The issue with this subreddit is the fact that blue pillers just simply ignore facts

PurplePillDebate-ModTeam · 2024-02-24T20:27:23+00:00

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Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-02-24T20:05:14+00:00

Almost all of "red pill facts" are pulled right from the ass. It's all about very specific and shitty kind of women that aren't majority and pretending that it represent every women in the world. Or they run around with some dumb statistics pretending that they don't understand very strong biases.

Few_Advertising3430 · 2024-02-24T19:28:54+00:00

I think both sides judge the other side based on their own experiences and only view the things that confirm their existing point of views.

I am Blue Pill I guess and Red pillers try to find the ultimate algorithm to guarantee a relationship. There is no such thing, doing the bare minimum will increase your chances but you might have to wait, as most of us. If you become bitter while you wait, women will not enjoy that. Bitter people are less attractive and affects their behavior.

Environmental_Day558 · 2024-02-24T19:46:41+00:00

True, but the issue with red pillers is that they'll see numbers and jump to false conclusions without doing any further analysis into it.

For example they see the whole 60% of young men (20-29) being single thing and conclude that young women are all sharing the same men, without considering the fact that women are more likely to self identify their romantic encounters as a relationship, and that women typically date men a few years older than them. I'm 32 my fiance is 28, so we're apart of the data skew.

Same applies to the 80/20 rule, 80% of women initiate divorces, etc

twistednormz · 2024-02-24T20:13:49+00:00

The issue with this subreddit is the fact that blue pillers just simply ignore facts

This claim is hilarious considering that redpill guys constantly claim things as facts when they aren't actually facts. You're not ignoring a fact if you know it's clearly not a fact, lol.

Dating and romance are easier for women than men.

Where's your proof of this fact? I see "manosphere" guys regularly say that women can get sex easier than men can, but that doesn't make dating and romance "easier* for women. If what you stated is a fact, I'm sure you can easily show that. Right?

They're all slobs okay! Every single one okay! Men wouldn't accept women dressed in a t shirt and jeans either! All men need is new clothes a haircut and a shower and wash their asses! Let's just ignore the fact that most men do these things!

Never seen or heard anyone say this. Again, proof? No?

Society values women more than men!

Not a fact, just the opinion of "manosphere" guys. If it's a fact, show us the proof.

Nuh uh! This is because my boomer grandma told me to smile more!

What?

60% of Young men aren't in relationships and that number is rising.

Isn't the 60% figure from 2018 and then there was a more recent study by the same people who showed it was much less? So, where's your evidence that it's rising? My god! Soon it will be 100%and the human species will die out!! What will we do?!

This isn't happening and if it was there is nothing wrong with it!

So, yeah, this isn't happening. And, if it was there isn't anything wrong with it. In modern society you can't force a person to date, marry or procreate with someone they don't want to, so if you want to be chosen, you have to be someone worth choosing, simple as that.

Most people need to have a relationship to be happy

Again, is this really a fact? In my opinion, most people are taught growing up that they need a relationship to be happy, that doesn't mean they actually do. Proof?

Men commit suicide more than women

This one is a fact, you're correct.

Who cares! This has no reflection on any wider trends!

What? I don't think anyone has ever had that reaction to suicide trends, like who cares? Do you really think that everyone besides redpillers doesn't care about suicide?

You sound like you are quite naive and just believe everything you read, unfortunately you only read manosphere stuff so you're unaware of everything else. How sad.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-02-24T20:26:20+00:00

Awful lotta opinion sprinkled in with this facts.

If I didn’t know any better I would say you have some kind of bias.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-02-24T20:03:38+00:00

Ok how’s this?

Fact- It’s dating is easier for women because they can reject any of the unwashed slobs who ask them.

Fact- society values those friendly and social people and not the antisocial loners.

Fact- young people are doing a lot of milestones later in life including getting drivers licenses, getting jobs, and also dating later than previous generations.

So facts still remain: don’t be an antisocial loner slob if you want to date as a guy.

TRTGymBro · 2024-02-24T19:41:54+00:00

No amount of whining is ever going to get you laid or improve your love life.

Financial_Leave4411 · 2024-02-24T19:21:05+00:00

Typically red pill behavior, you want to talk about facts in the most skewed way possible and offer no reasonable solutions. Let me guess you’re solutions are forcing people to nod their heads to agree with you and force women to be with men they don’t like?

CraftyCooler · 2024-02-24T19:21:20+00:00

Isn't society men and women ? If society doesn' value men then it means that men do not value men. Besides - it is not that good to be valued more, in Asia this led to large surplus of young men. I think though that we should value ourselves more - our health, our emotions, our wellbeing. We are too reckless with our lives.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-02-24T19:37:11+00:00

But these aren't all facts. 1,2 and 4 are still heavily debated due to there being no way to define them. 3 and 5 are just not caring, but what are red pillers doing about male suicide? Other than talking men out of therapy

SIeight_of_Hand · 2024-02-24T19:43:31+00:00

No, you simply don’t know it differently, you defend your own ego investment and that’s ok, also don’t be a red pill evangelist who needs to save ppl in the "matrix" how do you think did they unplugged neo? He was looking for the answers and he found the answers. Not everyone can be like neo, all you can be is like someone who cheerleads a blue pill man towards past TRP. You can only tell him that he might avoid fresh and fit and send him straight to the TRP sidebar and lead his anger towards productive things rather being mad at external things he cannot change or aren’t in his control.

Currentlycurious1 · 2024-02-24T20:17:27+00:00

If redpillers were as alpha as they say, they wouldn't feel the need to strawman bluepillers all the time. Seriously, Mark Manson and Dr. Robert Glover put out some phenomenal bluepill material and y'all pretend like it's just grandmas advice.

relish5k · 2024-02-24T20:29:49+00:00

A good debater should be able to steel man their opponents arguments.

Fact: attracting interested prospects is easier for women than men

Fact: men who want to improve their success with women can take actionable steps to make themselves more appealing

Fact: men dying deaths of despair matters a great deal, and there is a great deal of reporting on this topic, tho surely it can go farther.

Fact: loving relationships make people the happiest, but being alone is oftentimes preferable to be unhappily coupled

Fact: women and men seem to use a different set of facts when self identifying if they are single or in a relationship

Fact: women are more critical to the survival of our species than men

Fact: women being more critical from a reproductive standpoint also means that being a woman historically comes with greater protections, as well as more restrictions / less freedom

apresonly · 2024-02-24T19:10:24+00:00

meanwhile red pillers keep throwing out the same made up stats like the OK cupid 80/20 study, alimony being common (its awarded to either gender in less than 10% of marriages), custody decisions favoring women (men get custody more than women when men ask for it), and women being able to make up abuse allegations to get their way (court is *more likely* to award men custody if a woman says he is abusive than if she kept his abuse a secret).

hey-momo · 2024-02-24T19:20:20+00:00

i am not feminist and dont agree with blue pillers about many things. i think its definitely true that men have a harder time in dating but that's because men desire women more than vice versa and that's biological and not going to change so there is nothing more unattractive than seeing you guys whine about it. which only works against you even further because it makes you look desperate and like you arent desirable enough to be able to have standards. if there is one good thing red pill advocates for its Male self improvement so that he can take more control of his prospects.

SmallSituation6432 · 2024-02-24T19:28:06+00:00

Fact: Dating and romance are easier for women than men.

Response: short term dating is easier for women than men. long term dating is equivalent because it requires equivalent investment, that's what differentiates it from short term dating.

Fact: Society values women more than men!

Response: your applying different ideas of value to each gender then just claiming they are 'different but equal', when the outcome is clearly not equal in most areas of society. the attempt to limit it to just talking about value in dating is a transparently self serving idea of what society values, and is not a reasonable understanding of the statement you are claiming a fact.

Fact: 60% of Young men aren't in relationships and that number is rising.

Response: even if 60% of men self identify as not being in a relationship, many of them easily can be in the same or similar situations as women that do identify as being in a relationship.

Fact: Most people need to have a relationship to be happy

Response: Most people identify that a relationship is important for them to be happy. However, the actual effect of a relationship on peoples happiness has wide results, and as far as I know does not suggest any necessary link. The second point is that focusing on a relationship as necessary often leads to a narrow mindset that does not result in happiness, so denying this could just be an attempt to break someone from a self-destructive thinking pattern.

Fact: Men commit suicide more than women

Response: yes, that's true. What does that have to do with dating? Asking how they are linked and if improving dating is really the best or even an effective means to reduce suicide is not just saying "who cares". There are far more relevant and effective avenues of discussion about male suicide without always shoving it into every discussion about dating.

You are effectively using it as a cudgel to avoid criticism, then bitching when it doesn't work. Want to talk about male suicide? Do that, don't make it the last item on a list about dating because that makes it very clear you don't actually give a fuck about it, you only care how useful it is to your argument.

KratosGodOfLove · 2024-02-24T20:09:08+00:00

Not only do they ignore facts but when bluepillers address arguments that disagree with them, they play semantics, misinterpret, insist their interpretation of what you said is correct even as you explain. Most of them are not arguing in good faith.

John_Oakman · 2024-02-24T20:27:33+00:00

Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly/material results. Thus appeals to materialistic reality has no bearing on the pursuit of moral virtues.

wheartv · 2024-02-24T19:37:39+00:00

The basis of our society is rooted in the biological truth that lower class men should be disposable utilities (from an evolutionary perspective, I’m not saying I agree).

To challenge that is to challenge the religious beliefs of someone that built their entire lives on religion.

There is no way they can accept it easily because it will remove the foundations of their lives.

By the way, both pills are wrong. It’s just that blue pill is so wrong that it is annoying.

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Title	The issue with this subreddit is the fact that blue pillers just simply ignore facts
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Date	February 24, 2024 7:08 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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