Sexism in a nutshell.

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It's really disappointing how people here just want to silence you, but here's where I think you went wrong:

people think it's more appropriate to harass or objectify men than it is to harass women. i was politely disagreeing.

You posted links to several sites that harass and objectify women. I assume that your intent by posting those sites was to show that society objectifies women more than men. Thus, since society objectifies women more, people must think it's more appropriate to objectify women than to objectify men. While it is true that women are objectified more, there is also a large cultural sentiment that such objectification is wrong. The same can't be said for men.

The original argument is that, culturally and journalistic-ly, harassing and objectifying women is something that sparks public outrage, but harassing and objectifying men is ignored or perpetuated: i.e. the original picture in this post.

As far as I can tell, you went off the topic from the original idea.

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I like this sub often, but sometimes I think users get carried away.

True, happens absolutely everywhere on reddit, but true....

It is a shame that people downvote for disagreeing rather than encouraging a healthy discussion. This cannot be disputed.

This also happens everywhere and is not peculiar to this sub at all. Also, there are plenty of people that do respond as well so there is healthy discussion...

Edit: Perhaps my comparison to feminists was unsavory

Yes it was

seeing as there is bad blood between the two groups

This is only part of the reason. The other reason is that it is completely erroneous. We have discussions, they do not. They actually censor people

however I stand by my statement.

Then you are wrong. For the reasons I already gave in my response above. Please refer to that

Edit: I accidently replied to the wrong message above. Pls ignore

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I barely heard of her before i saw her colbert interview. It took me all of 2 minutes to hate her guts

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Don't forget her methods for making her Tropes vs Women series. At least for the videos focusing more on a specific character, she would basically first look for characters that would make a "great" video for her target audience, and pretty much focus entirely on the negative tropes for that particular character (often oversexualization). Or she would just rip video from somewhere else instead of playing the game herself (Hitman comes to mind), then provide her commentary on the video despite not having played the game (as an example, she said that Hitman would reward the players for killing the prostitutes in one level, despite your score actually going down for doing so).

What would have been imo a better way of doing the videos would be to pick a character/game, then analyze what is good and what could be better.

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This comparison might not hold up under scrutiny. Right in the abstract of the lower article, it says "while there's absolutely nothing wrong with beauty and sex appeal ...". The upper article has it's own problems, insofar and crossing boundaries of personal space and consent and harassment. Indeed, Sarkeesian would be infuriated with top article.

One is sexualizing an object by giving it human attributes. They are female, and the argument is (likely) that it supports the gender role that femininity is equivalent to sex appeal. That could be countered, however, since it take two to do the proverbial tango, or, as Elanor Roosevelt said, "No on can make you feel inferior without your consent." That is: to be upset about seeing the green lady M&M as female-default-sexualization, you would need to host exactly the value system that such an argument would decry. It's ill-posed, basically.

These two things are not flawed in the same way, other than that both would go under the "gender issues" heading.

Also, for the love of god, if you made this image, please remake it with less compression.

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How is it a double standard?

One side is being objectified and the article is linking to an Instagram account.

The other side wants to have sexual desire to be divorced from their value as a person.

It's the same thing as posting "check out all these white guys eating watermelon" and "check out all these black guys eating watermelon." One is okay in social context, the other isn't because it perpetuates a negative, harmful stereotype that is rooted in a history of systemic oppression. If there were no racist stereotype, both would be fine, but there is one so you have to play it how it is.

Constant sexualization of women is unacceptable in their minds because the current zeitgeist in the media basically states that women are only valuable for being attractive. Women have been seen historically only as child rearers and pretty wives to show off. If the media started to put as much focus on their other traits other than physical attractiveness, then I guarantee you they wouldn't care about being sexualized anymore. Just like you don't care about this article that sexualizes men, because there are 99 others that focus on their achievements and ideas rather than a genetic lottery.

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They are, but the problem is that they complain when people take pictures of women and 'objectify' them.

"Sexy daddies beware. You will be found. You will be photographed. You might be filtered. You are not safe from the gaze of one stealthy, genius photographer"

Do you imagine the tone of the article would be as positive and well-received if you simply switched genders?

"Sexy mommies beware. You will be found. You will be photographed. You might be filtered. You are not safe from the gaze of one stealthy, genius photographer"

In an equal world, that's how it'd be written. But that's not how it would actually go down in our world. In our world, it would read something like this:

"Mothers beware. You will be found. You will be photographed. And your identity will most likely be revealed. You are not safe from the gaze of one, out of many, creepy camera-wielding perverts."

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Oh good, I can playfully tell the women I work with I want to fuck them and I won't have to worry about anyone taking me seriously and calling HR. It's just playful!

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Title	Sexism in a nutshell.
Author	3happy5u
Upvotes	3541
Comments	178
Date	August 4, 2015 2:53 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3fp9i3/sexism_in_a_nutshell/
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