Questions for redpillers

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-04-15T18:16:28+00:00

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

Nobody opposes that. But it's also not about equality or feminism. It's about individual cases of discrimination and violations. There is no systemic discrimination or violation.

So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash"

Because equally talking shit about each other does not make it NOT make you upset. It's not neutral just because the other side does it too. If you say i am an asshole and i say you are an asshole, how would that make it NOT upset us both? WHy not get upset about a wrong generalization?

Also, last time i checked, women want men's support for their feminist goals. Men are in power, women can't take it from them. They need men to share power with them willingly. ARe they getting that by saying "men are trash"? I don't think so.

kongeriket · 2025-04-15T12:43:06+00:00

Feminism is a hate movement built explicitly on genocidal reasoning and with the purpose of destroying civilization.

Opposing feminism is common sense and the decent thing to do. Supporters of feminism should not be permitted to speak in public, let alone hold any position of power.

You're 20. By the time you will be 50 you will either pretend you never thought the way you do now or you'll be intentionally kept low class (best case scenario) for your activities in the service of the Enemy. Differential fertility is slowly heading the whole world into a non-feminist future and that's a very good thing.

Barely-moral · 2025-04-15T01:16:01+00:00

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

Because the same movement advocates for changes that decrease my quality of life and I have no reason to shoot myself in the foot.

Most if not all women have experiences being harassed/assaulted/discriminated against by men. The statistics don't lie.

Lets say that is true. How do we go from women are harrased/assaulted/discriminated to therefore I should support a movement that acts against my own interests?

That's not mentioning the fact that most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men. So why actively oppose feminism?

Because it is on my own interests to oppose it.

A lot of redpillers generalize women. They'll say "all women are promiscuous, all women are looking for 6 foot rich guys" etc.

Ok. Lets just give you that for the sake of argument.

So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash" if you're gonna do the same to women?

Because the western world as it is today is not consistent with the narrative. If all men were trash then all women would be slaves with no rights. Since that is not the case, all men are not trash.

kvakerok_v2 · 2025-04-15T03:43:49+00:00

why some men oppose feminism

Because today feminism primarily is lazy bitches trying to get their greedy little paws on our hard-earned tax money by doing what they're good at: lots of loud bitching and moaning. There's plenty of hard-working earnest women out there, and I'm not talking about them here.

Everything else is frankly clown stats, third-wave+ feminism has not done anything positive whatsoever for women in general, and it's become shitty to the point that even second-wave feminist women are fighting against it.

caption291 · 2025-04-15T01:11:20+00:00

why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

Because their movement is DEEP in diminishing returns. At this point the murderer and rapists are the people who don't give a shit about whatever you do to try and stop them...so putting more effort into stopping them is only really hurting the men who aren't doing those things...aka the majority of men.

And imo that's a very generous interpretation of what feminism is actually doing.

The statistics don't lie

Except they do, especially when it comes to which statistics are discussed and how you measure things.

That's not mentioning the fact that most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men.

"positions of power" don't matter, their power only exists insofar as everyone else allows them to have it.

So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash" if you're gonna do the same to women?

Men usually take things that a very large percentage of the female population does, encourages or doesn't condemn and generalizes that to all women for simplicity. Exceptions exist and they can be recognized (Saying you're an exception doesn't make you one) but the point of a generalization is to discuss bigger picture stuff without getting lost in the exceptions.

Women usually take things that the majority of men don't do and oppose but they still generalize it to all men...that's not how you generalize in good faith.

As a non-violent man, I'm part of an overwhelming majority of men who are more likely to be the victim of a random violent man than the average woman...so when I hear violence against women being treated as if it was a much larger problem than violence against men, all I really hear is extreme misandry. I guess that's an example of statistics lying.

YtBlue · 2025-04-15T01:28:11+00:00

So first a few logical facts. Women have never been oppressed. This idea of that is false. Mens privileges were given on the basis of war. Loans, Cars and etc. Even so today men are only afforded those on that basis. Its illegal if every man doesn't sign up for the selective service(draft). While women are exempt. The R word is also relatively low so this idea that men as a whole are dangerous is false. Also catcalled is also deemed sexual assault in studies and that's a ridiculous notion. Uneducated(normal people) people what you believe. If you spend time studying you'll see you've been misled

anonymousppd123123 · 2025-04-15T00:12:27+00:00

Most if not all women have experiences being harassed/assaulted/discriminated against by men.

many people view objective assessments of their performance as discrimination against X feature as a defense mechanism

I nearly got taken out by a semi driving to the office today but that's just another day. People hyperfocus on silly things

That's not mentioning the fact that most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men.

im currently hard at work on that deposing a woman in a position of power who thinks pricing strategy for a 3 billion dollar corporation should be set by whole numbers in an excel spreadsheet. the second i get an AB test going her ass is grass

So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash"

most of the anger phasers are fresh out of considering women as equals and seeing reality fall short is grating. the slope of enlightenment means recognizing there are few players in the game

Mick427 · 2025-04-15T05:47:00+00:00

Hi, I'm a 20 year old guy. I'd consider myself on the bluepill side, I think feminism's a good thing and I don't like the manosphere. I may not be the perfect ally but I'm not on the redpill side for sure.

Just say you're a male feminist - although most of them turned out to be.... Yeah, maybe don't.

I've always been curious why some men oppose feminism and I want to ask some questions.

Define feminism, as we're way past the equality stuff.

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

Where are women being "discriminated against"?

Are they being more "violated by men" today?

Most if not all women have experiences being harassed/assaulted/discriminated against by men. The statistics don't lie.

Don't they? Statistics can be massaged to show almost anything.

That's not mentioning the fact that most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men.

So if one sex holds a position of power it's sexist, but if another does it isn't?

I'm sure there's logic here somewhere.

So why actively oppose feminism?

Because it's against society's and my family's wellbeing

A lot of redpillers generalize women.

So does feminism, the government, studies and statistics - which is the only way to get stuff done.

They'll say "all women are promiscuous, all women are looking for 6 foot rich guys" etc. So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash" if you're gonna do the same to women?

No they don't, most point out that it's not all women.

I've struggled with feeling upset over generalizations of men so I get it. It sucks to have someone say that most people in a group you're part of are bad. But if you're gonna do the same to women why is it not OK for women to do the same?

Seriously, pick a side or you'll have to generalise.

nightcall379 · 2025-04-15T00:19:52+00:00

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

Because they're not

It's just a bunch of lies told to excuse the systemic abuse of men by hiding it behind the fake female victimhood

A lot of redpillers generalize women. They'll say "all women are promiscuous, all women are looking for 6 foot rich guys" etc. So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash" if you're gonna do the same to women?

Because women hating, and abusing men is considered virtuous in this system

While men exposing women's lies is considered a crime

ViolentShallot · 2025-04-15T14:16:39+00:00

First, not all red pilled men oppose feminism. Feminism is generally opposed by conservative men, and red pillers are generally conservative men. But the red pill is a stance about how attraction works, not about how policy should be. It's not ideologically impossible to find a feminist red-piller. In fact, a lot of the pushes of feminism make the life of a red piller much easier.

Now, to respond to your questions.

One: "Feminism" is a movement that expands, shrinks, and morphs depending on what's convenient. In fact, it's not a movement, it's a myriad of them, united -loosely- by a common abstract goal. So, some parts of feminism might be hard-focused on stopping rape and oppression. And some of those might be pushing for tangible changes that have a reasonable price.

But that's neither the entirety or the majority of the movement. It's intellectually disingenuous to depict the opposition to some aspects of feminism as opposition to the very few aspects of feminism that are legitimate.

I'll land it in an example: I don't believe that enforcing 50% of people in any workplace to be women is a good idea. It's, in fact, a miserable one. You're claiming that because I oppose that, I oppose feminism, and because feminism wants women to stop being raped, I am against that. That's about three fallacies in a trenchcoat.

One point five: A couple nitpicks.

"The statistics don't lie."

Statistics certainly don't lie. But they can be derived from biased study methodologies. For instance, the "one in four women sexually assaulted" had an extremely biased methodology where there was no control group, women willingly approached a spot to answer, and "heard sexual comments about another woman" counted as being sexually assaulted.

So, while "The statistics don't lie", they can come from biased studies. And they can be used to lie.

"most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men"

Most positions of political and economic power require a dedication, ambition and quite sincerely disregard for happiness that only very few men actually qualify for them. I for sure don't want to work for 13 hours a day, travel internationally twice a week and burn myself to "reach the top".

It just happens to be that "ultra aggressive, borderline psychopatic" happens more often in men than in women. On the flipside, most positions of abject poverty, or prison, or other many shitty situations are held also overwhelmingly by men.

Two: Morality is defined by actions, not wants. The red pill defines how attraction works for the overwhelming majority of people, but it's not a moral judgement. It only feels like that to those who try to claim virtue by lying about it.

But it's fine, u/tuxedocat800, I have a question for you. I will write down a list of statements, and you tell me if there's any of then you think I'm wrong about:

1 - Most women prefer a fit, well groomed man over an obese, greasy, poorly groomed one.

2- Most women prefer a charismatic man that can keep her enthralled than someone dull and grey with very little conversation of substance.

3- Most women prefer a clean man that takes hygiene seriously over someone that doesn't.

4- Most women prefer a man that has the capacity and the tools to solve problems over a man who will crumble at the first obstacle.

5- Most women prefer a man with a solid circle of friends and social skills to exist in society over an isolated loner that cannot be in a social situation.

6- Most women prefer a confident and assertive guy over an insecure, jealous or clingy one.

Tell me, do you disagree with any of these statements?

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abaxeron · 2025-04-16T19:32:06+00:00

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

"Checkmate, atheists."

If you're not familiar with the joke, it starts with "If god isn't real, who wrote the bible?". The obvious answer is "Not god". The obvious answer to your question is - feminism is not the movement trying to stop these things from happening. Feminism is the movement that declared men as class enemy of women. Thus, also declaring every act of violence or aggression committed by a man against a woman as part of oppressive institutional system, and the very same act by a woman against a man, as justified self-defense in class struggle. If you understand why marxism is ... to put it mildly, deeply inaccurate in its assessment of reality, then you understand what is wrong with feminism.

A lot of redpillers generalize women.

I will stop you right here. Redpillers generalize everyone. There is male nature, and there is female nature. We live in the system that claims (and operates from the premise that) female nature does not exist, and male nature is destructive and harmful, and nothing else. It is absolutely normal for women to generalize men. It's very much part of female nature.

James_M_Croft · 2025-04-19T15:06:38+00:00

Look, if you gonna try to pass as a man, know that we are concise and objective, this doesn't sound like a man's words

If women are being discriminated against and violated by men, why oppose the movement trying to stop this from happening?

none is agaisnt that, if anything trp and the manosphere are the actual ones doing that. Many women think they have jobs, instead of being just part of some corporate harem. It is just ridiculous, and well, unwarranted.

Most if not all women have experiences being harassed/assaulted/discriminated against by men. The statistics don't lie. That's not mentioning the fact that most positions of political/economic power in Western countries are held by men. So why actively oppose feminism?

Women often are swayed by propaganda. They consider those who love them or just don't pose any threat as being discriminated while they are just office bunnies and political pawns their entire lives without even noticing. Men cannot win against a propaganda machine, but we can choose to not interact with their pawns and ridicule it for its flaws.

lot of redpillers generalize women. They'll say "all women are promiscuous, all women are looking for 6 foot rich guys" etc. So then why get upset when feminists say "men are trash" if you're gonna do the same to women?

Yes, the red pill is the countermovement to feminism.

I've struggled with feeling upset over generalizations of men so I get it. It sucks to have someone say that most people in a group you're part of are bad. But if you're gonna do the same to women why is it not OK for women to do the same?

I am not against generatlization of people. It is just fire against fire. Double standards are not acceptable.

lozboss · 2025-04-26T10:43:39+00:00

Why you knowing are blue pill as a man i'll have no idea. Perhaps it will take an event for you to finally unplug.

Feminism is detested because feminism nowadays is not about equality. Its about Misandry and giving women an advantage over men (therefore not equality). Redpill men do not opposed equality if genders. Anybody who tells you otherwise is lying or simply projecting.

Title	Questions for redpillers
Author	tuxedocat800
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Date	April 14, 2025 11:51 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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