Paid coaches or bootcamps worth it?

Viktor2500 · 2025-05-23T13:33:13+00:00

Bro I think you're wasting money in a search for an easy way out. You can spend millions on coaches and boot camps but you won't learn to play the piano without playing it. Spend the money on improving your lifestyle as a whole - gym, proper nutrition, hygiene etc. - and I swear you will have better returns.

squidguy_mc · 2025-05-23T14:07:42+00:00

no, almost all coachings are a waste of money

great_account · 2025-05-23T14:20:39+00:00

Put that money towards a gym membership and new clothes.

epimpstyle · 2025-05-23T14:55:58+00:00

You said "the advice so far I got encouraged me to game", but you have no idea what this really means. I think you don't know how many guys struggle with this first step. Most of the guys I talk to say they know what to say and how to have a good conversation, but they don't have the courage to approach a girl for various reasons. Sometimes, they can't even say why they can't approach, but they just can't

what works for him doesn't work for me.

Ask him how many women he's approached, and then compare those numbers with your own approach count. When you have the same number as him, you'll see that what works for him will also work for you.

Curious about your questions? You can ask them in this sub, and you'll get answers. All you need to do is filter out the ones that don't fit your personality and style. It's as simple as that.

appmanga · 2025-05-23T13:13:08+00:00

It kills the vibe knowing that I already paid thousands of USD to him in mostly phone call consultation.

Thousands?!?!

What are your goals?

Rhino3750ss · 2025-05-23T14:07:16+00:00

Never pay money for seduction help. Everything they teach you will make you care even more about the outcomes and make you more susectible to entering into "try hard" energy. Just knowing you paid money for results will make you more outcome dependent because you made getting laid a priority.

The biggest issue is that what works for other men will not work for you because seduction requires congruence, you can't be anyone except yourself.

Seduction is all about what not to do. All you have to do is practice removing turnoffs from your appearance, speech, and demeanor until those things are no longer part of your personality. A turnoff is anything that signals urgency or outcome dependence or non selection. Have a higher priority than pussy and many of these things address themselves automatically.

Anonymous-Man-2024 · 2025-05-24T06:14:13+00:00

I would sooner spend that money on a hypnotist to rewrite your scripts.

Having a really positive self image can do a lot more than any course or dating coach.

BurnItDownSR · 2025-05-23T13:51:36+00:00

Paid coaches or bootcamps worth it?

It depends on the coach.

There are coaches who suck but there are also coaches that are great. Just like everything else in life.

Also, there are coaches for every financial level.

If you have a hard time affording the current one you're talking to now, then you're just going for someone who markets to a higher tax bracket.

Look for others who market to lower income demographics. They're out there.

Otherwise, just try to get by on this coaches' free stuff like giveways or their community.

But yeah, what's cheap for someone else isn't necessarily cheap for you. Brokies on here like to complain about the "expensive" coaches but the reality is, those coaches aren't even looking for guys like that.

Leading-Ad-4085 · 2025-05-23T13:22:24+00:00

Reach out . I know a coach that would teach you for free. And I can vouch for him he changed my life completely. Too many scammers out there .

norwegiandoggo · 2025-05-23T13:54:01+00:00

Really depends. That coach was clearly not worth it to you. Might be worth it for someone else.

It's the same with therapy. Sometimes therapy helps and sometimes it doesn't. Having good chemistry with the therapist is quite important for good outcomes. That's why you have to look for a good Client-Coach fit.

You should not spend a lot up front. Always pay a low amount for a test session to see if you think it's valuable

jackthehat6 · 2025-05-23T14:09:34+00:00

it's all out there for free.

But it's all of very very limited value. Even the 'best' have a very high rejection rate. Everyone knows all the PUA stuff nowadays. So easy to download all the pdf's and torrent all the progams and test their lines etc. We've all tested it this point I imagine. it 'works' when she's into you, and doens't work when she's not

donaldcargill · 2025-05-23T14:50:56+00:00

This guy is only after your money so fire him, if you do get a coach be very careful many so called coaches in this area are scammers. What works for me since I'm introverted is I volunteer I found it instantly makes me an insider at the event and your introduced to the team plus you have a group to talk to. So it helps you get in a social mood, give it a try.

Mr_Dixon1991 · 2025-05-23T15:33:02+00:00

Depends... I dropped money on a local dating coach, and it turned out to be a total waste. Definitely talk to them beforehand.

ShruteFarms4L · 2025-05-23T17:14:16+00:00

Nabbzi · 2025-05-23T19:11:27+00:00

Hiring coaches is like reading a self help book. Not effective.

Ebomb31 · 2025-05-23T20:15:56+00:00

Coaches, bootcamps, and workshops are useful if you're regularly in the field practicing your craft.

If you're afraid or hung up or don't have the life circumstances to get out there into the field, it's an expensive pacifier and nothing else.

You gotta have skin in the game and a practical path forward for it to matter. If you're on the path already they can help you dial it in, otherwise they're pretty useless.

This is true across the board in nearly any discipline.

ThatDarnSmell · 2025-05-23T20:51:29+00:00

sole21000 · 2025-05-23T21:46:29+00:00

Probably depends on the coach, honestly a good test would be to follow them around for an hour or two and see their results.

ScentientReclaim · 2025-05-24T00:34:22+00:00

there is a phrase for shit like this

Pay to Lose

MichaelScofield68 · 2025-05-24T00:53:42+00:00

It blows my mind you even complain about paying someone for giving you the answers you want.

When you go to work, do you work for free? Would you like it if your boss asked you to work overtime for free?

Give value, receive value. Use this advice when meeting women too and maybe you will not need to pay a coach.

That being said, it's possible the coach you're in contact with sucks. Try another. Look for people who are getting the results you want to have.

It's also possible that your current mindset makes you "un-coachable" because you refuse to do what the coach says. And finding a new coach won't help that.

Coaching in itself does work though, provided it's the right time and the right people are involved.

andItsGone-Poof · 2025-05-24T04:51:30+00:00

I don't know which one is the most disappointing, by spending $$$

- Buy expensive Apex lore.

- Buy master/predator accounts.

- Hire coaches.

FriendlyWrenChilling · 2025-05-23T14:17:01+00:00

I think coaching is worth it, not because I am biased but because I use coaches for everything. From entreprenuership, to fitness, life coaching and therapy.

The best coaches go for an hourly rate, and will have a long term mindset with you. He might be your coach for the next few years, so naturally you will cycle through a few before you find one that is right for you. I changed 6 therapists before finding the one I liked for example.

The best coaches charge a hourly rate. This way your interests allign better. You certainly wont pay a financial advisor who "advises" you if he gets a commission from his "advice." You find an advisor who is paid hourly. The only way to keep your business is to give you good results and progress. You can avoid hundreds of scams just by looking at their business structure.

The main contribution of coaches is that you save time. Which is the only irreplaceable asset you have. I'll gladly pay anything to save my time. Sure I can go at it myself, I'm a smart guy and I can figure it out. But I rather enjoy life faster by pulling the future in.

becomesharp · 2025-05-23T17:31:44+00:00

It's only worth it if they're good. I took boot camps with multiple coaches when I was a student and some were fantastic and some sucked. Just like therapy or anything else.

Substantial-Bad-4508 · 2025-05-23T16:28:32+00:00

There is a plethora of free material online on how to approach women. Why not become your own coach and learn from your mistakes?

If you have become desperate enough to spend money on how to approach women with a coach, it could be that you lack self-respect. You will have a difficult time with anyone in life if you lack self-respect. If you don't believe in yourself, no one will...apart from your parents.

It's okay to hire a coach, but only if you want to raise your game to the next level because you notice that you have reached a plateau.

KoleSekor · 2025-05-23T14:45:50+00:00

If you're climbing up a mountain, would you want to climb it with a sherpa who has climbed it successfully dozens of times? Or just read and map and do it in your own?

Both options can work, but the guidance and support of the sherpa can save you a lot of trial and error, time, and pain.

Title	Paid coaches or bootcamps worth it?
Author	sumimigaquatchi
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Date	May 23, 2025 1:05 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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