then he goes on later on to reply how 'I was wrong he actually did the huge majority of the coding but not 90% of it it was less!' these people with their fucking agendas who shit non stop on men and are self hating are disgusting! I dislike women a lot exactly because of this type of bulshit but i am more than ok with the idea of the news breaking out the WHOLE TEAM having a picture and saying 'Do you see these men and women???! THEY did something great today!' but no fuck that instead we get a single picture of one of the chicks and some agenda being pushed down our throats of how awesome this THOT is and how you see she was working on this project for the last 12 years making it sound like she did it on her own. Well i am sorry but i really can't be happy for miss thot over here and it drains any pride that i might have in humanity achieving this because it only demonstrates how we didn't go forward at all and are stuck in our RETARDED way of thinking and how flawed our view of 'reality' is.
[–]MicroelectronicElk25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I can pretty safely assume he did any of the actual thinking in this project
[–]ogrelin17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To be fair, it’s probably the SJW public giving her all the credit. Not saying this type of shit doesn’t happen in the real world, but I’ve had 90% female managers through my ~25 year career as a software engineer and I’ve been fortunate that they have, for the most part, given credit where it’s due. The team, not themselves. The ones that did attempt to take the credit did not last long as an effect of claiming credit for work that is highly technical, and you mostly might not understand, is that you’ll be asked questions you can’t answer or make a fool of yourself for trying to fake it.
[–]frikabg8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
just search on readit Katie Bouman to see how many people posted this shit with the same article name etc to make it look how a woman did this on her own. The brain washing machine is working just fine and it doesn't stop for a sec.
[–]GrizzlyLeather2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same. I saw a bunch of posts yesterday claiming she was the only person behind it all and I called bullshit too and downvoted.
[–]notyetcosmonaut119 points120 points121 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
And there we go. I figured I’d see what really was going on pop up on this sub soon enough. They are so obsessed with pushing a narrative constantly. Is it so hard just to celebrate the accomplishment and everyone that was directly a part of making it happen?
[–]80173529 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"He's fucking a whyat man!"
[–]SmoothEverytime30 points31 points32 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's like this
'look! Look! See! WOMEN! Doing science! See! They're competent also, whatcha think about that?'
And you're like, well I know that women can be competent, I know they already work for NASA and other scientific government organisations.
The irony is the more you try to push the narrative that women are competent it makes it look like you're saying they're usually incompetent in general, thus its unusual to see a woman in this position. I can't understand why alot of people fail to see this. Or why I'm an asshole for pointing this obvious statement out
[–]specklemouse2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not how articulate the dog is that matters. The fact that it speaks at all is remarkable.
[–]Lawuhiku1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The post on the right got almost no attention compared to the left and even was removed.
Not sure what is here to celebrate.
[–]notyetcosmonaut2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nothing. I’m just saying it’s garbage to rob or hide the achievements of everyone else that worked on the project so they can be petty and push a narrative.
[–]DeplorableToast112 points113 points114 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Honk Honk ..
[–]StonedSamsonite38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is probably gonna be the meme signaling that the clown world is upon us
[–]Zeliow26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been told a long while back that the world is opposite of what the news tells us, becouse if it was common, it wouldnt be news. Clown world my fren.
[–]UltimateCurryCel6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take the honkpill
[–]JustTheBetterSelf93 points94 points95 points 5 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
Wait, is this real? Did the man do all the work again and women get all the credit?
[–]BonelessSkinless57 points58 points59 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. As usual par for the course nowadays
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, dude basically did all of the work. Just imagine if he got all the spotlight, feminists would probably accuse him of sexism like they did to that dude who landed a probe on a comet.
[–]basile-le-barge0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, that story with his "sexist shirt". Lately i thought "it was the beginning of all this shit".
[–]UltimateCurryCel1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a marketing thing. Sometimes computer science teams will purposely give all credit to their female graphics designer so they win the competitions.
[–]InjuringAxial0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well in terms of a programming team the director of the team will draw out the overall concepts of the algorithm (the math, the strategy, even the language they use) and the lower employees will actually start typing the code itself. So using this as a example of bias is kinda misleading
[–]TheGoogolplex1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/13/18308652/katie-bouman-black-hole-science-internet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/12/trolls-hijacked-scientists-image-attack-katie-bouman-they-picked-wrong-astrophysicist/?utm_term=.194f50164d79
https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors
achael 566 commits 850,275 ++ 131,044 --
klbouman 90 commits 2,410 ++ 1,265 --
The numbers speak for themselves.
If you pay attention, she added some trivial crap like "can change font size interactively" or "now renders numbers in scientific notation" fucking rofl, highschoolers can do that, the amount of commits that actually contributed to the project as a whole are even less than 90.
[–]TomasC1370 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, he uploaded most of the models, each about 10.000 lines long. A model requires no coding, it's just the data a machine learning program spits back
[–]CampTouchThis0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The numbers are correct, but he himself said in a tweet that she was instrumental to the project and deserves the praise she is getting
[+]nastyneeick-6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
It's real, but misleading. The algorithm is what is important here, the code is just the implementation of it. Anyone who is sufficient in coding language would be able to write it. The amount of lines written isnt really that relevant.
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[–]nastyneeick-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not saying it isnt complex. I'm just saying its not really the pertinent thing to focus on. It would sort of be like giving a bricklayer credit for an entire house and its design, just because he laid the most bricks. The number of lines of code written doesnt determine who deserves credit. That's all I'm trying to say.
[+]nastyneeick-8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
"Measuring progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building by weight."
You have NOTHING to go on to say they are equal in terms of complexity. You dont know the code he wrote, or exactly what she contributed or really anything, you all are just taking a not very salient fact about code lines and freaking out about it.
[–]iPokee12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I would say the interpretation of the code is just as complex as the creation of the algorithm if it takes over a hundred thousand lines of code to perform the intended algorithm that was created.
You claim that any coder that is sufficient at their craft can interpret this into code, but behind this success are thousands of failed builds, potential rewrites of the code, or code that just turned out to be useless in the intended functionality of the code. No team can just make a build miraculously in one attempt. This team went through trial and error in order to produce the black hole photo. Don't downplay the difficulty of how easy it is to code, most people, including myself, don't even have the mental fortitude to restart from scratch if they were 50,000 lines in and realized that none of their code would work as they thought it would.
Even if he contributed most of the code, I'm very sure that the group consulted each other and suggested how to progress the code and test builds before one person finally commits the code. It's not like the other team members weren't around to commit code. People are saying how it was one person who contributed 850,000 lines when I believe that the team came as a group to develop code and leave a person responsible to push updates.
You said it much better than I did.
My point is, this is sort of clickbaity, misleading picture, the amount of code written doesnt necessarily mean that this guy deserves the lions share of the credit.
It's like if you have an architect that designs a home, and someone says "The architect is getting all the credit when he didnt lay a single brick, and this guy over here laid 800,000 bricks!"
Im not saying that the girl deserves all the credit or that she did any more work than anyone else..just that the amount of code written (amount of bricks laid) doesn't necessarily indicate who deserves the most credit.
[–]Holdoooo-5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't want to be rude but you're acting like you know what you're talking about while you don't have much of a clue. Just the fact that you think an algorithm can have hundreds of thousands of lines is alarming. I understand that this is not a programming subreddit but holy Jesus.
[–]iPokee3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was simply trying to express how just being able to interpret code doesn't mean that you can write the code. I think you may have missed the point that I only tried to relay an idea of how the work done by coders is not just a one and done process. It is very much trial and error and the original interpretation of the algorithm may change as you progress.
Do I think that there are algorithms that are 100,000 lines long? Potentially, I've never delved deep onto the topic.
Do I think that behind the finalized length of the algorithm could be potentially longer than the algorithm itself? Definitely. There's definitely more to the story of development than just having the finalized product, which is what I was trying to convey in the message above.
[–]aosdifjalksjf-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Really interesting as Chael himself disagrees with you.
Also what exactly is it that you develop? It seems you say you're a developer a lot on here but you don't seem to reference any projects you're working on. Here's the tweet that disputes your claims
[–]pr2st0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
But he doesn't disagree with me on a single point at all? My claims were:
How in your mind would it be even possible for him to dispute that? Do you have difficulties with reading?
I'm a software engineer, it's a normal job and I don't work on public projects at all. I'm employed by a private company like most of us are. Are you dense?
Also if you'd know shit you would've noticed I mostly comment on webstack stuff while you crept through my history. Instead you don't even know the job description. Pathetic.
[–]aosdifjalksjf0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most the code was generated so that the HPC could run the algorithm that imaged the black hole. Also using the quantity of lines of code as being a metric of complexity is pretty outdated. Especially as most QA and testing is automated now with machine learning and multithreaded HPC computing. It's pretty much lines and lines of a custom compiler so that human programmers can set test conditions, fail statements and the like using OOP.
What are you defining as effort? How is that effort being downplayed?
On a side note though, webstack? Like full stack web development? What's that got to do with a huge HPC project like this? I don't think this is something you can whip up with a package manager, a minimal terminal, a bit of css and a few python calls to a django database.
I mean if you'd look at that twitter thread and the responses to it you'd see why I responded to you.
[–]Sir_manalot10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I am 100% certain you have zero understanding of coding.
Do you think implementation is just writing a bunch of if statements and looking up bug fixes on code academy?
Anything that takes over 10,000 lines of code will be increadibly difficult and complex to make...and this one is over 800,000 lines.
Optimizing it alone would be a massive pain in the ass.
Also, she led the team that developed the algorithm. Aka she didn't even do that on her own (and judging by the fact that she only wrote 2,000 lines of code, I am assuming that she probably did very minimal to help here too).
[–]zkube0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guarantee you he's done one CodeAcademy on HTML/CSS/JS and now thinks he's hot shit.
[–]difficult_vaginas-2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This is not code.
The data he added the project (which he certainly did not create on his own) is why he has the insane line count.
[–]Sir_manalot2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Okay, even then he still wrote the most code of any member and made the most edits.
Or to steal what was said in another thread on the subject out of laziness
Something I didn't put in my initial post is that from a glance through it does seem like he is the primary dev. He seems to have done the most actual code (Just not 95%, a more reasonable amount than that. This is a team effort, not a one man project). But even then, from what I've read it sounds like Katie's job is development manager (DM). If she is a dm like I think, then she would be doing her job incorrectly if she had committed the most code. The job of a dm is to design the system, then pass on her plans for the developers to implement
She was the lead of a team that helped design the system (not sole designer).
She is part of a large team and trying to steal all of the spotlight.
[–]nastyneeick-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just because he wrote it doesn't mean he alone is responsible for it. I'm sure they worked on the code as team. You're missing my point.
[–]Sir_manalot-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It would sort of be like giving a bricklayer credit for an entire house and its design
This is a bad analogy for the situation...a very, very bad one.
He would be the equivalent of a master electrician in this situation (he is the primary contributer, not just some random coder in the group).
And he definitely deserves credit.
[–]difficult_vaginas-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Completely false based on the statements of her and her team, which have consistently emphasized that their work was the result of many teams working together. The media has seized on her, she is not responsible for that and is trying to discourage that narrative.
[–]Sir_manalot2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alright, I am fine with that (if she is fighting the narrative and not just keeping quiet to take advantage of the situation).
Doesn't make the situation any less shitty for everyone involved. Especially female programmers, whom already have a negative stigma because of a bunch of bad eggs and stuff like this.
[–]yooshio79 points80 points81 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She developed the algorithm
LOL.
Translated into english...she committed the pull requests from Github
[–]r1chten18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I laughed harder than I should have
[–]nigelh50 points51 points52 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you don't have somebody to make the coffee that coding ain't going to get done in time.
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[–]No_Weekend10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They did her no favors by trying to prop her up. Most people won't care about what she did, they'll just notice the media forgot about the other 199 team members.
[–]ThankgodImAthiest6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea this comment needs to get to the top. I agree with this sub on some things but this is a misstep
[–]frikabg1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
except that it is not...
[–]frikabg6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
you might want to revisit your comment just like the person who you quited did! If you can spare a min or two he already admitted that he was wrong and it turned out that the person who he said probably didn't do the most coding actually did sooo.... there is that!
Also it is not about who did how much work it has more to do with the fact that a single woman gets praised for the achievement of a whole group of scientists. I have no idea how you would feel if you work hard on a project for 10 years or so succeed at the end just to read in the newspapers how Miss perfect over there did the it on her own having no mention of the role you played. That type of behaviour disregards all the hard work that all the other people put in and if you were a decent human being you would find it disgusting instead of defending 'my ladies' honour!
[–]chakan2-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You realize you're basically describing every major company or achievement in the last 30 years. While there are fantastically talented engineers at Amazon that do all the work, people only care about Bezos. There is no Microsoft, only Bill Gates. Apple is Jobs. Etc...
I shrug, it's just how the world works. The person that came up with the idea gets the credit, not the millions of minions under them that support that idea.
Bouman came up with the idea of the distributed radio telescope array, and how to fill in the gaps. The rest of it is really fluff and support of that idea. Sure, the guy fixed a bunch of bugs and was the buildmaster, but that's like saying the guy at AWS that strings all the network cables is the superstar because he's hooked up more machines than anyone else.
Take it or leave it...The repo is out there if you want to go look it up.
[–]frikabg0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
it doesn't matter how much you credit bill gates for microsoft or any other 'great mind' their achievement simply would not exist without others. Just because people take the wrong approach and try to sell you the idea that it is a right one does not make it a right one it is still wrong and what you and the others are doing is selling this bullshit around by defending it and saying 'it was always like that so there is nothing wrong with it'.
There is a word in the English language 'change' there are also expressions like 'evolving' 'taking a step forward' etc. how about going for that instead of supporting something that is wrong at its core? Naah... guess that is too much to ask for.
[–]chakan20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
By your logic...Einstein wasn't all that great because he had his undergrads write his equations on the board for him.
No one said Chael wasn't a good coder, or wasn't valuable to the team. But being the maintenance guy just isn't the story here.
By all means, we should celebrate the janitors at CERN and FERMI. I don't disagree with that, they work hard, and cleaning up after slobs like me is a thankless task. However, I don't think you're going to sell that story to many people.
[–]frikabg0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't need to sell that story to anyone it is a matter of fact. You might want to turn your head the other way and ignore the contribution of others but just because you think this is the way to go does not mean these people were not there did not do what they had to do. The issue is not with these people the issue is with the way of thinking of people like you and you can try and twist this as much as you want and get as many other 'people's approval' but reality really doesn't care.
[–]chakan20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Corporate cares, and hiring managers care. Frankly that's all that matters. If you want to be the guy that tries to take credit from school girls, good luck with that, you're not going to last long in engineering.
[–]Lawuhiku0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
but his work was mostly bug fixes and maintenance
This objectively makes your entire comment fucking irrelevant. Simply because it implies that bug fixing and maitenance is just a side task anyone can do.
It's not like that:
First of all you have to understand the entire project;
You have to figure out which part is causing problems;
Fucking fix it.
Yeah, that fucking easy, 3 steps. I'd fucking love to see you accomplish step 1 in next two months.
You also blah blah about LoC, but it's fucking important. 850k LoC is nothing to scoff at. How much could YOU manage? Also look at amount of commits and what kind of commits there actually are, dumbass.
[–]TheGillos0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, always look for the reality over the narrative. There are enough real examples of women taking undue credit without looking bad, getting the facts wrong, and spreading disinformation.
[–]beatles-lover0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bouman clearly deserves the credit for writing the core code here.
The thing is, it's pretty rare for women -- especially attractive young women -- to have actual bona fide scientific or technological accomplishments. At the same time, it's extremely common for our gynocentric society to pretend that women are having such accomplishments. That's why very strong evidence is required to support the claims that (1) Bouman deserves primary credit for this black hole thing; and (2) what she did is significant.
[–]chakan20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518544961830918
[–]SirYouAreIncorrect0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That comment will probably get smashed by this community
It should be smashed because it is factually wrong
[–]Phantom_Spark38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That guy needs to shut up because making her the hero sells more magazines, or gets NASA more funding for pushing women's achievement forward. LOL
Why am I not surprised?
[–]goemon4531 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck Reddit
[–]GrisBosque34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Another disgusting example of Lemmings running for the cliffs...
The good news: We do have a back chanel to get the truth.
Guys, you gotta quit feeding into the system and start feeding into the alternatives to replace it.
This is just another sign of the times and how terminal things are going and getting.
Best you be getting your own shit together from fundamental necessities on up.
This is the crash we are watching happen in real time.
The Big Lie is going terminal.
[–]GrisBosque11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
correct!
And this is nothing new!
The management has been doing crap like this for generations; snubbing the guys who do the actual work, and hiring and promoting their own over them out of elite colleges and families...
All this is; is them deciding to augment the elite with cunts.
ie include them in the mix with the intellectually bankrupt upper crust males...
This is nails in the coffin for NASA. What guy will want to work for the bastards knowing the truth?
And the whole society is toxic like this...
Youre on your own, you work for the society anywhere, and youre going to get perpetually screwed.
Best just carve out your own freelance position with enough flexibility and mobility to side step crap, and get your guy things in order for the inevitable crash of the system from terminal stupidity and endless lies that no one believes anymore except absolute idiots and the newly hatched.
[–]MesaBoogeyMan23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On unpopular opinion there was a post saying she doest deserve the credit. It was just deleted. Jesus....
[–]cheetoes2423 points24 points25 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Hey I’m studying computer science and let me say this shit is HARD. It is very difficult to write an algorithm like this. This isn’t some Fibonacci number generator. This is an algorithm to digitally construct an image of a black hole! 5 petabytes (5000 terabytes!) of data gathered from 8 telescopes worldwide over the course of a week went into this image. This chick had to have some background in astronomy, physics, and chemistry in addition to computer science to put together the algorithm to bring all that together to make this picture that we just scroll past.
I’m not saying there isn’t bias in the media because there totally is, but it’s not fair to this girl to discredit the work she did. We MGTOW, of all people, should know the value of hard work, and this girl has worked hard to get where she is.
And sure, it might not be fair to the other people who likely worked just as hard (and maybe harder) to give us this image, but she is the one who originally had the idea. The first person to have an idea gets the credit. That’s just how things work. With or without bias.
[–]Ron-Don-Volante5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand what you are saying, but I am reminded of this quote:
It's not about ideas, it's about making ideas happen.
[–]frikabg2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know what are you trying to say over here... no one is saying she didn't do any work what people are saying that she didn't do ALL the work. Are you saying she did? If not what exactly are you arguing against?
[–]clayticus18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I saw her all over cuckbook and I knew there was more to the story. Even if she was a man there is no project of this magnitude done by 1 person.
[–]frikabg3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but she worked on the project for 12 years ever since she was 17! What are you trying to say... that a single woman couldn't have done this huge achievement on her own?!?? That is so fucking sexist! /s
[–]Lawuhiku1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But there are, Achael pretty much did entire thing.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Now let's see a pic of the transgender POC and their contribution! /s
[–]frikabg4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
give it a day or two i am sure they will come up with something!
[–]TrojanPiece15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This over here is the only bigotry in action. Not wage gap, nothing. Fuck people.
[–]Reversevagina11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/our-people
Katie Bouman Postdoctoral fellow for EHT PhD, MIT 2017
Katie Bouman
Postdoctoral fellow for EHT
PhD, MIT 2017
There's total of smh like 50 people there. She's obviously not the only working on that thing. Anyways:
Katie Bouman is starting as an assistant professor in the Computing and Mathematical Sciences Department at the California Institute of Technology. She has been a postdoctoral fellow with the Event Horizon Telescope in the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. She received her Ph.D. in the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) at MIT in EECS. Before going to MIT, she received her bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Michigan. The focus of her research is on using emerging computational methods to push the boundaries of interdisciplinary imaging.
Oh wow, I found our guy:
Andrew Chael Graduate Student, Black Hole Initiative Graduate Student (Physics), Department of Astronomy Andrew Chael is working on EHT projects at the intersection of theory and observation. He performs GRMHD simulations with new electron temperature evolution code to simulate movies of Sgr A* and M87 to better understand how EHT observations will constrain the plasma physics of the inner accretion flow and jet. He also is a leader on the EHT imaging working group, and has pioneered new algorithms on reconstructing images directly from robust data products like closure phase and amplitude. He is the author of the eht-imaging software library which is used across the collaboration for analyzing data and generating images.
Andrew Chael
Graduate Student, Black Hole Initiative
Graduate Student (Physics), Department of Astronomy
Andrew Chael is working on EHT projects at the intersection of theory and observation. He performs GRMHD simulations with new electron temperature evolution code to simulate movies of Sgr A* and M87 to better understand how EHT observations will constrain the plasma physics of the inner accretion flow and jet. He also is a leader on the EHT imaging working group, and has pioneered new algorithms on reconstructing images directly from robust data products like closure phase and amplitude. He is the author of the eht-imaging software library which is used across the collaboration for analyzing data and generating images.
Looks like Andrew is doing the heavy lifting here. He's the leader of EHT imaging working group. Fucking hell, and miss sugartits is taking the credit.
[–]derrr4561 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He is a graduate student and she’s an associate professor (post doc) of course he’s going to do all the work and she’s going to get the credit that’s how academics works. It’s based on who’s the senior member of the group.
[–]difficult_vaginas0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe they all made valuable contributions? Which is what both of these individuals have said about eachother. PhD fellow at Harvard, garduated from MIT, vs a grad student at Harvard...
[–]NohoTwoPointOh4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
They all did make valuable contributions. However, the "Mustmakewomentheleadstoryineverthingregardlessofthereality!!!" crew is making her out to be the President, the General, and King of the Scene. All because of millions of frail egos cannot accept that the team (and contributions) were overwhelmingly men. White ones at that..<shudder>.
Your suggestion is the very reason for the post. I am sure nearly everyone would agree with you. These smart people all made this happen and the TEAM should be praised. Instead of praising the team, the massively biased US and UK media found their nearest deity and started sucking her dick for the entire news cycle.
[–]t938-3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Andrew committed generated code and bug fixes. You can generate 800k lines of code in a few hours if you know what you’re doing.
The girl committed human-written algorithms. Writing algorithms is much harder and is the bulk of the task. This sub loves to shit on women, so retards like OP post dumb shit because they don’t understand programming or the world in general.
Get over your frail ego. Everyone contributed to this project. The algorithm for this image was her brainchild.
[–]lostapwbm12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What did you really expect from the Lying Press?
Would you like some Fake News to go with your Fake News? Perhaps a side of Fake News? Maybe wash it down with a large Fake News?
These fuckers lie for a living. It's what they do.
[–]GokuDiedForOurSins5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you mean Luggenpresse.
[–]lostapwbm2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to add an umlaut for the proper spelling and pronunciation of 'Lügenpresse.'
[–]_Last_Man_Standing_9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
honk honk 🤡🌍
praise kek!
[–]SomeRandomUser1119 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow! I never even heard of that guy. The media makes it seem like she was the ONLY author of the algorithm.
[–]M-Axiom9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To be fair, tons (~500k) of those 850k lines are auto-generated data. Still - point stands
[–]teslaistheshit0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Got my interest. How so? Auto generated from data schema builds? NPM packages or something?
[–]MemeAttestor8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
God I fucking despise Reddit and it's shitty horde-minded double standards. She wrote less than 2,500 lines of code for the project out of 900,000, yet is considered the sole leader of it by Reddit cucks for no other reason than a hole between her legs.
[–]Spezzit3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What percent of that code is comments?
[–]Izzyk226 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Turns out, she did a sub sub sub part of a programm. A sort of 'adaptor' that just reformats certain data into another format, and then feeds it into the ACTUAL programm.
That misrepresentation of what she actually contributed and what she actually did is nauseing. Either nepotism on the part of the institution OR the media.
Sources :
here, what SHE wrote ( HOPSTOOLS ) : https://github.com/klbouman/hopstools
Here the mother program, where that optional part of her is added, where it acts as a sort of interface to import one more datatype by reformatting it.
source : https://github.com/sao-eht/eat/graphs/contributors
It's kinda ridiculous, how the media morphs this into something COMPLETEY different.
btw: that's also NOT an algo, but just reformatting data.
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You dont understand - she did NOT write and algo at all. sche did NOT write an image tool at all.
What she did code is at max about 4 pages of code - but more importantly - is neither an algo, nor a imaging program but is an ADAPTOR for a source of data, which reformats the data to feed it into the mother program - of which she contributed that adaptor, which makes up ca 0.01% of said mother program at max AND is marked as "optional" part of the program
sources : https://github.com/sao-eht/eat/graphs/contributors
Her whole bundle ("hopstools") here was merged into the mother programm and counted as one commit of 'mother' program. hopstools, of which she did at max 25% Her share on contribution on this actual imaging program is about 0.3% max, but OK lets say 1% - So she did less than 1/4 of 1% of the work. max. If we're very generous.
this little part is the share that her contribution does. And again : HOPSTOOLS is just an adaptor for another dataformat that can be read into the 'mother' programm. that's it.
Andrew Chael wrote 850k out of the 900k lines of code He was also the leader of the project Michael D. Johnson wrote 12k lines of code Chanchikwan wrote 5k lines of code
The woman? Only wrote 2.4k lines of code
Interestingly enough, the code she wrote was importing something called HOPStools
Interestingly enough if we go look at HOPStools and all its contributors we get:
weilgusm wrote 2.9k lines of code
chanchikwan wrote 676 lines of code
Andrew Chael wrote 1.2k lines of code
jpbarrett wrote 71 lines of code
Katie Bouman wrote 2 lines of code
Hell, even on the hopstools thing there is this in the summary:
"=============================
For Katie:
cd /Users/klbouman/Research/vlbi_imaging/software/hops/build source hops.bash
run this file from: /Users/klbouman/Research/vlbi_imaging/software/hops/eat"
She also fixed absolutely none of the bugs on the EHT
And the algorithm they talk about? It was plagiarized off of a japanese guy named Mareki Honma who made the thing back in 2012, and uploaded/updated it to github in 2016
Andrew Chael asked to use it, Honma helped him adapt it, and was part of 60 japanese people working on the project
Katie Bouman, also isn't following any one at all on Github and has basically only utilized it for these two projects (Hopstools and EHT)
The second co-leader of the EHT imaging group is Kazunori Akiyama with the first being, Andrew Chael.
https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/kazunori-akiyama
http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410
Looks like MIT's social media twitter account didn't collaborate with MIT's own news office since in reality, Katie Bouman did not lead any team at all or was a leader at all.
The actual leaders were Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael.
Notice how before this social media shilling on twitter, the MIT article only mentioned Katie Bouman once at the very end of the article.
The Haystack EHT team includes John Barrett, Roger Cappallo, Joseph Crowley, Mark Derome, Kevin Dudevoir, Michael Hecht, Lynn Matthews, Kotaro Moriyama, Michael Poirier, Alan Rogers, Chester Ruszczyk, Jason SooHoo, Don Sousa, Michael Titus, and Alan Whitney. Additional contributors were MIT alumni Daniel Palumbo, Katie Bouman, Lindy Blackburn, Sera Markoff, and Bill Freeman, a professor in MIT’s Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.
How long before this MIT article written by MIT themselves gets taken down and rewritten to give Katie Bouman a whole paragraph to herself?
When will the mainstream media take responsibility for inaccurate reporting? Why is there such a glaring difference between one of MIT's twitter accounts versus their own press release?
Why were the 2 leaders: Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael completely ignored by everybody else?
4 teams around the world.
American team was ked by Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael.
Nowhere it is mentioned that Katie Bouman led the American team, just only these 2 males who were co leaders.
Where did this Katie Bouman was leader originate from? Even MIT's own news article doesn't mention this.
Katie Bouman did not invent the algorithm.
Multiple people are cited on the limited proof of concept thesis.
The actual research and development of practical application of this technology, as well as development of the algorithm itself, was done by a huge team of researchers, not Katie Bouman:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1901.06226
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.06226.pdf
https://iopscience.iop.org/journal/2041-8205
This is the primary research that led to the possibility of imaging the black hole. Notice how the research cites Andrew Chael’s EHT imaging library (the guy who wrote 850,000 lines of code). Chael wrote the entire library. To not give him the same or preferably more credit than Bouman is pretty messed up.
https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/andrew-chael
Also, Katie Boumsn did not lead or manage anything. These are the directors, managers, and affiliates:
Katie Bouman does not deserve 100%, 50%, 25%, 10%, 5%, or even 1% of the credit. There are so many people involved that made far more significant contributions (like Andrew Chael developing the EHT imaging library).
What has science come to when such incredible falsehoods about who contributed to research are perpetuated by the scientific community and mainstream media? It’s wrong.
[–]manginahunter0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You should do a detailed YT video about this. I smell a whole another Teranos story behind this again...
[–]Izzyk220 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk about that. Video editing isn't really my forte
[–]Touch_It_Boi4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are wonderful effect
[–]marvelkombat4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel bad for the whole team how they put only one member upfront
[–]Teflon081914 points5 points6 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Notice how when one single woman helps however marginally in accomplishing something interesting, all of womankind dogpiles on to try and take credit.
Women only care about the social approval of accomplishing greatness, not the accomplishment itself.
[–]NoThanksIDontDrink0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What offends me most about this is that she is complicit in stealing credit from this dude. Posing for photos and giving speeches. The way the media sells this story is one thing, but this is a whole new level.
[–]iguy224 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny thing is, I bet the guy on the right would defend M'lady and still give her all the credit.
[–]tylerden2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hes viewed as the disposable male and she is the precious one of a kind precious angel. The internet just kisses the asses of women. It's sickening. Really it is.
And on another note...Jesus! How young they both Are!
[–]Zeliow3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honk honk, we're living in clown world where everything is backwards.
[–]HappyDaysMyDays3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reminds me of when I was working on my doctorate degree. All my work was credited to a prof. She had a good resume thanks to many good students.
[–]vauux4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Knew it was bullshit the moment I saw 2x posts of her on diff subs at the top of reddit. Women are too dumb for this, they love to take the credit though.
Women are too dumb for this
If they fucking weren't they why didn't they invent most of the things in the history of MENkind? Just saying... i am so sick and tired of listening how women are equal to men and so capable and smart but when i ask for some fucking proof and facts i am being called hater because the 'people' who argue with me have literally NOTHING ELSE to come back with.
[–]nhdw3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Oh,,, but a Female in a science field!!!! WE MUST SHOW HER SUPPORT... "
.....fucking fuck straight the hell off with this shit
[–]Eric_Cartman-_-3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
850 fcukin thousand!!!
[–]harrypotterversion24 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Goddd damn it. I saw that and even wondered to myself, "would this be promoted as much if it wasn't a female?" And I blamed it on my own cynicism. I guess not.
[–]danielmd922 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can someone please confirm this is true? With a reliable source?
1st time I saw this news I honestly was genuinely happy for the women. I did had a small % of me thinking hope it's actually true and it's not forced.
If it turns out to be true I wouldn't be surprised thought....
It’s true, it’s just so incompatible with the general view of women they’re trying to tear her down. This guy wrote 566 lines of code, but uploaded the datasets, which to completely code illiterate numpties makes it look like he contributed the most- but those datasets are computer generated.
She designed the algorhythm that interpreted the data. It was her work.
[–]frikabg0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the truth is that no one knows for sure who did how much work. What we know for sure is that it was a team effort and that this woman did not do this on her own she does not deserve all the credit her whole team does. No woman in the history of everything ever accomplished everything on her own just like no men did it is ALWAYS a team effort!
[–]MrWigggles0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Theses two arent mutually exclusive. Designing the algorithm, devoloping it, and then the prorgamming the implentation of it are two different things. They can be done by the same person, they dont need to be.
[–]Samuraidweeb0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah so you think they let someone who just got her PhD to do that?
[–]MrWigggles1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Sure. Folks without phd design algorithms often. And just getting one, doesn't mean she without experience. The guy that wrote code deserve credit too. It's a huge effort if something that's never been done before. Where the folk that had to manage the database and data retrieval from an international collection of telescopes? Probably wasn't a bog standard SQL table for that.
[–]Samuraidweeb1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She was a junior in the fucking team. No way they let someone like that design shit.
[–]MrWigggles0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe she was selected on the team, because she could design it, or before she was on the team she she was already working on it.
[–]Samuraidweeb0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She didn't design shit https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34iM1xWwAAvSGh.jpg
[–]t9380 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Plenty of juniors have had groundbreaking discoveries. Usually PhDs come up with the algorithm and other people write the code, that’s how it works in large projects. Scientists are not all programmers.
Yeah but not her
[–]careofKnives0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“They can be done by the same person”
You know damn well she is not capable of writing that algorithm. I guarantee one day she said very excitedly “Oh my god! what if we got all the smart people to try and take a picture of a black whole!?” That was the entirety of her contribution.
[–]Drone6182 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Elizabeth Holmes 2.0.
[–]Griever1142 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Welcome to the world of content filtering.
[–]eaxiv2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Software dev here, she actually wrote the code for an adapter that transforms data from one program to another, so she did like a sub-sub program, and that is actually optional as posted in the GitHub project's page, she didn't have anything to do with the "algorithm" as far as I know.
[–]DiscombobulatedSalt22 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I doubt all software is yet published or in published form. The stuff in her repo are mostly irrelevant small utilities. Who knows what she real did write. I did read her 250 PhD thesis and maybe only two pages around page 118 are worth reading. Rest is just a filler and introduction.
Sure 2 pages are enough in mathematics and methods to be influencial. As of how novel it is, or brilliant, hard to say. I doubt she got there alone. She had a lot of help of others.
The pseudo code in the paper was hers. That’s all that really matters in the end, it’s the core of the project.
[–]bartrarted2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand that without the other people her work never happens, but without her the team never completes the task, everyone on the team should be pictured, regardless of gender/race/whatever
[–]robowriter2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
They're not the captain of the ship, the commander of the fortress, the trail blazer, the adventurer, the entrepreneur, the risk-taker, hero of the battle, the mercenary. Nor do they sacrifice themselves for anyone or possess loyalty; rather they routinely lie, cheat, misrepesent, and emotionally manipulate.
Who am I? I am woman.
[–]Smiliey2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Figured it was a propaganda piece considering how widespread this article is for a "scientific" achievement and it just HAPPENS to center around a woman...
[–]OhCex2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just post this proof:
Tuns out, she did a sub sub sub part of a programm. A sort of 'adaptor' that just reformats certain data into another format, and then feeds it into the ACTUAL programm.
ITS OVER FOR FRAUDING ROASTIES (FUCK THEM BTW)
[–]evolenmity2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's the bias? It's 2 people who worked on picturing the black hole.
[–]Eric90601 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women in technology tho
[–]luccisanolean1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL
[–]Pythor127061 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u/RollingDownTheOcean
[–]LovedollUK1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh wow, how did she do it?
[–]careofKnives0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Get real, she didn’t do shit besides gather a bunch of smart males.
[–]don_Mugurel1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Please bare in mind the distinction between number of lines of code and worthwhile code. You can write just 1 function, or one method and install and run a external JavaScript package, and that package alone can generate 2-5k lines of code, easy. And those lines do get versioned and counted.
This is not book writing, and even if it was, you can't compare a poet and a novelist just based on number of lines.
That being said, It does look like they picked her out as a "team ambassador" or project face. Why they did it is debatable. Maybe they wanted to avoid another "shirt debacle".
[–]t9381 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The algorithm in the paper was hers, that’s the only part that matters in the end
[–]redditcomm0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Writing an abstract idea is the easy part. Figuring out how to implement it in the real world involves solving many other *theoretical* problems as well. That's why purely theoretical computer scientists rarely produce anything productive. They just consider problems in isolation.
An actual workable solution requires much more work. Abstract ideas are cheap and fast. The boring and time consuming task is writing it up in a bureaucratic paper, but the usable essence, the algorithm, is a tiny piece. These kind of "reports" are rarely useful for implementing anything, since it leaves out the crucial details.
Reproducible science fails regularly on this issue. It's not that obvious at all how to implement abstract algorithms in practice. You can observe that issue with papers all the time in machine learning.
She is not alone with that issue in academic writing, but praising someone as a star who hasn't actually implemented an idea, is just ridiculous. If you were honest, you'd call that "introduction to..." or "Towards ...". A big difference!
[–]BingeV1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
My first impression when I first saw the picture on the left was "Wait, one person wrote the entire program?" The wording and the picture make it seem that way. But then I saw another post that said "Dr. Katie Bouman and her team". I was glad they at least included "team" but now seeing the pic on the right I feel disgusted. Andrew Chael wrote 94% percent of the program and Bouman gets all the credit. What the fuck is wrong with people.
[–]massy5253 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh just wait until they start to try to compare programming the software to "digging ditches" or something equally insulting. She did the real work the "IDEAS!!!" he was just a dumb programmer that did all the grunt work...
[–]difficult_vaginas1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He did not. Look at his major contributions... they are huge datasets, not code. That's why his line count is so much higher than the others on the project.
[–]t938-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Because maybe if you fucking understood what you’re talking about you’d know that LOC means nothing? I work on a multi-billion dollar codebase. The new kid spent 5 minutes and doubled our LoC. It doesn’t mean he contributed half as much.
The hardest part of any codebase is the algorithm. That was her PhD and her brainchild. It’s ignorant and retarded to look at lines of code as a measure of work or contribution. That shit is the easy part and is often generated.
[–]BingeV1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The post says that says he wrote 850,000 LOC of the total 900,000 LOC that were written in the black hole image algorithm. You state that the hardest part of any codebase is the algorithm, but the post says he wrote most of the code that was written in the algorithm. So idk what you are talking about. Anyone who spends 5 mins writing a program knows that most of it is just reused code that someone else wrote (functions, libraries, etc). Hell, even most algorithms are reused. The part that amazed me was that he wrote most of the code that was written in the black hole image algorithm and yet she gets all the fame. Also, I never used LOC as a metric for how hard he worked, I used it as a metric for the composition of the entire program (100%) of the lines, in which he wrote 94%.
[–]t9380 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The post says that says he wrote 850,000 LOC of the total 900,000 LOC that were written in the black hole image algorithm.
But if you actually look at the code, most of it (almost all of it) is generated.
LOC is a meaningless metric. The research paper is by far the most important thing here.
Anyone who spends 5 mins writing a program knows that most of it is just reused code that someone else wrote (functions, libraries, etc).
Only if you’re doing something generic and reusable. Absolutely not the case for research.
[–]BingeV0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I just based what I said off the original post so I didn't know what the actual code was compromised of. I knew a big portion of it was generated (850000 LOC is a lot for one person). But that doesn't discount him from contributing.
I do agree that research is important but keep in mind, plenty of research was done on black holes for years by brilliant scientists from all over the world but only recently was an actual picture generated with code. I'm not sure why you keep saying LOC is meaningless. Like the actual number? Or the code that comprises it? If you are saying the code is meaningless then most people who write software are doing a meaningless job as only a very small portion of people write original code from scratch. I would agree with you that the number of lines doesn't mean much but the code that comprises it has value, otherwise we wouldn't see a pic of the black hole.
At this point I don't even know what your original argument was tbh. Were you saying that only she deserves credit and everyone else was doing meaningless work because they were reusing code?
Were you saying that only she deserves credit and everyone else was doing meaningless work because they were reusing code?
Nah. Everyone deserves credit.
What I’m saying is that this whole post was in bad faith. It implies that his 850k lines of code means he contributed more than she did, and because of this, that there must be some SJW conspiracy to prop up women.
That’s absolutely not true. The number of lines of code doesn’t tell you anything at all - not even in an approximate or heuristical manner - how much someone contributed to the project.
This post was made by someone who just wanted to shit on the scientist in the image without actually understanding what they’re talking about.
[–]BingeV0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It implies that his 850k lines of code means he contributed more than she did, and because of this, that there must be some SJW conspiracy to prop up women.
Well, either way, I think the whole team did an amazing job on this project. There is definitely bias that exists though that can't be ignored, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy however. There's been numerous studies relating to how many women get hired in the tech industry vs men. They saw that more men get hired (shocker) and they have been formulating ideas on how to get more women into tech. They've proposed things like preventing people from asking questions and instead creating a "random" list of students in which the teacher will call on, even if they don't have a question. This means that even if you have a question on something, you can't raise your hand anymore. You'll just have to be lucky enough to get called on. The idea here is that women feel scared and ashamed to ask questions and as a result have lower grade averages than men in those classes. However, if women had higher grade averages no one would care and would probably praise those women for overcoming their "oppression". That's not even including the proposals for girls only science and technology programs. If girls want to study tech/engineering/whatever, they will do so. It's just most women prefer going into bio based stuff or chemistry. You don't see anyone trying to get more men into bio/chem based majors, do you? But because more men are doing engineering/tech stuff, that means that women are being treated unfairly so that's why there are more men in those fields. There are girls in my engineering based classes and guess what? They kick ass and take names later. They are usually the most engaged students and ask the most questions. I've never seen a girl get shot down because she raised her hand. It's ridiculous. So I do understand where this original post is coming from but I'm in total agreement with you if there was misinformation.
The number of lines of code doesn’t tell you anything at all - not even in an approximate or heuristical manner - how much someone contributed to the project.
Everyone reuses work other people have done (even the scientist) at some level and that doesn't necessarily mean they did a useless job. How many projects have you done that don't rely on reused code? Probably none if any. But that doesn't mean that you didn't contribute anything to that project. I would agree with you however that LOC doesn't necessarily mean that the person worked really hard or had to do some original research or whatever. But I disagree with you if you are saying that the code he wrote is meaningless. The scientist and her team all did an awesome job and without each other this picture probably wouldn't have came into existence.
Sure. You never use basic data structures, like trees, array, or lists and algorithms that operate on them. You don't use network protocols, you don't use a memory manager, no windowing system, no file system, etc.
Everyone reuses code, that's how you build abstract and high level system.
The grunt work of the past was usually the topic of many PhD thesis, to ensure it's implemented efficiently, and that it guarantees some safety properties.
The research paper is *not* the most important thing, unless it really details every necessary step to turn an *abstract* idea into an efficiently implementable solution. Making a program work well with real data requires again to solve many theoretical problems, again. Turning abstract ideas into code is *not* the same as writing a trivial program that you wrote countless times. If so, maybe the idea wasn't that special after all...
Sure, there are a lot of brag kids out there, who boast about the LOC they produced. A very bad metric indeed. But don't make the mistake to dismiss the groundwork that was done as cheap work. Someone will take your work, and consider it basics for their work. It's all a question of what your focus is.
Also one quick note on something else I noticed. You repeatedly refer to people on this sub as "incel". I just wanted to clarify that an incel is someone who wants sex, intimacy, etc but can't get it, even if they tried. Or they think that women owe them sex and get mad when they don't get any. Men who go their own way (MGTOW) are men who don't want sex, intimacy, etc. MGTOW men are by definition, not incel. I know I can get pussy if I tried, I just prefer to spend my time on more useful things like my studies or improving myself. If you want to learn from this wonderful community then learn some respect and stay for a while, otherwise fuck off.
[–]nastyneeick1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The amount of code written isnt necessarily the most important thing, or a sign of who deserves the most credit.
[–]Nov516051 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im not computer science savvy. So was she the originator of the algorithm, then the giy did all the heavy lifting for the code to fit in the algorithm OR was there a preexisting code which allowed her to develop the algorithm? Explain this to a dummy
[–]ChristopherBurr1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hrm .. Andrew is a member of the Astronomy and Astrophysics Outlist of LGBTQIA+ members of the astronomical community.(https://achael.github.io/)
I wonder if feminism or LGBT<insert letters here> will win this narrative.
two under-represented groups enter .. one leaves .. fight!
[–]DiscombobulatedSalt21 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even more interesting, she was on one of four independent data analysis teams. All teams arrived at same results independently. If she and her team produce nothing , scientific result would be basically the same.
[–]TheNewAge21471 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
people find pleasure in cucking themselves now
just look at the porn genre
that shit popped up recently after all the other weird genres have propped up
[–]goldudemk1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looking past the politics of this, i do think the left picture does belong on r/pics more than the right, due to the fact that the left is an actual reaction of the hard work (her, him, and entire team of people, regardless), while the right is just him in a random photo
[–]pro_skub1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
If I'm not mistaken 1M LOC is just a medium-sized, or even smallish, software system, depending on the language of course. For comparison, as of today firefox has about 40M LOC. I don't think the big achievement lays in the code itself, whoever has written it. But the infrastructure, data gathering, etc.
In any case we all know no one person developed the "algorithm", and yeah, I very much doubt this particular woman did it. She just fits the narrative and it's a great story for the media, as if they ever cared about "facts", lol. It's clear as day it's all bullshit.
The algorithm was her PHD. Then other people turned it into code. Everyone contributed, and she’s rightfully the star of the show because her algorithm enabled it. If you’ve ever worked on a scientific project or collaborative codebase you’d know that the algorithm is the hardest part and the code is just tying shit together.
If she made the whole project as part of her PhD, then yes, she would be rightfully the star, but she did not.
Everyone who has worked in computer science knows there is a huge step between an abstract formulation of a system, and an actual implementation. Many times during the implementation, a lot of other theoretical problems become visible.
The abstract problem of gathering data from many sources, unifying it to a whole that is consistent is nothing novel or groundbreaking, but has been done many times. Her contribution are on the same level as being the idea person. Abstract ideas are nice, concrete implementations are the hard part. It is not like she solved a long standing algorithmic problem.
A good PhD at least implements a proof of concept that works, even if it may only work for a smaller scale project/amount of data.
And even then, people who made it possible to scale up a small working project to a big one, deserve a significant mention.
This trend to hype young people for small contributions or overvaluing project leads is cringy worthy. I never liked when people praised me for little achievements (which they liked to highlight most, ironically), but preferred to ignore or dismiss the real hard problems. Probably they just comment on what they can understand, which is sad, especially if you want actual help or an actual discussion about what matters.
In that case, you really deserve the praise, because people let you solve the remaining 90% on your own.
That kind of praise, however is very rare. Hero stories, that really aren't any, are quite common, though.
General comment: The amount of lines is not a measure for the effort put into a project, nor its "size". Firefox is big for many other reasons, including that it's basically an OS, including the many spin off projects, like Rust, that are a major effort, and the many contributors.
Judging by size of the code base thus is a flawed measure, and not even a good indicator. It says nothing about the effort or time that went into writing the code.
Don't let yourself be fooled by bigger/more is better. A lean and well refined system that just looks simple and like a little "tool" can involve a lot of effort, that is not obvious if you look at the end result.
Not the least the amount of time necessary to research, make it compatible, find solutions for the problems the theoretical problems, and maintaining over years, etc.
That said, I don't think she deserves that lone praise, precisely because of these reasons: she just had the abstract idea, that isn't even novel. The amount of lines of code however is not the reason to diminish this achievement.
[–]Fiasko211 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is not true. Do you own research.. it is true that bouman didn’t write all of it. But it’s false that this guy came even close to writing that much code.
[–]DaveDonnie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually tried to argue this, but there were some fair counters. Ex. "More lines of code doesn't mean better." That does make sense; it's about what you write, not how much. Also a counter was that a lot of the 850k were auto generated
[–]ChiTownBob0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait, are you saying that LWW's use propaganda?
That NEVAH happens! /sarc
[–]nekomari0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't the first picture posted a whole 6 hours before the one on the left.
[–]Mista_Gang0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
JFL
[–]U_Want_It_I_Got_It0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Crap, I actually believed she did it ALL. It just shows the bias there.
[–]AncapGhxst-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The chances of the woman being smart enough for that is very low. Many smarter men than smart women. Proven by the team of men that created the code.
[–]Toshiba1point0-5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I’m as mgtow as anyone but there are women who are plenty smart enough so please don’t go blindly slamming anyone with a set of ovaries due to false male pride. If you don’t believe me, read Hidden Figures about the black women in 40s, 50s, and 60s who were became the Airforce/NASAs human computers.
[–]AncapGhxst8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
There are always outliers. I'm not slamming anyone just stating facts.
Of the people who are smart, creative, and driven enough to make an important contribution to science or technology, 99% are men. At the same time, gynocentric society wants to pretend that the number is 50% and is willing to go to great lengths to dissemble, distort, or outright lie in order to support this phony narrative.
Therefore, any time a woman is touted as having some important scientific or technological accomplishment, it's reasonable to assume it's bullshit until strong evidence is presented otherwise.
[+]Toshiba1point0-8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The chances of the woman being smart enough for that is very low
Yes you godamnwell are
[–]frikabg7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No he is not and you are obviously not intelligent enough to know the difference between 'very low' and 'non existant'. Very low in his reply means that there are exceptions which is exactly the case.
so please don’t go blindly slamming anyone with a set of ovaries due to false male pride
False male pride? Which part is false and what exactly shouldn't he as a men not be prideful about? The fact that the huge majority of things invented and built and maintained in the world was done by men?
I guess achieving what mankind has achieved is nothing to take pride in though at least according to you instead we should be... i don't know feel guilty? Ashamed...? Why don't you fill in that last part for me as a MGTOW?
PS. Nothing screams MGTOW like worshiping a woman and putting your fellow men down for their achievements does it? God forbid some fucking men felt pride in his genders accomplishments ... naah we can't have that!
[+]Toshiba1point0-6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What ever gets your rocks off cunt
[–]frikabg4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ohhh look! Another great intellectual who when confronted about the bulshit he jsut spewed out has nothing else to reply with but insults! My.... aren't you unique and special.... /s
[–]Toshiba1point00 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No Im quoting facts that you were refusing to acknowledge and acting like a cunt.
[–]AncapGhxst6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's just facts man. Sorry you don't like them.
Imagine of the left title was "This is Katie Bouman, she wrote 2500 of the 900000 lines of code!"
[–]wildfireboat0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Can someone explain this controversy a little more?
I don't understand Github but I did my best...
I went to the Github link.
I see graphs associated with various usernames.
It appears the graphs plot "Commits" over "Time".
But what is a "Commit"? Is this one line of code? Does this mean that the higher the "orange" on the y-axis the more lines of code delivered?
And how can we tell how many lines of code each person delivered?
Thanks!
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[–]rofl19690 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
you're 17 years old, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about kid
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[–]massy5250 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
when in reality she probably just got the idea from another person
One of the articles I read said she basically just continued the work of some Japanese researchers. I can't remember where.
[–]t9381 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Every bit of research is continued from other research. Even Einstein and Hawking stood on the shoulders of those before them. If they were girls, this sub would be like “lmao they didn’t really do anything they just copied other ppls work.”
Fair enough. I certainly am not going to claim to be anything other than an armchair critic about a PHD level research teams work.
But that kind of reasoning counters the view that she did all the important work. Surely the added details of her work don't trump the work necessary to add the other details to bring it to life. It's not like she did something really novel or groundbreaking.
Can't you see that?
[–]iamweirdasfuck0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
900,000 lines of code is so much work
He didn't write that much code, he uploaded tons of data aswell.
[–]look_a_throwaway1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The way git works is there's a "master" copy of the code. People create a copy of the master branch and work on their personal copy. They then commit and push the changes they make back to the master branch. Part of this is a merge that helps resolve problems when two people make changes to the same file. It takes a ton of pain out of working collaboratively.
A commit could be a complete refactor, a dozen features, a single feature, or even a single changed line.
Next to each person commit count is a +number -number that also tells you the total number of lines added and removed.
TBH, all of that stuff isn't very useful to determine how much someone contributed to the overall functionality. My biggest commits are all hundreds of lines of refactoring that just rearranges the code but doesn't change anything function wise, documentation, and big datasets (ex getting credit for adding a big dataset with every timezone in it). You can spend a week on a single line that has a much bigger impact than an impressive line count.
[–]tnigh50 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's all fake anyway
upvote vagina!
[–]bartrarted0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To be fair to her if she wrote the 50,000 line algorithm that handled the actual imaging process, which no one had ever developed before, that would be the most intensive and difficult part of the project. The rest could be 850,000 lines but, I could write a 9,000 page novel if I really wanted too. Length has nothing to do with it. Either way if you worked on a team, taking credit for the team's accomplishments is reprehensible in my mind.
yeah except without other people's work she wouldn't take this picture now would she? Making it sound like she did it on her own and giving her all the credit is disrespectful toward all the other people working on the project. I don't see how people lie you are completely missing the point on this
[–]joshuabl970 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I checked out the github repository and he is a data scientist/engineer and most of the "lines of code" he wrote are computer generated. I'm sure he is incredibly accomplished and talented, but the lines that he committed and the actual code that made this project happen aren't correlated.
You can check out his github here: it's very impressive, but if you understand github, you'll see that he is not responsible for 95% of the project. Lines of code in data science and the amount of actual code he wrote (which is actually very impressive from a quick glance) does not accurately describe the scope of the project.
[–]joshuabl97-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
also worth mentioning that (IMO) you should carry the same energy in researching things that fit your narrative, the same way you research and look into things that don't agree with.
[–]frikabg0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
sooo what is your point? That he shouldn't be credited for this achievement? Because even if he didn't do 95% of the coding you shouldn't really have a problem with him being mentioned as someone who did a lot of work on the project or should you?
[–]joshuabl970 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
my point is that this project was done by a team of people and not two people (I think about 10 people). This post is a gross exaggeration of reality. He committed the most lines in GitHub because that's how data science works. She was the team lead and wrote the complex algorithms that made the project even remotely possible in the first place...
There's nothing wrong with publicizing someone who made a scientific breakthrough... Do I think men generally get less credit for this type of stuff because it wouldn't be as publicized in main stream media? yes. Do I think its still incredulously impressive the work that she was able to accomplish all while managing the team/project? yes. There's nothing wrong with acknowledge hard work and talent of someone who has clearly gone the extra mile in their field. Falsely taking credit away from hard working individuals is not the solution to gender inequality.
[–]frikabg1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
she was able to accomplish all while managing the team/project? yes. There's nothing wrong with acknowledge hard work and talent of someone who has clearly gone the extra mile in their field.
We probably can spend a few hours arguing about this but they way i see things is this. She accomplished whatever she did because of the other people around her how much extra work she put in is extremely questionable because we don't know that and frankly i doubt she knows that as well since she won't know how many hours the other members put in as well.
When you speak about doing a lot of hard work and walking the extra mile sure i am more than willing to grand that she did the work she walked the extra mile but at the same time i am more than certain she wasn't the only one yet somehow she gets ALL the credit while the others are like... meh there might or might have not been other people around.
This might be just my opinion but in general i think that humanity has passed the point where a single person might discover/achieve something groundbreaking on his own and it will always require a team effort because of the complexity of things that are yet to be discovered. As such ALL of them deserve to be commended for their effort and their hard work and i am PERFECTLY ok with the article being 'Miss XXX the leading research team of BLA BLA managed to discover achieve ground breaking....' I am not asking for people to take away her hard work or not to credit her for what she did I am asking for the other people who worked hard as well to be commended. This shouldn't be a bad thing or a hard concept to grasp.(this last sentence was not targeted toward you)
[–]joshuabl971 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't disagree with you at all, but at the same time a lot more people know the name Steve Jobs than they know Steve Wozniak. It's just the way of the world. It was her vision and team management that made the project possible. That doesn't mean that her team mates didn't work as hard or harder than her. It's kind of just the way it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[–]redditcomm-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Steve Jobs is another infuriating example. He was the sales and marketing guy, and people see him as a genius. Ridiculous!
" It's just the way of the world "
That justifies every bad development or behavior in this world. I don't see how this is a positive attitude.
[–]Atton_Risk0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Any woman who attempt to pull this stolen accomplishment shit should be shot.
dude... if we start shooting women for something like that their numbers will plummet to non existence O_O I don't think there will be enough funeral agencies to bury all of them.
Agreed though I've seen some other people claim that it is mostly being done by PR people at MIT so she may not really be involved in the coverage. I guess we'll see if she speaks out and says that she was just another member of the team and the attention is overblown.
[–]combatmonk0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She wrote 2,000 lines BTW.
[–]Programmierprinzessi0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha sorry guys, but you need to read properly. She developed the algorithm, he did the implementation by writing the code. Designing an algorithm is the essential for the code and the hardest part. Writing the code is following the algorithms implementation steps.
[–]klaxz10 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What do you guys make of this?
It’s completely accurate. This sub is full of morons who have never worked on a software project, so they see two numbers and think they know everything and can justify their incel-ness.
Lines of code mean nothing in a project. Anyone who has spent 10 minutes on a team project knows this.
LOC mean nothing. Writing abstract algorithms means nothing either.
Some problems (including theoretical) only surface at the right level of abstraction, while all looks simple when considering the surface.
Programming does *not* mean you do menial work, it means you need to consider *all* the levels. How easy or hard the task is does depend on the problem, not at which level you implement it (yes algorithms are also implementations, just on more abstract machines).
But keep trolling with your superficial understanding of the subject. We need more smug incompetent people like you.
[–]Dahcpmis0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How wierd is it that my prejudgement of this girl was right? Had to come here to see it lol.
[–]PimpTears0070 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who said reddit isn’t hard left? Come and suck my dick please.
[–]MrJonesWildRide0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate these stories. "Hey look! A woman accomplished something! Women can do math too!"
[–]manginahunter0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
They should praise the neural network who made that possible. The problem is that they treat as the next Einstein or something but that's more likely more mundane comp vision research.
That's probably some neural network who where trained to analyze radio waves input by the telescopes arrays. Probably trained by using already know data and patterns.
One could use radar signature of multiple planes from multiple arrays, gather petabite of data then training to recognize the shape of the plane and even track it while flying and letting you know of an incoming threat. You would essentially teach how to render the plane by the radio waves data alone ! Any airplane would be rendered no matter if it's an F15, F35, a 747, an A380, a Su35 or a J20...
That algorithm is apparently an offset of some Japanese team who've done research on that are a few years before.
That's a great achievement but was spoiled by the establishment feminist system. (Which is funny the more time pass and we force them, the less women enter the field they were more graduate STEM women 30 or 40 years ago than today and that trend is nowhere reversing !)
Indeed this whole narrative she did it all and she is the next Einstein and we need more women in STEM narrative is completely out of control.
Guess some MGTOW activist will dig in that whole story like that first female billionaire who create a miraculous blood test scam of a few years ago and find the truth, there is their github and all the commits. One thing though: the number of lines isn't really representative of the input but we should search more about the core code and any resemblance between her algo and the Japanese one. I know there VERY talented MGTOW out there who have solid formation in science.
We need truth and light on this story, it's obvious that there again a political agenda especially against males in this whole debacle.
I will wait for some time (so that the dust settle down) and find the truth in the coming months or years.
[–]retrocore90 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this transcript was released of when her photo was taken.
"Guys I'm back from starbucks break. Did we make any progress? Hold on I have to click the thing. Ugh its frozen. Wait I got a text. Ok what do I click? Oh is it working!? OMG that is so neat. I need to text my friend. Did Michelle come in today I need to tell her about this guy from last night?"
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, the 850,000 lines of code are taken out of proportion. It is a lot of data generated by the algorithm, they both did their part and I'm guessing that neither wants all of reddit to debate which one deserves the most credit. Although media showcasing how strong and independent women can be by promoting her all over internet is annoying to no end.
[–]Leroyjankins89890 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Social engineering is scary
[–]noodledense0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, and knowing nothing but those headlines... Developing an algorithm and writing the code aren't the same thing
[–]FleshPanda0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I Fuckin knew it. As soon as I saw that post I was like there is some guy that did most of the work. And here we are.
[–]maksdaddy090 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u/ikojan care to explain this bias?
ITT: Nobody understanding how Git Hub works
[–]absharcrazy0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lines of code is not a metric in programming. Most of the code is modals. So refrain from saying dumb stuffs
[–]Cuw0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
DAE not understand how git works?
[–]BhishmPitamah0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes i thank myself and this community to bring me real news.
Thanks guys
[–]maximum_mgtow0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Typical female MO. Wait for men to do all of the work, and then take all of the credit with no shame or compunction whatsoever. Disgusting.......
[–]Flimsy_Classic0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Typical fake news. No surprise at all.
Typical idiots in this thread not understanding GitHub, programming, or the fact that lines of code mean absolutely nothing in a software project. Ah well, anything that works to justify their incel behavior, amirite?
[–]Owletic0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I still stand by my statement of her smile can cure cancer. Its adorable
[–]anannyap0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guys, calm your tits. He has tweeted against such posts.
[–]massy5251 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've understood this from the beginning but it doesn't really change things. Most people don't have the time or even a good reason to understand how github and LOC works. The narrative is still the same the agenda is still the same. Team of 90%+ men yet "Yeah! girl power this girl did it all women are wonderful"
Also that guy is a total SIMP
Andrew Chael >@thisgreyspirit (...)There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)
Prostrating himself for the "Girl Power" narrative. She is a hero i'm just a scrub digging the ditch. I hate to dig out the "Idiocracy" prosecution but "just look at him"
idk if this is true, but shit like this pisses me off so much.
[–]anonymous_troll0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, MIT does try to take all of the credit most of the time. I can't count how many times I've seen MIT undergraduates "invent" something that already existed and it spread like wildfire.
[–]Steampunkery0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is false. They wrote equally. 750,000 of the lines he committed were data files.
[–]juniperworks0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, let's see what he has to say about it: https://mobile.twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518544961830918
[–]careofKnives0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I knew that story was bullshit. First of all it’s a woman and this is science, and second of all Reddit was celebrating her “accomplishment” just a little too much.
[–]ElectricalSandwich40 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Out like a light.
[–]lightspeedwatergun0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
850,000 lines of code could’ve just been used to create the “skeleton” of the algorithm (aka functions etc) and the scientist on the left built upon that to create the famous black hole picture! He may have created the tools but she’s the person to have used them. Everybody helped out! Some arguably moreso than others but don’t attribute effort to magnitude. (Haven’t seen that guy on the right but props to him, that’s a lot of typing and damn would my fingers hurt.)
[–]Porzingod04300 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice try for taking it out of context, he had a whole twitter thread disproving you cucks. Get over yourselves for once.
[–]taeyongssidehoe0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well if iy was true, but it's not. He said it himself. And also as openly gay person he is not represented well on the media. So yeah sharing fake facts. Good job
[–]LegalFees0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Andrew put out a statement about this, the info that was circulated (850k of 900k lines) is completely fabricated.
[–]eddoesreddit0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, the picture of the woman is from the moment that the first black hole was photographed, the other is just a pic of the dude
[–]artboiz0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This simply wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/12/trolls-hijacked-scientists-image-attack-katie-bouman-they-picked-wrong-astrophysicist/
[–]DougieArtStudio0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean...Andrew did say the number was a lie, and even then, most of the code was pulled from Github Repositories, but even that, it's not like actually writing the algorithm (which she did) is the hardest part...right?
Wait....this is MGTOW Subreddit? Oh shoot...uh...I mean...
Thot bad!! Honk Honk!! Yeah, fuck women for not fucking me!! Am I doing it right?
[–]MMA1793[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So she came up with a mathematical algorithm to detect the black hole, and he coded it; two completely different fields, but in the end without her math his coding is irrelevant.
[–]LTAden0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518544961830918?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2cBQAox7NOhj6PgIBXOSY4aVVBJri1ivLSxYBIO2joOnRNbywIymW2Xl4 I'll just.. leave this here
[–]Profit_for_life0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see it coming, this sub will eventually join the quarantined clan if it keeps allowing divisive content and comments like that.
[–]Lighthouseamour0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This was disproven in an interview with the man from this meme. The numbers are inflated and the woman on the left did most of the work.
[–]nofapchangemylife0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk..but...uhm, she is just fucking cute, and beautiful
[–]ShadowWave2090 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There were articles about this btw. The guy in the picture didn't do nearly as much work on this as Katie. It's someone on reddit trying to get upvotes by pretending that people are promoting a female instead of a male.
[–]ShadowWave2090 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html
[–]ofelka0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Except it’s not true
[–]R4fi740 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most of the code was computer generated. Katie wrote the algorithm. The man who "wrote" 850,000 lines of code has come out and said that her part in the project was bigger than his.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F
[–]i_hate_android_p0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post is misleading according to this article https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/local/verify/verify-should-the-black-hole-photo-have-been-credited-to-a-different-scientist/507-a75119eb-2dd5-4e26-bb10-3231dc3c1215 Both people said that it was group work
[–]Gneo0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Imagine being mad at a woman who wrote the motherboard of a script, and had a skiddie fill out the rest of the fluff.
[–]Prazlmadras0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did they not end up never even using her algorithm?..
[–]prithvirajDebbarman0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feel sorry for the dude! He deserves the credit and the praise for his hardwork.
[–]Isaacpastor0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/12/trolls-hijacked-scientists-image-attack-katie-bouman-they-picked-wrong-astrophysicist/%3FoutputType%3Damp
HONK HONK
[–]RodneyPonk0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://mobile.twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518544961830918
This subreddit is supporting outright fabrications to perpetuate their anti-women ideals.
[–]Penis-Envys[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was just one of the 200 or so members of the team who took the photo of the blackhole
[–]sodomy-psychoactives0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I did some digging and found this on his twitter: "(Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)"
edit: here's his entire response to these fake claims
[–]alearean010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
muh oppresion 😔 gamers rise up 🤡
[–]HumbleHawk0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
take this L lmao
[–]MementoMoriMD0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't the left Boxxy?...
[–]Bread_boy2320 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes he did write alot of code, but it all focused around a single algorithm that Katie made. She defiantly doesn't deserve to be the only one credited when the team was 40 people!
[–]jeremykujur0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But she's probably good with some code , right ?
[–]DiamondxCrafting0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Work done isn't measured by the lines of code "written" to github, in this case for example it's mostly automatically generated data. Not saying he doesn't deserve recognition nor that he didn't contribute much, but you're just doing the same thing they did, she shouldn't be now known as the lady who created the first image of a black hole, because it's blatantly wrong, it's a team of people and she's not special in that team.
[–]pablosito6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Uhhh but she is in today’s age because she was one of the few if not the only woman that was a part of this. Therefore the media has to cut out ALL the men and spread their propaganda of “girl power!” To the masses so us toxic males can learn our place and more waymehn can tee empowered to enter stem.
On a real note though I wonder if the media ran with this story ahead of her wishes or if she will come clean about being s small part of a large team Or if she actually is cool with the lies being spread in which case ... bad scientist squirts bottle
[–]Mac2901 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Was she the leader of the team or something? What is the truth? All I can find are stories that she was the one that did it. Edit: if I had only scrolled to the next few posts I would have seen. Sorry lads.
[–]pablosito5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
From what I hear she was a very small part that the media is focusing in on. Why am I being downvoted?
[–]Mac2900 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who knows with Reddit.
[–]DiamondxCrafting1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand why I'm being downvoted while the replies like you agree with me and are upvoted. Reddit fucking baffles me.
[–]Reversevagina3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
it's a team of people and she's not special in that team.
She's prolly doing a jack shit.
vs.
https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/katie-bouman
Which one do you think does the most?
[–]t938-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did you read your own fucking links!? The algorithms were hers.
[–]Reversevagina1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes I did, did you? This is the copypaste of her description, there's not even a fucking word about algorithms, lol:
"Katie Bouman is starting as an assistant professor in the Computing and Mathematical Sciences Department at the California Institute of Technology. She has been a postdoctoral fellow with the Event Horizon Telescope in the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. She received her Ph.D. in the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) at MIT in EECS. Before going to MIT, she received her bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Michigan. The focus of her research is on using emerging computational methods to push the boundaries of interdisciplinary imaging."
She is not special in that team but 17 times more special when it comes to public exposure.
[–]Jonlife-3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's good for women on Reddit is good for everyone
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