Edit: I want to clarify, that Im not the author of the quoted material and i do not hold the belief that game doesnt work. I do believe that mentioned individuals are not efficient in their effort in getting laid and was wondering why is that way, and is it typical for pua community in general.
I was browsing exredpill sub and walked into this piece of information:
Where i'm from, the top pick up artists (the most well-known and respected guys there) revealed that their results in the past 2 years were 1174 approaches for 26 lays and 2229 for 23 lays, respectvely. These results are actually quite good: It's probably much more than many guys will ever get, even self-proclaimed players (although if getting laid like that has an actual impact in how happy you actually get to be is a whole different discussion), but the hit rates are also 2,2% and 1%.
Let's put it this way: If you were to buy a car, a luxurious fast car like a Ferrari or a Lexus, but with the "drawback" that the car would not start in 95-99% of the times, would you buy it? Would you say it was a good car? Would you even say that this car worked?
Because if when you approach a woman you have 95%-99% chance that you won't have sex with her then it's preety obvious to me that actually suceeding at seducing her has much more to do with chance rather than game skills or being alpha. Let's be very intelectually honest here, guys: A 95-99% chance of seducing someone is essentially the same hit rate that a guy whith zero game would have just by approaching random women on the street. Simply put, one could argue that the reason that PUAs or TRPers get liad when they do is a "byproduct" of approaching a lot of women rather than actual skill.
Now you could say "yeah, but those are just a couple of stats from some fools at your country". Well, as it turns out, even professional "gamers" have similar hit-rates. For example this guy reports his results here or here and it's about 3%-5% hit rate. Famous Pick Up Artist "Mystery" claimed to have had sexual contact with 52 women from 1992 to 1998, but he was also going out 4 times a week, approaching 3 women per hour on average. And don't forget that many of these guys actually travel arround famous seuxual tourism spots like Thailand or Eastern Europe, which will end up inflating their N count.
TL;DR: Famous and not-so-much pua's add about one notch a month.
And well, the results indeed seem underwhelming for the guys who treat getting laid like a part time job, especially considering that I know guys who can do the pua's in question yearly norm in a weekend without sobering up once.
So, why could it be? Are cold approaches ineffective or at least suboptimal? Maybe this guys are simply shorter then 6"4 and have a weak jaw? Is the author of this post misrepresenting the data? Maybe its the case of pua community highliting those with marketing skill and not seduction one, and we are seeinng the dowside of commercialisation of pua? Or these guys need to respect women more and take extra showers? Is putting effort in chasing women generally less productive then building your value?
And the important question: are puas just faggots who cant get laid for shit?
So, ppd, I want to hear your thoughts.
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