Is ignorance really bliss?

AsclepiustheSage · 2019-08-26T07:50:58+00:00

I can attest to that, the more I learn about women, the more I actively start to dislike them. I prefer to think of ignorance as a luxury - one only women and the most attractive of men can afford.

datingapppro · 2019-08-26T01:37:48+00:00

Are men who are bluepill happier than men who find the manosphere?

I don't think happy people find the manosphere. People who are content with a surface-level understanding of reality don't generally see reason to question it.

Still tastes like steak.

CainPrice · 2019-08-26T01:43:24+00:00

The Matrix analogy is a good one.

The Red Pill isn't for all men. In fact, it isn't for most men. Most men do okay as "blue pill" men.

Most average guys will have some girlfriends, some sex, and eventually end up married. They're not loser incels. They're not player Chads. They're average guys who do okay. Maybe they could have done better if they understood women or the game a little better, but they did okay anyway and were content with doing okay and never sought out more.

But not all men are happy. Men who are happy don't seek out The Red Pill. For some guys, it's like the Matrix. There's this splinter in their mind. They feel like something is wrong. They can smell when something is off about a woman and don't quite trust the face she's showing them. Everyone else thinks she's normal and great, but somehow he can tell that she's not quite 100% genuine. They get annoyed in their henpecked relationship instead of shrugging and saying "That's just how it is! Women, amirite?" They know something is wrong. The Red Pill puts words to that something. They read the material, and it just clicks. It fills in the blank spaces in their minds, and everything they read perfectly matches their observations, their experiences, and what they've been feeling. If some random blue pill guy were to read The Red Pill material, it would seem like silly nonsense to him.

My point is, a guy who seeks out and finds the manosphere already wasn't happy. He already knew something was wrong. Guys who are happy don't seek this stuff out. They remain ignorant on their own.

lefactorybebe · 2019-08-26T01:46:30+00:00

Sure seems like they're happier. I mean so much of engaging with trp is just marinating in hatred of others, whether they be women, beta cucks being a disgrace and ruining things for other men, or chads effortlessly getting what the rpers want. Incels are constantly surrounded by other people telling them it's hopeless and they're doomed to be miserable. Of course these guys are going to be miserable.

Most of these guys have a transactional view of all human relationships and believe in extremely negative theories about both genders. They're constantly looking for proof of their theories, so they're always on the lookout for negative things. They're always living in the headspace of all these negative beliefs.

Just looking at the bp guys here vs the red or black guys here....I've def noticed that the reds and blacks are generally more bitter and angry or more defeated and hopeless.

Edit: spelling whooooops

oneprettycoolcat · 2019-08-26T01:59:35+00:00

Nope. I was fucking miserable before. I'm fucking miserable after. But at least I won't let anyone take advantage of me anymore.

datingapppro · 2019-08-26T21:18:42+00:00

Possibly. Is a Christian happier than an atheist? Most likely. But if you’re strong you would want the truth

wtknight · 2019-08-26T03:15:35+00:00

Only people with emotional issues are unable to connect with women on an emotional level and only want to connect with them on a sexual level, or let one failed relationship make them think that all women are terrible people. Most men keep trying relationships until they find a partner who is compatible with them. It's not ignorance but wisdom to realize that women are vastly different and that for the most part you can't generalize them.

angels-fan · 2019-08-26T16:18:05+00:00

I see red pill truths all over the place now.

You might call it confirmation bias, and I'm as susceptible to that as anyone, but those truths DO exist!

Listening to my step daughter as she was growing up was living in TRP. She is the poster child AWALT. It was crazy!

blackedoutfast · 2019-08-26T20:32:42+00:00

But bluepill men seem quite content anyway

uhhh, you mean the BP beta dudes who are desperate to finally find their perfect soulmate girlfriend/wife that they supposed to eventually get after all these years of being a hard-working obedient beta?

the BP guys who think they're supposed to win over girls by being a chivalrous gentleman who is always there for her but never pushes for sex or even shows any sexual interest at all?

the BP guys who spend $200+ taking girls out to a fancy restaurant on a first date, trying to impress them but the girl just wants a free meal?

the BP guys who focus wayyyyy too much on whatever girl happens to show minimal interest in them, wayyy over invest their energy and feelings in this girl and catch oneitis at the exact same time that their neediness is weirding the girl out until she ghosts him?

... because those guys are not happy and content at all. they are confused and frustrated and depressed af.

OatsGYOW · 2019-08-26T01:31:28+00:00

Bluepill men are riding the raddest, most awesome slide in the world, straight down into a vat of quicksand.

If bluepill didn't have its upsides, it wouldn't have become standard. But in the end, they are opening themselves up for a world of hurt, potentially ruining their lives.

Men who choose to opt out seem miserable

I'll tell you I have been miserable all my life. Even when successful with women, I was miserable putting up with their shit just to get laid. It wasn't until I found MGTOW that I learned what happiness was. Those depressive periods during the winter, and those lonely periods during the summer? Vanished! Gone! I haven't felt bad in years, and I fucking love it.

skystar86 · 2019-08-26T03:24:56+00:00

Am I wrong to think that the reason for the high divorce rates and "divorce rape" as an epidemic is because women became woke on men? So when men become woke on women they will become bad partners too. Wokeness seems to create bad partners in general and creates a lack of loyalty. I think if one partner is woke that the relationship is hopeless and bound to be ruined. What do you think? If someone is "woke" run the other way.

pnadlerlaw · 2019-08-26T04:56:00+00:00

Ignorance is bliss.

“Μακάρι πτωχοί τον πνεύματιν” Jesus Christ

Transliteration: happy poor those intelligence

Translation: happy are those who are lacking in intelligence

But then again, he also said sum bullshit like:

“Πίστευε και μην έρευνα”

Transliteration: believe and not investigate

Translation: believe and do not question

sse23 · 2019-08-26T09:16:38+00:00

BP men finds TRP/MRA/MGTOW etc because they are not happy with their current situation. According to society they are doing everthing right, but they always end up in the friendzone or worse.

Then for a period they are really into RP as it gives answers and solutions. But after a while I think most settles in purple. And there lies happiness because you know the game, but you are not angry at women for being women.

theoracleofosiris · 2019-08-26T09:46:30+00:00

They are happy until they get raked over coals during divorce or false assault allegations.

TrueReligionGenes · 2019-08-26T16:08:59+00:00

I dont think true ignorance is a thing. I think all men subconsciously understand the truth, but BP'ers use psychological coping mechanisms to an even greater extent that shield them from facing the tough questions. In my opinion, the only two paths to genuine happiness are blackpill aware chad, or blackpill aware beta that doesnt run from the fact he is a beta and "accepts" his reality, since very little can be done to change your face/height/frame after puberty. Bp doesnt even acknowledge reality so they arent on the path to real happiness.

beyond98 · 2019-08-26T16:31:57+00:00

I think it depends on the person. If you are someone who wonders all the time the because of the things and a bluepiller, I think you wouldn't be happy.

I think the best thing you can do is to swallow the red pill and apply those knowledges to your life

Wallstreet3 · 2019-08-26T17:05:33+00:00

Bluepill men are not conent. They are living quiet lives of desperation. TRP and MGTOW ain't being quiet about it and trying to get away from the desperation and into self-actualization.

datingapppro · 2019-08-27T02:01:22+00:00

When I found the red pill there wasnt a MGTOW alternative and I am happy for it

The idea of just checking out or not pursuing women didnt even seem like an option

I am just glad that the TRP and MGTOW camps hate each other

TheJim66 · 2019-08-26T02:58:37+00:00

Yes and no.On one hand I don't think I will ever love as deeply as I did when I was bluepilled.There was something about the naivety ,self sacrifice and pedestalization that really seemed to make me feel content and really love the girl.

Since the Redpill my feelings seem more shallow.I still love my GF but maybe because I know what makes her love me back,it feels more shallow.And there is also that I can now get sex much much easier that It honestly wouldn't faze me at all if we broke up for some reason.

BUT overall it was much worse when I was blue pilled.Getting laid was something I only did in relationships ,which also came by harder than I'd like .After the Redpill women finally made sense ,I got laid much more frequently and with hotter women.Relationships became easy and there were no more random fights.Women also become and STAY attracted to me much easier.

Imo team Redpill wins.

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Will_Stephens · 2019-08-26T13:28:02+00:00

Are men who are bluepill happier than men who find the manosphere?

depends on your definition of happier.

The blue pill gives good amounts of happiness and a good (sometimes enormous) amount of distress.

The manospherian way can give sometimes bigger amounts of happiness and sometimes lower amounts, but generally I would say they are almost equal, however manospherian behavior give way way less distress.

It is up to you, who is happier?

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-08-27T15:34:59+00:00

nothing on manure sphere is harsh truth. stop generalizing.

Grek27 · 2019-08-27T20:14:53+00:00

No, why would knowing why you fail make you unhappy? Only through truth can you not make the same mistakes.

mistresswhat · 2019-08-26T03:08:39+00:00

For the record, I consider terpism to be 100% bullshit so I don't think it's a question of whether ignorance is bliss and more a question of whether subscribing to a supremely dumb, paranoid, misanthropic philosophy makes you unhappy. And I do think the answer to that is yes.

WOLFofwallstrYEET · 2019-08-26T01:23:14+00:00

The larger truth is that as humans we are all trash. The best you can do is let your biology do most of the talking with some knowledge to keep you out of the deepest waters.

webernicke · 2019-08-26T01:49:23+00:00

Red Pill men started out bluepilled. The difference between them and the blissfully ignorant quite content blue pilled men is that those men manage to get laid, which is the ultimate source of their contentment.

The thing is that there are a range of factors that can combine to completely lock you out of the dating market, especially if you're a man. Those men are going to have to carefully comb through thier social understanding in order to find and eliminate those factors in order to date at all. The "happy" blue pilled folk don't have enough of a concentration of bad factors such that unrealistic blue platitudes ultimately stop them. Most of those guys kinda stumble ass backwards into it. Potential RP guys simply can't afford to approach it like that. In other words, Red potential guys can never be content, because unless they learn this shit cold they just won't get laid.

It's like the difference between a program that won't compile and a program that is simply coded badly. The one that won't compile could be otherwise written perfectly save for one stray typo. If you're trying to find the problem, you're going to have to comb the entire program to find that one stray period or whatever making sure the code is flawless the whole time.

On the other hand, the poorly written program might be throwing up errors, or hogging memory and leaking all the time, but it runs. Sure it could be optimized, but it's still better off than the 99.9% pristine code that won't compile.

reluctantly_red · 2019-08-26T02:39:54+00:00

I was blissfully happy and totally unaware of what was about to happen. TRP explained what happened and helped me understand my roll in my own demise. Ignorance is bliss until it isn't.

fevertree · 2019-08-26T10:02:31+00:00

I've never had sex with someone on the first night. Some women will do that...some women won't.

What is the problem with waiting to have sex?

_derekhawkins · 2019-08-26T15:36:29+00:00

Women and sex have nothing to do with my happiness anyway, since i wasn’t one who struggled to get girls. I come from literal poverty, that is the source of my sadness

diffdedbed · 2019-08-26T18:01:00+00:00

Trp/Mra or Mgtow/blackpill

There are boatloads of ignorance in all of the above.

Its doing what all "movements" do as normal people back off and the extremists take over because they are motivated and literally have nothing better to do. Social justice didn't start with insane SWJ's but thats who took over in time, now the manosphere is experiencing the same sort of thing.

Most of the manosphere is very unhealthy mentally, for someone who's got a good brain you can glean some useful information still, on attraction and dealing with some women, but for the depressed guy who just got dumped and isn't the brightest, its a pit.

Title	Is ignorance really bliss?
Author	Will_Stephens
Upvotes	18
Comments	132
Date	August 26, 2019 1:20 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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