First date failure, killed the vibe by jokingly insulting her

Kevin19Fish · 2018-08-02T22:21:50+00:00

Calling her materialistic with a smile is good.

Calling her a bitch is bad.

Next time you go on a first date call her a fat ugly whore and write another report on how it went.

Borsao66 · 2018-08-02T22:12:23+00:00

There's negging and there's being a douchebag.

If you'd left it at "Sounds kinda materialistic" you'd have probably been ok. But you went straight past that.

2comment · 2018-08-03T04:08:13+00:00

She said "did you just really call me a bitch? On our first date?"

"are you one of those sensitive girls that cannot take an insult as a joke?"

Your response feels like you're doubling down on the insult or at least negativity and so she's gonna double down on her stubborness and self-righteousness in feeling insulted. Hence her subsequent followups feeling offended deepens. Girls call each other worse all the time without batting an eye but it's the dynamic involved and not the actual words.

If you had responded something like "Yeah, I usually wait til the third date for that, but I feel your special", or just a simple "Yeah, that means I like you. Wait till you hear what I call my mom." it all might have played off better.

Keeping frame doesn't mean sticking your feet into the mud twice as deep at every step.

JamesSkepp · 2018-08-03T07:29:54+00:00

I tried holding frame after offending her, and then explained myself when I saw that was not working. Is there a better way I could have handled the situation?

Yes, first of all NEVER explain yourself in that kind of situation. Hold frame, change subject or pull ("relax, i don't really think you're a matrialistic bitch..." pause here) and push ("...that much").

Besides explaining yourself, you did good with frame holding, she went with you, she made out, she was DTF despite the misstep (not a mistake really).

I just wasn't feeling it after she told me about fucking a stranger in the bathroom just before rejecting me. What could have I done differently here?

You're a non-materialistic bitch on the other hand. She allows you to escalate in public place after you insult her, then she tells you that she fucked a dude in a public bathroom WHILE you're escalating on her in a public place. Connect the dots, she was DFT the whole time. You told her that you meant skydiving - that's what killed the vibe b/c you showed her you can't read her signals at all. Should have tried to pull her to your place. Or tried the public bathroom.

Demiurge_Decline · 2018-08-03T12:19:31+00:00

Gents this is what you get when you listen to random joes online proclaiming stuff like "yeah wymen love to be disrespected and called sluuts!. Just be a chad like me and hold your frame!" ...only to logoff reddit and turn on the video game console that is still hot from the 5 hour session earlier...

Use common sense. Disrespective behavior can only by used on 9 and 10's and then you still have to have fineese to pull it off.

This reads like a try hard bad PUA method and you memorized lines and body language - but not the principles of Red Pill. Even down to the tantrum at the end when you ghosted her before she can ghost you. Even going right into sex talk on first date. All of this tells me you need to refrain from taking this stuff to heart and read between the lines...

Why did she feel offended? You called her a B*... real life is different than the falsetto alphas online peacocking...

ba77ab · 2018-08-02T23:05:18+00:00

The word "bitch" in THAT situation with THAT girl was a mistake. But you didn't know that's how she was going to react. You were both vibing, she took offence at a minor slip and suckered you into a very difficult shit test to pass. You didn't pass, but you already know that and she wasn't coming back to your place after that. Forget about the kiss goodbye/no kiss goodbye it would have made no difference. You were escalating enough by the sounds of it and I think she would've come back with you without the bitch comment. It was a mistake on her but it definitely won't be on others. Do not beat yourself up about this one too much, its the only mistake you made on the date.

gbdoragnic · 2018-08-02T22:32:52+00:00

Here is a tip, it's never ok to make fun of someone for who they are, only make fun of their ego.

Negging is making fun of someone's ego, I would never make fun of a girl on her period.

but I will make fun of a girl who says periods are suppose to be seen as beautiful and the reason we don't is because of the patriarchy.

Met a girl who believed this, I made fun of her ego, she even went as for to say she had period jars, and kept her blood. This was of course bullshit, and I made fun of her bullshit.

MrCarepig · 2018-08-02T23:49:55+00:00

I dont think you can jokingly insult someone like that unless you know that said person really well.

Invalidity · 2018-08-03T13:45:53+00:00

There's nothing wrong with calling a woman a bitch so long as it is done playfully. It's easier to throw the word around with women who are more comfortable with you, because they know you well enough that you aren't saying it offensively.

You took a chance with a complete stranger. It's not recommended but it's fine. You failed when you tried to explain yourself. If you feel the urge to explain yourself, do so only in a professional environment when it is appropriate. In all other situations, never explain yourself. You don't need to.

And secondly, you're feeding into her frame of being upset. She threw a tantrum, yet she still stuck it out with you. Yes, you spent too much time talking. You literally try to "fix" the atmosphere by starting up banter. You fed into her frame. Had you simply continued to escalate or gone cold, you could have re-calibrated.

always_sad12 · 2018-08-05T11:11:59+00:00

Dude come on. You’re over analyzing this. You called a girl a bitch. I don’t care if you’re gigachad with Justin Bieber frame, don’t do that. Just don’t call a girl a bitch next time.

Youngyoda89 · 2018-08-03T12:31:20+00:00

Calling her a materialistic bitch sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. It sounds like you have anger towards women. That’s like calling a black guy a nigger (not nigga). You used the word in a hateful way.

Like - you sound like a materialistic BITCH!!!

You could have said - oh so your a materialistic bitch?

But honestly I wouldn’t reccomend either. Don’t be mad at her for being a hoe. Who cares. You’re too invested and imo that’s where you fucked up.

A better option would be to respond with “nice” and then change the subject to something you want to talk about.

MentORPHEUS · 2018-08-02T23:14:58+00:00

I then broke frame by saying something like: "look, I didn't call you a bitch, it's just

This is called DEERing. Don't DEER. (Defend, explain, excuse, rationalize.)

but she kept looking really disappointed and offended, repeating that "it really sucks to be called a bitch on a first date

Sounds like someone with at least one Women's Studies semester under her belt, and/or a favored or only child with a thin skin and no bantering skills. Turning pouty for an extended period is a kind of passive aggression, which is something I have a very difficult time accepting even in small doses.

I managed to make her laugh again and bring the conversation on a more positive note. I pulled her close to me again, then we made out.

I thought I had recovered, then it was time to pay the bill. I told the barman we were going to split, and she didn't look happy about it

I'm older and make a good living; skittles game doesn't work well in this context. My philosophy is to engage the SMP on a cash basis, or quid pro quo.

Two or more strong makeout sessions on the first date represents a value, and two rounds of drinks is an acceptable price to me even if it doesn't lead to an F-close. In this case, I suspect it may have smoothed the way forward for a hookup or plate relationship, but she's already thrown too many LTR red flags.

she happily told me she can be a slut for other people but wasn't up for it with me. I told her "that's OK, I'll see you some other time then". She said: "that's it?" and I replied with "yeah, I have work tomorrow so I'd rather relax and catch some sleep - I'll see you".

Like a boss! Another red flag- she expected you to keep pushing and pursuing in the face of her intransigence, and then was genuinely surprised when you didn't follow along with that dangerous game. That kind of deceit and manipulativeness can also be parlayed into deciding the consensual sex was actually rape after you stop contacting her.

Is there a better way I could have handled the situation?

Negging is playing with fire when you haven't built much rapport and history with the person, and your banter is still a bit rough-hewn. Think of being in a retail store where there is some annoying delay. If you insult or berate the cashier, it will always be received negatively. Insult the COMPANY instead, making it your common enemy, and the groundwork is set for positive banter and a better outcome. The concept of "punching up, not down" may help dial it in too.

FixYourselfFirst · 2018-08-03T16:19:32+00:00

New Sidebar Tip:

#358 - You cannot build attraction by calling the woman a bitch

CasaDeFranco · 2018-08-03T00:13:15+00:00

I wager the guy who fucked her in a bathroom called her worse things.

You're overthinking it.

Don't call her a bitch is good advice generally, but in the end, it depends on how attracted she is to you. Hold frame and work on yourself to build your value.

Giant-__-Otter · 2018-08-03T10:08:12+00:00

It's not one of your questions, but cut it out with the first-date-bathroom-fclose she experienced. Don't read much into it, don't compare your date to that one in the past and was different for a myriad of factors, perhaps with a guy of higher SMV, another context (was she a bit drunk, in the middle of ovulation week, getting out of a relationship), etc. Get it out of your head. Focus on how your game is, and how you can improve it.

As to the bitch thing, I think you realised after discussing with other members here that it was all a calibration problem. Fantastic! Now you know what not to do. If the girl rarely uses expletives and/or seems to have low self-esteem, be on your guard. An alpha female that is OK with self-deprecation? Green light.

BoughtenCockloft · 2018-08-03T19:55:27+00:00

You dodged a bullet. She’s an egotistic cunt.

FeedEmColdSardines · 2018-08-02T22:30:50+00:00

Be yourself no matter what dude. You could've said the exact same thing to a different girl and she would've immediately qualified herself to you and explain why she's not a materialistic bitch. Don't go down this labyrinth of "what should I have said" dialogue dissection and overanalyzing everything. Fuck her if she can't take a dig or two. You should have maintained that frame and made her feel stupid for sperging out and getting offended. By the way, you're right. She DOES sound like a materialistic bitch, and now she sounds like an easily offended materialistic bitch. The question is what do you think of her and her sorry ass personality? You probably dodged a bullet. So what if you didn't close. You made a pretty decent and witty response to what she was saying. Fuck her and her taking offense. Don't take shit from another human being because they happen to have a vagina.

banelord1976 · 2018-08-03T01:24:08+00:00

I dont think your.smv was high enough to get away with this. The douchbag out strip any attraction she had...i guess u played yourself.

mette13 · 2018-08-03T07:42:21+00:00

Your push-and-pull game needs work. You should have pushed her by being loving and caring. As soon as she drops a shit-test, start pulling. Ignore and start DGAF attitude and throw in a little laughter.

After the shit tests die down, start acting beta and she'll drop a comfort test usually along the lines of "You don't even like me." Say something stupid in return like "You're right, I only like cute things. Oh hey, you're cute."

It's imperative you pass the comfort test. This is my own experience after I mistakenly or purposely kill the vibe with an LTR and a few plates.

ariky · 2018-08-03T16:54:42+00:00

You should have called her bitch again after she told you that she fucked a guy on the first date in a bathroom by saying “I was right then, you are a real bitch and I liked that”

trp_nofap_rewire2018 · 2018-08-03T18:02:23+00:00

That’s what excessive RP theory does. Tone it down and act more like both of you are human beings.

There’s a huge gap between being naturally alpha and coming off as an ass. You sound like the latter.

Gr0o0vy · 2018-08-03T09:32:19+00:00

" I said that was not very extreme and that I was thinking about something more like skydiving and bungee jumping. "

Kudos to you as this was a great attempt at trying to salvage the date.

priapula · 2018-08-03T14:17:48+00:00

I doubt you actually offended her. You just failed the shit test

wanker7171 · 2018-08-03T15:48:34+00:00

While some girls like being called a bitch, there are a lot of girls who have that kind of negative visceral response to it. I've jokingly called a girl a bitch after she was acting bratty and it went downhill in an instant

Nocryingok · 2018-08-03T19:20:04+00:00

It's not what you say, but HOW you say it. You could call her a bitch as a joke, which is not the case here. Example of a flirt: I bet you dumped your last boyfriend... you're such a bad bitch!

What you did was more of a neg, which I'm not fond of. I prefer to dread as a push tactic than negging. Remember : actions speak louder than words.

Srv110398 · 2018-08-04T00:40:17+00:00

Much of the redpill knowledge is about whay you must not do rather than what you must do. Easy, tease her but don't compromise yourself in that kind of situations in your first date, maybe later you can call her a bitch once she gets comfortable and understands better the context. However, remember women are emotional so it don't really matter what you meant with the joke, if she feels that you are offending her she will respond accordingly, don't be surprised.

Razkolol · 2018-08-04T14:18:17+00:00

So basically she was dtf and you decided to overgame. Why the fuck are you still gaming if you're already making out with her? Just keep quiet and arrange for logistics, talk about puppies or something. It's so annoying to read shit like this when you guys have logistics covered, some of us have logistics as #1 sticking point while you morons have it covered but decide to call the girl a gold-digging whore just for lols. Meet> build rapport > escalate > logistics> fuck. Op decided to spice things up xD

Andgelyo · 2018-08-08T03:56:32+00:00

I’m very playful, but I would never ever ever call a girl a bitch, especially on a first date. Imagine some girl calling you a faggot the first time meeting her. It’s probably the same thing to them lmao

m4ch1ina · 2018-08-09T18:03:05+00:00

“Wow, you’re such a bitch,” and “you sound like a materialistic bitch” are too wildly different statements.

One sounds like a playful neg. The other sounds incredibly insulting and even a little vicious.

Here’s a rule of thumb. If you’re gonna tease a girl, don’t call her character into question. That can become touchy very quickly.

Push/pull. Always balance your teases with an opposing statement. “That shirt you’re wearing is so weird! I love it!”

“You’re such a bitch.” Broad smile, playful shove. But I’m an asshole myself so we’ll get along.” Laugh, pull her closer.

“Bitch” can be easily made playful. “Materialistic bitch?” Not so much.

Zefirez · 2018-08-12T12:51:12+00:00

Oh btw i think the sun was in the wrong constallation when you dated, maybe that's why...

/**Sarcasm**

Seriously, it's plain as day she was a **slut** and a **materiallistic bitch**. She confessed so herself.

Want went wrong? Your subconcious self (which earned way more kudos then you deserve) had **dignity and self respect**. Something your concious self could use.
It nailed her shit down without any lube ("Materiallistic bitch" and "I rather meant bungee jumping"), exposing without any mercy her true nature.

What can you do better? Look for more decent women. Try as you might, it's clear your inner self wants no part of hoes, else you'd pretend you didn't hear the model bit and stayed quiet on the toilet sex story.

Nihev · 2018-08-03T03:19:21+00:00

Yeah that was pretty stupid

SkorchZang · 2018-08-03T03:07:35+00:00

Man, that's tragic. Girl was really hurt by it, and sounds like she was loving her time with you till you ghetto-bombed all her optimism.

This type of thing happens to me as well now and then, women being unable to follow the joke and mistaking humourous spices for horrible poison I'm trying to get them to imbibe. What I learned to do is to never shirk from it, do not allow her to just sweep it under the carpet like it didn't happen. Let her try to change the subject, but then stare at her with genuine concern and care. Say something that confirms you know exactly what she's thinking/feeling: "listen I feel bad, you were really hurt when I said that, weren't you? Hope you can forgive me, I got a potty mouth babe, but never meant any harm by it." Extend your hand or some other form of kino to her: "Fistbump of Forgiveness?" Smile at her, if she lights up and giggles, you got a good girl and she has just forgiven you everything and probably even likes you more for it, since she got to see a different side of you.

Never "apologize". This is not apologizing, this is you, still charming the hell out of her, despite the situation being bad for you. You don't get on your knees and take anything back, you simply make it clear that your masculine affection toward her is still there, that you don't see her as a useless chunk of fuckmeat. Emphasize this affection, not the actual issue or apologizing for it. You don't care if she ever says "I forgive you", you care that she feels bright and smiley again inside, and notices how you noticed how she was feeling even though she didn't want to say anything about it.

wiffofass · 2018-08-02T23:15:52+00:00

Well, she is a materialistic cunt for pretending to be a friend only to get free shit. Fuck that two faced cunt. Don't over analyse.

JinxsLover · 2018-08-03T02:26:05+00:00

Dude I've made this mistake before. I made a joke about how we need to exercise more she instantly goes did you call me fat. What the fuck I'm done you are such a jerk. Some girls cannot joke at all.

ZaphodBeeblebrows · 2018-08-08T21:28:34+00:00

Wow big surprise I thought all women want that, right? You guys are a riot

MattyAnon · 2018-08-03T00:13:47+00:00

She looked at me as if I had just strangled a puppy to death. She said "did you just really call me a bitch? On our first date?", and was visibly disappointed.

Provider hunter eliminated
Person asking questions that should be on asktrp eliminated

Noblefiz · 2018-08-03T01:21:14+00:00

He’s a redditor who posted a nice article About the concept a month or so ago. Not everyone has been around long enough to be familiar with it.

woodquest · 2018-08-03T06:55:13+00:00

Yeah sometimes you can trigger a bad feelz of her even out of the blue. You can also shoot yourself in the foot with something you would never guess was the culprit like saying you like avocado, bringing her to a bar with blue glass... Anything that triggers something bad in her.

I recently met with a girl to have some wine at a terrase 1 minute from my flat. Good laugh escalation touch everything was on the road to a nice little fuck party .

Then sudently unexpected brutal mood change : "look i'm going home i don't feel it". I m thinking shit fuck fuckkk!! try to act unbothered but can't help bluepilly asking her what happened? She just say "nothing, just that i don't feel it". I already knew that any serious question was only going to close the pussy more and more. But at this point i realise ok lost for lost let's keep my balls.

So i say something like ok nevermind trying my best at looking unaffected. Then i change the subjects and try to keep being playfull and unbothered even with this ice bucket on the vibe.

We move from the bar and i while walking to her car talking, i say "hushh !!! They are following us !!!" I push her against the back of a car, kiss her wildly. she seems toloves it... After 5 minutes of eating each others mouth groping scrubing moaning i tell her "i happen to live 1 block from her let me show you my flat".

We went there and had a good fuck.

So yes, i guess woman might throw lunatic shit and get cold over something inocent or even nothing. It might look like it's fucked. But sometimes keeping composture, staying DGAF and cocky can pay. And if not, at least you have kept your self esteem.

ebaymasochist · 2018-08-03T07:19:34+00:00

I think you just went a little too far.. She wanted you to challenge her on that story, but not to that level. If your tone was just slightly off you sounded way too judgmental.

Materialistic bitch is too deep. You could have said "thieving whore" and got better results, because it sounds so dramatic, you just gotta use your voice the right way..

Another option would be to say you were in "the industry" and get offended by "her type" but again you gotta be able to sell that shit right there on the spot to where she really starts to wonder if you were a model or something and completely forgets about you insulting her character.

That shit about "fucking a total stranger in a bathroom" is kinda weak. What more do you know about someone after three dates than one? She was trying to show you that she is down for some casual sex and that you should continue to escalate, but you took it as her trying to insult you.

The attitude towards casual spontaneous sex, taking things as insult, madonna/whore complex, judging too harshly, etc. are holding you back. You're not looking for a wife right?

Johnny_Wins · 2018-08-03T09:45:37+00:00

Dude this text wall shows: you are overinvested.

Just DGAF. Move on. Don’t make the mistake again. If she comes back, nice.

NightwingTRP · 2018-08-03T13:32:26+00:00

Yeah, you fucked up. You saw it (difficult to miss.) You could potentially have rescued it with something along the lines of "Are you one of those girls who reads too much into every little detail and over-analyses everything?" But there's no guarantees at this point. Women and their fee-fees. Never underestimate how irrational and stubborn they will be.

Mentally speaking you seem to be in the right place. You class her as just another worthless bitch. Unfortunately you made that a little too clear. (That she will never hold any value to you.) The moment she realised that she held no value in the exchange, she knew she wasn't having sex with you and the story was probably to try and make you jealous/reaffirm to herself that she's attractive/valuable.

A hard next is probably called for, but you could always soft next and see what happens. Though if she wants back in, you should make it clear that she's coming over to your place for dinner and wearing nothing but knickers and jewelry. In all honesty though I think this is a lost cause. Plenty more chicks out there, go find the next one.

SwoleyMoleyFrijoley · 2018-08-03T14:16:13+00:00

My go-to "dick" joke on a first date that puts them in a sexual mindset and is "dangerous" in their mind is

"Do you know how I know I'm getting laid tonight? Wait for them to say No "Because I'm stronger than you" with a look that says I want to eat her alive. It scrambles their brain.

Bear-With-Bit · 2018-08-03T21:40:29+00:00

Always be willing to admit a mistake --just once-- but also be willing show the door.

fitnesspm · 2018-08-03T22:35:29+00:00

You did nothing wrong bro. Hoes are sensitive where she clearly has issues cause she couldn't let it go! Hoes get upset about nothing all the time.

A normal person would let it slide where if someone is still rude over a period of time it's where a normal person would walk away.

Show confidence and lead. Cocky should be limited to a couple times on a first date to get her juices flowing. Remember she is on the date cause she likes you, just need to close now.

simplisticallysimple · 2018-08-04T05:33:58+00:00

This is a silly model I never understand. Why not just ask the girl over? You force her to reveal her cards right away. I exclusively ask girls to come over and don't do "dates," and I believe many intermediate/advanced guys here do the same. Girls on dating apps are DTF. Why bother with the foreplay?

ShotgunTRP · 2018-08-04T19:46:40+00:00

Too literal with your retorts getting sucked into her frame

Don’t phrase things as questions

SoulOf1Lion · 2018-08-04T20:55:09+00:00

well you were just stating a fact by calling her a bitch, so dont even feel bad about it

Flintblood · 2018-08-06T03:05:21+00:00

I find I get better results smugly grinning and slyly letting on that I am "on to her" then just coming out with a neg right out of the gate, or insult.

oytrp · 2018-08-06T19:07:17+00:00

Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

She said she was upset by being called a bitch - BUT she let you continue to escalate

She said she wasn't going home with you... BUT if you navigated this basic ASD she would have wound up in your bedroom.

Field_Of_View · 2018-08-06T19:32:30+00:00

First I tried holding frame, not backing down and saying something like "are you one of those sensitive girls that cannot take an insult as a joke?"

That's not holding frame. You were joking, then she made it serious, then you responded seriously. That's her frame you immediately adopted. Holding frame would have meant ignoring her seriousness and laughing it off, telling her to relax, it's just a joke etc.

This might seem like a nitpick but I think it's important that you realize when exactly you broke frame.

Random guess: Your tone with the bitch comment might have already been not-joking-enough. Maybe you were already worried about a bad reaction before it even happened and your voice got tense. That could make a big difference because it then sounds like you're only half-joking, like, "haha I'm calling you out but you can't get mad at me". That seems to be how she took it any way.

ebaymasochist · 2018-08-06T19:37:44+00:00

I'm surprised that no one here has pointed out the biggest lesson of all: When a girl talks about having model friends, who gives a fuck if she uses them for free shit?

You insulted the magic plate who could have opened you up to a whole new world of models. Casually date her and build an entire social circle that can make you for life..

If this situation comes up again for anyone here, just be cool as fuck. This is not the time to cast petty judgement on the girl. If she said she were an agent for models, would your first instinct be "materialistic bitch"... God I fucking hope not.

Sometimes life sets you up for amazing things and anger/jealousy flushes it down the toilet

DadOnDabs · 2018-08-07T01:15:43+00:00

It's all about tone. You shouldn't have backed down though and you're response could have been better.

"Did you just call me a bitch?"

"Yes"

Then pull her in to make out.

I've called girls bitch, cunt, hoe, on a first date and gotten away with it. I just make sure the context is right and that I say it in a clearly joking way (almost like a gay dude saying "you're such a bitch") but then following up by making out with her or escalating in some fashion.

fuibbles · 2018-08-09T17:39:25+00:00

She probably would've gone home with you if you payed the bill.

BornShook · 2018-08-10T05:02:26+00:00

You should've apologized. I know everyone here would say to never apologize but thats bullshit. This is a situation apoligizing would've been the best move. But don't do it like a lil bitch. Say something along the lines of "alright chill, Im sorry."

magx01 · 2018-08-11T06:50:09+00:00

I'm not saying it was the right move but really, you didn't even call her a bitch. "Sounds like" is not saying she is.

Splitting hairs at this point though I guess. Side effect of being half auty

chazthundergut · 2018-08-11T16:16:21+00:00

Sounds like you've outgrown TRP for a bit.

Dont lose your cocky swagger, but definitely tone it down a notch.

CallTheCrows · 2018-08-15T23:46:01+00:00

MY thoughts. If I cant jokingly call a girl a materialistic bitch on the first date shes not right for me anyway. By the sounds of it she actually was a materialistic bitch and it hit close to home, using someone for handbags lmao get lost. Probably wasn't the bitch part that got her, but more the materialistic.

What you could have done different is not act like yourself to try to be what she wants on the first date. By the sounds of it you were more than she could handle anyway. Also looks like you know what you're doin and soon you'll come to realize (if you dont already) no matter how perfect you think your game is that night/day, the odd girl will avoid your sheets. So many different personality types its hard for one guy to be everything every girl ever wants.

javiercer20 · 2018-09-07T23:13:04+00:00

You guys over complicate things here. The fellow here fucked up really bad with this girl, he called her a bitch and to make things worst, when she brought the “casual sex with a guy I just meet” idea and this guy talked about some skydiving thing... I mean

Don’t focus on changing her mood for you to fuck her once you offended her, just be aware of what you doing. You gotta keep it real and be natural at all times, don’t overcompensate attitudes. TRP is not a cocky attitude or an alpha arrogant guide, it’s all about trusting yourself, being honest and comfortable with who you are, some times situations will push to be more aggressive/radical/playful/relaxed etc etc that’s the real DGAF mindset.

killabeesindafront · 2018-08-03T02:08:09+00:00

Fuck these guys. Say whatever you fucking want. Don't relent and say you should have said something else.

Bunch of white knights beta losers here

LazarosVas · 2018-08-03T03:42:29+00:00

That whore didn't deserve your D brother.

The_Cat_17 · 2018-08-03T05:31:10+00:00

What is that high quality dating site?

JamesSkepp · 2018-08-03T07:34:39+00:00

Oh and a general comment for the people who responded in this thread: carpet bombing ban begins in 30s.

Leonidas_79 · 2018-08-06T04:21:13+00:00

I stopped reading at “I broke frame”

WestyWorld · 2018-08-03T02:48:35+00:00

I have noticed that women really pay attention to what you say on the first date. The stakes are the highest on that date and one misstep can really kill the vibe. If you’re not shooting for a one night stand, it’s better to play it on the safer side.

llDUNN · 2018-08-02T23:49:26+00:00

Doesn't matter homie, on to the next one. You may not have gotten that one, but there are plenty more to be fucked in a bathroom. She obviously said that to spite you and be a bitch. She was upset you didn't pay for her, she didn't pay for you though lmao. It's a hit or miss on the "bitch" slur. It's very situational, and no doubt you would have railed her. You did everything well, and towards the end she played hard to get by saying she's not going home with you. I still believe you could have coerced her into it. Because of you note, she said "that's it?" When you told her you were dipping out. There was definitely potential to bang her.

Lol you should have told her you were making ice cream in your bathroom lmfao. It reminds me of a girl who was very good looking I fucked up with. I fucked up at the last minute. Her date ghosted her and she drove to my city like 30 minutes. We walked and talked together and I walked her to her car and asked if she's driving back to Middleburg(knowing she had been drinking). Well, I was drunk and she said yes she was. I got a bit offended because I expected her to want to tag along with me. So I abruptly said goodbye and walked the fuck away haha. I did that because I wasn't going to beg her. I could have asked her to come home with me knowing she was drunk. But I just didnt care and left because I'm not going to ask if she's not. Or play into her game for me to ask. I regret it to this day because had I, i would have screwed her together like IKEA furniture. She was a babe.

av7712 · 2018-08-03T03:51:04+00:00

Bro you did it all wrong, I typically insult them for a good 3 min the second the date starts, and then when they get offended, I double down and call her a fat slut HAHAHAH

lol

benchwhore · 2018-08-03T02:09:38+00:00

You could have apologized. "I said something stupid and I'll own up to the consequences. " is the best you could do IMO.

Title	First date failure, killed the vibe by jokingly insulting her
Author	tayowsp
Upvotes	121
Comments	188
Date	August 2, 2018 10:03 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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