Should we "diversify" female oriented fields?

rdsthrowaway · 2015-11-05T23:56:42+00:00

http://www.businessinsider.com/pink-collar-jobs-dominated-by-women-2015-2 Throughout Western Countries there are a lot of affirmative action programs to get...

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Okay. You are aware that traditionally on farms women did half the work? You cannot be a farmer's wife and be weak. I know tiny little old ladies in India who can probably bench more than I can. Because they work in jobs that require strength.

I don't think you get it but bottled milk =/= breast milk for a reason (human breast milk contains proteins that we need, cow's milk contains proteins cow babies need). But if you shove it into a bottle there is no difference in benefit.

By your logic (since women dominate medicine these days with fewer men entering and more women entering) we suck at medicine. We cannot mix logic, science and compassion. The only thing we are fit for is Ortho because we are hammers.

That's not the case. We are all capable of doing the same things beyond the minor differences.

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Because they are judged heavily. Because people automatically think they'll take more time off even though that may not be the case for that woman. They are worried they will come across as bitchy while the guy comes across as a leader. There are many reasons for it. Some women have figured it out and succeed and some try but are denied for the same reasons they were afraid to ask in the first place. Many male dominated trades are still discriminatory until the woman shows her worth. I am lucky where I work now. I wasn't so lucky at my old job, even though everyone there started out at the same pay automatically. For a while I had a different job title than some of my coworkers and I worked hard. I was getting more hours and more pay because of it The guys complained a lot. My hours got cut because they didn't like a girl getting more money than them.

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There isn't really a wage gap that isn't self caused. I totally know that men who work more get paid more. It is obvious. The base rate is still the same though. With paid parental leave I can totally see more guys leaving for a little while, well if other men don't give them a hard time for it. I know quite a few at my job who have taken parental leave. Can't vouch for all of them because many are past the age of having kids but the ones that recently had kids all took it. One guy is popping one out every year and the bosses are getting mad because of how little he works.

I work with a lot of dudes so maybe it is different for me but there are quite a few who are constantly going to the doctor. I usually see way more there than girls when I go to get a prescription renewed. Last time I went for anything other than a prescription renewal was when I sprained an ankle so bad I couldn't walk right for months. Still did my job, still did it well enough.

I really don't see how given their behavior guys are any better than women at a job. They can be lazy, they can bitch, and whine just like women. They can come in to work everyday and do almost nothing (to be fair so can women) a hard worker should be celebrated for being cost effective. You can't just assume guys are automatically, especially in male dominated trades where women have to do double the work sometimes just to be recognized.

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What benefits do you speak of? What do you mean bringing good quality healthcare to my country?

Socialized healthcare just makes things more available; I've never heart of it improving healthcare quality. The end result of socialized medicine is increased use of health services by the population, longer waiting periods, rationing (life threatening vs. non-life threatening), etc.

What system do you propose works better?

Free market is the best market. If I was presidente por vida I would:

eliminate intellectual property
eliminate medicare/medicaid
eliminate social security
cut military spending.
eliminate federal student loans
extensively deregulate licensure requirements, regulations which protect drug and insurance companies
completely open borders to foreign doctors.
eliminate license requirements for doctor. allow government to provide certificates, but do not require certificates to practice medicine.

With decreased costs, tax rates can drop to 10-20% and people are free to spend their money however they want. Whether it's on health insurance, fast cars, or horses.

After several years, things would get much cheaper. For the very poor, I see them paying like $40-100/month for health insurance; they'll visit foreign medical graduates in the U.S. and fly out to Colombia, Chile, or Costa Rica if they need surgery, want braces, etc.

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The problem is people are stupid and unwilling to take responsibility. When some dumb ass works for 30 years and doesn't save up anything to retire, he'll get on a soapbox, complain, and require the government to take peoples money, and "protect" them.

I wish we can achieve that one day but with the direction that we're heading, we're well on our path of becoming a second Europe (sigh).

It's funny; almost all of our problems result from regulation and laws, yet the solution is always more laws and regulation. People complain about big business monopolies, but they support minimum wage laws and regulations which harm small business and unskilled workers.

There's so much bullshit regulations that hurts competition. You can't braid or cut hair without a license. You can't import cars from overseas that are younger than 25 years. There's so much bullshit that it drives me insane thinking about it.

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It is definitely up to society to fix this.

And this is where you're putting the cart before the horse. Even if career women constantly encountered innumerable obstacles and it was nigh-impossible for an ambitious woman to pursue a lucrative, well-respected career (no comment on both), this would change the simple fact that women - particularly career women - by and large simply don't want to date guys they have to support. It matters little whether these career women make up 0.1% or 100% of all women, in both cases becoming a SAHD isn't a realistic prospect.

As long as this problem exists (spoiler: it won't go away), you can complain about the lack of acceptance for SAHDs as much as you want, it won't change anything. Acceptance of SAHDs doesn't begin with society, i.e. the others, it begins with oneself. And every single feminist-leaning career woman who is harping on about "outdated gender roles" and promotes "acceptance of househusbands/SAHDs" but doesn't really want to date on herself is not part of the solution, but a part of the problem - and a far greater part of it than any man who doesn't respect SAHDs.

Because a SAHD always had the option to ignore guys who make derisive comments about his life choice; but he can't become a SAHD in the first place without the active cooperation of a woman.

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There was exactly one male teacher at my elementary school. He was a mean old fucker too.

My ex-boyfriend is a kindergarten teacher and he's dealt with a lot of crap. Parents requesting that their kids not be put in his class, etc. It's really sad because he's great with kids and an amazing teacher. His dream was always to work in a low-income rural community, but he ended up having to move to a more liberal, urban area to escape the stigma.

I have another friend who's a third grade teacher and has had similar issues, and he's gay so he has even more stigma to deal with.

It's really sad and I think this is one area where men have a legit complaint. I don't blame them for not wanting to go into elementary education. I don't think there's much of a stigma against men being high school teachers though, and the gender split is more even in those grades.

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Well there is teaching, nursing and HR. They could create lots of male only scholarships/bursaries, perhaps set some kind of equality target and quotas for the universities. Percentage targets for males on those courses.

Maybe some all male shortlist for positions would help. Make the faculty more male too. I think half the problem is the sexism of the female professors myself. We could get loads of men in there too. Stop the sexism that's rampant.

Perhaps post university a more male friendly workplace, banning feminine type conversations in the staff room. Have awareness campaigns, no talking of tampons or breast milk ladies! Guys don't like it. It's sexual harassment. Give the schools and hospitals targets for male staff, get the culture changed. Offer a few fast track schemes to entice them in.

We could have all sorts of fun, couldn't we ?

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That's a very old school view for male nurses.

Is it? I've seen such views recently.

There are tons of great male nurses out there

I would disagree with 'tons' if there were then there wouldn't be the push to get more male nurses.

My university has a building were all the nursing staff train, i've been in in it quite a bit for a class(only room they could get was in that building) and its a sea of girls with maybe one or two guys at most any time i'm there.

and I would guess the people who look down on them don't even work in health care (so they have no idea what they're talking about).

What does being or not being in medical care have to do with it? You don't need to be in medical care to view male nurses as unmanly.

As an aside the only place I have seen male nurses in any numbers(although ratio-wise it was still 1/5th guys to 4/5th girls) is in mental health for reasons of strength.

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Title	Should we "diversify" female oriented fields?
Author	rdsthrowaway
Upvotes	14
Comments	194
Date	November 5, 2015 11:56 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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