Suicide attempts by teen girls spiked during COVID-19 pandemic: CDC - The spike of successful suicides by teen boys unimportant

Metraxis · 2021-06-14T13:44:27+00:00

The picture is incomplete without the accompanying numbers for completed/"successful" suicides.

OctaviaPinfold · 2021-06-14T17:15:07+00:00

The study likely underrepresents the real number of suspected suicideattempts because Americans were hesitant to go to hospitals during thepandemic, in fear of contracting COVID-19,

So, we can safely assume that more boys, who generally get the "just grow some balls", or "man up", or "just get over it" treatment, didn't end up in the ER and especially not with a psychologist unless it was really serious. A suicide attempt can be a million things, many don't even involve the actual will to die and the physical harm itself is not serious. Especially because the CDC wrote "suspected", not even that all of it was a confirmed suicide attempt.

Add to that that healthcare is expensive as fuck in the US, and statistics like these don't reflect much. Not to mention suicide attempt != suicide, the fact that successful ones are not counted changes the picture a lot. Although they did write overall that decreased.

The family composition is also important factor here, with the families' marital status, financial status, general societal position, also views, political and religious alike, but that's missing as well. Some does get mentioned by the CDC as potential factors, but no details. Maybe in the references, but I'm not diving that deep.

Finally, the CDC's list of the 9 limitations really show how little these numbers actually show or even mean.

SamaelET · 2021-06-14T17:09:44+00:00

It is funny :

For domestic abuse : Women die more, so we should focus on them.

For suicide : Women attempt more, so wz should focus on them.

obligatoryclevername · 2021-06-14T17:45:25+00:00

80% of suicides are men. Nobody cares. They do care about the 20% of female suicides a great deal though, don't they.

Yes, your culture doesn't care if you live or die because it hates your for being born wrong. You're expected to happily be conscripted and have your guts blown out. You're expects to happily die so that women (the important people) can live. When you hate your life so much that you decide to end it, nobody cares. If anyone says anything about it, they attack you for being "selfish". You wasted your death by not spending it protecting a woman (an important person).

PaidHack · 2021-06-14T14:47:26+00:00

Anyone care about the males who were laid off and tried to kill themselves? This situation perfectly fits the meme about the drowning children and the skeleton at the bottom of the swimming pool.

MetroidJunkie · 2021-06-14T14:54:03+00:00

"Among the piles of male corpses, one female corpse was found. We've opted to focus our cameras on the one female corpse, please feel bad for her"

2021-06-14T13:16:56+00:00

Lord!

apx_rbo · 2021-06-14T15:30:11+00:00

It's funny cause they said the rise in percentages didn't mean more deaths. Men are all dying at a higher rate than women.

Note: the "it's funny" is sarcastic. Gotta put this here for some of y'all

2021-06-14T15:58:47+00:00

successful suicide.. that word just doesn't sound right

frustr8tion · 2021-06-14T23:34:32+00:00

So, how many boys killed themselves successfully compared to this year and last?

And how many girls?

"The spike of successful suicides" has been mentioned, but where is that coming from?

ThisIsTheEnd6 · 2021-06-14T11:41:26+00:00

"Among the adolescent girls aged 12-17 years, the average weekly visits to the emergency department for suspected suicide attempts from February 2021 to March 2021 was 50.6% higher than the same period the year before, according to the CDC analysis. Boys were far less likely to show suicidal tendencies during the same time period; the number of emergency department visits for suicide attempts rose by 3.7% for males."

When hospitalizations go up by 50 percent for one gender and 4 percent for the other, it makes sense to discuss it as a gendered problem. Obviously gender is a factor here for those numbers to be so different. No one is saying suicide by teen boys is unimportant.

Gendered issues should be discussed and getting offended because someone is talking specifically about girls in an article is no different than feminists getting offended that someone is talking about male issues.

urgentsonex1350 · 2021-06-14T12:53:03+00:00

To the op, I get it. The media always prioritises any negativity that affects females. For example an increase in suicide attempts. Whilst ignoring the vastly greater number of actual suicides by males.

Unfortunately, it appears that the men’s rights sub has been subverted by other groups that do not have men’s right at heart judging from some of the comments

2021-06-14T16:28:03+00:00

Yeah focusing on one gender only is just silly. Never understood that.

pride4eva93 · 2021-06-15T01:04:45+00:00

I know a lot of women who have been hospitalized for suicide attempts. They will take a couple pills and call 911, or cut themselves and call 911. This is the cry for help stage. Most men don't have a cry for help stage because we've been told no one cares about us for so long. Men commit nearly 80% of suicides, but no one discusses that as a men's issue, instead, all mental health wellness is discussed as in a feminine point of view, as in they discuss coping methods that help women, not men.

ElegantDecline · 2021-06-14T16:00:32+00:00

My 38 y/o friend from middle school offed himself a couple of weeks ago. He had some mild mental disorder issues, but managed to soldier through the pandemic. The end of it was too much for him. I don't know why. I think it's because he saw everyone else move on with their lives and his felt like it was over

ESGActivist · 2021-06-14T18:37:49+00:00

Love how they just talk about increases. Classic misdirection

Nergaal · 2021-06-15T00:31:32+00:00

when Trump warned about mental health he was a racist. now opioid overdoses are not even bunched up under suicides

Nergaal · 2021-06-15T00:43:24+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/iExdkxA.png

throw1954away · 2021-06-15T03:19:54+00:00

Not fully related to the Covid situation, but this suicide gap comes up all the time. Isn’t the discrepancy because girls usually use more unreliable methods?

That is even more concerning because there is nothing that can be done in these male attempts, whereas females can be stopped mid act and taken to hospital.

VicisSubsisto · 2021-06-14T18:05:39+00:00

The CDC noted that the increase in suicide attempts did not equate to more deaths. The suicide rate among young persons aged 15-24 from the third quarter of 2019 and the third quarter of 2020 "saw no significant change."

Where's the "spike of successful suicides by teen boys"?

Pearl4202 · 2021-06-14T20:18:48+00:00

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CrazedKnightCK · 2021-06-14T20:31:54+00:00

Girl suicide is a tragedy. Boy suicide is a statistic.

(Not from me I know, and I don't endorse the politics from that dude)

thatgirlanya · 2021-06-14T14:56:26+00:00

Regardless of the gender here, because we all know men commit suicide at a higher rate than women, there is a SERIOUS issue in this country with adolescent suicide and it has little to do with gender in my opinion. Suicide doesn’t care about your sex, race, status, etc. We should be addressing the root cause here and trying to solve the problem, and not battling out who has it worse. 10 year olds, no matter what the gender, should not even be thinking about suicide. There’s a serious societal problem if they are, which there is.

retropillow · 2021-06-14T21:27:52+00:00

bro literally the second paragraph mentions boys. The article is about the huge difference between last year and this year for girls, because it’s 50% more as opposed to 4%.

It does recognize boys, it’s just not what this specific article is about

lebonisang · 2021-06-14T16:55:34+00:00

This is sad

sonofsuperman1983 · 2021-06-14T14:04:18+00:00

So what if an article is published about female suicide. Get over it. There are plenty of article about male suicide. Try sharing them instead of moaning about this. It like when women’s studies student complain their isn’t enough women in STEM.

screamingolive · 2021-06-15T01:56:18+00:00

I think it’s just important because the girls have had a spike whilst boys have historically been higher. That doesn’t make it okay- they should have mentioned more of the boys, and raised more awareness around that. It was a study done by the cdc, I don’t think they meant any harm by that imo.

STYtoxic · 2021-06-15T00:36:32+00:00

Is this what weak society and poor parenting looks like?

"The study theorized that the stresses of the COVID-19 pandemic may have been toxic to the mental health of young people."

Is this really the future we will live in? im just out of words, this just looks like a joke,

name2electricbogalo · 2021-06-15T07:38:12+00:00

I don't see what's wrong with people talking about teen girls suicide rates, should boys killing themselves get more attention? Yes but girl's suicide attempt is worth talking about, this is the exact same mindset radical feminists are using whenever someone talks about a man being raped

Ok-Drink-6765 · 2021-06-15T20:21:28+00:00

cerebral_thunders · 2021-07-11T00:12:35+00:00

My husband has major depressive disorder and was taught to shove it down and not get help for so long. I have PTSD and bipolar 1 and I tried to get help but was neglected by my parents. Convincing him that he is suffering and needs help is like convincing my parents as a kid that I was in bad shape. It’s wrong for society to focus on only women, though I do hate some of these comments feeling women are lesser for not completing suicides. Truthfully I’ve never had access to a gun and when I developed self destructive tendencies my house got baby proofed of sharp things as a teen. I had an addiction to self harm of any form I could get my hands on. I’d cut or scratch my arms raw and choke myself before I started losing consciousness and felt too weak to continue, I’d starve myself and throw up all my food, I’d overdose on any medicine I could get my hands on. I liked and still like self destruction, I can’t quite explain it. All those times weren’t suicide attempts or anything, and self harm needs to not be demonized for women if people are going to accept that men struggle with it too. I hid it until I felt it was a genuine addiction that was taking control of my life. Contributing to the “it’s a cry for help” thing makes anyone, men or women, less likely to want to reach out to you about their addiction because of the stigma. I have attempted three times, one caught before I could do anything, second tried to cut the artery in my elbow crease but the knife was too dull to go far enough so I had to give up and third was a months worth of medication and a shit ton of alcohol that almost worked. Recently learned that I’m capable of cutting to fascia with the right tools (I thought it was just me chickening or something) so I’m planning on the best way to get at the neck carotid. It’s infuriating for us too who don’t have the materials. Almost died in December but husband called an ambulance on me and I knew they’d drag me kicking and screaming if not. Almost went into a coma. Posts like these make me upset for men but then the comments make me feel just as angry about some saying that it’s lesser. We just moved to a bad neighborhood so we’re getting a gun and you can bet that it will be my method if not an extreme overdose again with a butt ton of alcohol, hanging, or cutting my carotid. Ultimately it’s about what’s least harmful for others to see. Your internal organs being fucked up is less painful for others than seeing the blood splatter from a neck slice or gun shot, or the stillness of the dead body in the air. That’s what I take into consideration most is how to be least traumatic to others. Maybe that’s why a lot of us women are less successful. Now I hate it when teenagers use self harm as a means to negatively get attention but that doesn’t make their SH any less valid either. It’s the people faking and exaggerating and by proxy minimizing the struggles others have that is the issue. The people who we should be mad at are the fathers, grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers, who implemented the idea that men had to be hard and not feel emotion. The fact that I see an uproar about it is hopeful. Maybe these next generations will set things straight and help destigmatize men’s mental illness. My great grandfather committed suicide and my uncle died because of his alcoholism and depression around it. Had a few distant male cousins commit. Suicide and mental illness is heavy in my family and we don’t deny it. My parents just were dumb despite my mom having a bipolar brother and nephew. I understand not being recognized and getting shit on every time you asked for help until you learned to become a shell of a person. I couldn’t express emotions for years and I still struggle to not smile and laugh while talking about suicide plans or getting stitches because I want to assure others that it’s not a big deal. If they think I think it’s a big deal and they see me vulnerable then crush me, that’s worse than never expressing anything at all. It took four years of therapy for me to be able to communicate emotions. My brother was the opposite in the family and had the more typical stereotype “female mentally ill” issue of trying to get attention for a small issue and then minimizing everyone by proxy. My parents listened to him and coddled him. I was around plenty of dumb bitches in high school who did shit for attention but weren’t mentally ill. I know how infuriating it is. It’s been my life. Please extend some grace to your sisters who are suffering. Some of you are stigmatizing us as being attention seeking whores who don’t have real problems and who don’t try hard enough to die the same way people are stigmatizing your mental health as a male and not encouraging you to be open/disregarding your suicidal thoughts or attempts. It’s a cycle of hatred.

Legitimate-Ad-6267 · 2021-06-14T14:46:54+00:00

Mentioning the issues of one gender isn't devaluing the issues of another. I'd assume that someone on this subreddit of all places would understand that.

Edit: An article from England and Wales, strictly male suicides. Just because it doesn't bring up women doesn't make it misogynist, and I'm sure everyone can agree.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19

In case you're wondering why I said "this subreddit of all places", its because the argument that bringing up mens rights doesn't devalue women's rights is not only true, but remains true conversely. Its hypocritical to say otherwise.

dla26 · 2021-06-14T15:10:39+00:00

It's literally in the article, dumbass.

Boys were far less likely to show suicidal tendencies during the same time period

Olliebkl · 2021-06-14T14:31:39+00:00

If anything, I’d say male suicide is talked about far more often so if we see a spike in female suicide rates, why not talk about it?

notexistingbestthing · 2021-06-14T20:46:45+00:00

Why is suicide an issue? I mean that for both occasions.

Title	Suicide attempts by teen girls spiked during COVID-19 pandemic: CDC - The spike of successful suicides by teen boys unimportant
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Date	June 14, 2021 11:30 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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