X-post from /r/AnythingGoesPics on gender equality

lokidemon731 · 2013-09-28T21:09:47+00:00

Female here, story from some summer military training:

We were all crowding into a small room in order for some classroom instruction. The make up of our company was about 85% male, 15% female (so, pretty much representational of the military's gender make up as a whole). We all file into the room in no particular order. Almost all of the chairs are taken up, as me and my immediate squad mates are closer to the end of the line. One of my squad mates, a female, pipes up sarcastically, "I love how all the men just seat themselves immediately leaving no space for the women..."

Obviously, I said something, it was ~"well, the company is about 85% male, so it would make sense that in a random order, the seats would fill up with mostly men first." I saw the wheels turning, she agreed, and life went on.

Anyway, point is, we can calmly and logically combat these silly ideas about female and male specialty in every day life. Many of the men would treat us (the females) specially--they wouldn't let us be road guard, even when they explicitly asked for a volunteer and we would offer ourselves, saying "no, no I feel like it would just be wrong and ungentlemanly to allow you to do it..." when in reality, he's barring me from doing something that I 1. should be held accountable to do 2. actually want to do and 3. should be able to do as well as any male, therefore I should have the practice... Which, of course, I said to him "I'm here for the same reason you are. I should be doing the same things as you."

He completely ignored me. And acted like a giant ass for the rest of the ruck march back.

Guys, there are other guys who don't want to hold women accountable for equality, even when women want to be treated equally. Sometimes it's not enough for us to speak up for ourselves because these men have, for some reason, the feeling that women don't hold an equal opinion or value to a man. We need you guys to speak up too; "Hey, she's here for the same exact training as you. Why won't you allow her to be your team mate?" Etc.

Obviously, applicable in other settings as well.

mynameishutch · 2013-09-28T14:28:19+00:00

Yeah i dealt with exactly this last night. I went to meet up with a friend and some of her friends. One of her (albeit intoxicated) friends ask what i do and when learning that i work in schools asked me how they let me in and if i had a badge. Barely less than insinuating that she thought i looked like a pedophile because i have a beard. I called her on it especially when she admitted that she would have no reservations about any woman coming into a school with our without a badge, solely because they are women and women aren't child molesters. Her having had a couple of drinks only compounded my frustration when i called her a sexist and she cheerily owned up to it. I'm still kind of mad about that.

irregodless · 2013-09-28T16:13:31+00:00

Huh. It's almost as if women are people.

rljkeimig · 2013-09-28T12:40:04+00:00

One caveat men and women are NOT the same.. We're Mostly the same. There are huge disparities on how men and womens minds develop. It's not a blank slate fully dependent on socialization for how we behave. Otherwise I agree with the message with the exception that we are not the same absolutely.

zombieking45 · 2013-09-28T11:33:32+00:00

hey man, ain't nothing wrong with being a bit of a pervert...

Dirty-Monk · 2013-09-28T11:53:34+00:00

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2013-09-28T12:32:29+00:00

True equality is a two way street.

stoic9 · 2013-09-28T18:15:14+00:00

Sounds a lot like second wave feminism.

2013-09-28T20:49:18+00:00

B-but men act more violent and rape more than women!!!!11!

/s

(Dead serious, I linked this to a Feminist on my Facebook and she said a longer version of the above)

Stackman32 · 2013-09-28T14:23:47+00:00

Men and women are different. The only problem is the good things about men are considered "privilege" and the bad things about women are never their own fault.

joedude · 2013-09-29T09:09:44+00:00

this type of banal 14 year old insight is what constitutes top level content here.

None of this is news to anyone with a fucking brain a pinch of self respect.

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shezabel · 2013-09-28T12:18:37+00:00

If anyone thinks women are naturally 'sweet' they clearly haven't met any.

tling · 2013-09-28T17:34:55+00:00

A happy partner really does make for a happier life, though it doesn't guarantee happiness, of course. I'm not sure why this would be singled out as wrong.

rapey_raperson · 2013-09-29T03:38:55+00:00

My close women friends all believe in gender equality; most of them will laugh (or curse) if you bring up feminism. They all believe in gender equality and are just as passionate and supportive of men as of women when it comes to unfair treatment.

2013-09-29T07:48:20+00:00

I have a friend who used to be married to someone that regularly beat the shit out of him. So that happy wife = happy life thing? Yeah, no.

iluuuuuvbakon · 2013-09-29T11:20:36+00:00

I wonder how that pic would go over on Facebook.

antdude · 2013-10-03T14:34:59+00:00

Ditto. Humans suck. Ants are better! :P

POLITE_ALL_CATS_GUY · 2013-09-28T18:09:06+00:00

I had a few women come into my work the other day making jokes I'd be appalled to hear out of my guy friends at a night with drinking( probably because one was about getting knocked up) what ever. They where very gross. Please don't speak like you're talking dirty on a ham radio at a pharmacy.

Prtyvacant · 2013-09-28T13:34:03+00:00

The OP originally posted it here, so not really an x-post. Still, makes a great point about gender imaging in society.

Mysmonstret · 2013-09-28T11:44:59+00:00

This is pretty stupid. As if you needed a meme to know many women arent little angels.

Also women are not the same as men.

EDIT: Ha why is this being downvoted? I cant believe this picture is getting upvotes honestly. Its basically saying "hey dumbasses look! breaking news! women can be crappy sometimes too! its not like the disney movies!" And men and women ARE different. Just because we can both be stupid on occasion doesnt mean we're the same. I dont want to be in a relationship with a masculine woman.

2013-09-28T15:47:36+00:00

Someone should post this on morbid reality.

Suggest posting something positive for men and spreading influence of sphere. Better down vote this guy

EdgarAllenNope · 2013-09-28T17:31:52+00:00

Let's not bullshit around. Men and women aren't the same. Women are weaker. Men are more violent. Women are more emotional. Women have babies and periods. Women have menopause. Men and women are different, but if you want to deal with the issues, you're going to need to stop mixing lies in there. There are many more dead beat men than women too.

Bristal · 2013-09-28T19:14:26+00:00

Of course men and women are different. Male and female humans have had very different evolutionary pressures due to differing reproductive strategies. This resulted in different TENDENCIES regarding social strategies (for instance). Individuals, however, are (mostly) free to resist those tendencies. Which is what this conversation is about. Choosing to behave differently than your tendency is learned, and changes with social pressures.

Title	X-post from /r/AnythingGoesPics on gender equality
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Date	September 28, 2013 9:31 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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