Alabama bill would criminalize false rape accusations...Good on you, Alabama!

xdzgor · 2020-04-23T14:39:18+00:00

TBH I thought false allegations of anything was an offence.

Count_Dyscalculia · 2020-04-23T15:41:06+00:00

How the hell was this NOT a crime already?

ProbablyInadvisable · 2020-04-23T15:32:24+00:00

I totally thought Alabama Bill was the equivalent of Florida Man for a second... A disturbing equivalent...

DanteLivra · 2020-04-23T16:56:34+00:00

How many feminists will go on hyteria overdrive because of this ?

Finally the world is beginning to be safer for men

dbgb1986 · 2020-04-23T22:48:22+00:00

I'm amazed this isn't already a law!

It should be a federal crime to falsely accuse any person of any type of sexual crime.

Considering the LIFE-LONG stigma attached to accusations, a person who is found guilty of a false allegation of a sex crime should get a mandatory minimum of 10 years in prison, with ZERO time off for good behavior. I don't care if the accusation in question has to do with a misdemeanor or felony or both.

Even if a man is found not guilty at trial, there will still be people who say, "He got off on a technicality" or "He raped her, but the prosecutor didn't do a good enough job" or "He got lucky with the jury" or "He just had a great lawyer, so he got away with it"!

In other words, even if the man was a thousand miles away from the false accuser during the alleged incident, and even if there was zero contact between them ever, their entire lives, and even if no digital or electronic or email or video or Internet was used at all, and even if the accuser is proven to be lying, and even if a jury unanimously says "THIS GUY IS 100% INNOCENT!", the public still thinks of the man as a rapist. Practically speaking, ALL someone has to do is accuse a man of rape, and boom, automatically, half the world thinks that man is a rapist.

Because of that, I also believe that a man falsely accused of rape should receive some type of compensation that takes into account his previous jobs (if applicable), pain and suffering, mental anguish, a divorce that resulted from the accusation (if applicable), loss of the ability to find a new wife or girlfriend or husband or boyfriend (if applicable), and any other damages resulting from the false accusation.

Finally, a false accuser should be legally required to REGISTER as a false accuser -- FOR THE REST OF HIS/HER LIFE. PERIOD. And all people on the false accuser registry should be barred from living or working within 100 yards of any school, any daycare, any park, any theater.

CristiVasile2000 · 2020-04-23T18:52:29+00:00

Alabama also had finished one round of Alimony Reform that reduced the duration, size and purpose of alimony.

Now the default alimony is considered to be "rehabilitative alimony" that cannot exceed 5 year maximum and it is payed so that the spouse gets some training and gets back to workforce asap.

Also they added provisions for changes in alimony in case of health problems for the payer or changes on his/her employment or income status.

So yes, apparently they are going in the right direction, let's hope they keep going.

ringrawer · 2020-04-23T18:20:07+00:00

Funny how Kavanaugh's accusers vanished off the face of the planet.

WorriedSysAdmin · 2020-04-23T16:15:56+00:00

A lot keep asking how this is not a crime, it is usually only a crime if the person is actually charged. Well usually the guy/girl's wife is already destroyed by that point.

I guess I can see how some people think this will increase unreported rape/sexual assault. But I don't think the underreporting of sexual assault is due to possible legal ramifications on themselves, they are usually under control by the party that assaulted them. I think the positives of this (stopping/discouraging false accusations) is much higher.

Goatanius · 2020-04-23T17:16:05+00:00

If the feminists say rape should be death penalty, then false rape accusations should be life in prison

Koalachan · 2020-04-23T22:07:08+00:00

Certain groups keep saying that false allegations are a myth, or that they are extremely rare. For lawmakers to be trying to make this a law, it must be happening enough to be a problem.

RyansPutter · 2020-04-24T03:05:53+00:00

This article is from a year ago. What happened?

Ragnrok · 2020-04-23T17:09:49+00:00

False rape accusations are already prosecutable everywhere in America. The issue isn't making laws against it, the issue is actually prosecuting the perpetrators.

imcream · 2020-04-23T18:17:27+00:00

wait isn't that already criminal everywhere?

FindingKeeping · 2020-04-23T18:55:09+00:00

A year old news whats the status Dickie Drake?

jeff_the_nurse · 2020-04-24T17:23:42+00:00

I e-mailed all of the reps asking them to support the bill and why they should. Here’s one response:

Good Morning,

I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you for the email. Unfortunately, the 2020 legislative session has been cut short due to COVID 19. We will be going in on May 4th and only taking up the budgets and local bills. Constitutionally, our session must end by May 18th. These may be some issues that we can address in the 2021 session.

Thanks again and I look forward to your correspondence in the future.

If anything, we monitor this next year. Do not forget, my fellow MRAs.

marks1995 · 2020-04-23T18:17:30+00:00

I understand the support from men on this. Believe, this is one of my biggest efars as my son is about to start college.

But these are tough. I have a daughter too and I would never want her to be afraid to come forward about being raped.

The other problem I have is that many women lately have been recanting after more and more comes out. If recanting is going to get them charged, I think they take their lie to the grave.

This is a really tough issue.

ZCommander9088 · 2020-04-23T21:49:13+00:00

Good step one. Step two is to give the same jail time as actual rape bc it is just as damaging if not more just in different ways.

kingjohn1919 · 2020-04-23T23:08:01+00:00

In Ontario, Canada, people are actually encouraged to make whatever allegations, an NOTHING is done for false, or worse, repeated false allegations...they will not punish anyone who reports to police...there is law against it, but never enforced

SporkTornado · 2020-04-24T02:35:58+00:00

Aren't false accusations already considered a form of perjury?

McFeely_Smackup · 2020-04-23T18:53:28+00:00

If the accused is found not guilty, the accuser would be responsible for paying the accused person’s legal expenses.

that's not even close to true, and sets the tone for an obviously biased article. Subtly "misunderstanding" a law and writing an article about how outrageous it is, is the very definition of bad journalism.

Schiller_Memestar · 2020-04-23T17:55:14+00:00

Let's hope the rest of America follows

asdf333aza · 2020-04-23T17:58:17+00:00

Should of been that way from the start. Give them thr same punishment the man was looking at. We need a judge to make an example out of one of these liars.

mr-logician · 2020-04-23T18:07:56+00:00

Excerpt from the article

It’s an effort to silence men and women who are coming forward about sexual assault. It’s an effort to make them afraid to come forward.

It’s good that even the people against this bill know that both genders can be victims.

BurningOrangeHeaven · 2020-04-23T20:33:08+00:00

I doubt there are many cases where it will be proven and this kind of law is just going to make the women change tactics and be more careful with how they frame some of these guys.

Also going to be the inevitable case where a girl really did get raped but then gets taken to court like this.

Idk how to make it better.

DoctorMoneyStacks · 2020-04-23T18:05:14+00:00

If you read the article they mention that not bieng convicted will mean the accuser will pay your legal fees. This would be a bad law, because sex crimes are notoriously hard to convict, but that does not mean the accuser is lying, yet with this bill that would be the new assumption, thus penalizing real victims. This is not the solution we need to the current issue. We need a solution with nuance.

147896325987456321 · 2020-04-23T19:44:28+00:00

I feel this bill would need to specificlly state what is a false allegation. if it could be proven a false allegation then yes criminalize it. However i feel like Alabama would simply label all alegations as false claims discouraging any women from speaking up. i need to see the bill.

TheMasterSword60 · 2020-04-23T20:18:26+00:00

“It’s not solving a new problem,” Connolly said. “It is a problem if someone makes a false report, and that’s rare.

Hah, rare my ass!

SharedRegime · 2020-04-23T19:57:55+00:00

Filing false police reports is illegal in the US atleast yes the issue is it has to be proven to be false and the vast majority of cases of rape are just ended right at "no evidence" instead of "no evidence but this person might be lying so investigate them."

If this law does not in turn make a law that requires LE to investigate no evidence cases for falsehood then its pointless.

SweatySpecialist · 2020-04-23T17:55:50+00:00

I’d say the odds of this passing are not very high. Cue the women’s rights and domestic violence groups that will trample every politician in support of this bill.

therealnumberone · 2020-04-23T18:33:57+00:00

This is good but it needs to be worded carefully so that it only punishes those whose allegations are proven false, not those that are not proven true. There’s a big difference and the latter is very bad.

DTopping80 · 2020-04-23T18:36:33+00:00

Damn domestic crimes about to see a spike!

FancyRough · 2020-04-23T19:37:54+00:00

Only if bill would pass.

Chowmeen_Boi · 2020-04-23T21:23:22+00:00

I kinda want to go into politics when I'm older to pass laws like this but choosing a political party is a real pain in the ass

banana_bazooka · 2020-04-23T23:23:28+00:00

It’s a shame that they aren’t already a crime when they are so relevant and often

ChaosOpen · 2020-04-24T00:12:39+00:00

It's not "under-reported" they just expect those evil men to be raping a lot more and when the numbers aren't there they assume they simply aren't being reported.

callmeDannyDanielz · 2020-04-24T00:27:42+00:00

FUCK YEAHHHHHHHH

DiscipleOfTheMist · 2020-04-24T10:59:06+00:00

Feminist, they are on to you! 🤣

2020-04-24T11:30:15+00:00

Alabama being ahead of the curve for once? I guess this timeline has something going for it.

Edit:

After reading through the whole article again

If the accused is found not guilty, the accuser would be responsible for paying the accused person’s legal expenses.

I think we'd need to be careful here and differentiate the difference between someone accusing someone of rape and the accused being found not guilty and someone clearly making a false rape allegation. There is a clear difference and should be noted in the law to reflect this.

IAmTotallyAJohnSmith · 2020-04-24T14:31:23+00:00

I literally had one person message me to lick a "Manhattan doorknob" and another say I am cucked because I post in r/MensRights lmao

AkashUK · 2020-04-24T19:28:34+00:00

Maybe Alabama isn't such a bad state after all.

MeinChutiya69 · 2020-04-27T12:00:32+00:00

You go, Alabama

Kadmos1 · 2020-04-29T17:54:46+00:00

I am of the mind that any false claim, but especially false rape claims, should carry an absolute min. prison sentence of 3.5 years. By this, I mean that the lying claimant is to serve no less than that long (they serve the entire sentence unless they die in prison).

gaymergaylord · 2020-04-30T19:43:08+00:00

idk I feel like this a bit risky. it's definately good but the fact it's happening in alabama worries me. u can't just ignore all the ACTUAL cases of rape against both genders that ppl. this sub mentions men being raped and nothing happening... what happens to those real victims if they lose in court?

THE_U_P_ · 2020-05-07T23:55:12+00:00

Proving that a sexual crime took place is difficult. Per this difficulty, we're curious as to how the state will prove that an allegation is false.

WhyNotDanceWithAHen · 2020-05-08T20:40:59+00:00

I’m from Alabama and I’m glad Alabama is committing a change for sure, can’t wait.

LimitlessMind127 · 2020-06-28T15:02:03+00:00

Has this gone through?

LifeAboutNothing · 2020-04-23T16:31:52+00:00

How many years could someone get for this crime. Is what I want to know.

derpatron13 · 2020-04-23T17:02:39+00:00

SWEET HOME ALABAMA

lProtheanl · 2020-04-23T17:49:25+00:00

Wait it’s not already?? Is this reall??

academicRedditor · 2020-04-23T19:10:27+00:00

About time

novdelta307 · 2020-04-23T19:28:05+00:00

Holy shit Alabama doing something right in their legal system?

darthmemeios14 · 2020-04-23T20:33:10+00:00

Perhaps I treated you too harshly

chambertlo · 2020-04-23T21:07:11+00:00

This should be a federal crime.

Creekmour · 2020-04-23T21:23:09+00:00

Now we can have a #BelieveMen campaign.

FauzanZaenuri · 2020-04-24T08:08:43+00:00

Sweet home alabama

EffectivePineapple2 · 2020-04-23T17:38:24+00:00

My only problem is that someone should have to prove they intentionally lied. This bill seems too generic.

happymeal2 · 2020-04-23T21:37:16+00:00

I’m for this, but my only hope is we don’t see people trying to get everyone whose original rape case didn’t bring a guilty verdict then charged with false rape charges. I’m sure they get screened before they end up in a courtroom like any other case but I’d hate to see a woman who did have it happen to her but couldn’t prove it, then thrown into this situation.

Also I’m a guy who’s had someone falsely accuse me of DV so I’m not some white knight by any means.

Mcstalker01 · 2020-04-24T01:03:46+00:00

Ok I have one problem with these kind of laws. How do they prove it was false. This is the whole entire problem with all these allegations, a lot of times they can’t be proven false, just as they can’t be proven true. Thats what makes them so terrible.

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2020-04-24T01:10:40+00:00

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not this is beneficial to men. If I was in jail on a false rape allegation, I'd rather my accuser not have any reasons not to tell the truth. If her coming out means she might face charges, then she's less likely to do it, and I'm less likely to be cleared.

I completely understand that punishment is deserved, but so many men are cleared of false accusations by their accusers coming forward. I'd hate to see more falsely accused men having to serve their full sentences just because we had to get a justice boner on.

Bisexual-Bop-It · 2020-04-24T07:48:44+00:00

Genuine question here: What happens if you were raped, you make an accusation, go to court, and the rapist has an amazing lawyer and you have almost no evidence (cause the only real, solid evidence is a rape kit or video evidence)

Do you go to jail for losing a court case OR does this only apply to cases that have an admission of guilt/clear evidence?

As much as this is a step in the right direction, actual victims of sexual assault or rape shouldnt be afraid to report the crime. I know if I was a victim I wouldnt report it because if the courts fail me then I'm looking at prison time, which would be more damaging than just not telling anyone about it ever. Sometimes the squeeze ain't worth the juice.

viper12a1a · 2020-04-23T20:44:06+00:00

The main problem i can see with this is if for whatever reason the accuser isn't able to conclusively prove something happened, even if it actually did. I think for this particular law to apply it should be able to be shown that it was a malicious accusation. If so, then i'm ok with it.

orbitaldecayed · 2020-04-23T16:53:43+00:00

Alabama is a third world 'shithole country'. Its incompetent and racist rulers should be made an extremely violent example of. I spent some time there and I've lived in very poor countries in the Middle East. Alabama makes rural Egypt look like London's West End. I feel sorry for anyone who has to live under those conditions. They should send in the US army. Alabama needs liberating. Ive never seen a worse place for children to grow up apart from Gaza.

Rex9 · 2020-04-23T17:29:32+00:00

Even in Alabama it would be political suicide to pass this bill. It's just a few legislators looking like they're doing something. It'll never pass.

Alabama bill would criminalize false rape accusations...Good on you, Alabama!

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